Good review, I got this mainly for its ability to handle Amazon Ultra HD. Really pleased with it, my system could benefit from better streamer, but so many coming on the market at such different price points, I'm in no hurry and this sounds pretty good for now.
I have my Wiim connected to a Nuprime DAC via toslink. The Nuprime DAC has an incredible pre-amp section with Class A output stage with XLR balanced connections. Volume is 99 step ladder. This connects via balance XLR to a Mark Levinson power amp. I connect my iPhone via Wifi and it’s so glorious.
Wiim has really done an excellent job with this streamer. I am powering mine with a Topping P50 and dont observe anything to complain. The app is smooth and fast, the updates are frequent, what more does one want for a living room setup. The DAC in my system is a Soekris dam 1021 with an Audiozen board.
Thank you for our review. I bought my first back in early July and just got my second one yesterday here in the US. Imagine my surprise when the second one showed up in a new box with a picture of the remote on it and an actual remote included inside for no extra cost. Sure it’s simple but nice to see they may be including now. Was very surprised. It was bought from Amazon but between the new listing and the one a month ago there is no mention of the remote being add. Just thought I would let you know. Thank yo
Nice and informative video. Thanks a lot. I’m using WiiM mini and more recently the pro, connecting to a Mytek DAC and a pair of Geithain active speakers. Most of my digital music comes from a local NAS using airplay protocol. Prior to WiiM I was using AirPort Express devices. To me the WiiM pro is an upgrade, both sonically and from a functional perspective. I’m very happy with it. And btw I noticed a difference and improvement in sound quality between mini and pro (connected with the DAC via toslink).
Thanks Hans, After your review of the Mini I waited for the Pro and immediately bought two, one for the homeoffice and one for the living room! Both are connected to the DNLA fileserver with the ripped CD's. Now waiting for ROON support to be supported. As soon as that happens, I'll install that on my PC. Software and software support are great, updates and improvements appear continuously!
Just a small comment, if I remember right, the Allo Nirvana is not a leaner power supply but a quiet SMPS, the Shanty is their LPS. Great review, i will definitely consider buying one once they have roon ready certification.
Great review! A versatile player. I am using it as a transport connected to a Marantz AVR with Alexa set up. Added the remote. Am able to voice control from an Amazon Dot or from the remote to play music from Spotify (even free account), Tidal & Amazon music.Besides setting up Roon remotes on kids tablets & Chromebooks and setting up separate Roon profiles for them, this is another great set up to encourage kids to listen to music with better systems than their phones and laptops.
Would be interesting to know if this device, as a transport, sounds comparable to the new low-cost, sub-$500 streamer options from NAD and Cambridge. Thanks for the review. Seems WiiM could bump up the DAC quality and compete head-to-head with those. But I guess they know a good market niche when they see one.
Another top notch and informative video Hans, Thank YOU! I bought the WiiM mini when I had the Eversolo streamer on order, and it was backordered, easy 30 day wait. So, Amazon had their big sale day, so I picked up a WiiM Mini, and immediately bought a WiiM Pro after just a few days with the Mini, for the digital coax output for my DAC. The magic of the WiiM units, is the ten band graphic equalizer. Put a good power supply on the WiiM Pro, 5v 2.0 amp unit, I am using the ifi one Amazon sells for $69, pair it with your favorite DAC, and for a little more than $300 you have one killer little streamer. The WiiM Pro sounds better on my system than the Pi2 Mercury v2 streamer running RoPieeeXL via network, and I chalk that up to the built in EQ of the WiiM. And yes, I have the WiiM Pro attached to my network via ethernet, through the LHY SW-8 filtering network switch. The sound out of the WiiM, for the money, is ridiculously GOOD! I cannot see spending more money for what I would perceive as very little improvement on my system.
I found the WiiM Pro as a streamer only (never tried the DAC) to be somewhat congested and constrained, somewhat on par with my Node 2i (as a streamer only). The addition of an Allo Shanti is a whole other story adding aire, texture, bass, soundstage depth and width, and detail on par (or even slightly better) than the Shanti powering a RaspberryPi 3+ with Allo DigiOne Signature hat. Finally found a reasonably priced worthy replacement that doesn't have all the technical glitches of the Pi and Volumio. I now have 2 of the Wiim Pro/Shanti setups and may get a 3rd while I wait for the market to bring a substantial streamer only upgrade for less than $1k
I had the same experience with an ifi power supply and the WiiM Pro using the PS Audio Stellar GainCell DAC/Preamp with a vintage Sansui 4000 receiver. The WiiM sounds better on this system with this combo vs my Pi2 Mercury v2 streamer with the LHY linear power supply. The reason, in my mind, how the WiiM Pro can sound so good, is the 10 band graphic equalizer. The EQ takes the WiiM products to another level. They really put a lot of thought into integrating everything into their ap.
@@jlmjloi4533 Pick up the ifi power supply amazon sells for $69, the 5v 2.5 amp unit. If you stream over a network, pick up the $50 Netgear GS108eV3 network switch. It has an incredible ability to filter out noise on the network stream, I own three of them. Put a 12v linear power supply on them, and they go up a few notches in cleaning up the noise.
