Been able to catch up on my shake and bake content! Glad I caught this one. I'll say the obvious 6.4 displacement is bigger there's more power that could be had over a 5.7 for sure.....For some reason I feel like there's still a little bit more the 5.7 can do that was left on the table before you swapped to the 6.4 like three pedal Jay said we're gonna keep things going for the RT guys 💪 * for those reading Id like to add the motive for my build is to see what the 5.7 platform maxed out can do, i'm not trying to have the fastest challenger
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Emmy tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000. I have been selling parts off of the RT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
I have a 2016 5.7 RT shaker, 6 speed manual. The build only started when I got the hemi tick and a lifter was failing. And Of course the warranty had expired. Added a Texas speed stage 3 cam kit with hellcat lifters. While I was at it I did headers, Flowmaster exhaust, and the shop did a great tune on it. It runs and sounds awesome. Made 420 to the rear wheels. Wasn’t gonna touch it, but man I’m glad I did.
The stand out difference between the two are the heads, 5.7 heads flow like 269 cfm versus the apache 6.4 340 cfm. That's a huge increase in flow and it's even amplified on boosted applications. The next thing that stands out is the strength of the BGE block, 5.7 tend to have cyclinder wall strength issues where the BGE does'nt. My son had his 5.7 block filled to help strengthen the walls to handle his twin turbo setup. At the end of the day, the 6.4 platform is just better. Was a very good move stepping up to the 6.4!
@ModernRedHemi I dont think you came off that way. Shake n bake is an original 5.7 car and not to mention how far you took that build. Its all love either way their both Hemi Engine's. This video will simplify the comparison for a lot of ppl who dont understand
I have a 21 rt plus with a mopar intake a mid muffler delete. I knew when I got it that it wasn’t the right platform for me to build to actually race because there are far better options…. BUT! It’s affordable, reliable, quick enough for the time being and loud as hell. I always get compliments. So have fun out there 5.7 fam, it’s a great car.
@@ModernRedHemi I know I watch your channel a lot. It’s like you said, a Scat just wasn’t in the books for me right now, I do well but I live well within my means. Besides, I REALLY don’t feel that a 110 more HP on this platform isn’t worth the 10-15k more price tag, AND the much higher insurance premium than its competitors. My R/T is a $100 more a month to insure than a C7 Corvette and I am not bullshitting you. I have a CDL with no record and I am 38 and married. I couldn’t believe it.
yo i have an rt plus as well, how much boost you running? Mine is stock atm, im torn between trading it in for a scatpack or modding it. hows it feel vs when it was stock? also why did you upgrade your brakes when the rt plus comes with brembos? also what differential did you upgrade to? mine came with the 3.09 LSD, can that not handle 500+WHP? Sorry for all the questions, im new :^)
@@vHeartAndS0ul theblackcarguru is high energy and funny. He'll tell you exactly what to get and were to get it! I wished I would've got 392 intake with active runners. Guaranteed 25hp
Our '14 Chrysler 300C has a 5.7 hemi that runs pretty darn snappy! Car is no slouch, it was faster than my 5.7 Challenger R/T 6 speed. We also have a '23 Chrysler 300C SRT limited production car that has the 6.4 hemi, it's in a whole different league! It hauls some serious ass! No comparison with the 6.4 making 110 more HP from the factory, but they are both excellent engines.
Yes, the 5.7 is no slouch and can make big power but the 6.4 has a much higher ceiling and is in a different league. As you state, I believe I did several times, both are great engines! 💪
6.4 makes more power, 5.7 still has its place though. 5.7 is the mopar equivalent to LS truck blocks, good factory internals and they go fast for cheap
I wish I saw this video back in april lol it's too late now though. Anyways, I'm looking up on suspension components. I'm going to redo most of it since it's pretty worn out now (2015 rt), but I'm not sure which sway bars or springs to get. My biggest issue is with the springs though, the only performance orientated springs lower the car. Does anyone know if there're some that leave the height alone? ..I added widebody wheels in the back & had to cut my fenders to make em fit. So if it went any lower, I'm pretty sure I'll be rubbing after hitting any bumps in the road. thanks for continuing to educate us btw
We about to see if a stock 6.4 can run 9s on a d1x 😂.. we are going to truly see what's better. Will macks camp have both stock block records? Only time will tell.. but I think the 6.4 is going to run a 9.7 and do it on 11psi or less.
