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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- For the first (and hopefully only) time in my life, I dropped a telescope. Ugh.
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If someone local wants the remnants (I'd like to keep the Moonlite) make me an offer (hint: I probably won't refuse). Otherwise it may go on the swap table at Stellafane.
Good News Ed!! - I have a corrector plate with secondary from an SN10. Bought it used and when I went in to do some upgrades (JMI focuser and internal tube reinforcements) found the previous owner polished the primary with sandpaper. Parts have just been sitting around the garage and was about to clear it out for a new Newt. Let you have it for shipping costs.
@@gregmerkle1851 Greg, are you sure? Can you message me at eting at aol?
@@edting Follow-up video required!
I'd love to see a follow-up video if everything works out@@edting
@@gregmerkle1851 That is great news Greg. I just wanted to let you know that your story about the primary in your SN10 sent a cold shiver up my spine. Sandpaper? Yikes.
Thanks for sharing, my stomach dropped when I saw the corrector plate. Good on you for making it right with the owner though! “$h1t happens!”
My worst nightmare. I feel for you.
"There's no sense crying
Over every mistake
You just keep on trying
'til you run out of cake"
--Aperture Science
Forget the mistake and remember the lesson.
@@gammondog GLaDOS is still alive?
I have to say it.
I have to say it.
_the cake is a lie_
@@cygnus1129 Noooooooooo!!!
Sorry to hear about this Ed! Given the cost of equipment, and rarity of parts for older scopes, this truly is a nightmare scenario!
What a stupidly designed adapter by Losmandy, they didn't even bother to machine a "D type plate" into the bottom of that adapter! That was an accident waiting to happen. Losmandy should be punished for making this the way it is. It wasn't your fault, it was Losmandy's engineering at fault. Show this video to Losmandy and see what they have to say. Losmandy should be the ones picking up the tab for this and should compensate you for it. All in my opnion, anyway. Let us know what Losmany's response is...
Wow, sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to a Schmitt Newtonian review.
So sorry for the accident. I hope there is a silver lining as a result down the road. I appreciate all you do for this community and your content is excellent. Take Care!
Got my hasslbad expensive camera costing £30,000 with 100mp smashed up by when accidentally fallen or slipped away from my,hand as it fall alway over cliff and saw it smashed and pulverised down craggy rocks at below😢
This is my worst nightmare. Uggh. I used a similar adapter from iOptron for my C9.25. Once. I decided I needed a bigger mount for other reasons. I cannot help but think this would have happened eventually. These Schmidt-Newtonians are intriguing. Good luck getting this back into some usable form!
I'd did appreciated the subtle commiserated humor inserted by Ed in this video.
Ouch :( Sorry that happened. It's pretty crazy that adapter plate isn't dovetailed and only clamped in with the thin edge of the mounting bracket.
I visibly cringed when I read the title. I just had a similar accident using an AZ-GTI as a EQ mount. The skywatcher legs are twist clamps and one leg got loose in the cold on a sub zero night, and one leg clamp let go. It smashed a 2 month old full spectrum modified Sony A6000. It also damaged the focuser in a Skywatcher 72ed but I fortunately fixed it by taking it apart. Best of luck on your new telescope project.
Those twist clamp leg extensions always scare me. I haven't had an issue yet. But, every time I set up, it's on my mind.
I own an SN-10. One of the first things I did when I bought the OTA off another club member was swap the vixen plate with a losmandy plate. It's really stretching the limits of my EQ6r pro.
I bought a Celestron 6" SCT with a shattered corrector plate for spare parts. Have seen several available since then. So, it would seem that Ed is not the first person who dropped an optical tube.
Ugh, so sorry to hear all that, Ed.
Alternate title: Ed explains how he turned a Schmidt-Newtonian into a Schidt-Newtonian.
Sorry for the loss. Almost had a related story myself. Been suffering from the damage of a kidney stone for months. Finally doctors suggested for major surgery. Performed @ January 8th. Wasn't allowed to lift anything over 10 lbs for four weeks. Then bad weather settled over central Ohio for most of February.
Finally clear weather this week but an earlier old foot/nerve damage reared its ugly head again. So bad it was waking me at night. My podiatrist administered some shots and put me in a walking boot.
Well, I wasn't going to waste a clear night and walking boot and all I took my astro tech 115 out and got shots of Orion. Bringing it in, yes my boot caught a landscaping stone. I started stumbling forward my cement patio, tube and all. I don't know how, but I saved it.
But what is really sad I was processing the pictures Thursday night and the drive where I had the frames fried while stacking. Oh well...
"We shall never speak of this unpleasantness ever again."
