Even Finnish made, not just designed. Now you have to make a visit, the factory is on a beautiful lake front. Of course as a Finn I have had Genelecs at home for at least 15 years. Oh yeah and don't forget the chocolate. Fazer beats any Swiss or Belgian chocolate.
@@TheDrunkenScoundrel Finnish language being from a completely different language family (Fenno-Ugric) than other Nordic (Germanic) is actually full of vowels. In some dialects you can form meaningful sentences with just vowels. The word Genelec however is not a Finnish word. We don't have native Finnish words starting with G and C is a foreign letter to us. If it was written in a Finnish way, it would be Kenelekki. No, I'm not kidding, we dont have words ending with k either, so the only obvious ending is kki.
Game changer, guys! I live in an apartment and have valve amps and even though they have master volumes, turning down the master is ok, but it’s just not the same as letting them off the leash a bit. Running my AC15 into a Captor X and a monitor, and I had the Top Boost cranked and the master up high and got great tone and could talk over it. Incredible.
One thing that's brilliant about this video - apart from the sheer entertainment value, is how The Captain's playing has been improving over the years. It is very noticeable. Maybe he should do one on how he practices :)
He has improved dramatically. I used to think I was way better than him, but he holds his own with Pete and rob now. He clearly practices and loves music.
I bought a Captor years ago, honestly the best purchase i've ever made. The fact i can crank my Night Train 50 up to its sweet spot and still speak to anyone who enters the room is immense, and it changed how I record. I recommend one to everyone who plays guitar and has a big stack they want to play at home without turning the volume down to 1!
I got both the Captor and the X, the latter being one of the best pieces of gear I have ever bought. I run my amps cranked through it, even more than I would through cabs or built in speakers. The room mic’s don’t do justice here of course. 70 dB is ridiculously quiet. I paired my X with some bigger monitors that work well from super quiet to instant feedback volume. Below certain volumes your tone won’t be inspiring anyway so if I really need to go so low I rather use headphones. Closer to 80-85 dB is better and still much quieter than the 110+ of a cranked 50W Marshall. In addition, since I started messing around with the X I discovered how important cabs are to the overall tone. It’s something that I as an amateur had overlooked. Really great stuff and I am so happy I bought the X
I bought a Captor Torpedo from Andertons just before Christmas, and have been using it on the -20db into my cab but have been wondering about how to use the other functions, so thanks for doing this episode guys - will be getting myself a powered speaker too!
First off, I will be turning Pete's sip of tea at 1:51 into a GIF for future use when conveying sarcasm, so thank you for that Pete. Secondly, I was looking for better information about the Captor X as I'm delving more into trying to push my amp. Seeing as how my neighbourhood was actually laid out by an airline company and my next door neighbour has passively complained about the loudness of my guitar playing, I wanted to see if it could be a solution.
If you solely want attenuation, this is not the solution. Get a toneking Ironman attenuator. If you wanna run through studio monitors or record, this will be perfect 👌🏻
Closest thing to the Bang & Olfusen "all integrated" thing you guys mention at 22:43 are the Revv D20/G20 heads, which are designed to be pedal platform 20-ish watt tube amps with Torpedo Captor boxes built into them.
I bought the captor X when it came out, pre ordered - this was actually right around lockdown time, I remember since I ordered it in hopes of getting it for a silent stage gig I had coming up (it was postponed obviously)… at any rate, it came during the summer of 2020 and Ive used it every day since. It was a lockdown savor, allowing me to record and play while stuck at home and has since become an indispensable recording and live tool. Really incredible piece of equipment for the money. Highly recommend from a recording/touring player
Don't get confused by the attenuation ability. I've been using the Captor (not X) for a long time and in conjuction with my Plexi (volume on 6-7) the -20db seem totally not realistic! It's still pretty pretty loud, way above bedroom level! So the attenuation part of the captor isn't great really. BUT I do almost all of my recordings with the Captor. Works brilliantly. A very organinc and vivid signal that you get from the unit and that you can work with in your DAW. The Wall of Sound Software is cool, but nowadays I'm only using really good IRs. Honestly, the whole DynIR thing and promises by Torpedo are exciting in the beginngn, but once you have used for example a great York Audio IR, you'll never return to Wall of Sound. Mixed feeling here overall, still I don't wanna miss the Captor for recording purposes.
Thank you for doing this video. I have all these things besides the powered monitors and cables to go from the captor X to them and I’ve been wanting to learn how to do this so much so I can start playing with it and messing around. This video is perfect thank you a million times over. Also sent an email to the team with some questions about powered monitors and cables to buy. This is the best and so are you guys.
So glad I watched this. This is exactly what I need. I have an orange head. Paid all that money for it. And unless the neighbours go out it sounds crap at low volume.
i've gotta say, after playing through standard cabs for my entire guitar playing years from 13 to 38, when i got a gt1000 core i plugged it into my monitors as i didnt want to run it through my fx loop. i must say at first it was a different sound that was very noticable. but honestly now after playing it through monitors for about a month now, i really like the different sound. super convenient too
i use a 50 watt plexi, captor x, studio headphones… no one but me hears anything… technology is awesome when it works. been wanting genelecs for a long time great video guys
This is one of the best opening jams of all time. Edit: y'all get so in to it at 70db. The strings slapping over top are such a vibe. Hard to describe but it shows the value of a room mic.