I believe you are on to something with the external power supply. I bought an Allo Shanti, which literally cost $50 more than the Wiim Pro, plus shipping from France since Shantis have been impossible to find in the US. The results were simply extraordinary. I suspect there's better out there, but at what price? Note that I'm running it through a SMSL SU-9 Pro, not the internal DAC. You should try it with one of your SOTA power supplies, if you haven't already.
I agree with every thing you say. I have had mine for 6 months and use an Aeries 12th DAC. I love the sound. But a warning. I have a large music collection stored on my NAS. The Pro will NOT play this in a true random fashion, as I was used to with my previous Yamaha streamer. The Pro gets stuck on areas like song "01" or "06" and will not move out into the alphabetical catalogue. It is very frustrating as this is where I like to listen a lot. I cannot see why WIIM have not been able to fix this problem. They once said in feedback that said it could only play 25 songs from a NAS supply; but they have kind of walked back on that. Very frustrating. I haver been playing my NAS catalogue today and I cannot progress beyond titles that begin with numbers. Cheers.
What would you suggest my approach be? - I currently own every Squeezebox (times 2) minus the Transporter and I run the Logitech Media Server software on a dedicate Laptop. Question: should my approach be to infuse my three new WiiM PROs into my Logitech Media Server echo system -OR- Would I'd be better off terminating my entire Logitech Media Server based setup and go 100% WiiM ? If the latter, then what replaces the Logitech Media Server software (does WiiM provide a new and improved substitute?). Thank you so much for your input on this!
If you are prepared to give up your Squeezebox equipment, you find a more robust and versatile solution in the Wiim player. You also need to replace LMS by a DLNA server. May I suggest Minim Server.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel My gosh it's been 18 YEARS!, however YES it's time to move on :) OK, I just researched DLNA servers and despite Plex running on my Nvidia Shield PRO which apparently would work, I see that your suggestion of using the MinimServer is quite warranted. Not sure I can run MinimServer on my Nvidia Shield PRO, however if not I'll simply run it on my Gaming PC (with 2 TB and plenty powerful for Streaming and Ripping alike). QUESTION: anyone know of a good (cheap) Remote Control option for running the Wiim app? I'm using my current cellphone, as well as my previous cellphone (now stripped down to function purely as a Whole house & Remote Control). I could buy yet another cellphone, but that would be expensive and buying way more features than I need (camera, etc.). I'd rather it not be BIG (tablet etc.) and instead I wanted something that I can wear on my Belt/Hip. Any suggestions anyone? Any other very small Android options other than a cellphone?
I ended up buying 3 of these for each of my listening setups and sold off all my other streaming sources. For the price it does everything I need. Is it perfect no! I am tied to the amazon steaming platform and being able to stream natively Through the app is something almost all other streamers cannot do not even BlueSound node through BluOS. There are a few bugs when skipping tracks or fast forwarding or rewinding tracks can have long delays or even cause a pause or the track to restart. But for the price these are amazing
I had the Amazon Echo Link and even Amazon's own hardware suffers from the exact issue. I think this is more of an Amazon API issue and not WiiM's fault.
I bought this primary as a streamer but have been waiting patiently for parametric EQ to be added via software. This will really make it a great product to replace both streamer and dsp duties.
Thank you for this in depth review. I’ve always enjoyed your content and no nonsense delivery! I plan to try one of these out soon as a test drive. Cheers!
Great video ! When combined with an external DAC, did you notice any sound quality differences between the Pro and the standard WiiM Mini (which I already use)?
I discovered the mini has DLNA with Bubble Upnp in Android. Bitperfect and gapless. And thought only the pro did android stream high res. Wrong. So now Pro is no longer necessary
I am glad you tried the WiiM Pro with a linear power supply. This is a way, I think, to improve any device that has an external switch mode power supply.
So the WiiM has internet radio, and will allow the digital optical/TOSLink input signal from my Smart TV..? all the while feeding the output as analog through RCA connections to my vintage receiver? If so... that's amazing.
Hi Hans, nice video. To help us put things in perspective, by what you may recall (a few years have passed) how would you compare these to old SoTM SMS-200 or ProJect Streambox? From a sound perspective only as there’s a huge gap in features and usability.
Hans if I may ask a favor: whenever you have a chance it would be nice to have better insights on the NAS+MinimServer you mention. A link to external resources or maybe even a dedicated video as an update to your old “DAS vs NAS” one. Here you mention prices that are orders of magnitude different from those mentioned five years ago, so revisiting those info may be worth for many of your viewers. …just asking. 😅
I use the Pro via coax into my mdac+. A Topping P50 lpsu is also used . This is 5v but only 1amp output. It works fine but should i be worried that I'm not giving it enough current,? ...
Hi 👋, Has . I have just been listening to a. Review on EverSono DMP A6 , what is your opinion on this product, are you likely to be doing a review on this, and what do you think of it, Phil from the moulin France,
I'd be interested to know how the digital output of the Wiim Pro stacks up against a Raspberry Pi and a HIFiBerry Digi+ HAT. So much easier to initiate but what about the sound quality?
The Wiims DAC isn't a very good one so the R Pi with a Hifi berry hat would most likely be better. I use my Wiims with external DACs - a Schitt Audio Modi 3 and a Topping DX3. Sounds fantastic and allowed me to cancel the Volumio subscription that I used to stream Qobuz on my Pi. I turned my pi into a Plex server to stream my ripped CDs.
