@Divkid - I really liked that we could see the entire rack. A lot of people, myself included, watch youtube videos to gain some knowledge and so often there's patch cables coming from some other device off camera but seeing which output it's coming from really helps. Thanks for this.
Hi Joel, good to hear thanks! When I making module specific demos it's never about what's going on off camera. Although I appreciate that may be interesting. Certainly when it's about patching and signal paths you do need to see it all. Glad this helped.
@@endless_arps Why is it so hard to show beginners the basics. There are many videos on cases, power and the like, but when it comes to basic patching and signal flow its bloody hopeless. I'm still searching for good guides. YT is a perfect medium for this but it seems many advanced users just can't be ass'ed to go back to basics. They just want to jam to their amazing creations. Ive spent too many hours frantically patching and getting nowhere. Almost makes you want to just packup up and sell it.
The magic word to save your wallet is "DIY". Learn how to solder, and all those awesome modules are suddenly a whole lot cheaper. Also, there's places like tindie and synthcube that sell kits for pretty decent prices. It's an excellent way to dive right in and learn a valuable skill to boot. Cheers, good luck tinkering!
Modular synthesis is a slippery slope! I only bought a mother 32 around October last year and I've already gone crazy and filled a mantis case! Are the DIY options very difficult to assemble? I'm pretty handy with a soldering Iron but I could use some practice. My wallet could take a break as well! hahaha I've inspected the boards on some of my modules and it doesn't seem like it would be too hard but I worry about frying my other gear with a mistake.
Oh yeah it's addicting alright :) The big thing with DIY is you build up a greater understanding of the electronic components, and the way they interact to form the module producing/processing sound. As far as difficulty level is concerned, the kits usually have a pretty thorough breakdown of how to assemble it. For soldering; You're good if you have a decent temperature controlled soldering iron and the basics for cleanup/fix (flux removal, copper solderwick for cleaning up previously tinned pads, decent side snips, etc..) About kits; Most if not all kits are marked what supply voltage they need, and at what input / output levels they operate. 10 volts peak to peak audio/gate/cv is almost universally standardised in eurorack 1 volt / octave systems.. Also, there's several channels here on youtube that assemble kit modules and film the whole process. Quincas Moreira comes to mind. If you're more into "raw" modules, then there's LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER. He does some crazy stuff with toys, turning them into pretty awesome modules. Then there's the synth-diy mailinglist, populated by pretty much all the greybeards making their own synths from scratch. Highly recommended, great signal/noise ratio.
Only 2:35 into the video and I already have to comment on the clarity and the easy to understand explanations and editing. Well done sir. I shall give a like before I even finish the video ;)
These are the modules you selected for starting out in modular synthesis? Why not a flux capacitor? No matter-energy converter? Where is the singularity generator? Sheesh.
TheGamerOfLegend Same. A modular would be awesome to have if they wouldn't be that expensive. But until I understand them I'm fine with automatonism, it's a great software for beginners to learn the basics of modular synthesisers.
Learning in software first is a great way to get more out of what can potentially be a highly complex system. A really good grounding in the basics and building blocks of synthesis will change the way you work with hardware, modular and software too. So good approach.
Totally agree with the software argument. It's cheaper to tinker first, and tons of free vst's to try out to find your desired sound before you open up your wallet and get some hardware. Reason being the obvious "patchable" softsynth/host of choice, but there's options out there. If you want to go oldskool tracker style, there's Buzz, but lately, I have no idea if that's still alive. For mobile producing I can highly recommend Sunvox. Solid tracker, plenty of oldskool modules for generating and processing signals, and the most moldable UI out there. If you have an android tablet, or an iPad, get that. Cheers, and good luck tinkering!
+DivKidVideo Definitely. You can learn all about VCOs, ADSRs, LFOs and be well prepared for what would otherwise look like a complete nightmare. This is the journey I'm on - just about to get my first modular, but I'm very familiar with synth architecture and sound design in general, from years of programming VSTs (and hardware) which is going to save me so much time and headaches with the patch-fest of modular.
Start with the free, open source VCV Rack Software. Really worth your time, start studying before buying, first walk, then run, in a modular fashioned way :)
What happened between the time you introduced the rack and power module, and the time the rack was full? I missed something there. I think the part where you plugged the synth mods in...
It was made on purpose to reproduce what happens in real life: you think about buying a semi-modular synth and suddenly you end up with a 6u rack full of modules...
Maybe we're interested to see how the modules are racked up and connected up to the power rail rather than the patching. Maybe you should keep your sarcastic opinions to yourself.
I'd tell beginners to get a Behringer Neutron: all kinds of patchability, paraphonic oscillators, modulate-able delay. I bought a 2nd one just because having an LFO, two envelopes, S+H, 2 attenuators, inverse, etc. would cost more than $300 in Eurorack.
I think at 3:05 you should have shown what you announced, putting the power in the case, you skipped an essential part that might have encouraged potential starters.