It depends on what you want the 5.7 is a great motor even with slight mods and holds up damn well. Had a 2005 5.7 hemi stock bottom end built top with twin turbos that truck would take you cross country win money and bring you home without an issue. I have walked turbo 6.4 trucks. Making 30 psi with twin 88/96mm and a nos spool jet
i have an rt plus but am considering upgrading to a scatpack before modding. ive heard the 5.7 can safely handle 500-550hp, but how much can the scat handle? what would I need to do to the 6.4L in order to run more than 5psi of boost? is it just forging the rods+pistons in order to get more boost safely? i keep hearing online that the 6.4 doesnt handle boost very well, long term goal with the build is to whipple supercharge it at 12psi boost, any suggestions for a newbie?
The 5.7 can handle way more than that. We pushed over 900 on the stock bottom end and ran 9s. The 6.4, all you need is some drop ins and a cam and the sky is the limit. I just ran several 8s on that set up. It’s the stock pistons that hold the 6.4 back, once forged you’re good. 💪
I got my 16 rt + package 6 speed factory 3.90lsd Dss 4in aluminum 1 piece driveshaft Bmr rear cradle lockout kit Jlt series 2 cai Osc oil catch can Best pass on a bad transmission was 13.9 at 105mph 1.8 60ft .007 rt After new tr6060 Consistently 14.4 - 14.2 Car was at a 1/4 tank of fuel or less for all passes Long term goal is a supercharged 426 (71 rt challenger had a 426 option so I'm gonna replicate a 71 rt a little closer)
@@ModernRedHemii cant wait to get more done to my car and only being 25 it's hard to try and catch up to guys twice my age lmfao 9/10 times I'm the youngest at my local track
@@ModernRedHemi yeah im not sure theyre the same stroke for him. Stock stroke is 3.72. I think his 396* mmx build is a 4.08 stroke. 🤷♂️ -okay, thats the point youre making, the displacement comparison. Crap, thats a longer strroke than the boost famous 426. He honestly made a good choice with that combo on turbos
Boost is not apples to apples on different size engines. And what the hell man, running, say, a 9, anything outside the engine will experience the exact same loads if the acceleration is the same.
@Juice345Hemi the older gen 3s tend to fair better. My 14 starting ticking at 118,000kms just after the warranty expired but went to 260,000kms when the lifter finally wore down. Put a reman unit in and run 5w30 oil now.
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I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Emmy tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000. I have been selling parts off of the RT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Hemi tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000. I have been selling parts off of the SRT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Hemi tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000. I have been selling parts off of the SRT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
Been able to catch up on my shake and bake content! Glad I caught this one. I'll say the obvious 6.4 displacement is bigger there's more power that could be had over a 5.7 for sure.....For some reason I feel like there's still a little bit more the 5.7 can do that was left on the table before you swapped to the 6.4
like three pedal Jay said we're gonna keep things going for the RT guys 💪
* for those reading Id like to add the motive for my build is to see what the 5.7 platform maxed out can do, i'm not trying to have the fastest challenger
Thx man this video made me think swapping my Durango rt with a 392 engine but you’re comment made me realize the 5.7 is still a great engine
You know I still bleed 5.7😂 The 6.4 is just another level.
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Emmy tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000.
I have been selling parts off of the RT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell
If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
That's awesome brother! Would love to hear about the journey once you get it done! 💪
I have a 2016 5.7 RT shaker, 6 speed manual.
The build only started when I got the hemi tick and a lifter was failing. And Of course the warranty had expired.
Added a Texas speed stage 3 cam kit with hellcat lifters. While I was at it I did headers, Flowmaster exhaust, and the shop did a great tune on it.
It runs and sounds awesome. Made 420 to the rear wheels.
Wasn’t gonna touch it, but man I’m glad I did.
Yeah, that tick is tough but winding up with a 420hp car is pretty healthy and a lot of fun!💪
The stand out difference between the two are the heads, 5.7 heads flow like 269 cfm versus the apache 6.4 340 cfm. That's a huge increase in flow and it's even amplified on boosted applications. The next thing that stands out is the strength of the BGE block, 5.7 tend to have cyclinder wall strength issues where the BGE does'nt. My son had his 5.7 block filled to help strengthen the walls to handle his twin turbo setup. At the end of the day, the 6.4 platform is just better. Was a very good move stepping up to the 6.4!
All great points as well brother! I appreciate you keeping me right and informed and helping me learn more and more. 💪
We build cars you can daily. Lol. I want people to step their game up always. But don't compare if you can't drive it the same!