@@srdjr6760 I'd probably, like yourself, be using an external DAC. My Pi is currently linked to a Rotel DAC via a Digi HAT. I have a DX3 as well but I prefer the Rotel sound. Thanks for your help.
Hi Hans! It is always great to watch your TH-cam channel. I just got a review from you regarding to Mano Ultra MK3 and now this WiiM Pro video. It makes me confused between the two to pick. For the pricing WiiM Pro is 1/10 of the Mano Ultra MK3. I plan to use the Chord Quest for my DAC. Please be advised. Thanks!
The WiiM Pro is great for the money but there are better ones when you spend more. For instance the SOtM sMS-200, Yet another step up could be the Link Streamer. One step further up might come from Auralic and so on. For me it ends at the € 12.000 Grimm Audio. See the playlists I have made.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hi Hans, first of all thank you for the great review. However, I am a bit confused now. If the cord qutest is used as a dac isn't the cord qutest responsible for the sound quality no matter how good the streamer is?
The Wiim smartphone app works quite well so I cancelled my remote order. Its a great streamer fir only 150.00. Wiim also regularly updates the firmware to improve the user experience as needed.
Really appreciate these insights. I've been thinking about building a Raspberry Pi with Allo BOSS DAC HAT, to achieve the same. Frankly at this price point, I'm wondering whether its worth the hassle of me trying - music quality/sound is a subjective topic, but I wonder how this would compare to my Sonos Playbar when it's played through a Cambridge audio AXA35 connected to a pair of Wharfedale 12.3 floor standers ... I'm guessing there is only one way to answer that question! Thanks for all you are doing in this community - thoroughly enjoying your content.😁
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel completely understand. I thinks it’s a case for me to try and see. What I would say, is your insights intro the impact of cheap power supplies on technologies performance is fascinating. Digital equipment creates much noise on the ground circuits. I notice this when using guitar pedals.
So i guess it blows my Chromecast Ultra out of the water... But i still use my Oppo 105 for my wav files...i doubt i really need this but i could be wrong? 230 sadly in Canada with taxes or I'd get it right away. Thank you sir 🙏
Thank you. Can you provide a link to the linear USB-C power supply you recommend? I’ve just ordered one to replace one of my two Amazon Links. Assuming it works well I will by a second one to replace my other Echo Link. On another setup I have a the older Bluesound Node 2i. I am hoping to use mine with Roon, Amazon Music HD, and Apple Music. All will use external DACs. Also is there a link to how you connect the music on your Synology device? I have used a QNAP with my Bluesound but just added a Synology DS-1522+. Thank you again. Hope this works out for me.
Thanks for this! I have my PC going into several systems downstairs via RCA to Cat6 back to RCA at each amp. I need something to "pipe" the music to an upstairs system. Will this fit the bill?
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Bedanked and groeten! Better than my hard wires, "but there is a limitation sound-quality-wise?" Could you please explain? Also, would eliminating all my wires mean that for each system, I would require one streamer (per system)?
They have been promising Roon support for a while and saying it’s coming this month. Curious if that will make the streaming better. I guess my real question is: what is it about more expensive streamers that makes them sound better when streaming bit perfect digital to external dac? Why does that matter and how is the ‘bit perfect’ digital signal being degraded?
Bit perfect digital is only half the story. The other half is timing. The quality of the clock oscillator is critical to the sound. As is the power supply. Better streamers have better clocks and better power supplies. And if your streamer has an internal DAC, there opens again different levels of performance.
@@brodricj3023 you know , I have at my light table next to my bed Tempotec serenade X streamer/dac/amp. Not super sound but ok for my budget space and expectations. It comes with an external power supply of 12 v dc. I have also an ifi ipower with that specs and really they sound THE SAME. Curious since I have dac Topping E50 and ifi I power LPS of 5v and it sounds BETTER with it than connecting to a conventional usb 5v charger. My question is… suppose you have a tv stick such as Amazon 4K max , should it sound better with LPS? I have not tried yet
it probably does. I expect it to give less micro judder; little ‘worm-like’ movements on the screen. And thus provide a sharper picture that is easier on the eye.
Hi Hans, I really like this channel, I have a Wavelength Cosecant usb dac with the renumarator and would like to get rid of my laptop for a good streamer, I've tried the bluesound node but they didn't work well together, sound cutting out, I know Melco works but I'm trying to keep the price down, any ideas would be appreciated, thanks, keep up the great work.
I purchased a Pro a month ago and thought it was OK until I realized it DOES NOT play songs from an album on my Synology NAS in track order. I googled this issue on line and found out that this problem is common. WIIM was to have fixed this problem in April 2023. As we are all aware it is now early June and no fix is in site. If the problem is not corrected by the end of the summer I'll give this piece of junk away and purchase a Bluesound Streamer
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Actually ended up purchasing an Eversolo DMP-A6. Overall I do like the A6. The minor issue I have with the A6 is that the software is a bit laggy when initially loading a list of my files when using an Android tablet. The NAS sourced files are immediately on unit itself so I am good with that minor issue. I do use the Wiim's on other amps in my home.
