I remember when you bought those tracks and at that time after knowing the general area you'd acquired them we'd determined they had more than likely been used on a combine in the rice patties. I've seen different methods used to get better flotation, one being pieces of C channel and the other being oak planks bolted to the tracks.
I used to work with a guy who said he spent many an hour under his father's direction welding up the track pads on a Cat D-7, I believe it was. I can't imagine that much welding, rod after rod after rod.... I guess it's mighty tempting to overlook doing that kind of maintenance for many years, when replacement would be so costly.
You are a very disciplined worker!! It doesn't look too bad. Not like insulating a crawl space. That is miserable work. I like watching your show because for me it's like I am right there. Great job!!
The grousers with the chunk cut out of the middle are a relatively easy fix with copper tubing. Flatten 2 pieces of 1" tubing flat and straight in the press, then clamp one on each side of a cleaned grouser. Fill weld the notch up running the bead out to the copper which you can not weld to. With a little practice the grouser faces will not need any grinding, just the top.
Hello I've been watching your rebuild of 5J1113 from start to current. I believe I've had you as a customer in my Gunsmithing shop in Cloquet, MN. Great work!
Very enjoyable to watch you work and at the same time educate us on the particulars for the job at hand. When I was about 9 years old my dad let me steer his Caterpillar tractor on the farm. Of course I had our wonderful farm hand and tractor driver expert Mr. Frank watching over me. It had a pony motor and seemed as big as a steam locomotive from my vantage point. Funny how things stick in your memory. Keep up the good work and all these videos are great. Sam Allen
It amazes me that so many people will just cut the heads off bolts & hope they don't gouge the steel under it when they can use the washer as a buffer to protect the steel they are trying to save . Still enjoying the progress on the rebuild. I'm finally with you on not painting it & going with the natural patina. Can't wait to see you work the old girl or should I say the new old girl
Near the beginning of the video when you rolled that 1st bare chain, I was completely amazed as to how little twist there was in it. Bravo! Then I was surprised when you said that there was as much stretch as there was. (75% wear)
@theda850two When you think about where the machine was used more than the how, it makes sense though. Marshy rice patties aren't going to tear up the pads, but will wear the pins a whole lot more - I'm betting the slimy wet actually lubed the links over the rollers & idler, which explains the limited wear on the link itself.
nice job. i did all new pads on my 310F case dozer when i had it. i got some pictures ill be putting to video of some cat stuff from a local collection. you might find some of it interesting
never ever reuse the old pad to rail bolts. They will not stay tight and you will wear the holes and then the only way to keep the pad from coming loose it to weld it to the rail.
Bolts with thread long flutes and tapered seat acorn nuts. Won't loosen or freeze from rust. Chamfer keeps nuts from loosening ala lug nuts and flutes on bolts chase threads while loosening nuts. But who knew😊 Keep 'dem ole cats purring
Kinda sounds like those rails were on a wild rice combine. Was common to hear about them old steel trac combines way up in NW Minnesota where they had rice patties.
Make sure you run a 3/8 by 3" steel plate between the front motor mount plate and the bell housing to protect the fuel pump in the event that the track jumps in.
Where the track pad has worn due to being loose, can you mill the area flat, fill the holes with weld and are drill them, lot of work I know but it'll save on accelerated wear in the future
Last time I was messing with tracks and cleats was when I was a teenager working with dad on a friends johndeere crawler and on the Oliver AG-6 Dozer dad got from another friend.had to replace the left front idler clamshells,and the adjuster sleeve bolt mechanism and make a wrench for it
On the past torch operators: It would seem that one of them had the mid set of "I gotta save as much track pad as possible" while the other torchy was like "I gotta save as much of the C-channel as possible".
Definitely a job for when you have some youth on your side 🙄💪 afraid after a life of fairly heavy labour the mind is willing but the body is weak ☹️ that is quite a task ahead of you 💪💪
Interesting to compare how you're going about it out in the field so to speak and how Dirt Perfect had larger pads installed a few weeks ago for one of his machines by the shop.
Never ever expected that those tracks involve so much enegenering. By the way, the way you assessed the way they disensambled the extra c - channel might make you a good crime scene investigator. Kind regards, Christiaan
I watch this on lunch hour and wonder why, my job today is undercarriage on a D11, a little bigger, a little heavier but pretty much the exact same, and you are correct no one likes doing it It just had to be done.