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Don't worry MRH, I'll pick up for the 5.7 community until I prove my point. I hold it down for the few . Great Video
Thanks brother! If not for the fiasco before Rocky Mountain Race Week, I'd probably still be 5.7 myself. 💪
There's no replacement for displacement ! Yes sir
I didn't mean for this to come across as me beating down the 5.7, it's a great platform in it's own right. 💪
@ModernRedHemi I dont think you came off that way. Shake n bake is an original 5.7 car and not to mention how far you took that build. Its all love either way their both Hemi Engine's. This video will simplify the comparison for a lot of ppl who dont understand
Thanks for the info
You're welcome brother! 💪
I have a 21 rt plus with a mopar intake a mid muffler delete. I knew when I got it that it wasn’t the right platform for me to build to actually race because there are far better options…. BUT! It’s affordable, reliable, quick enough for the time being and loud as hell. I always get compliments. So have fun out there 5.7 fam, it’s a great car.
Yes, the 5.7 is no slouch and plenty fast enough and a boat load of fun. I built mine over the last 7 1/2 years as I only recently went to a 6.4. 💪
@@ModernRedHemi I know I watch your channel a lot. It’s like you said, a Scat just wasn’t in the books for me right now, I do well but I live well within my means. Besides, I REALLY don’t feel that a 110 more HP on this platform isn’t worth the 10-15k more price tag, AND the much higher insurance premium than its competitors. My R/T is a $100 more a month to insure than a C7 Corvette and I am not bullshitting you. I have a CDL with no record and I am 38 and married. I couldn’t believe it.
Thanks for sharing. I have RT plus and procharger and upgrades to brakes and rear differential and axles with hubs. Cheaper insurance over scatpack
Yeah, I tried to stay away from the car conversation and keep it to the engines, but you are 10% correct. 💪
yo i have an rt plus as well, how much boost you running? Mine is stock atm, im torn between trading it in for a scatpack or modding it. hows it feel vs when it was stock? also why did you upgrade your brakes when the rt plus comes with brembos? also what differential did you upgrade to? mine came with the 3.09 LSD, can that not handle 500+WHP? Sorry for all the questions, im new :^)
@@vHeartAndS0ul theblackcarguru is high energy and funny. He'll tell you exactly what to get and were to get it! I wished I would've got 392 intake with active runners. Guaranteed 25hp
Our '14 Chrysler 300C has a 5.7 hemi that runs pretty darn snappy! Car is no slouch, it was faster than my 5.7 Challenger R/T 6 speed.
We also have a '23 Chrysler 300C SRT limited production car that has the 6.4 hemi, it's in a whole different league! It hauls some serious ass!
No comparison with the 6.4 making 110 more HP from the factory, but they are both excellent engines.
Yes, the 5.7 is no slouch and can make big power but the 6.4 has a much higher ceiling and is in a different league. As you state, I believe I did several times, both are great engines! 💪
Well at least ur old 5.7 made it to 9 seconds that’s real good
Yeah, if the circumstances would've been different, I'd still be pushing that 5.7. 😉
this was a great video, been wanting to hear your insight on this topic!
Like I said, car for car is a different conversation but engine for engine, it's hard to justify not going with a 6.4.😉
I've been waiting for this video!
Awesome, hopefully it made sense. 💪
5.7 all the way
You know I love the 5.7 as I spent 7 1/2 years taking it as far as I could. 💪
For me definitely the 392 Hemi V8 all day.
Engine for engine, it is a much better starting point with a higher ceiling. 💪
The 5.7 never gets any ❤️
Maybe you missed that last 7 1/2 years of me taking the 5.7 just about as far as it could go. 😉
6.4 makes more power, 5.7 still has its place though. 5.7 is the mopar equivalent to LS truck blocks, good factory internals and they go fast for cheap
Well said! 💪
I wish I saw this video back in april lol it's too late now though. Anyways, I'm looking up on suspension components. I'm going to redo most of it since it's pretty worn out now (2015 rt), but I'm not sure which sway bars or springs to get. My biggest issue is with the springs though, the only performance orientated springs lower the car. Does anyone know if there're some that leave the height alone? ..I added widebody wheels in the back & had to cut my fenders to make em fit. So if it went any lower, I'm pretty sure I'll be rubbing after hitting any bumps in the road. thanks for continuing to educate us btw
Yeah, this video has been long overdue. The Demon Killer springs keeps roughly the same ride height. 💪
We about to see if a stock 6.4 can run 9s on a d1x 😂.. we are going to truly see what's better. Will macks camp have both stock block records? Only time will tell.. but I think the 6.4 is going to run a 9.7 and do it on 11psi or less.