Interested! Will it work using jriver MC 31 installed on desktop computer? Right now I'm using chromecast audio as my streamer but I have no EQ. If Jriver works with wiim pro do you think the sound quality will improve? Thanks
I just purchased the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus and connected them to the same amp via a mixer. I streamed the same song from amazon music and I did not hear any difference in the quality of sound. they both sound good. I'm I supposed to hear any difference between them?
Having no USB out is perhaps a deal breaker. If I’m not mistaken, connecting to an external DAC using USB would enable the clock of the DAC to be used. The clock in the Wiim Pro can’t be good due to its low price.
Using USB does indeed means that the clock in the DAC is used.It also means that the noisy power supply and clock signals in the source is likely disturbing the digital to analogue conversion, as I have explained in many videos. The best interface is the best BUILT interface, preferably on both sides of the cable.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you. Been using the WIIM PRO since March of this year. It's connected to one of 3 DACs that are switched around depending on the music selected. At night it's just a streamer to a Bluetooth speaker for talk radio. Thanks again
Not directly. You can use Apple Airplay or ChromeCa st as protocol. It is said they are working on Roon Ready support. It should become available via an update.
For the money, I certainly know of none. I use two SVS SB-3000 subs, and you could easily hook those up to my WiiM Pro with some RCA y connectors. Then let the SVS handle the filtering. I have had a few streamers through here, and the WiiM is by far the best to date on many levels. The clincher is the ten band EQ. That alone takes the WiiM to levels most streamers will never attain.
Having using it for a while, recently it's software got crazy. Everything is upside down. Impossible to operate. Sent an email to their support with no reply from them. Is anyone encountered such a problem?
I purchased one and had nothing but problems. One of the worst audio purchases I have ever made. No customer service until they read my review on Amazon. At that point I had already returned to Amazon. The sound was very good
I hate my Wiim Pro. It's a $150 paperweight. Total Disappointment. Connected my turntable per the instructions, and could only play it on a single echo. Was hoping for whole house play as promised by Wiim. After that failure, I tried streaming Amazon Music and Spotify to my Echo speakers around the house. Another huge fail. It didn't play at all. I'm shocked no one has come up with a way to play a turntable across a home network.
How about if you output its digital SPDIF into a reclocker first, then into DAC? Examples of high end reclockers: Ladder Handel, Mutec MC3+, Audiobyte HUB. Why would I do this: to take advantage of WiiM's excellent user interface and app. I do have a feeling that even the $$$ streamers will be improved by one of these reclockers.
Sure, but also reclockers come in qualities. And wouldn't it be better to start of with a streamer that has a proper digital output in stead of trying to repair a low quality output signal?
Good review, I got this mainly for its ability to handle Amazon Ultra HD.
Really pleased with it, my system could benefit from better streamer, but so many coming on the market at such different price points, I'm in no hurry and this sounds pretty good for now.
Does it play bitperfect with Amazon Ultra?
Good review and appreciated. Nice to see affordable audio on your channel.
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I have my Wiim connected to a Nuprime DAC via toslink. The Nuprime DAC has an incredible pre-amp section with Class A output stage with XLR balanced connections. Volume is 99 step ladder. This connects via balance XLR to a Mark Levinson power amp. I connect my iPhone via Wifi and it’s so glorious.
Which Nuprime DAC do you use?
Wiim has really done an excellent job with this streamer. I am powering mine with a Topping P50 and dont observe anything to complain. The app is smooth and fast, the updates are frequent, what more does one want for a living room setup. The DAC in my system is a Soekris dam 1021 with an Audiozen board.
Enjoy the music
Thank you for the video, especially for putting quality of this product into perspective.
That’s my mission statement
Thank you for our review. I bought my first back in early July and just got my second one yesterday here in the US. Imagine my surprise when the second one showed up in a new box with a picture of the remote on it and an actual remote included inside for no extra cost. Sure it’s simple but nice to see they may be including now. Was very surprised. It was bought from Amazon but between the new listing and the one a month ago there is no mention of the remote being add. Just thought I would let you know. Thank yo
Thanks for sharing. Mine did also with a remote control.
Nice and informative video. Thanks a lot.
I’m using WiiM mini and more recently the pro, connecting to a Mytek DAC and a pair of Geithain active speakers. Most of my digital music comes from a local NAS using airplay protocol. Prior to WiiM I was using AirPort Express devices. To me the WiiM pro is an upgrade, both sonically and from a functional perspective. I’m very happy with it. And btw I noticed a difference and improvement in sound quality between mini and pro (connected with the DAC via toslink).
If you would replace the WiiM's with for instance an SOtM sMS-200, there is yet another upgrade in sound quality. Just saying.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 👍🙏🏻
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannelDoes SMS200 still sound better than WiiMPro+Shanti PS?
Thanks Hans,
After your review of the Mini I waited for the Pro and immediately bought two, one for the homeoffice and one for the living room! Both are connected to the DNLA fileserver with the ripped CD's. Now waiting for ROON support to be supported. As soon as that happens, I'll install that on my PC.
Software and software support are great, updates and improvements appear continuously!
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I love my pro! Great value
Just a small comment, if I remember right, the Allo Nirvana is not a leaner power supply but a quiet SMPS, the Shanty is their LPS. Great review, i will definitely consider buying one once they have roon ready certification.
You are correct.