"No, we shall not."
I just want to echo the thoughts that all the prior posters have expressed. I'm hopeful that somewhere in all your followers and friends that a solution will be found to repair this telescope. Keep us posted and keep up the great work. I am still a novice at this passion but I take great inspiration from you and your many experienced and knowledgeable subscribers.
Sharing the downs and ups is important. Sorry that happened to you.
Also going to go check the plate on my Takahashi....
Yes! The next morning I went to all my scopes and tightened the knobs on the plates.
Sad. I have seen other corrector plates broken like that from ground impacts.
Sorry to see the damage.
Maybe you'll consider replacing that V-D adapter now with a proper one even with lighter loads. No sense risking much more expensive equipment for the sake of an proper adapter.
Don't feel too bad Mr Ting. I bought a Celestron Nester 8SE. On my second venture outside I didn't check to make sure the tube was properly seated in the mount. As the telescope slew it fell off the mount. Yes I now have a spider web on mine too. Called Celestron, they said since the tube had a small dent in the end it would be cheaper to buy a new one. They don't sell the 8SE tube only so I bought a whole new 8SE. The only positive out of this situation is I now have a Go To mount for my Explorer Scientific ED102 4" refractor. Now I can use both at the same time!
OMG Ed, I feel for you! Now, this scope was obviously made into quite a beautiful instrument by the previous owner. My guess is that there are still a bunch of these around with the original crappy plastic focuser, most likely out of collimation, sitting in a garage gathering dust. That's the one you want!! The owner will be thrilled to get $400 for this large piece of crap and that's where your renovation journey starts... Two ads, one on Cloudy Nights, one on Astromart, asking for a 10" Meade Schmidt Newtonian that is no longer seeing much use. Shipping will be expensive, but maybe they'll cut you a deal after seeing this video. Keep it up!! :)
P.S. You may even be able to get them to sell you just the corrector plate... less shipping costs... It seems like a shame to discard a telescope that once was really nice - and I have read that with some TLC, these 10" Schmidt-Newtonians can be turned into wonderful performers.
Ed,
The pain you feel clearly comes through in your video. I hope your new project helps to heal your loss. Always enjoy your videos but this one maybe not so much...
BC
I always had that fear of dropping my 38lb scope or having it fall off the mount. Sorry it happened to you Ed.
Oh dear Ed. I feel your pain man.
My years of astrophotography has taught me “Meade” has never made a good telescope…ever. I still have an 8” that just can’t be collimated, complete junk.
oh... I really hope the damage could be fixed...
We’ve all done something like this Ed, I have a couple I can’t even talk about!
Wow! Thanks for sharing, it could save a scope in the future.
if you do experiment with the spherical mirror, do as I did and play around with different aperture masks to see if that much spherical aberration can be made tolerable. I stopped my firstscope down to to roughly 60 percent diameter to get the SA below a quarter wave and the focal ratio to around 6. This is roughly the ratio that Newton used on one of his specimens.
I'm very sorry that happened. In my Astronomy club
( GOAAA in Portugal ) we have a SN-10 and a SN-8. We both changed the focusers. Mine being the SN-8, I use it with the PO IMX585C camera. Due to the sensor being small, I don't need extra correctors. The images produced are of very good quality. I hope you can find a solution to get it working.
Paulo
Wow, anyone’s worst nightmare. Love your positivity re the focuser though. Hopefully, the commenter that mentioned having a corrector plate can help you out.
I'm sorry that this happened to you Ed. I had my 8" F4 Orion oriented the same way when my mount decided to let go of that weird Vixen plate. Thankfully for me the real damage was a fairly small dent in the ota and a scraped up focuser knob. I don't know if this is a great solution, but you could always modify it with a conventional F4 mirror system. At least the tube and the focuser could still be put to use. For the old optics you could maybe modify it into a really good shaving mirror🙂
Post Edit: After reading the comments I guess disregard. I hope that pans out. If it does, I hope you can eventually do the testing you originally planned.
That sighed silence was 90% of the story. That is rough man.
I'm getting old and I'm poor and if that happened to my 127EQ Celestron I would cry for a week! I wonder what replacement parts cost? Thanks to my daughter I have a telescope at all, Thanks Liz
My SN8 fell off the mount, didn't check the dovetail properly, nearest I've come to having a stroke! Such is life. The mount was hard work and poor. That said the optics when I did use it seemed quite good, even with that original focuser.
Wow, what a horrifically reckless design by Losmandy.
They saved ~$5 per part by using smaller stock and skipping the additional setups and tooling to cut the dovetails... on a part which sole purpose is to safely and securely engage in a dovetail.