Analog equipment are also nonlinear, for instance. Hardware could have minor faults which makes it unique. It is hard to compute this behaviour with softsynths. There does however exist some softsynths who can achieve it fairly well without sounding too "perfect" or "cold". Running synths/samples through analog gear also warms up sounds which is something I find as a great technique.
Digital is not the opposite to modular. Modular systems are both analog an digital. Digital synths come in both modular and fixed (non-modular) architecture. The advantage of modular is that it can be freely patched, and expanded without limits, it can grow with you. You can experiment with any type of synthesis, and you can even plug in your external gear and FX into the synthesis chain. You have an unlimited palette of sounds at your finger tips, while with digital fixed-architecture synth you are constrained to what the manufacturer decided is "enough". Also, digital synths come with banks of factory presets, and it's very tempting to use them, because they are so "pretty". At the end, you lose your creativity and sound like thousands of other users of the same synth. With a modular, you HAVE to patch your own, original sound from scratch.
Interactivity and directness, for one. The knobs/inputs/outputs are right there and you know what they do by looking at them. With a VST, you have to assign a blank set of knobs to parameters and remember what each one does, as well as configure that setup, which takes time and disconnects you from the experience. Like MoritzH says, it's more like playing an instrument. Secondly, to put it simply, the sound. What you produce is related to the first point and also the actual sound quality. There's no 'sample rate' or soundcard in the process. Just pure sound, and that adds a character you just can't get with digital, at least not without messing around with analogue emulation plugins. Also, you will just make better and weirder noises because of point one and two, due to the way you can route things. The only problem is cost, really. A proper modular setup is going to run you at least £1000 for a basic kit, and after that, the sky's the limit.
Just to note: power options shown there all used 16-pin connectors, with no explanation of why there was a pic of a 10-pin one... this confused me when I started out. The 10-pin connectors don't include the pins from the original 16-pin Doepfer standard for CV and gate (hardly everyused), or the +5V rail... most modules seem to prefer to step down the +12V supply to +5V on the module itself. So using a 16-pin to 10-pin cable from the bus/flying bus to the module is very common.
Nice video, I didn't understand how we heard signal upon connecting the first cable to Out1 on the WMD without it going in anywhere. Later, when you use another (yellow) patch cable you have to find an input before we hear it. How can this be?
It's going to an output module off-screen I guess. Nitpicking perhaps, but I agree this should have been included in the skiff, so noobs can see how the sound comes out.
Just wondering - are you doing anything with the output to bring it down to line level or would it be safe to plug headphones straight into a VCA for example?
the fact is that the modules are open, you can look back and find out for yourself that electronic components used in most cases are very cheap discrete components and you wonder why a single module costs as much as a kidney! The truth is that the manufacturing companies are simply dishonest justifying the "cost of research and development and blah blah" but the truth is that an envelope is an envelope from the dawn of time and a basic oscillator is a stupid enough circuit to realize and that you can study at school. What's even sadder is that most customers who buy a modular synthesizer will eventually retry a $ 1000 minimum eurorack case and all they can pull off is a series of bleap bleap rhythms. Baaah... I like them... but the cost is unjustified
The original layout for the Intellijel module is upside down to this. With joystick at the top and jack sockets at the bottom. But people wanted it the other way round to suit there system so they made a different panel for it too. As long as both ends of the power cable in the power board/cable and on the module side and you check that the voltages line up where they should twisting a cable doesn't matter.
Heloo !! first of all, i wanted to know where you put the cable that you connected to the sine wave to get out noise, audio interface? because the cable is correct p2? I'm in the beginning and I have some doubts!
"I will use my Porsche to teach you how to drive a stick shift vehicle." "Pffft Yea, like I can afford a Porsche-- and like really, who drives with a stick shift anymore." Thank you for the very informative video! (Btw, commenters: I am learning to do this with a couple hundred bucks and a soldering iron.)
I think it's really cool to be able to do this in person but like... why? Serum can do this and so much more with a much faster workflow I can see how some people would prefer this but it's also fookin expensive
Marc Soucie - the physicality of it, and the feeling (immediacy) of controlling electricity with your hands. It's all about the feeling and the hands-on approach.
generally speaking the experience of it? you could use VCV rack and be done with it, but using irl modules is just more fun. also theyres more variety in terms of what modules you can get.
And don't forget folks - never trust the red stripe. It was implied in the video, but if you read the stories on Muffwiggler, there are times when the red stripe can be misleading. As Ben said - always check the manual!
depends on the midi controller. if it just outputs midi then you would need a special converter module to turn that midi into CV, but arturia midi controllers for example output CV out of the box, making them perfect for modular.
@@crazyb87 no, the answer is: depends on the midi controller. if it just outputs midi then you would need a special converter module to turn that midi into CV, but arturia midi controllers for example output CV out of the box, making them perfect for modular.
