Awesome. I have only played with it a few times and agree. The locust are super powerful. I like the new creature that cares about gates and using its abilities to turn them into big threats every turn
Question on Reshape the Earth and Scute Swarm: Let's say I have some artifacts and tron lands that let me get to 9 mana early, I only have 4 lands out. When Reshape resolves it puts 10 lands into play, now the total is over the 7 for scute swarm, so does this mean all TEN landfall triggers will make a scute swarm copy or will it still see less then 7 for first 3 triggers and then see 10 for the remaining 7?
They come in at the same time, so by the time you resolve a Scute Swarm trigger, there are at least 6 lands in play to make Scute Swarm copies. Do note though that these new Scute Swarms will not trigger with these lands, since the tokens are created after all the lands entered.
I think you forgot about the snow lands and the Wastes. So there are 12 different basic land types possible. This makes the domain cards much stronger.
In fact, there is only 5 basic land types. Wastes is a basic land with no type. Snowis a supertype, not counting as a basic type. Domain max ''range'' is 5.
You have all these lands and no big threats to do anything with it, I been playing her and I’ll have crazy amounts of mana but either not draw into anything big or have any way of wining the game
This exactly. making lands everything doesn't really win. you need an actual condition like mazes end, or using the maskwood nexus + realmbreaker tree combo to bring out all your creatures
I might be a psychopath but I really wanna see all 4 precons (actually not creative energy sorry) smooshed together with the goal being getting ulalek and omo and disa on board making everything eldrazi and goyfs
I had a long discussion with the pod I was playing today, apparently the everything counter on a land doesn't make it ALL basic land types, as the supertype doesn't change (basic land, legendary land, land), hence collective restraint might not work with this commander. Maybe a way to counteract this is maybe, if we put the everything counter on an actual basic land? Maybe that'll work. Yes. I'm as sad as you are :(
Omo's second ability grants every land type to lands with everything counters on them, not just basic land types. The full list of land types can be found in the Comprehensive Rules of Magic
I believe it works on any land. Only because everything counters grant any lands all basic land types, so forest, mountain, plains, etc. "Each basic land type among lands you control" Well, if a nonbasic land is a mountain, then it has a basic land type.
According to the CR the basic land types are plains, island, swamp, mountain and forest, so it does work For a similar cards: Thran Portal calls for you to choose a basic land type as it enters, and it becomes that type, but it isn't basic and leyline binding also checks for basic land types and triomes work with that (else competitive domain ddcks wouldn't work)
@@TheLuckySpades Man this is where it gets a bit confusing, because there was much discussion of the Supertype vs the type Land / Legendary / Snow-Land / Basic-Land falls under the supertype and the types of lands are Gates, forest, plains etc. TBH I am all for the basic land thingy to work because that would be amazing of course!
@@F0bR0ckz if a card says "basic land card" or cares about "basic lands" or "basic [landtype]" it has to be a basic plains, island, swamp, mountain, forest or wastes (for an example of the last kind of clause consider Cabal Stronghold) If a card cares about "basic land types" (e.g. domain or the search part of Boseiju) then all it cares is that the types are on the land, so triomes, bicycle and shock lands count If a card only mentions the basic land type but doesn't specify basic (e.g. Farseek, Three Visits, Krosan Verge,...) you also only care about the land type and it doesn't need to be basic
Went up against this deck last night and I'm pretty sure dude playing it was cheating guy had a card that untapped his stuff during every upkeep but he would respond to a spell with an entire turn then untapped all of his permanents then would respond this way for EVERY spell that was casted and even on end steps
The best deck upgrade video I've seen for this deck so far.
They all avoid the land theme and this makes it different from the others.
I guess this is sarcasm?
@@nigelvanlaethem3860
No way.
All the videos I watched on upgrading the deck focused on creature types and not lands.
@@nigelvanlaethem3860yeah so many questionable decisions in this video lmao
There’s so many synergistic paths to follow when brewing this commander, I need to cut 200 cards!
I went with Maze's End and Gates. You can sneak a win in pretty quick.
Ive played this deck quite abit, and i would tutor for locusts over tron lands every time.. they are way stronger..
Awesome. I have only played with it a few times and agree. The locust are super powerful. I like the new creature that cares about gates and using its abilities to turn them into big threats every turn
Spelunking would also do this deck justice to give those tap lands the ability to come out untapped. Inital draw and extra land drop is great too.
Great job. I love this deck.
