The Biggest Training Fallacy of All (Audio Only)

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  • @chrism5487
    @chrism5487 6 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    Even when Rip is narrating and he wasn't asked a damn question, you can hear him occasionally sigh as if he's wondering why you're so goddamn stupid that he has to tell you the things he's telling you. lol. I love it.

    • @JohnnyRay920
      @JohnnyRay920 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think that's just how people talk where he's from. I know another guy from that area and he talks the same way.

  • @linoazzurro
    @linoazzurro 7 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Rip should be an audiobook reader. Look into it.

    • @patrickcooney1725
      @patrickcooney1725 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      For real he sounds like a pro

    • @jonathanasdell4539
      @jonathanasdell4539 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like a co-producer of the Khan Academy videos. Sal is that you?

  • @BenboFoSho
    @BenboFoSho 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I thought i knew shit but this channel has completely changed my perspective on training, thank you for all the videos and audio books Rip 👌🏼👌🏼 just after a few months all my lifts are at a PB and still increasing without fail. And ive been training (badly obviously) for 3-4 years

  • @TheHaiku2
    @TheHaiku2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    So SS is now telling me how to tan properly? So now i can get jacked and tanned? I'm starting a tanning LP tomorrow. I'm going to start with 10 minutes, and then add 5 minutes per session at 3 sessions per week. I assume I'll need to do the GOSAD (gallon of sunscreen a day) as well. How soon will the book and seminar be updated to reflect the tanning protocol? By the way, this is satire of course. I'm a massive fan of Starting Strength, and Mark.

    • @VegetoStevieD
      @VegetoStevieD 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @tolbydamit
      @tolbydamit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for tacking on that it's satire. Like how Jonathan Swift added to the end of Modest Proposal: "By the way, I am not serious about eating babies. It's satire."

    • @superbob8791
      @superbob8791 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheHaiku2 *GSD 'of' and 'a' wouldn't be included in the acronym :p

  • @crossfitglenburnie2221
    @crossfitglenburnie2221 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks Rip. Clearest explanation of adaptation I have ever heard.

  • @user-wc1em7pc2p
    @user-wc1em7pc2p 7 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Rip I want you to narrate my eulogy when I die doing my fives.

    • @jackcarter6629
      @jackcarter6629 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You mean Rippe.

    • @MLDRBRY
      @MLDRBRY 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jack Carter Nope. He’s Rip

    • @4ndr3c3s4r1n0
      @4ndr3c3s4r1n0 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Here lies Fred, who died in a squat because he lacked hwip draaaaahve!

    • @charlesfisher3983
      @charlesfisher3983 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      4ndr3c3s4r1n0 hyip*

    • @g.ieronymidis
      @g.ieronymidis 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@charlesfisher3983 heap*

  • @dawgyv72
    @dawgyv72 7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Cool hwip.

  • @redbrick341
    @redbrick341 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never heard this concept explained better.

  • @anaritamorim
    @anaritamorim 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "..or you sincerest hope that it'll get stronger."
    So on point (and sooo funny)

  • @theearthisplane1238
    @theearthisplane1238 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    you can't build muscle by hopes? well shit

  • @Aldonlifts
    @Aldonlifts 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just finished starting strength, i love the tanning analogy

  • @BluegillGreg
    @BluegillGreg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Okay, you're right about strength training. However, if you start sunbathing 5 weeks before the solstice and submit your skin to a stimulus that's strengthening for five weeks until June 21st, the melanin adaptation will continue to progress. It's like a linear novice progression, keeping the volume constant while increasing the intensity.

  • @gymintuition9232
    @gymintuition9232 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man! I was just working through this as a theorem yesterday...Volume vs Volume!!!