One relatively cheap option is to buy the modules as diy kits that you have to solder and assemble yourself (check thonk.co.uk if you're interested). If however you don't feel comfortable doing so, doepfer is known for its quality modules and fair pricing (though they usually are not as wild sounding and/or pretty looking as other manufacturers'). Also cases usually are quite expensive, but there is a tutorial in this series on how to build your own case out of cardboard (or any other material for that matter).
Thanks man for the information! I am actually interested in getting a module I can use for both arp and bass. Anything to add on this? Such as reverb/delay and sending midi from my sound interface to the module?
You can use any oscillator for any kind of sound. But what you're missing is that in modular there's a lot of utility module types that might not seem interesting, but they are a critical part of any setup. I would say a "complete" setup includes: vco, vcf, vca, adsr, lfo, multiple, mixer. Take this with a grain of salt, though, as it is merely a suggestion. I recommend checking out the muffwiggler.com forum for more great advice and information in general. On modulargrid.net you can compare modules and even plan your own rack.
but to get a little more specific, for arp and bass the cheapest starting point would probably be something like this: vco (doepfer 110-2), vcf (doepfer 106-5), midi to cv interface (mutable instruments cv pal) Then add stuff as you move along. Just don't rush it. Cheers
Hey Conrad, it's by Twisted Electron. I don't think they've released as they were working on an improved design. But I'd drop them a message and see what they say. It might be out or nearly ready as I haven't been in touch for a while.
yeah this seems superb for a relatively small hp keyboard controller. `Seems more ideal than a pressure points which is clearly a popular module. `hopefully they will be out again soon
Than in the internet! or (and) search for friends, who produce aswell Search for signal-flow. i would start there, because you have it in all these things, vst, daw or the analog staff. in the mixer too. if you understand that, you will get to the rest automaticly. and google all things, (knops or effects and how they work) the last thing, i started to learn, was the synthesis of sounds, but if you understand that, then its just logic, what things you need for these modular synthesis, or what you want in your rec, to get the sounds you want. in synthesis, start with the different ways of synthesis: subtractive synthesis (the most used) additive synthesis fm synthesis (some synths mix the different ways) and maybe you get that book in englisch or you language: Die Audio-Enzyklopädie from Andreas Friesecke (german title) or some thing like that! greetings
Max Westphal thanks my man I already started producing music but i would love to go to such school because i think that all these equipment is amazing but also really expensive and i can't afford it myself plus this year i am going to university and it would be a dream come true to study my passion but as i said no studies like these here but of course i will be still learning everyting from the internet and my own experience 🙏
stop thinking schools are going to teach you how to make the music that you really want to make. there is no replacement for just diving in and getting started. youtube is your friend for learning about this stuff.
When describing "in's and out's", why not start with the phrase, "out of (x) unit, into the input of (y) unit"? You seriously bounce around on routing terminology.... the video implies that it is for beginners.
Hi Casey, point noted I appreciate honest criticism especially when it comes with suggestions. There's lots of modular content on my channel you may find useful but for now it's more specifically at intermediate and above in terms of skill level. I do however offer tuition for this tailored to each person. Feel free to get in touch just to chat if you have questions about modular. Cheers!
Take me to Church & I'll listen like a dog... I have been asking the wrong questions, part of the learning curve I guess, I'm hoping this is the right one.. I own a Benjolin 2v, a 0 control, Erica synths Sample Drum, WMD pro output & Maths, installed in a powered rack, all hooked up & working. The question I have... are there modules or parts am I missing "meaning" I have noise makers Maths & Benjolin, I have a keyboard, 0 control, I have a method to bring in sample sources & "drum sounds" (I think I'm a little confused on this point " Sample DRUM right? ) & what I think is an amp WMD Pro Output every video I've seen , does not explain or show the leads to an amp & the powered speakers or mixer so I guess my question is three fold, 1. do I have all the necessary modules 2. more information on once the sound leaves the rack how is it amplified properly those options it is assumed in this community from the videos & other resources this is common knowledge but its not 3. basic patching to begin to explore the different sounds On Modular grid .net when I built a virtual synth & started to experiment with it it gives me this message ×This Rack does not contain any Modules that are playable in TrueGrid. I have been using the guitar pedal of my sons FX 100 by Flamma the amp contained & head phone jack & volume it to produce sounds , but I don't like the "Barney Fife" method, & my kid wants his pedal back I hope this better explains my dilemma, any advise helps, thanking anyone who answers in advance, kind of feeling like Ricky from trailer park boys , sad because I only have my grade 10, in this very cool group of people
well I would not start a eurorack modular in 2017... I built mine in 2009-2010 mostly, but now there is so many great cheap analog synths, plus you have the kord SQ1 sequencer, for the price of a small eurorack modular you have a super all analog sequencer and synth rig. Odyssey, MS20, M32, Deadbox SEM etc.. you name it! granted it is NOT the same, but for most user looking to sequence stuff and MAKE MUSIC I would pass off eurorack in 2017!