Curious. Can you use the hydraulics you purchased for the finals to break the tracks. Are you going to save one pair of good links pins and bushings to offer to a track supplier to 3d scan to have forging dies created so replacement links might become available in the future. Or have them scanned yourself and the files uploaded to the antique cat owners website
Gosh.. I hated trackwork during my forces days.. as fun as Tanks are to drive as bad they are to maintain. We had to have the rubber pad inserts.. two on each tracklink.. 78 to 80 links per track depending on wearlevel and about 2 tons of weight per track... annoying days..
Nothing to do with the video. However I think your viewers will be interested in this video! Sidney Penner has a Channel. One video Driving through lake with a cat D2. kinda unbeliveable!
Please don't totally shut off your brain you need it to keep your life forces going AK breathing heart digestive cognitive And we want squatch 253 to be here for many more years to come I hope you're having an excellent day
Just a odd question but since there are no more of the tracks would it be a thing to weld them up and grind them back to new siffes I know it would take a long time but I have put 3 inch of weld between teeth on a bucket of a international loader
Can you get some mill standard bots that will work for the track pad bolts. I only ask because there are oversize shank bots available (1/64 & 1/32"). These might work to tighten up your worn holes. I know they are available in aerospace grades, but am not sure if they are readily available and affordable as steel bolts.
I think you covered it before however, with its newer tracks on Cat's it is not to hard to tell the master link from the others but on those it did not appear readily apparent. what is the give aways?
@@squatch253 sounds familiar now. On the D10s I operate, the master link has a beveled grouser to identify while operating, and the side profile is different they are two piece and zigzag pattern that bolts together
laugh at me all you want but I feel like there would be a way to machine old worn links so you can bolt consumable friction parts so all collectors can maintain their machine and use them without fear of running out of spare parts
We have a 14 international. That has a 100% undercarrage. Problem is it was installed decades ago, and where the rails set on the ground. the pins are we think rusted to the bushings. I got it running and it barely moved in first gear at wide open throttle. the frozen part is at the top now and the rails are not even touching the top rollers. Instead of the pins turning inside the bushings. They moved in the track links. Any one have a suggestion? one a different subject. Ive found that often after the pins and bushings are turned on worn tracks they get snakey and hard to keep on unless your on flat ground without rocks and debris.
i have a set of D47U tracks I was told sat in the ocean in Alaska for an unknown number of years. Previous owner says he dragged the old machine up and down the rocky shore with a D6 until the tracks were turning free. They're in remarkably good shape considering. You might try that. If the pins are definitely turning in the links then I don't know, maybe get on the bushings with a big air hammer and try to vibrate some of the rust apart between them?
@@Bret4207 We bought the dozer close to home. I got it running and walked it 7 miles down the gravel and glade rock roads to where it now setting. And the pins are turning in the links. We have a U tube video of it. We also have a 7U.
@@Bret4207 I seen on a episode of Salvage Workshop. He was at some place with a great hoard of good stuff. and there was a big track press? I was thinking possibly getting a Mag drill. Pull the pads and drill a hole thru the bushing and pin and just barely into the bushing on the far side. Then tapping and installing a grease fitting and pumping it with 90 weight. and then heating it with a torch? I know im going to have to weld the pins that are turning in the rails to the links anyhow.
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 I think he's in Illinois. The bushings are hardened, not sure what it would take to drill into one. I'd go to the Red Power forum and post in the Construction equipment section. Those guys are all IHC and may have some ideas specific to IHC tracks.
Would you like to do a d8 track i mean tracks 😂 well i have not got that far yet correctly working on the ccu i will let you know how tracks go once i get there
Awesome video that is very heavy work and sort of awkward but the backhoe made it a lot easier. Do you use a press on the pins and bushings I have never seen that done before. Keep up the great videos Toby 👍👍👍👍 it's hard work but when it yields good parts it's worth it
Now you know why most tracks are run to junk. Easier to replace than to refurb. To expensive now and availability is probably an issue as my inexperience leads me to believe.
Couldn't you or someone else, if they wanted to invest the time and effort build weld up on the rails and the PO ads that have the wear grooving then grind or mill them flat again. I know off hand it's a hell of a lot of work and effort but couldn't that be one of those rainy week type jobs when there is nothing else to be done and doesn't require a time frame to be done in. Much like building the grousers back up with weld. As for the white oak planking, that might have been a stop gap like having rubber pads on tank tracks now instead of bare steel, for extra grip and less sliding on hard surface like stone and pavement.
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by far my favorite channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work squatch!
I was just thinking, this is your job now ... I could not be happier for you. What a great job to have.