The captor X is amazing. I have been using it with my synergy head to play at home, and the flexibility of changing preamp modules, and being able to control output volume makes my home playing experience so much more enjoyable than when I was using practice amps.
I've got a 100w Laney, Orange OR 50, Victory V40D, Mesa Boogie Dual Rec Tremoverb and a 20W Jet City. I live in an attached house, Captor X was the best piece of gear I ever purchased.
I’m running my JCm2555x into a two notes torpedo live, in krk rokit monitors, also torpedo remote s/w allows you to position 2 mics in the virtual studio. And when you are playing live but can’t take a 4 x 12 cab to the venue you can go straight to the PA and use in ears. This has been my set up since 2017 not changing it until it goes bang. Playing through a valve amp is not about feel it’s learning how to play the amp digital is sterile. Plu the torpedo live has a led VU meter
I’m pairing my captor with a Strymon Iridium as an IR loader and headphone amp. My ‘65 Vox AC30 > Captor > Iridium (w amp emulation disabled, only using cab section) > headphones. Works like a charm!
i run my captor x into a mixer and then an audio interface which is then going into an ipad. I monitor the sound out of a pair of yamaha studio monitors, its a perfect bedroom setup!
Looks like an interesting solution. I'm curious what will happen if you do a comparison - real amp + attenuator + IR loader against a digital modeller that supports IR, with the same IR file loaded on both. That would completely expose any difference between the amp sim and the real amp.
My home rig is 15 year old vox VT 30 modified with a Jenson speaker on the vox AC 30 setting, I have cheap silver horse klon in-between the amp and my Harley Benton vintage series custom telecaster. I love it I don't think I could get a better sound in my small flat with paper thin walls. Even a five watt tube amp is way too loud for my gaff. I had the landlord round a few years ago with sound recording equipment because the neighbors didn't like it when I got my fender 2x10 tube amp almost to number 2 on the volume knob, each to their own though isn't it, whatever floats your boat, I mean for me I've got to be realistic I've got no use for anything bigger than the combo I've got, it's the just the nature of home playing in a house that isn't detached.
I dunno, I'm not entirely convinced. Attenuators are great for non-master volume amps, where the only way to get any breakup was to turn the m*****f***** up. Like-wise, they're handy if you want to experiment with IR loaders whilst recording. But I highly doubt many of us would really notice the difference between attenuating a cranked power stage or simply turning the master volume down whilst we're enjoying a bit of guitar time in our lounge rooms. It is, after all, why master volume controls were invented. I think what really makes sound great is a speaker being pushed hard. It's the dB hitting your eardrums that counts. It's why the rough mix you're listening to suddenly sounds better when the engineer turns the monitors up. It's why Josh Scott insists that 'loud is more good'. I have an Orange AD30 and a Rocker 30 sitting atop a PPC112 in my apartment lounge room that I switch between. Both sound incredible at low volume (less than 1). Of course they sound better louder, but I think that's more to do with the speaker working harder rather than the valves. To continue with Lee's Ferrari analogy, it's like leaving said Ferrari in first gear with your foot flat to the floor and then being so happy that you can thrash your Ferrari around town but still only be doing 30mph.
I got the Burgera PS1 to attenuate my 100W Orange Rockerverb and 20W Friedman JJ Jr. going into a 2x12 for basement jams, and it works perfectly. I can crank those amps, and lower the volume on the attenuator, and I still get that huge thick sound of the amp and speakers that works for home use. I do think that is an important consideration, because it's impossible to fully emulate the sound of large speakers in a cab, but this is still a good options.
I have the bugera psa1 and a nice 4x12 that i use at my apartment with no complaints from the neighbors. If I close mic the cab I'm positive I could record great tones at home. The line out does leave much to be desired but it's jsut a power soak essentially
I had the captor but the volume cut was too much. The PS1 is a perfect solution for me too. Pity the line out is so crap but anyway, the attenuation is amazing.
@@marksvideochannel3592 agreed! And the line out in anything without an IR option won't sound great so I live with it haha much cheaper and good results
Big speakers can go quiet too and you keep the low end Put a compressor before your amp and an attenuator after your amp. You get the "air moving" effect
I had a captor, and no matter how i set my input - output level, each time i played my Gretsch I had these distortion like artefacts. A strat sounded good, but the gretsch never sounded close to it being played straight in the amp and cab. I gave up eventually. I would have loved it to work.
The CaptorX is supercool and sounds incredible, but you have to buy an 8 Ohm or 16 Ohm model. Most Marshall 4x12 Cabs (1960s) are 16 Ohms. So if you have multiple cabs at 8 and 16 Ohms, you need both CaptorX models doubling the price. The Universal Audio OX has switchable Impedance at 4-8-16 Ohms. The $1500 MSRP is steep, but you should be able to get it on sale for $1200.
I added another jack socket to the back of my Fender Bassbreaker 15 combo. That lets me use the combo's speaker but attenuated as well as all the Captor X bells and whistles.
I do enjoy my captor X But when last in a freinds micro studio I pit my Torpedo against his OX box I gotta say the OX is transparent I do like the color from my X but there is color So keep in mind that you can eq your X to a more pure tone (I used his OX as a reference) But for the price it’s a no brainer Torpedo nailed it The Captor is good but the captor X is great
My captor x is on a fed ex truck right now, can’t wait to try it out with the powered monitors as well as through a 2x12 on the low attenuation mode. Thanks for the video! dsl20hr and mt15 are the amp heads, if it can tame the mt15 and retain great tone that would be amazing, that amp is a beast.