Great review! A versatile player. I am using it as a transport connected to a Marantz AVR with Alexa set up. Added the remote. Am able to voice control from an Amazon Dot or from the remote to play music from Spotify (even free account), Tidal & Amazon music.Besides setting up Roon remotes on kids tablets & Chromebooks and setting up separate Roon profiles for them, this is another great set up to encourage kids to listen to music with better systems than their phones and laptops.
Cool, thanks!
Danke!
dir auch, danke
Would be interesting to know if this device, as a transport, sounds comparable to the new low-cost, sub-$500 streamer options from NAD and Cambridge. Thanks for the review. Seems WiiM could bump up the DAC quality and compete head-to-head with those. But I guess they know a good market niche when they see one.
Another top notch and informative video Hans, Thank YOU! I bought the WiiM mini when I had the Eversolo streamer on order, and it was backordered, easy 30 day wait. So, Amazon had their big sale day, so I picked up a WiiM Mini, and immediately bought a WiiM Pro after just a few days with the Mini, for the digital coax output for my DAC. The magic of the WiiM units, is the ten band graphic equalizer. Put a good power supply on the WiiM Pro, 5v 2.0 amp unit, I am using the ifi one Amazon sells for $69, pair it with your favorite DAC, and for a little more than $300 you have one killer little streamer.
The WiiM Pro sounds better on my system than the Pi2 Mercury v2 streamer running RoPieeeXL via network, and I chalk that up to the built in EQ of the WiiM. And yes, I have the WiiM Pro attached to my network via ethernet, through the LHY SW-8 filtering network switch. The sound out of the WiiM, for the money, is ridiculously GOOD! I cannot see spending more money for what I would perceive as very little improvement on my system.
Enjoy the music
Thank you. Great review!!
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I found the WiiM Pro as a streamer only (never tried the DAC) to be somewhat congested and constrained, somewhat on par with my Node 2i (as a streamer only). The addition of an Allo Shanti is a whole other story adding aire, texture, bass, soundstage depth and width, and detail on par (or even slightly better) than the Shanti powering a RaspberryPi 3+ with Allo DigiOne Signature hat. Finally found a reasonably priced worthy replacement that doesn't have all the technical glitches of the Pi and Volumio. I now have 2 of the Wiim Pro/Shanti setups and may get a 3rd while I wait for the market to bring a substantial streamer only upgrade for less than $1k
I had the same experience with an ifi power supply and the WiiM Pro using the PS Audio Stellar GainCell DAC/Preamp with a vintage Sansui 4000 receiver. The WiiM sounds better on this system with this combo vs my Pi2 Mercury v2 streamer with the LHY linear power supply. The reason, in my mind, how the WiiM Pro can sound so good, is the 10 band graphic equalizer. The EQ takes the WiiM products to another level. They really put a lot of thought into integrating everything into their ap.
I plan to connect the WiiM Pro to PS Audio DL3 together with Sansui AU217. Any advice?
@@jlmjloi4533 Pick up the ifi power supply amazon sells for $69, the 5v 2.5 amp unit. If you stream over a network, pick up the $50 Netgear GS108eV3 network switch. It has an incredible ability to filter out noise on the network stream, I own three of them. Put a 12v linear power supply on them, and they go up a few notches in cleaning up the noise.
I believe you are on to something with the external power supply. I bought an Allo Shanti, which literally cost $50 more than the Wiim Pro, plus shipping from France since Shantis have been impossible to find in the US. The results were simply extraordinary. I suspect there's better out there, but at what price? Note that I'm running it through a SMSL SU-9 Pro, not the internal DAC. You should try it with one of your SOTA power supplies, if you haven't already.
What type of adaptor is needed, i have the wiim mini and pro, thanks!!!
@@legrandgroves8560 It comes with an assortment including the correct one.
Thanks for the detailed and nuanced review of a super-hyped product. 👌
My pleasure!
I hope you are able to review the Eversolo DMP-A6 streamer in the near future. Thank you for your wonderful reviews.
I will but be patient.
Great video. I have found that the Wiim mini with an upgraded power supply and a good dac does sound amazing.
Very nice!
I agree with every thing you say. I have had mine for 6 months and use an Aeries 12th DAC. I love the sound. But a warning. I have a large music collection stored on my NAS. The Pro will NOT play this in a true random fashion, as I was used to with my previous Yamaha streamer. The Pro gets stuck on areas like song "01" or "06" and will not move out into the alphabetical catalogue. It is very frustrating as this is where I like to listen a lot. I cannot see why WIIM have not been able to fix this problem. They once said in feedback that said it could only play 25 songs from a NAS supply; but they have kind of walked back on that. Very frustrating. I haver been playing my NAS catalogue today and I cannot progress beyond titles that begin with numbers. Cheers.
What would you suggest my approach be? - I currently own every Squeezebox (times 2) minus the Transporter and I run the Logitech Media Server software on a dedicate Laptop. Question: should my approach be to infuse my three new WiiM PROs into my Logitech Media Server echo system -OR- Would I'd be better off terminating my entire Logitech Media Server based setup and go 100% WiiM ? If the latter, then what replaces the Logitech Media Server software (does WiiM provide a new and improved substitute?). Thank you so much for your input on this!