I remember when you bought those tracks and at that time after knowing the general area you'd acquired them we'd determined they had more than likely been used on a combine in the rice patties. I've seen different methods used to get better flotation, one being pieces of C channel and the other being oak planks bolted to the tracks.
I used to work with a guy who said he spent many an hour under his father's direction welding up the track pads on a Cat D-7, I believe it was. I can't imagine that much welding, rod after rod after rod.... I guess it's mighty tempting to overlook doing that kind of maintenance for many years, when replacement would be so costly.
Haha, I had to resist the urge to look away when you were cutting :-)
You are a very disciplined worker!! It doesn't look too bad. Not like insulating a crawl space. That is miserable work. I like watching your show because for me it's like I am right there. Great job!!
Thanks for another informative video.
It's good to see a product fron New Zealand being used in the USA, I'm referring to your "Gallagher's" fencing bucket used for the old track bolts.
The grousers with the chunk cut out of the middle are a relatively easy fix with copper tubing. Flatten 2 pieces of 1" tubing flat and straight in the press, then clamp one on each side of a cleaned grouser. Fill weld the notch up running the bead out to the copper which you can not weld to. With a little practice the grouser faces will not need any grinding, just the top.
Hello I've been watching your rebuild of 5J1113 from start to current. I believe I've had you as a customer in my Gunsmithing shop in Cloquet, MN. Great work!
Thank you as always
That Kubota has proved to be a valuable asset
Toby, I have a 50 ton track press if you need it, I'm 150 miles away, just saying....
At least you are having fun! 🤠
Very enjoyable to watch you work and at the same time educate us on the particulars for the job at hand. When I was about 9 years old my dad let me steer his Caterpillar tractor on the farm. Of course I had our wonderful farm hand and tractor driver expert Mr. Frank watching over me. It had a pony motor and seemed as big as a steam locomotive from my vantage point. Funny how things stick in your memory. Keep up the good work and all these videos are great.
Sam Allen
I'm sure this work is much more enjoyable than trying to race against the clock at the Ford dealership!
A ton of not fun....that was funny! Sure was interesting to learn and watch, you’re so organized.
This reminds me of the "John Henry" Johnny Cash song- yonder lies a steel driving man Lord, Lord- yonder lies a steel driving man...
Nice one Squatch.
That is Absolutely All Hard work. Though you got it done anyhow..
That was way more cool than I thought it would be!
It amazes me that so many people will just cut the heads off bolts & hope they don't gouge the steel under it when they can use the washer as a buffer to protect the steel they are trying to save . Still enjoying the progress on the rebuild. I'm finally with you on not painting it & going with the natural patina. Can't wait to see you work the old girl or should I say the new old girl
1:04 Yeah, know exactly the feeling. I end up cleaning everything. :))
Near the beginning of the video when you rolled that 1st bare chain, I was completely amazed as to how little twist there was in it. Bravo! Then I was surprised when you said that there was as much stretch as there was. (75% wear)
@theda850two When you think about where the machine was used more than the how, it makes sense though. Marshy rice patties aren't going to tear up the pads, but will wear the pins a whole lot more - I'm betting the slimy wet actually lubed the links over the rollers & idler, which explains the limited wear on the link itself.
Love the train horn in the background.
nice job. i did all new pads on my 310F case dozer when i had it. i got some pictures ill be putting to video of some cat stuff from a local collection. you might find some of it interesting
Hi down in New mexico on i40 there are 3 old cat road graders exit 284
If you made a t-shirt, I would buy it. Especially a hoody.
Damn, talk about labor intensive work!!!
Thank you, nice darn hard work... :) I can feel the want and now the effort..
Woah woah woah, you're cutting factory Caterpillar bolts?! You didn't want to un-bolt them?
@@squatch253 I bet if Caterpillar had put some anti-sieze on them, they would have come right out 🤣
never ever reuse the old pad to rail bolts. They will not stay tight and you will wear the holes and then the only way to keep the pad from coming loose it to weld it to the rail.
Bolts with thread long flutes and tapered seat acorn nuts. Won't loosen or freeze from rust. Chamfer keeps nuts from loosening ala lug nuts and flutes on bolts chase threads while loosening nuts. But who knew😊 Keep 'dem ole cats purring
Reminds me of doing fence work when I was a young teenager
Lots and lots of tedious work. I gotta hand it to you, buddy. BUT, putting those 20" swampers on that old girl will really be awesome!