Question on Reshape the Earth and Scute Swarm: Let's say I have some artifacts and tron lands that let me get to 9 mana early, I only have 4 lands out. When Reshape resolves it puts 10 lands into play, now the total is over the 7 for scute swarm, so does this mean all TEN landfall triggers will make a scute swarm copy or will it still see less then 7 for first 3 triggers and then see 10 for the remaining 7?
They come in at the same time, so by the time you resolve a Scute Swarm trigger, there are at least 6 lands in play to make Scute Swarm copies. Do note though that these new Scute Swarms will not trigger with these lands, since the tokens are created after all the lands entered.
In regards to oblivion stone, do everything counters count as fate counters as well?
no they do not. Everything counters are just everything counters they don't do or are anything else without omo
I think you forgot about the snow lands and the Wastes. So there are 12 different basic land types possible. This makes the domain cards much stronger.
You are totally right. It should be much stronger. Thank you and I hope you have a great day!
In fact, there is only 5 basic land types. Wastes is a basic land with no type. Snowis a supertype, not counting as a basic type.
Domain max ''range'' is 5.
I appreciate all the helpful comments!
shigeki seems pretty good as well
Maybe add Urza's Fun House and Nearby Planet ?
Decklist?
Sorry I thought I added it. Description updated have a great day!
archidekt.com/decks/7900325/tricky_terrain_precon_upgrade_guide
You have all these lands and no big threats to do anything with it, I been playing her and I’ll have crazy amounts of mana but either not draw into anything big or have any way of wining the game
Did you not look at the cards in the precon? Some massive creature spawning off landfall or lands in play.
@@DarkerSavant lol I have the precon and I’m playing it!, it only has like 2-3 big threats, just saying could use more game Enders
This exactly. making lands everything doesn't really win. you need an actual condition like mazes end, or using the maskwood nexus + realmbreaker tree combo to bring out all your creatures
or lord effects
Sunken Palace is a hidden gem in this deck. Don't get rid of it.
Sunken Temple, Mana Reflection, Replication Technique. Welcome to tons of mana on tap.
Sunken Palace is an extremely powerful effect, and should stay in the deck.
Thank you for telling me. Some of these new cards are hard for me to tell what is actually powerful. I hope you have a great day!
Sunken palace has won me many games personally. I also copied terastodon once to nuke all my opponents lands with a propaganda on the board
I might be a psychopath but I really wanna see all 4 precons (actually not creative energy sorry) smooshed together with the goal being getting ulalek and omo and disa on board making everything eldrazi and goyfs
Tempt is pretty risky lol 🤣 some can get a strip mine 😅
Aven Courier is a miss, needs to be in this deck, and Helm of the Host is another required for flavor.
Great pick!
I had a long discussion with the pod I was playing today, apparently the everything counter on a land doesn't make it ALL basic land types, as the supertype doesn't change (basic land, legendary land, land), hence collective restraint might not work with this commander.
Maybe a way to counteract this is maybe, if we put the everything counter on an actual basic land? Maybe that'll work.
Yes. I'm as sad as you are :(
Omo's second ability grants every land type to lands with everything counters on them, not just basic land types. The full list of land types can be found in the Comprehensive Rules of Magic
I believe it works on any land. Only because everything counters grant any lands all basic land types, so forest, mountain, plains, etc. "Each basic land type among lands you control" Well, if a nonbasic land is a mountain, then it has a basic land type.
According to the CR the basic land types are plains, island, swamp, mountain and forest, so it does work
For a similar cards: Thran Portal calls for you to choose a basic land type as it enters, and it becomes that type, but it isn't basic and leyline binding also checks for basic land types and triomes work with that (else competitive domain ddcks wouldn't work)
@@TheLuckySpades Man this is where it gets a bit confusing, because there was much discussion of the Supertype vs the type
Land / Legendary / Snow-Land / Basic-Land falls under the supertype and the types of lands are Gates, forest, plains etc.
TBH I am all for the basic land thingy to work because that would be amazing of course!
@@F0bR0ckz if a card says "basic land card" or cares about "basic lands" or "basic [landtype]" it has to be a basic plains, island, swamp, mountain, forest or wastes (for an example of the last kind of clause consider Cabal Stronghold)
If a card cares about "basic land types" (e.g. domain or the search part of Boseiju) then all it cares is that the types are on the land, so triomes, bicycle and shock lands count
If a card only mentions the basic land type but doesn't specify basic (e.g. Farseek, Three Visits, Krosan Verge,...) you also only care about the land type and it doesn't need to be basic
Went up against this deck last night and I'm pretty sure dude playing it was cheating guy had a card that untapped his stuff during every upkeep but he would respond to a spell with an entire turn then untapped all of his permanents then would respond this way for EVERY spell that was casted and even on end steps