When I was a teenager I bought a Carvin X100-B (one of the OG models) and had a Tom Scholz Power Soak to lower the volume. I loved that rig, and still have it, but there was no decent IR or speaker simulation of course. Over the years going to college and living in apartments in the 90's I had to stop using it and switched to an OG Rockman, which I also still have. I never use either of those anymore since I've spent a small fortune on various modelers over the years, from the PODxt right on through a Kemper Stage and others. It's been so long since I've played though an actual tube amp I've forgotten what it's actually like! I don't doubt what you're saying in this video in the least. If I'd had a load box with current IR tech the way things are now, I may have never gone the modeler route. Such cool stuff available now no matter which route someone wants to go!
I have the genelec 8010 and they sound amazing - I use them with my Axe Fx III…..the 8010 sound much better than other speakers I tried that were more traditional studio monitors from 5-8” speakers.
I have the THR for some years. It's a great package and sits well on the desk. But... I'm a geek and I build my own tube amp with 12AX7 and just 5 Watt. I also build a loudspeaker as a 2x12. The amp has drive and master volume, but with full drive and a low master volume, it was still to loud for the kids. So I build in a headphone amp with different analog cabinet simulations, but I forget that the tube amp always need a load = cabinet. So, the next thing is to build a silent mode for it.
Direct sound? You mean a dry signal like what most recording software does right??? You can get a full fill sound by adding a bit of reverb/ bass mix but if just practicing then it’s better to be dry as its more accurate. I wouldn’t sell it personally bud because home volume with decent sound is a hard thing to pull off so things like this help out so much. I currently use my Kemper and headphones but started to use my practice Yamaha wireless THR-II for bedroom volume as i have elderly neighbours.
@@Ottophil 😂 i wish i could bud. Last time i tried using a amp and cabinet i got a few hints from a few people on my road I was too loud. “I didn’t know you played the guitar, didn’t recognise the song” & “another hobby you got? Thought you’d be out on the bike on Sundays”… yeah i think i was playing a bit too loud but our walls are like paper.
I run my wet/dry rig through two Captors into two Genelecs at home, sounds great. All the front end dynamics of my favourite valve amps at a reasonable volume. 😊😆
It's interesting that you guys got the captor x to throw the red light, my JVM 410 at 3 o'clock master and cranked preamp (with a loop boost) didn't trip it.
Gents, thanks for this vid. It would be interesting to compare this rig setup with an amp modeler (Helix etc.) modeling the same rig through the same speakers.
Using the DI integrated in the Hugues & Kettner GM40 connected to monitors through an old yamaha 01x, it’s perfect for a home studio usage while having the feel of tube amps. No need for spending extra money unless I buy several amps. And one can play with tones using IRs 🎉
Running a Captor 8 between my Victory Sheriff and a 1x12 cab in my living room. Definitely don’t love the 20dB pad but it’s not terrible. I wonder if I should try running the dual output of the amp to both the captor and my cab. Still could route the line out to a studio monitor or maybe a FRFR. Should be said, this is most useful for recording to DAW. I didn’t need the X because you get Wall of Sound plug-in and a couple of IRs for free.
A missed opportunity to explain, Gain Staging, for your viewers.. Oh and thanks for explaining what those LED numbers in the corner actually do! Was driving me crazy trying to figure it out. Duh :) Long time viewer, love your channel. Too bad i'm in the U.S.A. Cheers!
Sorry to point this but; and forgive me if i'm wrong, but saw a video where you can connect your FX send into your audio interface and mute your guitar cab by plugin in a guitar cable or just the plug into the FX return? (not really sure where to...but you can check on youtube). Then you can use your favorite IRs from your PC. Please always be careful or you can damage your amp, your audio interface or worse. Please note you would only send Preamp Tone as no Power Amp is involved in this connection like using a Load Box like Torpedo's.
I've thought about getting one of these, but instead got one of the JHS Little Black Boxes and put that in my loop of my 120W 5150 head into a 4x12. Crack it and at bedroom levels. But anymore I mostly run my laptop into an audio interface (Focusrite) and powered speakers (JBL),with the Neural DSP Plugins. For $100 they sound amazing, have effects and stereo. Just another option if you play at home. Mesa's, SLO, 5150, etc. I'm at my desk anyway so makes things easy and quick. Save as many presets as you want and use a Behringer FCB1010 (or other midi pedal) and scroll and turn effects on/off.
It was about time you made this video. We now need digital John to come and show what the best setup for a digital modeller would be. Which studio monitors or FRFR, with an audio interface or I dont know what
Love my captor. I do find you have to tweak the amp eq to get it to match the unattenuated sound, but that's nothing. Makes the amp feel so sweet to play.
Im surprised you guys havent taken a look at the Fryette Power Station PS-2 and PS-100! I think you'll be impressed! Ive been using two, live and home, through a 1959HW and a JTM45 (both acquired through Andertons I may add ;)) and Its ridiculous how transparent it is with not only the sound, but the feel. They don't have a cab sim built in them but you can run out of your cab at whisper volumes., or just use a cab sim pedal/software on computer. Also has an FX loop as its a re-amping box, sort of like the TAE but id argue sounds better even thought less techy. Would be interesting to see//hear what you think. :)
Interesting video for me . I already have a BOSS TAE and a Hiwatt SA20 w/ 212 and have been enjoying the setup. I also have some Ruark active speakers on my computer. Gonna have to experiment running thru the Ruark now!
