A very good introduction explaining the three positions of a driver relative to frequency (cycle). It is truly remarkable what a DD has to do to reproduce the wide range of frequencies in the physical sense. As you go on to to say, planars have the 'theoretical' advantage in most indices of sound reproduction resulting in a more natural sound. Implementation is critical in achieving this advantage. To that end, an excellent review of these IEMs against that criteria. Very succinct.
Toddler-like breakdown lmao. There's that one dude, probably a KZ/CCA representative that kept crying on C.A.R. fb group even to these days everytime delta or some other guy reviews it and the result is against their favor
Hi quality review as usual, I like the fact that you are saying people must also wait for other reviews on this. Great explanation on the DD characteristics by the way, keep doing what you do man, we like it.
Good explanation bro! In another short review, I saw that elevation in the bass and it seemed very strange to me, this being a planar. Let's hope KZ/CCA doesn't want to cheat again...
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews As always for past 6 years living in mother Russia ;))) Could you please tell a few words about comparison between PLA13/TRN ST5/Truthear Zero, which one can be a smooth bassy daily driver?
@@User-s2f3s Truth Zero. ST5 is intense and grainy fatiguing 🤢 PLA 13 is warm and boomy Truthear is best of 3. If you want to add some midbass to subwoofer you can make it a lot better than the other 2
i think est does treble the best, ba mids and dd for lows. reason i say this i have TRI I3, which uses planar for highs and it sounds really off (timbre and tonality)
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Yeah I will get the Moondrop Dawn to use on my new phone and looking into some planars,hope the stellaris doesn't have the paint problem of Moondrop.
Great vid love the reference with the car audio coming from 25years of making cars sound great people have no idea how challenging that is considered your sitting on one side and the time alignment needs to be considered! IEM's are easy .... If you don't mess it up. LOL
I was in audio installation and security systems for a while. A well done car audio system is just about as good as it gets. Never used so much Math in my life as I did then
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews so right never would have thought those long equations we were leaning in school would ever come in handy LOL . Thiel Small equations and box volume, port velocity I still use those every time I redo the cars! Right on Bro 👍
Heyo! I wonder, is it possible to get a updated list of the best Sub Bass Cannons? Paper Test and everything done :) Wanna get one like the SZ2000 but easier to find :). Is the HS60 Haptic (Uses Taction Tech) a good option?
Screen this. If they ever plot this it sounds like the low end (where distortion is usually the highest %) is into the mids or beyond common/avg sets. It's audible. Bit too much fuzz
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I live in Canada. They have universal demos. I’ve read about CFA sending out universal demos and the existence of a universal fit in Asia. Disclaimer. I just took delivery of ciem version.
Very good explanation about dynamic drivers. These analog components are indeed amazing, vinyl records also fall in this fascinating category. Please correct me if I say anything wrong, I will give it a thought comparing to the basics of music: Pitch, Dynamic, Duration (or Rhythm) and Timbre. The frequency of the diaphragm excursion (movement) gives us the pitch (bass, mids and treble or how low or high a note is). The amount of the excursion (amplitude) would give us the volume (intensity of sound), right? The Duration or Rhythm of the beat are already implied (kind of embedded) into the excursion, but looking at it in a longer time frame. What is really mind blowing is how the 4th element (timbre) comes into the equation. How can a diaphragm produce it all together and also gives us the characteristic sound (timbre) of a voice, guitar, piano, flute, etc. We know it may be the complexity of the wave, harmonics interacting, the fact that the diaphragm excursion vibrates differently in the center and near the edge and so on... But still, what an incredible phenomenon... A simple piece of layer of material can reproduce (and differentiate) any timbre... any voice of 7 billion different people have its single and unique sound signature reproduced analogically to the source. No wonder again why we call it signature! Instead of writing with a pen, it is written through the sound.
Tuning a planar driver to sounds like a DD. why don't use DD to begin with. KZ tuners love that DD bass and keep trying to introduce it to other drivers. from the all-BA AST where the elevate it soo much to ensure it doesn't "feel" like BA bass, to this. But if Cheap planar is not as fast as the mid level, i can understand why Kinera add BA to help with the transients.
Curious if you checked response to mid bass EQ as you did with zero. Doesn't clean up? I didn't like dioko so it's gonna be $65 planar now vs save up for hook x or wait for the chifi unicorn.
Makes sense. I have pla13 on the way about a week now. I'm too curious and so far am a v shape tune preferring barbarian. I will be comparing it to down budget DD sets, ety er2xr etc looking for a strong technical delta.
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I got my unit, now I have to agree 100% with your take. Other recent $20-30 CRA / KZ 1 DD sets are more interesting, more pleasing and similarly detailed. So it's not well placed sound or value proposition even among their own offerings. I may be a chifi cheapskate stuck waiting for planar but pla13 goes back...