If you are prepared to give up your Squeezebox equipment, you find a more robust and versatile solution in the Wiim player. You also need to replace LMS by a DLNA server. May I suggest Minim Server.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel My gosh it's been 18 YEARS!, however YES it's time to move on :) OK, I just researched DLNA servers and despite Plex running on my Nvidia Shield PRO which apparently would work, I see that your suggestion of using the MinimServer is quite warranted. Not sure I can run MinimServer on my Nvidia Shield PRO, however if not I'll simply run it on my Gaming PC (with 2 TB and plenty powerful for Streaming and Ripping alike). QUESTION: anyone know of a good (cheap) Remote Control option for running the Wiim app? I'm using my current cellphone, as well as my previous cellphone (now stripped down to function purely as a Whole house & Remote Control). I could buy yet another cellphone, but that would be expensive and buying way more features than I need (camera, etc.). I'd rather it not be BIG (tablet etc.) and instead I wanted something that I can wear on my Belt/Hip. Any suggestions anyone? Any other very small Android options other than a cellphone?
I ended up buying 3 of these for each of my listening setups and sold off all my other streaming sources. For the price it does everything I need. Is it perfect no! I am tied to the amazon steaming platform and being able to stream natively Through the app is something almost all other streamers cannot do not even BlueSound node through BluOS. There are a few bugs when skipping tracks or fast forwarding or rewinding tracks can have long delays or even cause a pause or the track to restart. But for the price these are amazing
I had the Amazon Echo Link and even Amazon's own hardware suffers from the exact issue. I think this is more of an Amazon API issue and not WiiM's fault.
I bought this primary as a streamer but have been waiting patiently for parametric EQ to be added via software. This will really make it a great product to replace both streamer and dsp duties.
The EQ might be limited in quality given the processor inside. Please share your experience.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel fingers 🤞 they actually get to implementing it. It's been a while.sinve they have stated they want to add the feature.
Thank you for this in depth review. I’ve always enjoyed your content and no nonsense delivery!
I plan to try one of these out soon as a test drive.
Cheers!
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Where did you buy the allo nirvana for the mentioned price?
Great video !
When combined with an external DAC, did you notice any sound quality differences between the Pro and the standard WiiM Mini (which I already use)?
Only a very small difference
@@vintageflanker7096 it’s a different design
I discovered the mini has DLNA with Bubble Upnp in Android. Bitperfect and gapless. And thought only the pro did android stream high res. Wrong. So now Pro is no longer necessary
@@vintageflanker7096 You wasted your time. Measurements mean very little, especially with Dacs and streamers.
@VintageFlanker so little to no difference, get the mini and be happy
Hello Hans, thank you for the great video again! Do you by any chance know how it stacks up against the ifi zen stream?
Have a great weekend :)
Sorry, no
I will get one as soon as it works with Roon.
I am glad you tried the WiiM Pro with a linear power supply. This is a way, I think, to improve any device that has an external switch mode power supply.
So the WiiM has internet radio, and will allow the digital optical/TOSLink input signal from my Smart TV..? all the while feeding the output as analog through RCA connections to my vintage receiver? If so... that's amazing.
That's what I said.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel - That is great. Thank you for the video, and for confirming my comment.
I'm wondering if it make sense to replace my chromecast audio with WiiM pro (streamer only / Tidal hi-fi / dac: Topping E30ii )
I think so.
Hi Hans, I know it's not in the same Ballpark but can you review the Holo Audio, Red Streamer? Thank you for all your GREAT VIDEO'S!!!
I will check it out
Hi Hans, nice video. To help us put things in perspective, by what you may recall (a few years have passed) how would you compare these to old SoTM SMS-200 or ProJect Streambox? From a sound perspective only as there’s a huge gap in features and usability.
Especially the sMS200 sounds clearly better.
Hans if I may ask a favor: whenever you have a chance it would be nice to have better insights on the NAS+MinimServer you mention. A link to external resources or maybe even a dedicated video as an update to your old “DAS vs NAS” one. Here you mention prices that are orders of magnitude different from those mentioned five years ago, so revisiting those info may be worth for many of your viewers.
…just asking. 😅
I use the Pro via coax into my mdac+. A Topping P50 lpsu is also used . This is 5v but only 1amp output. It works fine but should i be worried that I'm not giving it enough current,? ...
I don't think it will cause a defect but there is a big chance the sound quality suffers from it.
Hi 👋, Has . I have just been listening to a. Review on EverSono DMP A6 , what is your opinion on this product, are you likely to be doing a review on this, and what do you think of it, Phil from the moulin France,
I have not reviewed it (yet).
I'd be interested to know how the digital output of the Wiim Pro stacks up against a Raspberry Pi and a HIFiBerry Digi+ HAT.
So much easier to initiate but what about the sound quality?
The Wiims DAC isn't a very good one so the R Pi with a Hifi berry hat would most likely be better. I use my Wiims with external DACs - a Schitt Audio Modi 3 and a Topping DX3. Sounds fantastic and allowed me to cancel the Volumio subscription that I used to stream Qobuz on my Pi. I turned my pi into a Plex server to stream my ripped CDs.
@@srdjr6760 I'd probably, like yourself, be using an external DAC. My Pi is currently linked to a Rotel DAC via a Digi HAT. I have a DX3 as well but I prefer the Rotel sound. Thanks for your help.