Then you've missed the whole point of what modular synthesis is. My Korg MS-20 can't do Wavetable synthesis. My Arp Odyssey can't do Granular synthesis. My Mother-32s don't have Resonators... but my Eurorack setup can do all of those things and more! And it can continually morph into whatever I want it to be just by adding or taking away one module at a time. THAT is the whole point of Modular synths; to create a specific and unique synth just for yourself! And just to be clear... I have over 12 fixed synths, including analog, digital, and hybrid synths from Korg, Roland, Clavia, Waldorf, DSI, Moog and others... but none of them can do what my Eurorack setup can do.
WaveRider you're right about some great synths around at the moment. Plenty of good choices. But Genshi Media Group hit the nail on the head. A eurorack system can be exactly what you want and morph often within one patch between what several devices would offer.
most modules arent made by big corporations that can afford to be cheap ig? also each module is its own product, which makes it more expensive to produce.
I don't get this modular madness. At least if was diy friendly so you can actually build circuits and solder and stuff. But everything is an expensive, closely guarded secret. Just buy a VST synth and you're done.
As a few have pointed out there's lots of DIY entries into modular. And I think a DIY module for nearly every function you can think of regarding synthesis too. I'd highly recommend thonk.co.uk for getting into DIY if that appeals.
Tristan Pantano, because sometimes its nice to just get on with making music instead of noodling about in max. I like reaktor because it meets you half way but to be honest, if I can load a vst with the osc / filter / envelope configuration I want for the specific type of sound I'm making, then I'll just do that. With the modulation matrix on a lot of the these modern vsts you can patch most useful forms of modulation without even going as far as reaktor, so unless you're making some experimental ambient type affair most of the time if you want to actually make music as opposed to noodle about with synths it's best to just draw for a professionally made vst. I still like to dedicate a day every so often to some noodling to come up with a bit of unique sound design to throw into projects but if you're a one man operation trying to actually get some music finished, programming your own vsts and eurorack modular probably aren't the most sensible avenues to explore.
I can assure you most people who get into modular have bought/used digital synths before. One of the main reasons modular synths (and physical synths in general) look so tempting to people nowadays is the fact that you get to make music by doing something other than stare at a screen for six hours.
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@Divkid - I really liked that we could see the entire rack. A lot of people, myself included, watch youtube videos to gain some knowledge and so often there's patch cables coming from some other device off camera but seeing which output it's coming from really helps. Thanks for this.
Hi Joel, good to hear thanks! When I making module specific demos it's never about what's going on off camera. Although I appreciate that may be interesting. Certainly when it's about patching and signal paths you do need to see it all. Glad this helped.
Still.. first cable to start with.. no idea where it is plugged in.. so for a beginning tutorial u already miss out on step one..
@@endless_arps Why is it so hard to show beginners the basics. There are many videos on cases, power and the like, but when it comes to basic patching and signal flow its bloody hopeless. I'm still searching for good guides. YT is a perfect medium for this but it seems many advanced users just can't be ass'ed to go back to basics. They just want to jam to their amazing creations. Ive spent too many hours frantically patching and getting nowhere. Almost makes you want to just packup up and sell it.
Step 1: sell a kidney
Step 2: sell an arm
Step 3: sell a leg
Step 4: buy a case
Step 5: cry
You've nailed it. I'm a bit lopsided trying to balance a left arm and right leg with all the crying! :)
The magic word to save your wallet is "DIY". Learn how to solder, and all those awesome modules are suddenly a whole lot cheaper.
Also, there's places like tindie and synthcube that sell kits for pretty decent prices. It's an excellent way to dive right in and learn a valuable skill to boot.
Cheers, good luck tinkering!
Modular synthesis is a slippery slope! I only bought a mother 32 around October last year and I've already gone crazy and filled a mantis case! Are the DIY options very difficult to assemble? I'm pretty handy with a soldering Iron but I could use some practice. My wallet could take a break as well! hahaha
I've inspected the boards on some of my modules and it doesn't seem like it would be too hard but I worry about frying my other gear with a mistake.
Oh yeah it's addicting alright :) The big thing with DIY is you build up a greater understanding of the electronic components, and the way they interact to form the module producing/processing sound. As far as difficulty level is concerned, the kits usually have a pretty thorough breakdown of how to assemble it.
For soldering; You're good if you have a decent temperature controlled soldering iron and the basics for cleanup/fix (flux removal, copper solderwick for cleaning up previously tinned pads, decent side snips, etc..)
About kits; Most if not all kits are marked what supply voltage they need, and at what input / output levels they operate. 10 volts peak to peak audio/gate/cv is almost universally standardised in eurorack 1 volt / octave systems.. Also, there's several channels here on youtube that assemble kit modules and film the whole process. Quincas Moreira comes to mind. If you're more into "raw" modules, then there's LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER. He does some crazy stuff with toys, turning them into pretty awesome modules. Then there's the synth-diy mailinglist, populated by pretty much all the greybeards making their own synths from scratch. Highly recommended, great signal/noise ratio.
Step 6: buy a modul
Step 7: repeat
looks up how much WMD Phase Displacement Oscillator is. *Turns off computer*
Seriously....
its amazing what added reverb can do. great video!