Lots of hard monotonous work Squatch! But it will be all worth it in the end. Cheers
Kinda sounds like those rails were on a wild rice combine. Was common to hear about them old steel trac combines way up in NW Minnesota where they had rice patties.
13:30 All that hammering made some nice gunshots sound on that forest
Make sure you run a 3/8 by 3" steel plate between the front motor mount plate and the bell housing to protect the fuel pump in the event that the track jumps in.
I am definitely looking forward to the chain disassembly.
Really wanted to see that yard art tractor in the background.
Where the track pad has worn due to being loose, can you mill the area flat, fill the holes with weld and are drill them, lot of work I know but it'll save on accelerated wear in the future
Thanks for sharing.
Sometimes in life we all need to go back to the junk pile.
Last time I was messing with tracks and cleats was when I was a teenager working with dad on a friends johndeere crawler and on the Oliver AG-6 Dozer dad got from another friend.had to replace the left front idler clamshells,and the adjuster sleeve bolt mechanism and make a wrench for it
On the past torch operators: It would seem that one of them had the mid set of "I gotta save as much track pad as possible" while the other torchy was like "I gotta save as much of the C-channel as possible".
Definitely a job for when you have some youth on your side 🙄💪 afraid after a life of fairly heavy labour the mind is willing but the body is weak ☹️ that is quite a task ahead of you 💪💪
Great work , keep it coming 👍
Interesting to compare how you're going about it out in the field so to speak and how Dirt Perfect had larger pads installed a few weeks ago for one of his machines by the shop.
The track shop I used for new P&B left one row of bolts on - it seemed to save a lot of work…
Never ever expected that those tracks involve so much enegenering. By the way, the way you assessed the way they disensambled the extra c - channel might make you a good crime scene investigator.
Kind regards, Christiaan
I watch this on lunch hour and wonder why, my job today is undercarriage on a D11, a little bigger, a little heavier but pretty much the exact same, and you are correct no one likes doing it It just had to be done.
Good therapy.
Ancient Caterpillar ownership and stewardship is not for snowflakes. Good work. You have salvaged history.
More and more each day! The mind is a terrible thing to waste! 😆 🤣
That would make a good land drag
Damn! That is a lot of back braking work! Yikes 😳 good job though!👍
Maybe it was the same guy and he was drinking on the job! The more he drank, the less he could see, and screwed them up! 😀😃🙂🙃
Curious. Can you use the hydraulics you purchased for the finals to break the tracks.
Are you going to save one pair of good links pins and bushings to offer to a track supplier to 3d scan to have forging dies created so replacement links might become available in the future. Or have them scanned yourself and the files uploaded to the antique cat owners website
Maybe they welded the channel to the plates to stop them bending..?
Gosh.. I hated trackwork during my forces days.. as fun as Tanks are to drive as bad they are to maintain. We had to have the rubber pad inserts.. two on each tracklink.. 78 to 80 links per track depending on wearlevel and about 2 tons of weight per track... annoying days..
Good content. 👍
Patient Guy. 🙂
Could you drill the links and pads out to use 1/2 bolts. Would that help any and use lock nuts also.
hey squatch, is there any pics of these types of tracks on combines? I cant find any pics doing a quick google search
Never put off work until tomorrow, when you can forget it completely! 😀😃
Good Video
Nothing to do with the video. However I think your viewers will be interested in this video! Sidney Penner has a Channel. One video Driving through lake with a cat D2. kinda unbeliveable!
How do you move your tanks when you need the torch in the field? Do you have a way of keeping them upright or do you set them on their side?
Please don't totally shut off your brain you need it to keep your life forces going AK breathing heart digestive cognitive And we want squatch 253 to be here for many more years to come I hope you're having an excellent day
The track pads took a case of beer to cut out.
Good video good content
I'm keeping on track!
I think we need to "track" down that bad torch operator and give him a takin' to!
This stack is Peter and this stack is Paul. Now we rob Peter to pay Paul.
Just a odd question but since there are no more of the tracks would it be a thing to weld them up and grind them back to new siffes I know it would take a long time but I have put 3 inch of weld between teeth on a bucket of a international loader
Can you get some mill standard bots that will work for the track pad bolts. I only ask because there are oversize shank bots available (1/64 & 1/32"). These might work to tighten up your worn holes. I know they are available in aerospace grades, but am not sure if they are readily available and affordable as steel bolts.
mr pete has some caterpillar manuals up for auction
Well done. At the end of the video there is an implement behind the tractor in the background. What is it?