  • @charlesacaranci9039
    @charlesacaranci9039 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is great reminds me of my Dad or Grandfather

  • @ggrthemostgodless8713
    @ggrthemostgodless8713 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just remember that ANALOGIES are approximations to the issue being discussed, for clarity's sake, there is always a discrepancy, however small, to the actual issue being explained, otherwise you WOULDN'T need an analogy. Thus GOOD analogies work best.
    A good MENTAL exercise is to try and find in which ways (however small) the analogy does NOT fit the issue being discussed, not an easy thing to do at all with GOOD analogies, but you discover how the analogy doesn't fit into the issue or even if the fix is true for it. The worst are NOT the really obvious analogies, but the mediocre ones that contain just enough facts or truths in them to fit into the issue being discussed, those are the ones that do a lot of damage, because most people take them at face value as EQUAL to the issue in question, and the tend to say they are the same and not approximations to it, or SIMILARITIES to the issue that the analogy is supposed to clarify.
    Te suntan analogy is GOOD, but it is not EXACTLY the SAME as the issue of physiological adaptation within the weight TRAINING arena; it is only SIMILAR to it. Though Rip here in all good intentioned sense says that weight training works EXACTLY the SAME as the suntan analogy. The EQUAL side of it all are that BOTH are in fact physiological adaptations to stress, different stresses though. I know I am nit picking though, and Rip hates that shit.
    Adaptations occurred in ideas or physical things, cultural things and environmental things. Some people revolt and hate that stress and go back to their old known ways, and some adapt, the level of adaptation varies according to the innate factors of the person, in the case of cultural adaptation, it is the ideas already THERE that will decide that.
    In the gym, your DNA will MOSTLY decide the limits of the adaptation. Most people never even get close to those limits though.
    The brain is a PROTECTION organ, so when the bar gets heavy, the brain revolts and does NOT want to get under it, let alone do reps with it, specially that first set, most people obey that order, the "advanced" trainee takes it into account and with careful safe technique does it anyhow. Your brain will tell you your back will get fucked, you didn't sleep well, or that two days rest is not enough, or that you ate shit for breakfast, or ..... so you need to remember that, IF YOU LIFTED THIS WEIGHT A WEEK AGO OR SO, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT TODAY, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING MOSTLY EQUAL. Thus this adaptation thing become more MENTAL than physical most times.

  • @xxistrong4643
    @xxistrong4643 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This is totally ASMR.

    • @ooo-rl7zt
      @ooo-rl7zt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Search ... Jason blaha .. Whispery 5x5 with accessory work

    • @japonicaren
      @japonicaren 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +0o0o0o0 oh god no!

  • @coachmyelinfit
    @coachmyelinfit ปีที่แล้ว

    Never gets old.

  • @Magneticlaw
    @Magneticlaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This lines up very closely with the training principals of Mr Mike Mentzer as well - so much of people's time could be saved if they only got their heads around these facts.

    • @LTPottenger
      @LTPottenger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You also need occasional breaks for a few weeks too.

  • @Francesco-cj3oi
    @Francesco-cj3oi ปีที่แล้ว

    I just realized that the preview of this video has a typo, it says "Training" twice

  • @NopeNope78
    @NopeNope78 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I would like to hear Coach Rip on an advanced subject/program/movement tweak and tips. Most of his videos are for beginners

  • @jeremyjeremy8795
    @jeremyjeremy8795 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So I've had the argument with people forever who say that you constantly have to do different exercises all the time to make gains. I've always said that all you need to do is progressively and continually increase load and volume.
    What say you?

    • @Hanuman_
      @Hanuman_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You cannot infinitely increase volume, as recovery is finite. You have to increase the intensity of the stress, and/or increase your recovery time (meaning days not in the gym) when you stop progressing. Re listen to the video when rip is talking about carefully monitoring intensity and volume.

    • @sawoop3856
      @sawoop3856 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah , sometimes even your exercises have to change due to the repeated bout effects.