Only 2:35 into the video and I already have to comment on the clarity and the easy to understand explanations and editing. Well done sir. I shall give a like before I even finish the video ;)
Where was this video 6 months ago when I was first getting into this eurorack stuff? Would've saved me some headache. :-)
sounds amazing, very clean.
These are the modules you selected for starting out in modular synthesis? Why not a flux capacitor? No matter-energy converter? Where is the singularity generator? Sheesh.
IKR! Sheesh... the majority of the comments are pwning DivKid for how outlandish the pricing is on these 🤣
First I guess. I would love to get a modular setup, but they are insanely expensive, maybe I'll look into this is a while
TheGamerOfLegend Same. A modular would be awesome to have if they wouldn't be that expensive.
But until I understand them I'm fine with automatonism, it's a great software for beginners to learn the basics of modular synthesisers.
Learning in software first is a great way to get more out of what can potentially be a highly complex system. A really good grounding in the basics and building blocks of synthesis will change the way you work with hardware, modular and software too. So good approach.
Totally agree with the software argument. It's cheaper to tinker first, and tons of free vst's to try out to find your desired sound before you open up your wallet and get some hardware.
Reason being the obvious "patchable" softsynth/host of choice, but there's options out there. If you want to go oldskool tracker style, there's Buzz, but lately, I have no idea if that's still alive. For mobile producing I can highly recommend Sunvox. Solid tracker, plenty of oldskool modules for generating and processing signals, and the most moldable UI out there. If you have an android tablet, or an iPad, get that.
Cheers, and good luck tinkering!
+DivKidVideo Definitely. You can learn all about VCOs, ADSRs, LFOs and be well prepared for what would otherwise look like a complete nightmare. This is the journey I'm on - just about to get my first modular, but I'm very familiar with synth architecture and sound design in general, from years of programming VSTs (and hardware) which is going to save me so much time and headaches with the patch-fest of modular.
Start with the free, open source VCV Rack Software. Really worth your time, start studying before buying, first walk, then run, in a modular fashioned way :)
It was at about the 7.20 mark I thought "You know what Ill stick to my iPad synths cheers" :P
What happened between the time you introduced the rack and power module, and the time the rack was full? I missed something there. I think the part where you plugged the synth mods in...
My thoughts exactly, would have been far more useful to have seen that part
It was made on purpose to reproduce what happens in real life: you think about buying a semi-modular synth and suddenly you end up with a 6u rack full of modules...
maybe you should google a video of people pluging inputs into outputs all day. you'd be riveted and learn a lot apparently
Maybe we're interested to see how the modules are racked up and connected up to the power rail rather than the patching. Maybe you should keep your sarcastic opinions to yourself.
I'd tell beginners to get a Behringer Neutron: all kinds of patchability, paraphonic oscillators, modulate-able delay. I bought a 2nd one just because having an LFO, two envelopes, S+H, 2 attenuators, inverse, etc. would cost more than $300 in Eurorack.
I think at 3:05 you should have shown what you announced, putting the power in the case, you skipped an essential part that might have encouraged potential starters.
Best tutorial ever thank you soo much!!!
Nice video.
what is that reverb? sound lovely
The Planar is awesome
Excellent, very helpful.
neat! thanks for the info! now i just need thousands of dollars lol
The cases alone are like $300, and those are the cheaper ones...
@@TheGrrson I built a 168hp case, psu and rails included, for about $200
THAT CASSSSE !!!!!
one think you forgot to mention is the Outs module .
Any recommendation on good starter a case ?
I would go with something like the Arturia Rackbrute 6U
great tutorial to start! thanks
really the best vid about intro to modular synthesis. v clear... despite the accent, mate :)
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very helpful. thank you.
please im new to all this. Why do people use modular synths when digital synths are much much more easier to use? And also less pricy?
Because you get to do it yourself. It's way more cool that way.
Analog equipment are also nonlinear, for instance. Hardware could have minor faults which makes it unique. It is hard to compute this behaviour with softsynths. There does however exist some softsynths who can achieve it fairly well without sounding too "perfect" or "cold". Running synths/samples through analog gear also warms up sounds which is something I find as a great technique.
Digital is not the opposite to modular. Modular systems are both analog an digital. Digital synths come in both modular and fixed (non-modular) architecture. The advantage of modular is that it can be freely patched, and expanded without limits, it can grow with you. You can experiment with any type of synthesis, and you can even plug in your external gear and FX into the synthesis chain. You have an unlimited palette of sounds at your finger tips, while with digital fixed-architecture synth you are constrained to what the manufacturer decided is "enough". Also, digital synths come with banks of factory presets, and it's very tempting to use them, because they are so "pretty". At the end, you lose your creativity and sound like thousands of other users of the same synth. With a modular, you HAVE to patch your own, original sound from scratch.
Software simply isn't fun to use. Patching cables and turning knobs is more like actually playing an instrument with that same haptic feedback.