We will just have to see when you get'er done! 😂
It depends on what you want the 5.7 is a great motor even with slight mods and holds up damn well. Had a 2005 5.7 hemi stock bottom end built top with twin turbos that truck would take you cross country win money and bring you home without an issue. I have walked turbo 6.4 trucks. Making 30 psi with twin 88/96mm and a nos spool jet
100% brother. The 5.7 by no means is a bad platform, I ran and built it for 7 1/2 years because I believed in it. 💪
If and when my 5.7 dies that is currently FBO and cammed, it will be replaced with a 6.4 in my ram 1500
Yeah, I do love the 5.7 but the 6.4 is on a total different level when built. 😉
I’m trying to figure out how less boost but the same or more power is less strain on the drivetrain
I actually misspoke. It's less strain on the valvetrain not the drivetrain. Good catch and thanks for calling it out! 💪
i have an rt plus but am considering upgrading to a scatpack before modding. ive heard the 5.7 can safely handle 500-550hp, but how much can the scat handle? what would I need to do to the 6.4L in order to run more than 5psi of boost? is it just forging the rods+pistons in order to get more boost safely? i keep hearing online that the 6.4 doesnt handle boost very well, long term goal with the build is to whipple supercharge it at 12psi boost, any suggestions for a newbie?
The 5.7 can handle way more than that. We pushed over 900 on the stock bottom end and ran 9s. The 6.4, all you need is some drop ins and a cam and the sky is the limit. I just ran several 8s on that set up. It’s the stock pistons that hold the 6.4 back, once forged you’re good. 💪
None, but just the 6.2 Hemi V8 all day!
The 6.2 is also a good choice, but still lower in displacement than a 6.4. Both have high ceilings though! 💪
I got my 16 rt + package 6 speed factory 3.90lsd
Dss 4in aluminum 1 piece driveshaft
Bmr rear cradle lockout kit
Jlt series 2 cai
Osc oil catch can
Best pass on a bad transmission was 13.9 at 105mph
1.8 60ft
.007 rt
After new tr6060
Consistently 14.4 - 14.2
Car was at a 1/4 tank of fuel or less for all passes
Long term goal is a supercharged 426 (71 rt challenger had a 426 option so I'm gonna replicate a 71 rt a little closer)
Sounds like a pretty sweet build! 💪
@@ModernRedHemii cant wait to get more done to my car and only being 25 it's hard to try and catch up to guys twice my age lmfao 9/10 times I'm the youngest at my local track
15psi/75 shot for the 9.9 the build 5.7 saw like 20psi+ and still wasn't close to the 6.4
True statement. 💪
For me and for my 5.7 challenger I only want at list 500 hp that’s all
100% possible. Just make sure you build it the right way. 💪
Id expect that if you stroked the 5.7 into a 5.9 with the 392's stroke, itll feel the same as a 6.4 with appropriate boost. Its all about the stroke.
Perfect question for R/T Life. He has both a stroked 5.7 to a 5.9 and a 6.4 Scat Pack. 💪
@@ModernRedHemi yeah im not sure theyre the same stroke for him. Stock stroke is 3.72. I think his 396* mmx build is a 4.08 stroke. 🤷♂️ -okay, thats the point youre making, the displacement comparison.
Crap, thats a longer strroke than the boost famous 426. He honestly made a good choice with that combo on turbos
All these people wanna build power no money, no effort. Bro, build your car all the big boys are running built 6.4.
That's true but I still like the 5.7 as an underdog! There truly is no replacement for displacement. 💪
Boost is not apples to apples on different size engines. And what the hell man, running, say, a 9, anything outside the engine will experience the exact same loads if the acceleration is the same.
100%. That was my point. Bigger engines with same boost will make more power or you can make the same power with less boost. 😉
Both eat lifters for breakfast so neither.
That is true of the older models but once built correctly, they can't be beat. 😉
I have a 08 with 150k miles no lifters problems at all
@Juice345Hemi the older gen 3s tend to fair better. My 14 starting ticking at 118,000kms just after the warranty expired but went to 260,000kms when the lifter finally wore down. Put a reman unit in and run 5w30 oil now.
I’m selling my 5.7 lol
You really can't go wrong with either engine.
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Ok, thanks. Here is fine.
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I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Emmy tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000.
I have been selling parts off of the RT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell
If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Hemi tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000.
I have been selling parts off of the SRT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell
If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap
I am currently doing a 6.4 swap into a 2014 charger pursuit. I paid $1500 for the charger with the dreaded Hemi tick and I found a wrecked SRT grand Cherokee for $3000.
I have been selling parts off of the SRT to the tune of $2500 so far and still have more parts to sell
If all goes well, I will have no money into the swap