I would have expected a better design from any no name Aliexpress vendor. I'm shocked that a high priced premium equipment manufacture would release a flawed design like that.
Ahhhh... so sorry. I feel for you. Every amateur's nightmare
Stay tuned...a possible solution may be on the way!
The LXD 75 is fine. (Unlike the LXD 55 it replaced)
Bought mine in 2004 (The SN8 version), still works great for me!
I did a hypertune back in the day, but other than that, it’s pretty much how I bought it. YMMV
Each time I mount my C9, I imagine what it would be like if I didn't quite tighten everything down just right and it falls off. Sorry you experienced this costly misfortune.
I never understood those things, schmidt newtonians, a frankenscope. It wasn’t your fault Ed, the scope committed suicide.
When I saw the thumbnail, my first thoughts were: oh, a Mak-Newt! With a cracked plate! Damn! Knowing now that it's a Schmidt-Newt does not really change the feeling.
It looks like my Sky Watcher Mak-Newt 190/1000. I often worried about its stability on the mount, so I cringed at the sight of this damage.
How in the world could anyone allow for a Vixen dovetail on that monster? One of the first things that I did to my Mak-Newt was to replace the Vixen for a Losmandy plate, sitting on my Celestron CGEM mount, which I bought second-hand, as I quickly noticed that my Sky Watcher EQ5 was no real match for a big Newt.
Every time I did try a session with a Vixen dovetail on the EQ5, I was so worried that I stopped doing that. Even with the Losmandy, now with the CGEM, I'm worried that it will stay put. The contact surface between clamp and plate is rather large, so I know it will be fine, but emotionally, it remains an issue.
Sell some tshirts. You've certainly inspired me. An I support library astronomy T-shirt . But first an I support astronomy equipment accidents shirt. I've had one myself and I know how soul squeezing feels.
Oops! It's not a good situation. When lift, carry, and mount my Lunt MT100MM Solar telescope I'm paranoid about dropping it. I'm always checking the thumbscrews to make sure all is snug. Sorry for your misfortune there Ed.
Oh Ed I'm gutted for you my friend! This reminded me of a YT video I saw some time ago, wherein a poor guy had a 14inch Schmitt Cassegrain telescope incorrectly mounted and it fell off and smashed it's front corrector plate literally to pieces on the floor!! 😱That's a roughly $12'000 Telescope OTA ruined!! I felt physically sick watching that video Ed!! 😭
@edting
Sorry to see mate. I would not stay as composed as you talking about that Losmandy adaptor with its square base. What were they thinking?
You could put a parabolic GSO mirror in there.
The Celestron Astromaster 130 is notorious for some (many?) samples featuring a spherical mirror. I looked through one once. Low power views were ok but higher magnification - forget it. Not interesting, just crap.
Kudos for owning up to it, Ed.
I dropped a Vixen SS 200 from a Vixen GP mount, because those saddles are funny, and designed specifically for that weird Vixen plate. Anyway, I was lucky. the tube had a significant dent by the primary, and it also landed on the focuser causing a deformation of the tube where the focuser is. I was able to make the area around the focuser near perfect, using some bent washers and screws, to pull the dents out. I learned a lot from that mistake.
Same thing here. Old Polaris mounts are great but you need an adapter and they don't always fit properly.
Something just occurred to me - the stock dovetail bar is cast aluminum and is mostly a rectangle, not a dovetail (prism) shape - there is only a small area near the middle of the bar where the clamp can "bite". Your adapter may have been biting on a rectangle and not a dovetail. Check that - you may feel better afterward. (That system was cloned from Vixen, like so much of the LXD55/75 mount.)
That's what my SN 10" looked like when it was first shipped out back in 2001, looked like it fell out of the back of the UPS truck and then ran over it, the secondary came loose inside the tube, thankfully they did ship me out a new one though, I still have it, I flocked it and put a Baader focuser on it.🙂
It happens to all of us eventually. I dropped an 8" mirror that I was grinding myself. I still remember the sound it made, and the huge chip it caused and crack it left.
Hey Ed do you want to sell the Moonlight focuser? Ive got the Meade 10" Schmidt Newt ota, just chasing a suitable mount. An upgraded focuser would be fun.
As for the SN10 - I sold mine to an imager because although the low power views were indeed fine, it struggled at 30x per inch. Like all Schmidt telescopes of the era, it was hit or miss if you'd get one that could take high powers. I built a 10" f/4.5 Newtonian to replace it. That has a Royce mirror and 1/20th wave secondary. BTW the "blue ghost" collimation method was my invention! :) It really did make a big improvement. All Schmidt telescopes need perfect placement of the corrector and secondary precisely centered in it. There is a lot of factory slop to reel in.