Interactivity and directness, for one. The knobs/inputs/outputs are right there and you know what they do by looking at them. With a VST, you have to assign a blank set of knobs to parameters and remember what each one does, as well as configure that setup, which takes time and disconnects you from the experience. Like MoritzH says, it's more like playing an instrument.
Secondly, to put it simply, the sound. What you produce is related to the first point and also the actual sound quality. There's no 'sample rate' or soundcard in the process. Just pure sound, and that adds a character you just can't get with digital, at least not without messing around with analogue emulation plugins. Also, you will just make better and weirder noises because of point one and two, due to the way you can route things.
The only problem is cost, really. A proper modular setup is going to run you at least £1000 for a basic kit, and after that, the sky's the limit.
Love this
Just to note: power options shown there all used 16-pin connectors, with no explanation of why there was a pic of a 10-pin one... this confused me when I started out. The 10-pin connectors don't include the pins from the original 16-pin Doepfer standard for CV and gate (hardly everyused), or the +5V rail... most modules seem to prefer to step down the +12V supply to +5V on the module itself. So using a 16-pin to 10-pin cable from the bus/flying bus to the module is very common.
I'm going to do DIY modules, so I'll plan to build a VCO, VCA, and a EG for a basic patch.
Does your power supply get hot? Is that why you have space between it and your first module?
How do we get in contact with Michael Mcgee, the guy you mentioned that we could order the pieces from?
Nice video, I didn't understand how we heard signal upon connecting the first cable to Out1 on the WMD without it going in anywhere. Later, when you use another (yellow) patch cable you have to find an input before we hear it. How can this be?
It's going to an output module off-screen I guess. Nitpicking perhaps, but I agree this should have been included in the skiff, so noobs can see how the sound comes out.
What's the cost of this whole setup? Sounds nice.
Just wondering - are you doing anything with the output to bring it down to line level or would it be safe to plug headphones straight into a VCA for example?
Of course it's better to cut down the signal with the mixer, for example. Raw sound from the VCA could be dangerously high
This makes me want to bust out my CZ5000, haven’t used it in ages
The white patch cable, the first one you put in where did it go ?
Beginning sounds like the lead part of Jean-michel Jarre's "Heart of Noise - part 2" 😁
no sequenceur ?
Why does this sound more like a CS-80 than a lot of other analogue synths do?
more more stuff like that!
So you need £1000 to make a plucky saw wave 😂
DEEB'SE no, you can slide some nuts, too!
@paperchasin23 interesting description! i don't agree but hey what do i know
you are right!
the fact is that the modules are open, you can look back and find out for yourself that electronic components used in most cases are very cheap discrete components and you wonder why a single module costs as much as a kidney! The truth is that the manufacturing companies are simply dishonest justifying the "cost of research and development and blah blah" but the truth is that an envelope is an envelope from the dawn of time and a basic oscillator is a stupid enough circuit to realize and that you can study at school. What's even sadder is that most customers who buy a modular synthesizer will eventually retry a $ 1000 minimum eurorack case and all they can pull off is a series of bleap bleap rhythms. Baaah... I like them... but the cost is unjustified
It’s what it does to a plucky saw wave that takes it to the next level.
why is intellijel different with the red stripe down, I though you can't twist the cable?
The original layout for the Intellijel module is upside down to this. With joystick at the top and jack sockets at the bottom. But people wanted it the other way round to suit there system so they made a different panel for it too. As long as both ends of the power cable in the power board/cable and on the module side and you check that the voltages line up where they should twisting a cable doesn't matter.
Nice... but I hate hate sliding nuts... makes you not want to swap stuff as much as you "should".
Heloo !!
first of all, i wanted to know where you put the cable that you connected to the sine wave to get out noise, audio interface? because the cable is correct p2? I'm in the beginning and I have some doubts!
I like when he says "nuuuts"
"I will use my Porsche to teach you how to drive a stick shift vehicle." "Pffft
Yea, like I can afford a Porsche-- and like really, who drives with a stick shift anymore." Thank you for the very informative video! (Btw, commenters: I am learning to do this with a couple hundred bucks and a soldering iron.)
I think it's really cool to be able to do this in person but like... why?
Serum can do this and so much more with a much faster workflow
I can see how some people would prefer this but it's also fookin expensive
What's the advantage of having modular hardware over virtual software (except that it looks cooler) ?
Marc Soucie - the physicality of it, and the feeling (immediacy) of controlling electricity with your hands. It's all about the feeling and the hands-on approach.
generally speaking the experience of it? you could use VCV rack and be done with it, but using irl modules is just more fun. also theyres more variety in terms of what modules you can get.
Where is the sound comes from ? where is the audio output ? and to whan input is it going ?
sound comes from oscillator, goes through a chain of modules, comes out the output, goes in audio interface, gets recorded, voilà :-)
Does anyone know which modules are the ones using ?
And don't forget folks - never trust the red stripe. It was implied in the video, but if you read the stories on Muffwiggler, there are times when the red stripe can be misleading. As Ben said - always check the manual!