If you want amazing tone at bedroom friendly volume, try the Laney Lionheart L5t. 5 watts of exquisite, British made tone in a cab that’s big enough to let things breathe. I’m amazed Andertons have never featured it as they stock it
You simplay can't compare the two - we're playing in this video with amazing tone at way lower volume that a 5w 1x12 valve combo can achieve & still sound good
I bought a captor 4 hoping the -20 db out would be a suitable practice volume using a 1964 bandmaster. It wasn't, but that might be because my drummer mics his kit, and has 2 18" subs behind him and a full range monitor.
Those little devices make it possible for us all to enjoy what the neighbours might not really 😁 it’s great those exist and it’s an awesome video as always. What’s the blue Telecaster Les Paul on the right there? 😋
Instead of attenuators, is it possible to use an industrial rheostat instead? A rheostat is just a large variable resistor so basically it should be like adding a huge volume pot to the amp...
I use an Orange Rocker 15 Terror at home on the 1w or 0.5w setting into a Barefaced 1x12. Is the Captor going to sound any better than the built in attenuator on the Orange. Can you go head > Captor > speaker cab? I do also have Genelec 8030's that i use with synths or a Strymon Iridium on my pedalboard.
Alright, this is going to be a long one. Firstly, yes. Amphead-Captor->Speaker cab is no problem. Now to the attenuation part. It depends on your usecase and the captor you want to get. The attenuation of Oranges sits in the phase inverter stage with the output tubes and output transformer being the last thing before the speaker cable. Now while that can lead to a tiny bit of headroom loss (my Orange Dark Terror sounds a bit more compressed when attenuated) this can have positive and negative effects on the usecase. Amp->Captor-Speaker cab scenario: you won't lose that tiny (and i mean really miniscule) bit of headroom, since the volume reduction happens after the output section. So it could be a fraction better. The cheaper captor 8/16 should do fine, but i'll go deeper as to why. However in the Amp->Captor->Genelec scenario "problems" can occur. The cheaper captors 8 and 16 work with resistive loads. That means they are a bunch of resistors that take the load of the amp and convert it to heat, followed by a bunch of circuitry that simulates a speaker's EQ curve. Now, speakers act differently than resistive loads. That's why the more expensive stuff like Captor X or Suhr Reactive load work with reactive loads. These basically mimic the impedance curve of a speaker, which kinda feels more amp + cabinet like. Also they use software with IRs or digital speaker simulation compared to the circuitry speaker sim, which is usually a big improvement on the sound, when going direct into DAWs, mixers or monitor speakers like your Genelecs. The Captor 8/16 works well and i'd have no problem playing a gig with it and nobody knowing, but if you want to go the extra mile, I'd take a look at the captor x since you can test a bunch of different speakers simulations and IRs, which gives more flexibility, you can EQ stuff, add reverb to amps that don't have one, double track etc. It's a great tool. More expansive, but also more expensive. Hope that helps.
Sorry Genelec - I have no idea why I thought you were Swiss!! Finland is so full of talented musical people - love your speakers! Lee
In fairness, the name DOES sound Swiss. Not enough consonants to be assumed Nordic.
Even Finnish made, not just designed. Now you have to make a visit, the factory is on a beautiful lake front. Of course as a Finn I have had Genelecs at home for at least 15 years. Oh yeah and don't forget the chocolate. Fazer beats any Swiss or Belgian chocolate.
@@TheDrunkenScoundrel Finnish language being from a completely different language family (Fenno-Ugric) than other Nordic (Germanic) is actually full of vowels. In some dialects you can form meaningful sentences with just vowels. The word Genelec however is not a Finnish word. We don't have native Finnish words starting with G and C is a foreign letter to us. If it was written in a Finnish way, it would be Kenelekki. No, I'm not kidding, we dont have words ending with k either, so the only obvious ending is kki.
Did the Captor come with a PSU? Folk are gonna buy that not realising the Captor ain't gonna work out of the box?
In fairness, it's not as if you own a big shop.
Brilliant Andertons! Please don't ever delete this video! Us home guitarists want great amp tones at neighbour friendly volumes
@Ralph Reilly …he said “great amp tones”….hahaha
Bedroom guitarist with double marshall stacks ...superb 😂
@@jockster5525yes, because we can 😊
Game changer, guys! I live in an apartment and have valve amps and even though they have master volumes, turning down the master is ok, but it’s just not the same as letting them off the leash a bit. Running my AC15 into a Captor X and a monitor, and I had the Top Boost cranked and the master up high and got great tone and could talk over it. Incredible.
One thing that's brilliant about this video - apart from the sheer entertainment value, is how The Captain's playing has been improving over the years. It is very noticeable. Maybe he should do one on how he practices :)
I thought the same. The jam at the end sees Lee coming up with some real tasty phrasing. Best I've ever seen him play. Great video guys.
He has improved dramatically. I used to think I was way better than him, but he holds his own with Pete and rob now. He clearly practices and loves music.
I bought a Captor years ago, honestly the best purchase i've ever made. The fact i can crank my Night Train 50 up to its sweet spot and still speak to anyone who enters the room is immense, and it changed how I record. I recommend one to everyone who plays guitar and has a big stack they want to play at home without turning the volume down to 1!
I'm constantly in the 1 zone!!! 😂🥺
What do you run the signal out of? An alternate speaker or the original speaker?