I reached the part with the spacer. Celestron spacers for their scts which weren't cork, were pieces of paper glued together. I replaced them all with us postal service small box cardboard which perfectly matched the space and solved the spacer issue
One more comment - I helped a beginner set up a 5" f/5 Celestron she received as a door prize from her work. That had, to my absolute shock, a spherical mirror. Here is what you see. On one side of focus, you see a pattern of rings that looks like an archery target. On the other, it looks like just a fuzzy blob of light. There IS no actual focus. The ring pattern goes over into mush in such a way that NO focus is ever achieved. When you get to 4 or so rings, the mush takes over and you transition from mush to sharp rings without ever getting focus. Jupiter was just a pale yellow disk with no features other than hints of the equatorial bands. It was the worst telescope I've ever looked through. The limit for a spherical mirror depends on the aperture. For a 4" mirror, you can start to get good images at f/10 or so. For a 6", f/12 to f/15.
I've been thinking about laying down some of that thick rubber gym floormat around my telescope. It might prevent disaster for dropped eyepieces. Don't know if it would do much for a full 38 lb telescope.
Ouch! Might be some ATM glass glass pusher out there who might want to try their hand at a Schmidt corrector plate. Probably not, but it doesn't cost anything to ask around... Or perhaps try for a parabolic replacement mirror and forget the corrector plate. Otherwise, condolences. That's enough to make anyone feel bad... 😢
There was a guy making corrector plates for those making Schmitt Newtonian's I recall, if still in business he could produce one for that F4 spere you have there.
40 years ago I accidentally knocked my Edmund Astroscan 2001 off its makeshift stand and irrevocably broke it. Not nearly as big a loss and it was mine, not another's. I feel for you bigtime man.
Makes me feel better about the crack my C9.25 corrector incurred after I screwed it back in too tight. I boughht a replacement plate from Celestron UK but still haven't found a repairman. I feel trying myself would be a worthy enterprise. Anyone here have any advice?
That's really bad luck, Ed, commiserations. Having broken a few expensive bits of kit myself I know how gut-wrenching it can be. It's not the cost so much as the "how can I have been so stupid?" feeling, and the sadness of ruining a nice telescope.
Hi Ed, sorry for your accident... Now considering the amount of damage, wouldn't it be interesting to try to .... glue it back together? Maybe with a ground marble reference plane that is accurate enough? But I have to admit that I don't know if you can find these at a reasonable price...
And the computer. And maybe the camera. OW,ow,ow,ow,ow.
I feel that. I have a classic 10" SCT and it fell off the tripod. Luckily it all hit the wall and cut into it before hitting the floor. The tube was attached to the fork arms still. It was very heavy. It fell into me, rolled over to the wall smashed into the wall and fell to the floor. I was on the bottom trying to get the screw in the center to go into the fork arms. Luckily nothing broke in the glass department, but I had a focuser on the back that was misaligned. I could fix it. Even the collumation was good. Now the blue paint is scratched though and there's a very slight dent on the outside.
i had the same thing happen with my one month old 6" Celestron SCT.... breaking the corrector plate sucked.
Be positive ... you are burning off your bad luck at an accelerated pace!?! 1.) get your adapter cut with proper dove tails. 2.) advertise for one with other problems like a bad primary mirror and bad mount. You are due for some good luck! Or 3.) replace the mirror and turn it into a straight Newtonian
Dovetails are a very poor way to connect an optical tube to a mount, and the larger/heavier the tube the worst it gets. Good for 6inches, already poor for 10, and very poor and dangerous for 16 inches and above, mostly if you are alone and trying to balance the tube. An optical tube should be screwed onto the mount, maybe through adjustable rings, and then a set of bars or rods with sliding small counterweights added in order to balance the tube. Like they had on old Unitron refractors or the original fork mounted C14s. Much more precise, much less dangerous. In your case, replace the focuser with some metal grid since it will be only useful to grill sausages using a very out of focus image of the sun. Stellar images will be about twice the size of Jupiter. Or you can put a 5 inch stop at the radius of curvature of the mirror and make a lensless Schmidt.
Ed, I think this might be the time to invest in a good dual saddle for your Mount. Otherwise, somebody might be able to mill some slots into your Vixen Adapter to rectify your issue as well.
well look at it this way, those cracks will produce some awesome diffraction spikes on bright stars. Might be cool looking!
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Sorry Ed. I always fear I will drop my Dob, especially when tearing down in the dark.
🙁... I dropped a 6se OTA within an hour of buying it. At least it was used for a good price and I still had the mount.