I have destroyed several really nice modules this way.
okay I've just robbed a bank and the sirens are fading... I think I've got away with it...
How would you recommend I spend my first £3,000?
most helpful video ever.
could have used an lfo
can you connect this toy to a midi controller? was just curious...
depends on the midi controller. if it just outputs midi then you would need a special converter module to turn that midi into CV, but arturia midi controllers for example output CV out of the box, making them perfect for modular.
@@SorchaSublime so the answer is no?
@@crazyb87 no, the answer is: depends on the midi controller. if it just outputs midi then you would need a special converter module to turn that midi into CV, but arturia midi controllers for example output CV out of the box, making them perfect for modular.
Whats the Price of the Setup?
Where can I buy a Keychain???
these racks are a space saver then the 19RU but a bit pricey
Prices on this? What modules are recommended that are not so insanely expensive?
One relatively cheap option is to buy the modules as diy kits that you have to solder and assemble yourself (check thonk.co.uk if you're interested). If however you don't feel comfortable doing so, doepfer is known for its quality modules and fair pricing (though they usually are not as wild sounding and/or pretty looking as other manufacturers'). Also cases usually are quite expensive, but there is a tutorial in this series on how to build your own case out of cardboard (or any other material for that matter).
Thanks man for the information! I am actually interested in getting a module I can use for both arp and bass. Anything to add on this? Such as reverb/delay and sending midi from my sound interface to the module?
You can use any oscillator for any kind of sound. But what you're missing is that in modular there's a lot of utility module types that might not seem interesting, but they are a critical part of any setup.
I would say a "complete" setup includes: vco, vcf, vca, adsr, lfo, multiple, mixer. Take this with a grain of salt, though, as it is merely a suggestion. I recommend checking out the muffwiggler.com forum for more great advice and information in general. On modulargrid.net you can compare modules and even plan your own rack.
but to get a little more specific, for arp and bass the cheapest starting point would probably be something like this:
vco (doepfer 110-2), vcf (doepfer 106-5), midi to cv interface (mutable instruments cv pal)
Then add stuff as you move along. Just don't rush it.
Cheers
I really appreciate that you took your time to inform me. Thank you.
0:43 "screwed into the wood"
> two empty screw holes
???
I'd never want to waste precious rack space on a PSU though. I'd rather it was separate.
Where can I get that keychain module?
Hey Conrad, it's by Twisted Electron. I don't think they've released as they were working on an improved design. But I'd drop them a message and see what they say. It might be out or nearly ready as I haven't been in touch for a while.
Yeah, I would definitely like something like the keychain.
yeah this seems superb for a relatively small hp keyboard controller. `Seems more ideal than a pressure points which is clearly a popular module. `hopefully they will be out again soon
in what school they teach stuff like that
sae=School of Audio-Engeniering
Max Westphal i don't have such things in my country :(
Than in the internet! or (and) search for friends, who produce aswell
Search for signal-flow. i would start there, because you have it in all these things, vst, daw or the analog staff. in the mixer too. if you understand that, you will get to the rest automaticly. and google all things, (knops or effects and how they work)
the last thing, i started to learn, was the synthesis of sounds, but if you understand that, then its just logic, what things you need for these modular synthesis, or what you want in your rec, to get the sounds you want.
in synthesis, start with the different ways of synthesis:
subtractive synthesis (the most used)
additive synthesis
fm synthesis
(some synths mix the different ways)
and maybe you get that book in englisch or you language: Die Audio-Enzyklopädie from Andreas Friesecke (german title) or some thing like that!
greetings
Max Westphal thanks my man I already started producing music but i would love to go to such school because i think that all these equipment is amazing but also really expensive and i can't afford it myself plus this year i am going to university and it would be a dream come true to study my passion but as i said no studies like these here but of course i will be still learning everyting from the internet and my own experience 🙏
stop thinking schools are going to teach you how to make the music that you really want to make. there is no replacement for just diving in and getting started. youtube is your friend for learning about this stuff.
How to get into Modular:
1. Pull a deadmau5
2. Profit
3. Fund your real hobby
It also helps a great deal to know what you're doing. Lol.
..you mean 'Barry' McGee? :-)
Bucket list time!!!…🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎👾👾🤖🤖
When describing "in's and out's", why not start with the phrase, "out of (x) unit, into the input of (y) unit"? You seriously bounce around on routing terminology.... the video implies that it is for beginners.
Hi Casey, point noted I appreciate honest criticism especially when it comes with suggestions. There's lots of modular content on my channel you may find useful but for now it's more specifically at intermediate and above in terms of skill level. I do however offer tuition for this tailored to each person. Feel free to get in touch just to chat if you have questions about modular. Cheers!
Take me to Church & I'll listen like a dog...
I have been asking the wrong questions, part of the learning curve I guess, I'm hoping this is the right one..
I own a Benjolin 2v, a 0 control, Erica synths Sample Drum, WMD pro output & Maths,
installed in a powered rack, all hooked up & working.