Dang. I thought I'd get away with a cheap $50 planar but nope. Seems like I'll either have to save or wait for the Kinera Celes gumiho and just hope it delivers TvT.
Thanks for the review..looks like they’ve reproduced the worst aspect of a dynamic ………why 🤦🏽♂️ S12 with Final Audio E’s tips helps bring the thunder 😋 Great review as always ☕️🤘☕️
Damn… I was super excited for those after seeing your graph but if it doesn’t sound life planar, that sucks. I have always some doubts when it comes to those cheap Chifi. I don’t doubt it’s not even real planar. I hope some other company makes a planar IEM for bass lovers.
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I doubt that though. The FR graph looks like a totally normal KZ IEM. If it's defective, most likely the graph would reflect that. So yeah, just another KZ release I guess.
If it sounds like a DD and its from a KZ brand probably there is a DD somewherw inside this set or they are justa calling this a new kind of DD that will be called planar hahaha
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews It’s tuning is really interesting to me, and it’s open back… been trying to find a used set for a good price haha seems most people who buy them love them. Wish it was easier to try stuff before I buy stuff lol I guess that’s part of the fun.
Seriously THANK U for giving the explanation on the DD driver !!!! it Very helpful to newcomer like me !!
No prob. Amazing little wonder that thing is. It's design has limitations particularly when the bass gets boosted
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Planar bass is not natural like DD, maybe KZ keeps the natural sound of bass frequencies
>p>pp
A very good introduction explaining the three positions of a driver relative to frequency (cycle). It is truly remarkable what a DD has to do to reproduce the wide range of frequencies in the physical sense. As you go on to to say, planars have the 'theoretical' advantage in most indices of sound reproduction resulting in a more natural sound. Implementation is critical in achieving this advantage. To that end, an excellent review of these IEMs against that criteria. Very succinct.
Congrats on this review causing KZ to have toddler like breakdown on social media. Thanks for keeping it honest, and keep it up.
Thanks man. Yeah, that went sideways quick
Toddler-like breakdown lmao. There's that one dude, probably a KZ/CCA representative that kept crying on C.A.R. fb group even to these days everytime delta or some other guy reviews it and the result is against their favor
Ser, you are my reference, seriously I’ve learned so much from your videos that I won’t be able to pay you back. I really appreciate what you do
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Hi quality review as usual, I like the fact that you are saying people must also wait for other reviews on this. Great explanation on the DD characteristics by the way, keep doing what you do man, we like it.
Thank you bro. I appreciate you watching
Truly impressed with explanation for hertz😮
Good explanation bro! In another short review, I saw that elevation in the bass and it seemed very strange to me, this being a planar. Let's hope KZ/CCA doesn't want to cheat again...
Thanks bro. Doubt they are cheating but the graph is not accounting for distortion or something? Sounds hazy hazy.
I will wait for other reviews, because I have a 7hz Dioko and I don't see any advantage in buying the CCA PLA13 at this moment.
Hola amigo me podrias sacar de una duda cual suena mejor los CCA PLA 13 o los VENTURE BIE PRO??
I am waiting for 1 dd as a subwoofer and planar for mids and trebles. Whoa it should be great
Nice avatar my man That does sound like a nice configuration
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews As always for past 6 years living in mother Russia ;))) Could you please tell a few words about comparison between PLA13/TRN ST5/Truthear Zero, which one can be a smooth bassy daily driver?
@@User-s2f3s Truth Zero. ST5 is intense and grainy fatiguing 🤢 PLA 13 is warm and boomy Truthear is best of 3. If you want to add some midbass to subwoofer you can make it a lot better than the other 2
i think est does treble the best, ba mids and dd for lows. reason i say this i have TRI I3, which uses planar for highs and it sounds really off (timbre and tonality)
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Thank you!
Well I will be waiting for the Moondrop Stellaris review
I knew these CCA PLA13 wouldn't be all that.
I'm looking forward to that Moondrop too
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews
Yeah
I will get the Moondrop Dawn to use on my new phone and looking into some planars,hope the stellaris doesn't have the paint problem of Moondrop.
Great video man! Love the dd explanation. Thanks
Thanks Ben🙌
What do you think is the best budget planar iem? from 50-100(can extend up to 20-30)bucks
Great vid love the reference with the car audio coming from 25years of making cars sound great people have no idea how challenging that is considered your sitting on one side and the time alignment needs to be considered! IEM's are easy .... If you don't mess it up. LOL
I was in audio installation and security systems for a while. A well done car audio system is just about as good as it gets. Never used so much Math in my life as I did then
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews so right never would have thought those long equations we were leaning in school would ever come in handy LOL . Thiel Small equations and box volume, port velocity I still use those every time I redo the cars! Right on Bro 👍
@@jasonschabler3003 🧠📚🎶🎵🔊👌
Heyo! I wonder, is it possible to get a updated list of the best Sub Bass Cannons? Paper Test and everything done :)
Wanna get one like the SZ2000 but easier to find :). Is the HS60 Haptic (Uses Taction Tech) a good option?