I got both the Captor and the X, the latter being one of the best pieces of gear I have ever bought.
I run my amps cranked through it, even more than I would through cabs or built in speakers.
The room mic’s don’t do justice here of course. 70 dB is ridiculously quiet.
I paired my X with some bigger monitors that work well from super quiet to instant feedback volume.
Below certain volumes your tone won’t be inspiring anyway so if I really need to go so low I rather use headphones.
Closer to 80-85 dB is better and still much quieter than the 110+ of a cranked 50W Marshall.
In addition, since I started messing around with the X I discovered how important cabs are to the overall tone. It’s something that I as an amateur had overlooked.
Really great stuff and I am so happy I bought the X
I bought a Captor Torpedo from Andertons just before Christmas, and have been using it on the -20db into my cab but have been wondering about how to use the other functions, so thanks for doing this episode guys - will be getting myself a powered speaker too!
First off, I will be turning Pete's sip of tea at 1:51 into a GIF for future use when conveying sarcasm, so thank you for that Pete.
Secondly, I was looking for better information about the Captor X as I'm delving more into trying to push my amp. Seeing as how my neighbourhood was actually laid out by an airline company and my next door neighbour has passively complained about the loudness of my guitar playing, I wanted to see if it could be a solution.
If you solely want attenuation, this is not the solution. Get a toneking Ironman attenuator. If you wanna run through studio monitors or record, this will be perfect 👌🏻
Best sounding low volume option I've heard on this channel.
Closest thing to the Bang & Olfusen "all integrated" thing you guys mention at 22:43 are the Revv D20/G20 heads, which are designed to be pedal platform 20-ish watt tube amps with Torpedo Captor boxes built into them.
Just bought a Captor 8ohm two days ago! Excited for it to arrive. My neighbors are likely to enjoy it as well! ;-)
I bought the captor X when it came out, pre ordered - this was actually right around lockdown time, I remember since I ordered it in hopes of getting it for a silent stage gig I had coming up (it was postponed obviously)… at any rate, it came during the summer of 2020 and Ive used it every day since. It was a lockdown savor, allowing me to record and play while stuck at home and has since become an indispensable recording and live tool. Really incredible piece of equipment for the money. Highly recommend from a recording/touring player
Don't get confused by the attenuation ability. I've been using the Captor (not X) for a long time and in conjuction with my Plexi (volume on 6-7) the -20db seem totally not realistic! It's still pretty pretty loud, way above bedroom level! So the attenuation part of the captor isn't great really. BUT I do almost all of my recordings with the Captor. Works brilliantly. A very organinc and vivid signal that you get from the unit and that you can work with in your DAW. The Wall of Sound Software is cool, but nowadays I'm only using really good IRs. Honestly, the whole DynIR thing and promises by Torpedo are exciting in the beginngn, but once you have used for example a great York Audio IR, you'll never return to Wall of Sound. Mixed feeling here overall, still I don't wanna miss the Captor for recording purposes.
@2:50 "You don't need to compromise on your home rig if you don't have to." Brilliant.
Love these kind of more practical videos. Been using captors for years now.
My prayers have been answered! I've been searching the internet for just that explanation! Thanx sooo much
This topic is long overdue, well explained. EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!
I literally was about to do some research about this topic and Andertons came through with this vid 🙌🏼
I've been using a Captor X and Captor 8 for a long time now and love them!
Thank you for doing this video. I have all these things besides the powered monitors and cables to go from the captor X to them and I’ve been wanting to learn how to do this so much so I can start playing with it and messing around. This video is perfect thank you a million times over. Also sent an email to the team with some questions about powered monitors and cables to buy. This is the best and so are you guys.
You chaps neglected to mention two of the coolest features:
1-Smart noise gate
2-Twin tracker
Well done lads
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So glad I watched this. This is exactly what I need. I have an orange head. Paid all that money for it. And unless the neighbours go out it sounds crap at low volume.
i've gotta say, after playing through standard cabs for my entire guitar playing years from 13 to 38, when i got a gt1000 core i plugged it into my monitors as i didnt want to run it through my fx loop. i must say at first it was a different sound that was very noticable. but honestly now after playing it through monitors for about a month now, i really like the different sound. super convenient too
i use a 50 watt plexi, captor x, studio headphones… no one but me hears anything… technology is awesome when it works. been wanting genelecs for a long time great video guys
I use an L-pad rated for twice the amp's wattage. Works like a charm 😊
This is one of the best opening jams of all time.
Edit: y'all get so in to it at 70db. The strings slapping over top are such a vibe. Hard to describe but it shows the value of a room mic.
The captor X is amazing. I have been using it with my synergy head to play at home, and the flexibility of changing preamp modules, and being able to control output volume makes my home playing experience so much more enjoyable than when I was using practice amps.
I've got a 100w Laney, Orange OR 50, Victory V40D, Mesa Boogie Dual Rec Tremoverb and a 20W Jet City. I live in an attached house, Captor X was the best piece of gear I ever purchased.
I’m running my JCm2555x into a two notes torpedo live, in krk rokit monitors, also torpedo remote s/w allows you to position 2 mics in the virtual studio. And when you are playing live but can’t take a 4 x 12 cab to the venue you can go straight to the PA and use in ears. This has been my set up since 2017 not changing it until it goes bang. Playing through a valve amp is not about feel it’s learning how to play the amp digital is sterile. Plu the torpedo live has a led VU meter
I’m pairing my captor with a Strymon Iridium as an IR loader and headphone amp. My ‘65 Vox AC30 > Captor > Iridium (w amp emulation disabled, only using cab section) > headphones. Works like a charm!