Hi Hans! It is always great to watch your TH-cam channel. I just got a review from you regarding to Mano Ultra MK3 and now this WiiM Pro video. It makes me confused between the two to pick.
For the pricing WiiM Pro is 1/10 of the Mano Ultra MK3. I plan to use the Chord Quest for my DAC. Please be advised. Thanks!
The WiiM Pro is great for the money but there are better ones when you spend more. For instance the SOtM sMS-200, Yet another step up could be the Link Streamer. One step further up might come from Auralic and so on. For me it ends at the € 12.000 Grimm Audio. See the playlists I have made.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you Hans!
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hi Hans, first of all thank you for the great review. However, I am a bit confused now. If the cord qutest is used as a dac isn't the cord qutest responsible for the sound quality no matter how good the streamer is?
Hi Hans nice review, I'm curious where you bought and imported the Denafrip Ares, since I also live in Europe. Best regards.
I got it from Vinshine Audio in Singapore but nowadays they have offices in Europe and the US too. See www.vinshineaudio.com/shop?currency=EUR
The Wiim smartphone app works quite well so I cancelled my remote order. Its a great streamer fir only 150.00. Wiim also regularly updates the firmware to improve the user experience as needed.
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Really appreciate these insights. I've been thinking about building a Raspberry Pi with Allo BOSS DAC HAT, to achieve the same. Frankly at this price point, I'm wondering whether its worth the hassle of me trying - music quality/sound is a subjective topic, but I wonder how this would compare to my Sonos Playbar when it's played through a Cambridge audio AXA35 connected to a pair of Wharfedale 12.3 floor standers ... I'm guessing there is only one way to answer that question! Thanks for all you are doing in this community - thoroughly enjoying your content.😁
I have not reviewed these products so I really can''t say.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel completely understand. I thinks it’s a case for me to try and see. What I would say, is your insights intro the impact of cheap power supplies on technologies performance is fascinating. Digital equipment creates much noise on the ground circuits. I notice this when using guitar pedals.
So i guess it blows my Chromecast Ultra out of the water... But i still use my Oppo 105 for my wav files...i doubt i really need this but i could be wrong? 230 sadly in Canada with taxes or I'd get it right away. Thank you sir 🙏
If they have sufficient processing power, is there any audible difference in streamers if you only use them to feed the same external dac?
Yes, of course. It's not about power.
Thank you. Can you provide a link to the linear USB-C power supply you recommend? I’ve just ordered one to replace one of my two Amazon Links. Assuming it works well I will by a second one to replace my other Echo Link. On another setup I have a the older Bluesound Node 2i. I am hoping to use mine with Roon, Amazon Music HD, and Apple Music. All will use external DACs. Also is there a link to how you connect the music on your Synology device? I have used a QNAP with my Bluesound but just added a Synology DS-1522+. Thank you again. Hope this works out for me.
You find my reviews of power supplies here: th-cam.com/video/tCeSbOfqikw/w-d-xo.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Thanks for the review. Is it possible to stream an analogue source to a Google Nest Audio with te WiiM Pro?
I really don’t know. Sorry.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thnx for your reply.
I recently bought the WiiM Pro and have no regrets. Your comments simply reinforce my choice. Best bang for the buck.....ever!!
Thanks for this! I have my PC going into several systems downstairs via RCA to Cat6 back to RCA at each amp. I need something to "pipe" the music to an upstairs system. Will this fit the bill?
It will do the job as such and most likely sound better than your RCA/CAT6/RCA solution. But there is a limitation sound quality wise.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Bedanked and groeten! Better than my hard wires, "but there is a limitation sound-quality-wise?" Could you please explain? Also, would eliminating all my wires mean that for each system, I would require one streamer (per system)?
They have been promising Roon support for a while and saying it’s coming this month. Curious if that will make the streaming better. I guess my real question is: what is it about more expensive streamers that makes them sound better when streaming bit perfect digital to external dac? Why does that matter and how is the ‘bit perfect’ digital signal being degraded?
Bit perfect digital is only half the story. The other half is timing. The quality of the clock oscillator is critical to the sound. As is the power supply. Better streamers have better clocks and better power supplies. And if your streamer has an internal DAC, there opens again different levels of performance.
See the video from Hans: How digital can go wrong
@@brodricj3023 you know , I have at my light table next to my bed Tempotec serenade X streamer/dac/amp. Not super sound but ok for my budget space and expectations. It comes with an external power supply of 12 v dc. I have also an ifi ipower with that specs and really they sound THE SAME. Curious since I have dac Topping E50 and ifi I power LPS of 5v and it sounds BETTER with it than connecting to a conventional usb 5v charger. My question is… suppose you have a tv stick such as Amazon 4K max , should it sound better with LPS? I have not tried yet
it probably does. I expect it to give less micro judder; little ‘worm-like’ movements on the screen. And thus provide a sharper picture that is easier on the eye.
@@leonardopapantoniou4227 I use an SBooster external power supply with my Kaleidescape M300 player with very good results. Well worth the investment.