@@squatch253 Thanks no wonder it didn't compute
Torch guy maybe sober and 50% drunk just like the old beer can cat
It should walk on water with the big pads
Could you make the hole a little bigger and use a bigger bolt. I'm not saying to go up to 3/4 of an inch, just go next Size up.
Yep gotta be done ✔
If Chuck Norris was a rapper he'd wear these.
I think you covered it before however, with its newer tracks on Cat's it is not to hard to tell the master link from the others but on those it did not appear readily apparent. what is the give aways?
@@squatch253 sounds familiar now. On the D10s I operate, the master link has a beveled grouser to identify while operating, and the side profile is different they are two piece and zigzag pattern that bolts together
i'm no expert but, hose are quite the funny looking pallets
@@squatch253 they look good.
laugh at me all you want but I feel like there would be a way to machine old worn links so you can bolt consumable friction parts so all collectors can maintain their machine and use them without fear of running out of spare parts
I'll bet you there were two different guys cutting the c channels off. a good one, and a bad one...
I'm guessing it was a Father and son project cutting off the C channel. The good ones were the dad. The shitty ones were the boy. Lol.
I thought you were going to use the new track chains you found for these swamper pads? Or are they reserved for the D2 parts archives?
In your video there looks to be another tractor in your background if you’ve never shown what is that one
I really want to ask what the tractor is behind you in your closing monologue?
We have a 14 international. That has a 100% undercarrage. Problem is it was installed decades ago, and where the rails set on the ground. the pins are we think rusted to the bushings. I got it running and it barely moved in first gear at wide open throttle. the frozen part is at the top now and the rails are not even touching the top rollers. Instead of the pins turning inside the bushings. They moved in the track links. Any one have a suggestion? one a different subject. Ive found that often after the pins and bushings are turned on worn tracks they get snakey and hard to keep on unless your on flat ground without rocks and debris.
i have a set of D47U tracks I was told sat in the ocean in Alaska for an unknown number of years. Previous owner says he dragged the old machine up and down the rocky shore with a D6 until the tracks were turning free. They're in remarkably good shape considering. You might try that. If the pins are definitely turning in the links then I don't know, maybe get on the bushings with a big air hammer and try to vibrate some of the rust apart between them?
@@Bret4207 We bought the dozer close to home. I got it running and walked it 7 miles down the gravel and glade rock roads to where it now setting. And the pins are turning in the links. We have a U tube video of it. We also have a 7U.
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 Outside of the air hammer idea I think you may need to find a guy with a track press.
@@Bret4207 I seen on a episode of Salvage Workshop. He was at some place with a great hoard of good stuff. and there was a big track press? I was thinking possibly getting a Mag drill. Pull the pads and drill a hole thru the bushing and pin and just barely into the bushing on the far side. Then tapping and installing a grease fitting and pumping it with 90 weight. and then heating it with a torch? I know im going to have to weld the pins that are turning in the rails to the links anyhow.
@@thecollectoronthecorner7061 I think he's in Illinois. The bushings are hardened, not sure what it would take to drill into one. I'd go to the Red Power forum and post in the Construction equipment section. Those guys are all IHC and may have some ideas specific to IHC tracks.
Would you like to do a d8 track i mean tracks 😂 well i have not got that far yet correctly working on the ccu i will let you know how tracks go once i get there
lucky thing you didn't get a d8
Awesome video that is very heavy work and sort of awkward but the backhoe made it a lot easier. Do you use a press on the pins and bushings I have never seen that done before. Keep up the great videos Toby 👍👍👍👍 it's hard work but when it yields good parts it's worth it
@@squatch253 that is very good to hear that I am looking forward to see the track press👍👍👍👍
Just curious, what's your favorite books?
So what’s the next project?
HEY, I didn't see this on your viewing list yet.
@@squatch253 whew...
Sometimes uninteresting stuff has to be done!
Now you know why most tracks are run to junk. Easier to replace than to refurb. To expensive now and availability is probably an issue as my inexperience leads me to believe.
Couldn't you or someone else, if they wanted to invest the time and effort build weld up on the rails and the PO ads that have the wear grooving then grind or mill them flat again. I know off hand it's a hell of a lot of work and effort but couldn't that be one of those rainy week type jobs when there is nothing else to be done and doesn't require a time frame to be done in. Much like building the grousers back up with weld. As for the white oak planking, that might have been a stop gap like having rubber pads on tank tracks now instead of bare steel, for extra grip and less sliding on hard surface like stone and pavement.
Try using some WD40.. it will make your life easier. Lmaooooo