Those Nike's on Pete's feet are total Scush! Love that Merlot Finish! Also thanks for the demo!
That subscriber total just keeps on going up. 👍
i run my captor x into a mixer and then an audio interface which is then going into an ipad. I monitor the sound out of a pair of yamaha studio monitors, its a perfect bedroom setup!
My living room rig is a JTM 45, a 4 by 12 and an Ironman ii (all from the big A). Super flexible on volume, sounds great and I absolutely LOVE it!
Looks like an interesting solution. I'm curious what will happen if you do a comparison - real amp + attenuator + IR loader against a digital modeller that supports IR, with the same IR file loaded on both. That would completely expose any difference between the amp sim and the real amp.
Lee that PRS rings! It sounds very resonant. That’s a sign of a great guitar to me.
My home rig is 15 year old vox VT 30 modified with a Jenson speaker on the vox AC 30 setting, I have cheap silver horse klon in-between the amp and my Harley Benton vintage series custom telecaster. I love it I don't think I could get a better sound in my small flat with paper thin walls. Even a five watt tube amp is way too loud for my gaff. I had the landlord round a few years ago with sound recording equipment because the neighbors didn't like it when I got my fender 2x10 tube amp almost to number 2 on the volume knob, each to their own though isn't it, whatever floats your boat, I mean for me I've got to be realistic I've got no use for anything bigger than the combo I've got, it's the just the nature of home playing in a house that isn't detached.
I dunno, I'm not entirely convinced. Attenuators are great for non-master volume amps, where the only way to get any breakup was to turn the m*****f***** up. Like-wise, they're handy if you want to experiment with IR loaders whilst recording. But I highly doubt many of us would really notice the difference between attenuating a cranked power stage or simply turning the master volume down whilst we're enjoying a bit of guitar time in our lounge rooms. It is, after all, why master volume controls were invented. I think what really makes sound great is a speaker being pushed hard. It's the dB hitting your eardrums that counts. It's why the rough mix you're listening to suddenly sounds better when the engineer turns the monitors up. It's why Josh Scott insists that 'loud is more good'. I have an Orange AD30 and a Rocker 30 sitting atop a PPC112 in my apartment lounge room that I switch between. Both sound incredible at low volume (less than 1). Of course they sound better louder, but I think that's more to do with the speaker working harder rather than the valves.
To continue with Lee's Ferrari analogy, it's like leaving said Ferrari in first gear with your foot flat to the floor and then being so happy that you can thrash your Ferrari around town but still only be doing 30mph.
Was literally just thinking about checking out the torpedo loadbox and this shows up, happy days!
The Captain definetly knows what's the "taste of good stuff" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I got the Burgera PS1 to attenuate my 100W Orange Rockerverb and 20W Friedman JJ Jr. going into a 2x12 for basement jams, and it works perfectly. I can crank those amps, and lower the volume on the attenuator, and I still get that huge thick sound of the amp and speakers that works for home use. I do think that is an important consideration, because it's impossible to fully emulate the sound of large speakers in a cab, but this is still a good options.
I was just wondering if I could do this with an amp head (don’t wanna buy a cab just yet)! You guys have read my mind, thanks for the awesome video
I have the bugera psa1 and a nice 4x12 that i use at my apartment with no complaints from the neighbors. If I close mic the cab I'm positive I could record great tones at home. The line out does leave much to be desired but it's jsut a power soak essentially
I had the captor but the volume cut was too much. The PS1 is a perfect solution for me too. Pity the line out is so crap but anyway, the attenuation is amazing.
@@marksvideochannel3592 agreed! And the line out in anything without an IR option won't sound great so I live with it haha much cheaper and good results
Thank you for this, I've always wondered how these worked and wanted to see a video on it
Love my ox box and my Captor X
Lee's really digging the PRS with the humbuckers,,,
Big speakers can go quiet too and you keep the low end
Put a compressor before your amp and an attenuator after your amp. You get the "air moving" effect
Honest question here, does this really sound better than a Yamaha THR at home volumes?
Considering you are using a monitor with a small speaker?
I had a captor, and no matter how i set my input - output level, each time i played my Gretsch I had these distortion like artefacts. A strat sounded good, but the gretsch never sounded close to it being played straight in the amp and cab. I gave up eventually. I would have loved it to work.
This little set up is fantastic, and something that I definitely want to get at my house in the years to come.
The CaptorX is supercool and sounds incredible, but you have to buy an 8 Ohm or 16 Ohm model. Most Marshall 4x12 Cabs (1960s) are 16 Ohms. So if you have multiple cabs at 8 and 16 Ohms, you need both CaptorX models doubling the price. The Universal Audio OX has switchable Impedance at 4-8-16 Ohms. The $1500 MSRP is steep, but you should be able to get it on sale for $1200.
Great info and great jamming, Thankyou
I want to take a trip to the UK just to visit Anderton’s!
That sound from them little bad ass speakers !! Is off the clock !!!
Thank you for this. It is exactly what I am looking for. The db meter makes it even better.
I added another jack socket to the back of my Fender Bassbreaker 15 combo.
That lets me use the combo's speaker but attenuated as well as all the Captor X bells and whistles.