The question I have...
are there modules or parts am I missing "meaning"
I have noise makers Maths & Benjolin,
I have a keyboard, 0 control,
I have a method to bring in sample sources & "drum sounds"
(I think I'm a little confused on this point " Sample DRUM right? )
& what I think is an amp WMD Pro Output
every video I've seen , does not explain or show the leads to an amp & the powered speakers or mixer
so I guess my question is three fold,
1. do I have all the necessary modules
2. more information on once the sound leaves the rack how is it amplified properly those options
it is assumed in this community from the videos & other resources this is common knowledge but its not
3. basic patching to begin to explore the different sounds
On Modular grid .net when I built a virtual synth & started to experiment with it
it gives me this message
×This Rack does not contain any Modules that are playable in TrueGrid.
I have been using the guitar pedal of my sons FX 100 by Flamma
the amp contained & head phone jack & volume it to
produce sounds ,
but I don't like the "Barney Fife" method, & my kid wants his pedal back
I hope this better explains my dilemma,
any advise helps,
thanking anyone who answers in advance,
kind of feeling like Ricky from trailer park boys ,
sad because I only have my grade 10, in this very cool group of people
1 thousandth like? I think?
well I would not start a eurorack modular in 2017... I built mine in 2009-2010 mostly, but now there is so many great cheap analog synths, plus you have the kord SQ1 sequencer, for the price of a small eurorack modular you have a super all analog sequencer and synth rig. Odyssey, MS20, M32, Deadbox SEM etc.. you name it! granted it is NOT the same, but for most user looking to sequence stuff and MAKE MUSIC I would pass off eurorack in 2017!
Then you've missed the whole point of what modular synthesis is. My Korg MS-20 can't do Wavetable synthesis. My Arp Odyssey can't do Granular synthesis. My Mother-32s don't have Resonators... but my Eurorack setup can do all of those things and more! And it can continually morph into whatever I want it to be just by adding or taking away one module at a time. THAT is the whole point of Modular synths; to create a specific and unique synth just for yourself! And just to be clear... I have over 12 fixed synths, including analog, digital, and hybrid synths from Korg, Roland, Clavia, Waldorf, DSI, Moog and others... but none of them can do what my Eurorack setup can do.
WaveRider you're right about some great synths around at the moment. Plenty of good choices. But Genshi Media Group hit the nail on the head. A eurorack system can be exactly what you want and morph often within one patch between what several devices would offer.
This guy sounds like he's on Game of Thrones
How to get started? Get shit amount of money...
It's definitely not a cheap way to get into making synth sounds.
Notts and keeebls in the kees
Fred called, he wants his strip back.
Very expensive hobby.
so is banging hookers, smoking, drinking, snorting drugs...
@@thedarklandsmusic lmao what
so is photography
All this for a price of a moog 37 which sounds so much better and does a lot more
You can have both? Apples and oranges...
I mean, that's subjective for one thing. And for a second thing, no it doesnt do more, not even close.
Word to the wise: Don't!
Can anyone explain to me why Modular synth's are so expensive?
most modules arent made by big corporations that can afford to be cheap ig? also each module is its own product, which makes it more expensive to produce.
1. Be the recipient of a trust fund set up by your WASP parents
or just, save up money like you would when getting into any hobby? have you seen how expensive cameras can get
I don't get this modular madness. At least if was diy friendly so you can actually build circuits and solder and stuff. But everything is an expensive, closely guarded secret. Just buy a VST synth and you're done.
Bogdan Serban There's plenty of DIY in modular. Open source as well. Closely-guarded secrets?
why buy a VST synth when you can program a VST synth
As a few have pointed out there's lots of DIY entries into modular. And I think a DIY module for nearly every function you can think of regarding synthesis too. I'd highly recommend thonk.co.uk for getting into DIY if that appeals.
Tristan Pantano, because sometimes its nice to just get on with making music instead of noodling about in max. I like reaktor because it meets you half way but to be honest, if I can load a vst with the osc / filter / envelope configuration I want for the specific type of sound I'm making, then I'll just do that. With the modulation matrix on a lot of the these modern vsts you can patch most useful forms of modulation without even going as far as reaktor, so unless you're making some experimental ambient type affair most of the time if you want to actually make music as opposed to noodle about with synths it's best to just draw for a professionally made vst. I still like to dedicate a day every so often to some noodling to come up with a bit of unique sound design to throw into projects but if you're a one man operation trying to actually get some music finished, programming your own vsts and eurorack modular probably aren't the most sensible avenues to explore.
I can assure you most people who get into modular have bought/used digital synths before. One of the main reasons modular synths (and physical synths in general) look so tempting to people nowadays is the fact that you get to make music by doing something other than stare at a screen for six hours.
Stay away from modular. Modular, not even once.
"stay away from photography. even if you would enjoy it, cameras are expensive and therefore evil"
@@SorchaSublime I didn't say stay away from music, kinda failed argument.
Step one: buy Behringer hahah