    • @georgiosdoumas2446
      @georgiosdoumas2446 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can say this (only my logical thinking here, I am no gymnastic expert, or trainer/coach, just an amateur athlete that has studied physics) : For all exercises there are muscles that are getting more load during the exercise and other muscles that are getting less load (and when I say "more" or "less" load , I mean compared to the max load that this muscle can achieve). So lets say that you are a beginner and you start benchpress. In the first months, you can increase the weight almost every 2 weeks , sometimes you increase the repetitions by 1-2 before you actually increase the weight on the next training session (just to be sure that you have got a little stronger, by performing 2 more reps you assure yourself that you have gotten stronger and mentally/psychologically you are ready to increase the weight on the next training day). So your chest muscles are getting stronger, your triceps are getting stronger, your grip is getting stronger the ability of your back to feel the punching pressure while it is pushed on the "bed" is getting better , etc. And then you hit a plateau. You cannot increase the reps for this weight, maybe on some of your days (when you are feeling really good) you can do 1 more rep (lets say 9 instead of 8), but not everytime. So you try to increase the weight by 5 kgs , and you see the reps are dropping a lot (they go to not only 7-8 but they go to 5). A first measure is to change your program for a few weeks and concentrate on even heavier weights for only 3-4 reps, until you get used to this higher weights. But after that you may get another plateau. So what then? What is causing your limit? Maybe it is because some of the muscles participating in the exercise are getting tired before some other muscles, so these muscles are getting stronger/adapted in a better rate compared to the other (the supplementary muscles lets say) , so you have to do a different exercise to target those supplementary muscles more specifically. That is why it may be useful to put a variety of exercises, do not do only bench press, do some double-bar dips, do some flies with free weights, do some inclined benchpress. Variety is good.

  • @bigmember5908
    @bigmember5908 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wish he had gone into a bit on what to do when you do hit a bump in the road and can't increase, there are a lot of options but I'd be interested in knowing which ones he favors/supports

    • @joelhenderson3723
      @joelhenderson3723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Generally, do what you aren't. So if you've been steadily increasing weight but plateau, try backing off the intensity in exchange for either more volume per workout or higher frequency (usually one or the other, not both). If your training volume is already high, reduce reps or sets (sometimes both) and go for a bit higher weight.

  • @KimTownsel
    @KimTownsel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Many thanks! That's what I needed to hear this week. :-)

  • @nakefatty9167
    @nakefatty9167 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    If starting strength doesn't work for you then you must be an iron albino. Do you even tan bro?

  • @overthebar
    @overthebar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    double training in the thumbnail

  • @TigerMeadows
    @TigerMeadows 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When Rip does training, it's not just training, it's training training!

  • @ultrafloss492
    @ultrafloss492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you uncle Ripper

  • @0vermars520
    @0vermars520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Starting Tan 5x5

  • @sghost128
    @sghost128 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The biggest tanning fallacy of all.
    FTFY.

  • @Pope2501
    @Pope2501 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thumbnail says,"The Biggest Training Training Fallacy of All."
    Yes, "training" repeats! Kind of cool to find.

  • @Theplaymaker1271
    @Theplaymaker1271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like the explaination of tanning in the first two minutes is something I subconsciously understood but never bothered to validate

  • @ig681
    @ig681 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great talk, thank you.

  • @Hanuman_
    @Hanuman_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is gold!
    Too many more is better idiots will dislike this and never reach their goals.

  • @LTPottenger
    @LTPottenger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My skin doesn't adapt to the sun it just gives up and dies.

  • @tommyharris5817
    @tommyharris5817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video tells you that you need to increase the stress progressively to stop the adaptation

  • @wedgiessuck
    @wedgiessuck 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Ha ha ha what a story mark

  • @jsanders299
    @jsanders299 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought you tube was a VIDEO site? Now it is a radio?

  • @shepatown
    @shepatown 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned something from this. Thanks!
    From fatness to fitness.

  • @Tim3is
    @Tim3is 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gold.

  • @thewarky
    @thewarky 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    really good thanks a lot

  • @Hempflakes
    @Hempflakes 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Love how rip refers to benching 225 as if its a casual thing. Ive been progressively training bench for 9 months and i cant bench 225 (ive still been progressing though)

    • @kreed1004
      @kreed1004 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      try 230

    • @kon4lyfe460
      @kon4lyfe460 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      9 months? depending how heavy you are its going to take longer than that! It took me a little over a year to hit it for a single rep

    • @AmericanTestConstitution
      @AmericanTestConstitution 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      maybe you try different stuff, try this: make your lats, squats, triceps and biceps as strong as possible. then for chest exercises do zero barbell flat presses, just do dumbbells. after 8 weeks go back to doing flat barbell benches. the guy who gave me that tip weighed 220 and benched 410 and he did not look like he used roids.