I do enjoy my captor X
But when last in a freinds micro studio I pit my Torpedo against his OX box
I gotta say the OX is transparent
I do like the color from my X but there is color
So keep in mind that you can eq your X to a more pure tone
(I used his OX as a reference)
But for the price it’s a no brainer
Torpedo nailed it
The Captor is good but the captor X is great
Captor X is one of the best pieces of gear, I´ve bought in years! Btw, Genelec is a Finnish company! 💥
My captor x is on a fed ex truck right now, can’t wait to try it out with the powered monitors as well as through a 2x12 on the low attenuation mode. Thanks for the video! dsl20hr and mt15 are the amp heads, if it can tame the mt15 and retain great tone that would be amazing, that amp is a beast.
I'm running the mt15 and a dsl15h myself, definitely looking into getting something like this or the ox
When I was a teenager I bought a Carvin X100-B (one of the OG models) and had a Tom Scholz Power Soak to lower the volume. I loved that rig, and still have it, but there was no decent IR or speaker simulation of course. Over the years going to college and living in apartments in the 90's I had to stop using it and switched to an OG Rockman, which I also still have. I never use either of those anymore since I've spent a small fortune on various modelers over the years, from the PODxt right on through a Kemper Stage and others. It's been so long since I've played though an actual tube amp I've forgotten what it's actually like! I don't doubt what you're saying in this video in the least. If I'd had a load box with current IR tech the way things are now, I may have never gone the modeler route. Such cool stuff available now no matter which route someone wants to go!
I have the genelec 8010 and they sound amazing - I use them with my Axe Fx III…..the 8010 sound much better than other speakers I tried that were more traditional studio monitors from 5-8” speakers.
I have the THR for some years. It's a great package and sits well on the desk. But... I'm a geek and I build my own tube amp with 12AX7 and just 5 Watt. I also build a loudspeaker as a 2x12. The amp has drive and master volume, but with full drive and a low master volume, it was still to loud for the kids. So I build in a headphone amp with different analog cabinet simulations, but I forget that the tube amp always need a load = cabinet. So, the next thing is to build a silent mode for it.
That soldano sure sounds awesome
Lee, you are banging it out!
Great timing, i have a captor x and am about to sell it. Can’t stand the ”direct sound”. Maybe i’ll pick up a tip from this!
Hear Hear, just get a good Amp plugins for "night jams"
Direct sound? You mean a dry signal like what most recording software does right???
You can get a full fill sound by adding a bit of reverb/ bass mix but if just practicing then it’s better to be dry as its more accurate. I wouldn’t sell it personally bud because home volume with decent sound is a hard thing to pull off so things like this help out so much.
I currently use my Kemper and headphones but started to use my practice Yamaha wireless THR-II for bedroom volume as i have elderly neighbours.
@@Ealdor-Banaman I’m old school i still just crank a half stack in the basement
@@Ottophil 😂 i wish i could bud. Last time i tried using a amp and cabinet i got a few hints from a few people on my road I was too loud.
“I didn’t know you played the guitar, didn’t recognise the song” & “another hobby you got? Thought you’d be out on the bike on Sundays”… yeah i think i was playing a bit too loud but our walls are like paper.
I run my wet/dry rig through two Captors into two Genelecs at home, sounds great. All the front end dynamics of my favourite valve amps at a reasonable volume. 😊😆
"Phantom Power" is a great ban name.
It's interesting that you guys got the captor x to throw the red light, my JVM 410 at 3 o'clock master and cranked preamp (with a loop boost) didn't trip it.
Gents, thanks for this vid. It would be interesting to compare this rig setup with an amp modeler (Helix etc.) modeling the same rig through the same speakers.
I love my Captor X with my tube combo. Usually I play with headphones and it's sounds great.
I run two combos with Captors attenuating at -20dB at home as a wet/dry.
Using the DI integrated in the Hugues & Kettner GM40 connected to monitors through an old yamaha 01x, it’s perfect for a home studio usage while having the feel of tube amps. No need for spending extra money unless I buy several amps. And one can play with tones using IRs 🎉
What a beautiful PRS my god
Running a Captor 8 between my Victory Sheriff and a 1x12 cab in my living room. Definitely don’t love the 20dB pad but it’s not terrible. I wonder if I should try running the dual output of the amp to both the captor and my cab. Still could route the line out to a studio monitor or maybe a FRFR. Should be said, this is most useful for recording to DAW. I didn’t need the X because you get Wall of Sound plug-in and a couple of IRs for free.
The Captor X is friggin epic.
A missed opportunity to explain, Gain Staging, for your viewers.. Oh and thanks for explaining what those LED numbers in the corner actually do! Was driving me crazy trying to figure it out. Duh :) Long time viewer, love your channel. Too bad i'm in the U.S.A. Cheers!
Sorry to point this but; and forgive me if i'm wrong, but saw a video where you can connect your FX send into your audio interface and mute your guitar cab by plugin in a guitar cable or just the plug into the FX return? (not really sure where to...but you can check on youtube). Then you can use your favorite IRs from your PC. Please always be careful or you can damage your amp, your audio interface or worse. Please note you would only send Preamp Tone as no Power Amp is involved in this connection like using a Load Box like Torpedo's.