I see you comparing with 5 other iems. And what those costs compared to pla ?
Hey HBB, would you consider the Variations or Clairvoyance worthy upgrades to the S12 or should I just save up and buy MEST MKII?
We need driver distortion measurements to see how much distortion large driver excursions produce.
Screen this. If they ever plot this it sounds like the low end (where distortion is usually the highest %) is into the mids or beyond common/avg sets. It's audible. Bit too much fuzz
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I like to EQ every headphone and IEM so it's important to know how much bass boost the device will take.
Hook X still taking it home over all! I do like the resolution of the Dioko though.
Yup, still loving X and like s12, 7Hz...hoping this game gets better instead of just cheaper
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Hey I wont complain if we start getting cheaper Planar Headphones :D
Chris can we expect ur Planar iem soon?
Which one is good buy Kz zs10 pro or cc pla 13. I have kz az09 module. Is cca pla 13 compatable with Kz az09 pro?
Thanks for an early review!
Fantastic as always.
Would be very interested in your thoughts on the new Campfire Supermoon planar iem.
I may grab that. is it CIEM only?
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews
I live in Canada. They have universal demos. I’ve read about CFA sending out universal demos and the existence of a universal fit in Asia.
Disclaimer. I just took delivery of ciem version.
Very good explanation about dynamic drivers. These analog components are indeed amazing, vinyl records also fall in this fascinating category. Please correct me if I say anything wrong, I will give it a thought comparing to the basics of music: Pitch, Dynamic, Duration (or Rhythm) and Timbre.
The frequency of the diaphragm excursion (movement) gives us the pitch (bass, mids and treble or how low or high a note is). The amount of the excursion (amplitude) would give us the volume (intensity of sound), right? The Duration or Rhythm of the beat are already implied (kind of embedded) into the excursion, but looking at it in a longer time frame.
What is really mind blowing is how the 4th element (timbre) comes into the equation. How can a diaphragm produce it all together and also gives us the characteristic sound (timbre) of a voice, guitar, piano, flute, etc. We know it may be the complexity of the wave, harmonics interacting, the fact that the diaphragm excursion vibrates differently in the center and near the edge and so on... But still, what an incredible phenomenon... A simple piece of layer of material can reproduce (and differentiate) any timbre... any voice of 7 billion different people have its single and unique sound signature reproduced analogically to the source.
No wonder again why we call it signature! Instead of writing with a pen, it is written through the sound.
I think most don't consider just how incredible a dynamic driver is.
Celest Gumiho is looks good, cheaper, and include better cable
YET ITS STILL MORE PROMISING THAN THIS
WHAT HAPPENED TO KZ?
They are too busy attacking non believers to actually tune some earphones...apparently?
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews it's a bad move to attack reviewer for giving a "bad" review
Really enjoying the Mahina. Thanks
Thanks for the trust! Glad you like🙌
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Yepp. Serial number 031
This video really helped ❤
Great information I learnt a lot, thanks 🙏
No prob, thanks for watching
Hi bro. I watch ur rating about truthear zero on 5 best iem under 50. I wonder if u can score kato by system rating? Curious about ur opinion.
KATO is great set. Lacks note weight/impact but has great details ( best of the KxxS cousins) I can add em to a vid
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews i'll wait 🔥🔥🔥
@@AdyatamaChoco
Tuning a planar driver to sounds like a DD. why don't use DD to begin with.
KZ tuners love that DD bass and keep trying to introduce it to other drivers. from the all-BA AST where the elevate it soo much to ensure it doesn't "feel" like BA bass, to this.
But if Cheap planar is not as fast as the mid level, i can understand why Kinera add BA to help with the transients.
Yeah, seems like the graph was the goal without listening much. Driver cannot handle that tuning.
Have you ever tried putting your tripowin mele's filters to a kz zsn pro x' nozzle.......
🤔...hmm no, I should check just for kicks
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews yes please🙏, if you like it pls do a video..
I can rest easy now knowing my Dioko is still worthy.
That said I find myself reaching for my Truthear Zeros way too often. Why are they so good!
2DD..is dope!
Same. I enjoy my KXXS, IKKO but the TE Zero is just good that i wont mind buying another one
Great review and learned something new... And what's that player you are using. Can you mention it?
That horizontal scrolling music player in your pc... Is it roon music player? Pls reply
KZ just had a meltdown moment on facebook...