    • @TheCompanion-gx5bz
      @TheCompanion-gx5bz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you asked yourself Rip's Three Questions?

    • @mantexas9033
      @mantexas9033 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hempflakes put down the hemp* and eat fatty cuts of steak?

  • @JuhQman
    @JuhQman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The biggest training training fallacy of them all?

  • @keithbarbaro7590
    @keithbarbaro7590 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    LOL @ benching every Monday and Friday.
    That's the ultimate bro split these days. Chest and arms 2x week.

    • @theavenger1500
      @theavenger1500 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bro split is 1 muscle group or bodypart per day once a week. Chest and arms 2x a week is good as you can have higher volume and adequate recovery

    • @MrDanielWP
      @MrDanielWP 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theavenger1500 And, once a weak is popular among guys on PEDs, because they can recover from more severe stress on their muscles. So, they are doing 25 sets of 10-12 or even 20 reps in a single day, for a single muscle group, once per week.

  • @jackofmosttrades9127
    @jackofmosttrades9127 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does one get better at doing push-ups? Since the resistance (your own body weight) cannot be adjusted like the resistance on the barbell. Does increasing your bench press for sets of 5 increase your total number of possible push-ups in a single set?

    • @Ibrahim_Kizmaz_
      @Ibrahim_Kizmaz_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Getting better at push-ups could be somehing technical rather than adding weight. For example, if you feel push-ups are easy you could progress further into handstand- or planche pushups. That's a way of progressing with bodyweight exercises imo.
      Strength is just the force you are able to produce and apply. So therefore i believe the bench press has a carryover to push-ups. Just keep your bodyweight lean, it's harder doing pushups if you're a fat guy 😂

    • @michaelmorris9546
      @michaelmorris9546 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No John, that will not. Increasing your bench press for sets of 5 will increase force production, not endurance. Sure, you will be stronger, and a few more pushups will probably be possible, but these are two different adaptations (which he mentions in the audio program). If your goal is to do more pushups in a single set, you need to slowly and progressively increase volume during pushup workouts (increase reps and/or sets...ideally reps). Comes back to training specificity.

    • @jackofmosttrades9127
      @jackofmosttrades9127 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He mentions that cyclists who gets stronger by squatting will perform better in a test of endurance because every rep pressing down on the pedal will be a smaller percentage of their total strength. Would it not follow that if you increased your bench press strength, your endurance doing push-ups will increase because every time you press your body up it will be a smaller percentage of your overall strength? I'm curious to hear Rippetoe's opinion.

    • @michaelmorris9546
      @michaelmorris9546 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just listen from 5:20 to 5:35. He says that doing sets of 20 and sets of singles are very different, and you don't get better at doing one by practicing the other. I must have missed where he talks about a stronger squat will translate to a cyclist. He mentions cyclists at about the 12:00 mark, but not again that I'm aware of. Can you point me to the portion of the audio that you are referencing..?

    • @jackofmosttrades9127
      @jackofmosttrades9127 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's in a different video. I don't know where exactly. He often uses the cyclist as an example of how increasing general strength makes everything in life easier to include tests of endurance. I'll share a link if I find it.

  • @runbarefoot2684
    @runbarefoot2684 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Re: Prefer the article as this is too long. Get to the point quicker please.
    I do not agree with the above point.
    "Mark is thorough."
    William Rachello is right. It is not long, in fact it is attentive to accuracy and detail.
    Thank you so much for Mark's complete article about the distinction between ordinary workout(exercise) and athletic training!
    Barefoot runner

  • @qwertyuiop-cu2ve
    @qwertyuiop-cu2ve 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I increase the rest between sets every week I bench press so I can bragg to everyone how I"m doing longer and longer bench press workouts.
    I do these workouts about once or per month or every other month, currently my workouts are about 8 hours long. Bench press workouts are my favourite because I can lay down all the time.
    When people ask me workout advice I tell them to increase their rest times as it's the best advice I"ve ever gotten from Mark Rippetoe, the best strength coach in the history of mankind.

    • @Hanuman_
      @Hanuman_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      qwert yuiop did u even listen to Mark....