Hi Hans, I really like this channel, I have a Wavelength Cosecant usb dac with the renumarator and would like to get rid of my laptop for a good streamer, I've tried the bluesound node but they didn't work well together, sound cutting out, I know Melco works but I'm trying to keep the price down, any ideas would be appreciated, thanks, keep up the great work.
my pleasure.
I purchased a Pro a month ago and thought it was OK until I realized it DOES NOT play songs from an album on my Synology NAS in track order. I googled this issue on line and found out that this problem is common. WIIM was to have fixed this problem in April 2023. As we are all aware it is now early June and no fix is in site. If the problem is not corrected by the end of the summer I'll give this piece of junk away and purchase a Bluesound Streamer
Thanks for sharing
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Actually ended up purchasing an Eversolo DMP-A6. Overall I do like the A6. The minor issue I have with the A6 is that the software is a bit laggy when initially loading a list of my files when using an Android tablet. The NAS sourced files are immediately on unit itself so I am good with that minor issue. I do use the Wiim's on other amps in my home.
Interested! Will it work using jriver MC 31 installed on desktop computer? Right now I'm using chromecast audio as my streamer but I have no EQ. If Jriver works with wiim pro do you think the sound quality will improve? Thanks
I think it will
I just purchased the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus and connected them to the same amp via a mixer. I streamed the same song from amazon music and I did not hear any difference in the quality of sound. they both sound good. I'm I supposed to hear any difference between them?
You're not supposed to do anything by me. If you don't hear a difference, you're fine. Enjoy the music.
How do I stream my music library directly from an external drive (an SSD)? My iFi Zen streamer allows this.
Using a DLNA server program like MinimServer
Having no USB out is perhaps a deal breaker. If I’m not mistaken, connecting to an external DAC using USB would enable the clock of the DAC to be used. The clock in the Wiim Pro can’t be good due to its low price.
Using USB does indeed means that the clock in the DAC is used.It also means that the noisy power supply and clock signals in the source is likely disturbing the digital to analogue conversion, as I have explained in many videos. The best interface is the best BUILT interface, preferably on both sides of the cable.
Wait. You use Audirvana without a computer? I didn't understand what you said about the 3tb storage. Could you please explain? Thanks
No. I use Audirvana on a Mac and use a network bridge.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you. Been using the WIIM PRO since March of this year. It's connected to one of 3 DACs that are switched around depending on the music selected.
At night it's just a streamer to a Bluetooth speaker for talk radio. Thanks again
Also can it do Roon? I have Roon as you recommended and I do love it. Combined with HQPlayer amazing.
Not directly. You can use Apple Airplay or ChromeCa st as protocol. It is said they are working on Roon Ready support. It should become available via an update.
Thank you. Looking forward to the Holo audio RED review, if you can get one. It shows out of stock for me here in N.Y. Thanks again.
Do you think an Opticalrendu would sound better than the WiiM Pro? Thanks for this video!
Are you serious. Of course it is!!
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Just the confidence I was looking for! Thank you Hans! 😊
Is there another streamer with a 10-band EQ (or similar), a subwoofer out and a better DAC than the WiiM Pro?
That's a general question that's impossible to answer
For the money, I certainly know of none. I use two SVS SB-3000 subs, and you could easily hook those up to my WiiM Pro with some RCA y connectors. Then let the SVS handle the filtering. I have had a few streamers through here, and the WiiM is by far the best to date on many levels. The clincher is the ten band EQ. That alone takes the WiiM to levels most streamers will never attain.
Would you say the WIIM Pro is an upgrade from the DigiOne?
I reviewed the DigiOne here: th-cam.com/video/8Iey5yKd-p4/w-d-xo.html
Can I stream TH-cam music with it?
I'm not sure. I couldn't get it to work but perhaps I did something wrong.
Having using it for a while, recently it's software got crazy. Everything is upside down. Impossible to operate. Sent an email to their support with no reply from them. Is anyone encountered such a problem?
I certainly ain't. I consider it to be very robust.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
Well, good for you.
How do I connect wiim pro to external Dac? Which connection port should I use? Thanks
Optical or Coax, I prefer using the Coax out to my Gustard R26 Dac.
@@mikelanier5617 I'm also using R26, but R26 already has a Lan port
Watch the video
Coax sounded better than optical to us.
I purchased one and had nothing but problems. One of the worst audio purchases I have ever made. No customer service until they read my review on Amazon. At that point I had already returned to Amazon. The sound was very good
As you can see from other reactions here, that is atypical. Not saying it's your fault, more a question of bad luck.
I hate my Wiim Pro. It's a $150 paperweight. Total Disappointment. Connected my turntable per the instructions, and could only play it on a single echo. Was hoping for whole house play as promised by Wiim. After that failure, I tried streaming Amazon Music and Spotify to my Echo speakers around the house. Another huge fail. It didn't play at all. I'm shocked no one has come up with a way to play a turntable across a home network.
Sorry to hear
HDMI?
How about if you output its digital SPDIF into a reclocker first, then into DAC? Examples of high end reclockers: Ladder Handel, Mutec MC3+, Audiobyte HUB. Why would I do this: to take advantage of WiiM's excellent user interface and app. I do have a feeling that even the $$$ streamers will be improved by one of these reclockers.
Sure, but also reclockers come in qualities. And wouldn't it be better to start of with a streamer that has a proper digital output in stead of trying to repair a low quality output signal?