I happen to have an unused sn10 corrector if you're interested! (Tucson AZ)
Don't put all the blame on yourself the adapter is very poorly designed. It should have a dovetail on it and I wouldn't trust it even with a light load.
Sounds like the your adapter concept is a poor idea. 1 mm or 2 mm contact is not acceptable for anything. The fact that your are getting away with a 13 pound weight is probably just luck and don't be surprised if it fails on another lighter telescope as well. Looking at your image of the setup. I would suggest grinding a groove on the side for the clamp edges to fit into producing a much more secure grip. Alternatively drip and tap a couple holes vertically down through the adapter into the base and screw it into the base resulting a truly secure set.
put an aperture stop at the center of curvature of the mirror and make a "Lensless Schmidt". The lensless Schmidt is probably the most planned but never executed camera in the hobby so it will be cool to get a test and review of one, make some good out of the accident.
Interesting! I'm going to look into that.
Have you considered "blacking out" the cracks and seeing how it goes ?
Hey, well at least this video will cover some small fraction of the cost of buying that scope...
I have the reverse situation with a Losmandy plate adapted to a Vixen mount. The Losmandy plate slipped once and dinged one tooth of my focuser. It's still fully functional. I use a safety bolt on the dovetail plate now, so it can only slide up. There is not enough room on the Vixen plate to use a bolt, but at least the Vixen clamp has a main bolt and a safety bolt. The standard Vixen clamp is not popular, but it does seem less prone to slipping. I think they need to make some design adjustments.
When I first saw the title of the video, I thought that "Ed Destroys a Telescope" meant that you gave one a really bad review. lol
Have you tried imaging with the scope in its current state? I mean it's just got a few more secondary spiders than the norm😁. Joking apart it's a sad situation; my commiserations.
Oh man. I get a sick feeling in my stomach just thinking about g about this. Sorry ed!
It might be possible to flex the mirror into a parabola with an annular pulling ring mounted on the rear of the mirror.S&T mag had an article on it, but I don’t remember which issue.
Could we design some safety harnesses to attach to the tripods???hmm itd still impact but maybe not so rough
I wonder if that focuser could be adapted to an 8" schmidt newtonian? I have a meade SN8 the could use a better focuser.
It’s just a telescope. The value is what you give it. Sorry though
Just leaving a comment to pay my respects...
Many years ago (almost 20!) folks from Tucson and Phoenix were gathering at Farnsworth Ranch south of Arizona City for - I think - a Messier Marathon. One fellow from Tucson was one of the few that had set up the night before; but the rest of us started arriving mid-afternoon. He had a C11 on a very big mount (Losmandy?) with a solar blanket wrapped around it to keep the harsh AZ sun off of it. Well a dust devil came along, grabbed the solar blanket and tossed that setup to the ground. Corrector plate was toast - don't recall any details on the mirror. But man, there was a huge collective sphincter clinch when it happened. He just packed up everything and left.
Many a mental note was made. Keep sails off the scopes.
Wow, the wind on the blanket had enough force to pull over the entire rig, eh?
@@edting oh yeah, when we get hit by those, tents with a cinderblock or two will go flying, or at the very least get torn to shreds.
Hey ed! I had an interesting accident somewhat like that last month. I had left my 5” Newtonian reflector on its mount fully set up when all of a sudden, I hear a load bang! The telescope just randomly popped off the mount! Somehow even though it landed on the mirror end of the telescope, it only had a small nick on it! I have been using since then and have been getting great view!
I saw a dust devil at a Wyoming star party pick up a large canopy tent, drag it about 30 feet into the air, and drop it on someone's vehicle.
Nevermind Ed, 'this too shall pass.'
If it can happen to Ed, it can happen to anyone! Let us not let this telescopes demise be in vain, but let us instead remediate ourselves to proper telescope handling that we may avoid some disasters that might otherwise have occurred in the absence of this reminder.
Soon after I got my new 6 inch Mak, I accidentally tipped it over while I was adjusting the tripod legs. I was lucky in that the red dot finder absorbed all the impact. The finder was smashed to pieces but, luckily the OTA seemed to weather the ordeal unscathed.
Now its smashed newtonian. This is my personal nightmare
Ouch!
tough break, since you smashed the telescope, i'm smashing the like button 👍
THIS SCOPE MUST BE SAVED!
People have come to the rescue. It might be saved!
Have you tried asking Huygens Optics - Dr. Jeroen Vleggaar or Toscanoptics in Italy?
Oof i thought it was an interesting vein design and then i saw it had a corrector plate damn man sorry this happened! Itll be alright tho