Language barrier. Sounds like a .... got confused and thought they heard "is this a..?" I guess?
Dude I grew up on menace to society.... Right on
Classic. That soundtrack is dope too
Great :) Insert planar drivers on hybrid iems Will be the future:)
Curious if you checked response to mid bass EQ as you did with zero. Doesn't clean up? I didn't like dioko so it's gonna be $65 planar now vs save up for hook x or wait for the chifi unicorn.
Not yet. I'd save up. I think from now to 11/11 there will be a ton of stuff dropping. If you wait this summer stuff will all be on sale
Makes sense. I have pla13 on the way about a week now. I'm too curious and so far am a v shape tune preferring barbarian. I will be comparing it to down budget DD sets, ety er2xr etc looking for a strong technical delta.
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I got my unit, now I have to agree 100% with your take. Other recent $20-30 CRA / KZ 1 DD sets are more interesting, more pleasing and similarly detailed. So it's not well placed sound or value proposition even among their own offerings. I may be a chifi cheapskate stuck waiting for planar but pla13 goes back...
How do KBEAR Lark compare to them ?
How would this compare to the KZ Zas in terms of bass and clarity?
ZAS has better Bass and much better clarity
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews by any chance have you listened to the sony xb75ap?
Can you test the KZ PR1 ?
Is this a closed or open in ear?
Стоит их брать, кто нибудь купил уже?
It would be funny if kz put a dd in it to troll everybody.
I was today years old when I learn how Hz were measured.
Next Review KZ ZS10 Pro X 😆
Is that a real set? Pro and X?
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews ya it's real ZS10 Pro X
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews just got announced, its a new revision of the old zs10 pro
@@bruhmoment2262 Thanks. I gotta check it out🙌
Ay, can't wait for a teardown. The Chi-Fi community is waiting for it. Delta can't get review units, you think you can open yours for us?
witch software he using for music anyone?
nicee, thanks
Dang. I thought I'd get away with a cheap $50 planar but nope. Seems like I'll either have to save or wait for the Kinera Celes gumiho and just hope it delivers TvT.
Wait for others. Mine sounds like a poor DD. That cannot be what they were trying to do? maybe other graphs show I have a bad set?
what music app do you use
PLS
Name of music program ?
KZ furious with HBB regarding this review. "This will not be forgiven", as KZ guy stated regarding their planar sounds like dynamic.
Thanks for the review..looks like they’ve reproduced the worst aspect of a dynamic ………why 🤦🏽♂️
S12 with Final Audio E’s tips helps bring the thunder 😋
Great review as always ☕️🤘☕️
Thank you bro
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Unfortunately, 😔no MAHINA for me ..but I’m ok with it .
Hope is a huge success like the Olina 🤘
Hmm... If I can get only the housing...
It looks kinda cool.
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews Looks like a Sports Car Design for me
Hook-X or Yanyin Canon?
Hook X for me
Just came here after ordering it :(
Damn… I was super excited for those after seeing your graph but if it doesn’t sound life planar, that sucks. I have always some doubts when it comes to those cheap Chifi. I don’t doubt it’s not even real planar. I hope some other company makes a planar IEM for bass lovers.
Keep your ears out for other reviews. My set is odd. Sounds like a bad quality DD. That can't be what they were going for
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews all right. Thanks for your hard work btw!
@@dougmorato
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews I doubt that though. The FR graph looks like a totally normal KZ IEM. If it's defective, most likely the graph would reflect that. So yeah, just another KZ release I guess.
Anyone know what audio library program that is?
J River
Is it better than the 7hz zero
No
Thank I'm still deciding if I should buy Zero 7hz or wait for another IEM review from you that might be better
@@jetty6784 Lotta stuff coming out...I'd wait and then decide
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews okay then you know what is best I'll wait for more
@@jetty6784
Cca pla 13 vs qkzxhbb khan. Please help
A white glove?!?!?
My left knuckles are bloody
sales are gonna drop for sure
#1
BOOM
If it sounds like a DD and its from a KZ brand probably there is a DD somewherw inside this set or they are justa calling this a new kind of DD that will be called planar hahaha
#6 I guess
Yesh..what a ghetto edit at the end🤦♂
I want to try hook-x
Love it.
@@BadGuyGoodAudioReviews It’s tuning is really interesting to me, and it’s open back… been trying to find a used set for a good price haha seems most people who buy them love them. Wish it was easier to try stuff before I buy stuff lol I guess that’s part of the fun.
knowing kz's history, maybe it actually IS a dynamic driver...
take it apart lol
I am going to
Huge disappointment lul
Hope kinera doesn't fk up like this 💀
But the explanation on planar is very good. I have something to show to friends when they ask why planar so costly lmao