  • @Christisking460
    @Christisking460 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Copied the suntan analogy from Mike Mentzer smh

  • @MrDanielWP
    @MrDanielWP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New lifters get stronger fast because they don't have much muscle mass to repair, so it's relatively easy for the body to repair and adapt at that point. The more muscle mass you carry, the more diminishing returns you get.

    • @JohnnyRay920
      @JohnnyRay920 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But here's the thing, I've known guys over the years that were strong as hell in the gym, but have no size to speak of. Just looking at them, you'd never guess that they even workout. I'm not sure why. Genetics maybe. Poor diet maybe. But probably has something to do with rep range. If you do low reps, you'll get stronger, but you won't necessarily get bigger.

    • @MrDanielWP
      @MrDanielWP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnnyRay920 I know what you mean about little guys. There is a neurological component to increasing weight and some guys are able to get a lot of strength through that, usually by progressive sets at low reps with less than optimal nutrition or volume. That has be partly genetic. However, Brian Shaw is evidence low rep ranges still make you big, especially with enough nutrition.

  • @anonymousSyllabic
    @anonymousSyllabic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fucking GOLD

  • @snorman1911
    @snorman1911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My skin never gets darker no matter how much sun I get :(

  • @IAmNotARobotPinkySwear
    @IAmNotARobotPinkySwear 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just discovered this channel. I think I have a lot of catching up to do, yikes.

  • @BryonLape
    @BryonLape 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Technically, your skin is still pink.

    • @bobtroti5581
      @bobtroti5581 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bryon Lape wat if im a nigga

  • @user-gj1no3ux7n
    @user-gj1no3ux7n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just disliked after 5 seconds because of the hot girl thumbnail that had nothing to do with the video :)

  • @missano3856
    @missano3856 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually you DO get darker from repeated short sun exposure, consider this tanning salons have a max time but if you go every day you get darker than if you go once a week.

  • @MrRyan1011
    @MrRyan1011 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Rippetoe is such an angry old man

  • @Pit-Boss1977
    @Pit-Boss1977 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    R.I.P. has a lot of mentzer in his teachings

    • @lancastergerard
      @lancastergerard 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mick Flinn yep. I read similar analogy in mentzers h.i.t. but using it to illustrate over training

  • @sergiogodoy340
    @sergiogodoy340 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You said in the forums that the skin doesn't respond like the muscle. So?

  • @carpediemcotidiem
    @carpediemcotidiem 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Prefer the article as this is too long. Get to the point quicker please.

    • @emailjwr
      @emailjwr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      trying playing at 2x speed

    • @carpediemcotidiem
      @carpediemcotidiem 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good suggestion. Thanks.

    • @VegetoStevieD
      @VegetoStevieD 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      NO! I'd prefer to listen to Mark talk for longer periods, not shorter. It's better than listening to Morgan Freeman!

    • @williamrachello3699
      @williamrachello3699 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Mark is thorough. He is exact in his choice of words and every statement is backed by decades of experience. I'm glad he doesn't water down his content just so people with short attention spans don't complain.

    • @carpediemcotidiem
      @carpediemcotidiem 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You make a good point. I enjoyed the unedited article which I can absorb quicker as we can read far faster than he can talk. I just prefer more concise material on TH-cam.

  • @garmezparks2080
    @garmezparks2080 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    :: listens for 3mins :: THIS is one of the whiteset of whites things Ive ever heard in this industry, being put forth as an anology. The fact that its been up this long, speaks volumes.

  • @Anti-Groomer
    @Anti-Groomer ปีที่แล้ว

    ....but you WOULD get tanner each day so that kind of messes it up. With exercise he is dead-on but obviously he doesn't tan much (nor do I but common sense). You wouldn't double your tan each day because of your body's adaptations but I'd guess you'd grow 20-30% more tan each consecutive day until the first tan starts to fade. Barbell training isn't tanning. You cannot do 100 sets of 5lb curls a day for a year and expect growth. I fell into the "same workout every day" mentality for a while. I'd try to grow one or two lifts but never consistently. I'd add a ton of sets and hit the muscle at a thousand angles and I did get big but not strong. Now I am getting strong and somewhat bigger.