I've thought about getting one of these, but instead got one of the JHS Little Black Boxes and put that in my loop of my 120W 5150 head into a 4x12. Crack it and at bedroom levels. But anymore I mostly run my laptop into an audio interface (Focusrite) and powered speakers (JBL),with the Neural DSP Plugins. For $100 they sound amazing, have effects and stereo. Just another option if you play at home. Mesa's, SLO, 5150, etc. I'm at my desk anyway so makes things easy and quick. Save as many presets as you want and use a Behringer FCB1010 (or other midi pedal) and scroll and turn effects on/off.
I get the same tone with the dsl1 .1watt mode, ur right the feel isnt there but great if u didnt want yo bother anyone.
It was about time you made this video. We now need digital John to come and show what the best setup for a digital modeller would be. Which studio monitors or FRFR, with an audio interface or I dont know what
Love my captor. I do find you have to tweak the amp eq to get it to match the unattenuated sound, but that's nothing. Makes the amp feel so sweet to play.
I wonder why you didn’t include rhe UA OX?
Thanks guys!! That really helped explain things in a way that finally clicked for me with this stuff. Very cool 🤟
Great content as always!
Did you know there’s a boutique attenuator creator right here in the uk? Hand designed and built in house. Would be good to see you guys review one!
Thanks so much for posting this. It is so helpful.
the room mics at the beginning made my ears go "wow"
I'd love to see these demoed with bass.
I suspect you'd need a bigger active monitor to handle the lower range frequencies.
I have a studio vintage 20. If I had one of these and cranked it would it turn the light red?
Im surprised you guys havent taken a look at the Fryette Power Station PS-2 and PS-100! I think you'll be impressed! Ive been using two, live and home, through a 1959HW and a JTM45 (both acquired through Andertons I may add ;)) and Its ridiculous how transparent it is with not only the sound, but the feel. They don't have a cab sim built in them but you can run out of your cab at whisper volumes., or just use a cab sim pedal/software on computer. Also has an FX loop as its a re-amping box, sort of like the TAE but id argue sounds better even thought less techy.
Would be interesting to see//hear what you think. :)
The best on the market.
Interesting video for me . I already have a BOSS TAE and a Hiwatt SA20 w/ 212 and have been enjoying the setup. I also have some Ruark active speakers on my computer. Gonna have to experiment running thru the Ruark now!
If you want amazing tone at bedroom friendly volume, try the Laney Lionheart L5t. 5 watts of exquisite, British made tone in a cab that’s big enough to let things breathe.
I’m amazed Andertons have never featured it as they stock it
You simplay can't compare the two - we're playing in this video with amazing tone at way lower volume that a 5w 1x12 valve combo can achieve & still sound good
@@andertons Fair point. Still reckon you should do a vid on the Laney in a 5 watt shootout. Outstanding amp for the money.
Cheers for the reply 👍🎸
Awesome vid guys
This is making me now think about trying a tube amp with a captor after being a modeller user for years and years 🤔
I bought a captor 4 hoping the -20 db out would be a suitable practice volume using a 1964 bandmaster. It wasn't, but that might be because my drummer mics his kit, and has 2 18" subs behind him and a full range monitor.
Those little devices make it possible for us all to enjoy what the neighbours might not really 😁 it’s great those exist and it’s an awesome video as always. What’s the blue Telecaster Les Paul on the right there? 😋
Great! Now we can all hear our strings rattling louder than our full blown distorted riffin’!
Instead of attenuators, is it possible to use an industrial rheostat instead? A rheostat is just a large variable resistor so basically it should be like adding a huge volume pot to the amp...
I use an Orange Rocker 15 Terror at home on the 1w or 0.5w setting into a Barefaced 1x12. Is the Captor going to sound any better than the built in attenuator on the Orange. Can you go head > Captor > speaker cab?
I do also have Genelec 8030's that i use with synths or a Strymon Iridium on my pedalboard.
Alright, this is going to be a long one.
Firstly, yes. Amphead-Captor->Speaker cab is no problem.
Now to the attenuation part. It depends on your usecase and the captor you want to get.
The attenuation of Oranges sits in the phase inverter stage with the output tubes and output transformer being the last thing before the speaker cable. Now while that can lead to a tiny bit of headroom loss (my Orange Dark Terror sounds a bit more compressed when attenuated) this can have positive and negative effects on the usecase.
Amp->Captor-Speaker cab scenario: you won't lose that tiny (and i mean really miniscule) bit of headroom, since the volume reduction happens after the output section. So it could be a fraction better. The cheaper captor 8/16 should do fine, but i'll go deeper as to why.
However in the Amp->Captor->Genelec scenario "problems" can occur. The cheaper captors 8 and 16 work with resistive loads. That means they are a bunch of resistors that take the load of the amp and convert it to heat, followed by a bunch of circuitry that simulates a speaker's EQ curve.
Now, speakers act differently than resistive loads. That's why the more expensive stuff like Captor X or Suhr Reactive load work with reactive loads. These basically mimic the impedance curve of a speaker, which kinda feels more amp + cabinet like. Also they use software with IRs or digital speaker simulation compared to the circuitry speaker sim, which is usually a big improvement on the sound, when going direct into DAWs, mixers or monitor speakers like your Genelecs.
The Captor 8/16 works well and i'd have no problem playing a gig with it and nobody knowing, but if you want to go the extra mile, I'd take a look at the captor x since you can test a bunch of different speakers simulations and IRs, which gives more flexibility, you can EQ stuff, add reverb to amps that don't have one, double track etc. It's a great tool. More expansive, but also more expensive.
Hope that helps.
_It’s hard to make a Soldano sound bad. 😆 That being said, awesome job!_