How To Spot Bacteria In Your Grain Jars
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Your jars may look and smell like they're good to go but may not be. Wild Bird Seed can harbor bacteria that is able to survive the sterilization process in your P.C. and that infection can cause a minimal amount of flushes, low yields from those flushes, small and/or low potency fruits and deformed and extremely mutated fruits. Here's what to look for.
IMO most of these jars are probably not contaminated - they just look like they are a while past fully colonized by a week or so.The mycelium is creating metabolites due to stress due to there not being any more food available to them since the jar is past colonized. Having a bit of that yellow metabolite is ok.
Thanks man, I just heard the term "clean spawn" a few months ago so it's still a new concept. Healthy and hungry mycelium would have eaten the whole seed, right? Those jars where seeds are touching glass and never close up aren't a good sign.
I agree with this comment.
These jars look like they could have been moved to substrate quite some time ago.
Also, remember that the spawn will shrink a little as it is eaten up by the mycellium, which is the same reason many people use a liner in their tub/shoebox when they add spawn to substrate. So that may account for the shrinking and sliding.
I also like the millet comment, above... Gordotek uses millet because it offers thousands of more mycellium points when mixed with substrate, being that it's such a small seed.
I know a lot of people do successfully use bird seed, because it's cheap. However, most of them pick out certain parts, like the black seeds and sunflower, and throw them away.
Greatly appreciate your videos, and you taking the time to share your knowledge and experiences with us!
They seem a bit more slippery when there's excess moisture but you're right, even healthy jars will slide around a bit and/or may have a couple seeds that don't fully cover. The key signs are, myc is harder than normal to break apart, bright white smudges or spikey areas, abnormal moisture, milky marshmallow texture and seeds that don't fully cover. I guess any one of those on there own is probably no biggie but I would become concerned if you have more than two or three of those signs combined. Thanks for watching!
@@RickL555 great info! 👍
I'm starting my first grain jars using brown rice. Gives you smaller points of growth so it grows better in the substrate. Much much cheaper than popcorn.
Thanks for the tip. I will definitely look into it.
What teck are you using how long do you soak your rice??
appreciate the thought but almost threw up from the camera moving around so much couldnt finish video.
I will take that into consideration for the next one. Thank you!
@@RickL555 I had no problem. Thanks for sharing.
then, how to utilize the liquid culture?
Agar plates. Everybody that gets into mycology will eventually start making agar. Took me about two years but I now test all my LC an agar before I put it to grains. It's also how you begin the process of isolating genetics so over time you can grow bigger and bigger mushrooms.
Can’t believe Chris Griffin grows shrooms
Ha! Took me a minute but I get it now. Nice one, Homie!
This the funniest comment 😂
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Ok, I'll try. Thank you
Let the bird seed soak 12 to 24 hours to germinate the bacterial endospores in the seeds. When the bacteria is encased in the endospore it can withstand 15 psi and 250 degrees. Used to have bacteria problems before I started soaking,
Thank you!!
Thanks for sharing brother, very helpful. Always good to see a mycologist sharing their knowledge with others. I use milo/millet or whole oats for my grain normally, the smaller surface area has more innoculant points thus spreading and colonizing quickly. Corn is pretty legit too though, the price can't be beat and most people can source it fairly easy, some other grains can be a little difficult to find.
Been meaning to try oats. Thanks
@@RickL555 Tractor Supply Co. Do a 50 Lb bag of oats for $25, making it one of the cheapest grains to use.
@@ObakuZenCenter Very cool, thanks! Sounds like a smoking hot deal and I'm definitely giving it a try.
I never had any good luck with popcorn. I’ve always used WBS. I’m thinking of going to oats on this next grow.
I've been wanting to try oats but haven't gotten around to it yet. Right on man. I would love to hear how it worked out for you. If you can please shoot me a message and let me know how it goes.
Brown rice is and always will be the best grain to spawn.
WILD BIRD SEED is amazing!
Thanks Chris griffin, you have enlightened me
haha, my pleasure. Thanks for dropping by
Is the mycelial time of bird and corn the same with liquid culture?
I think the popcorn is a little faster by a day or two if it's properly hydrated. If you make it too dry it takes longer. Give it at least 24 hours of soaking and simmer for a good 30- 40 minutes. You want to see your kernels visibly larger than what they look like when dry.
@@RickL555 thank you
Hey I have a question I used a LC syringe on some rye berry jars and it’s been 5 days and to me it looks lke the rye is starting to sprout. Is that possible or is it growth?
Huh, that's interesting. I've heard rye berries can sprout from soaking a little too long but it's not usually something that happens after being sterilized. Is it just one or two berries or are all of the berries in that jar sprouting? If it's the later then toss it. Is it just that one jar or are all the jars sprouting? Could just be a freak occurrence but if it's all of the jars you definitely want to modify your soak/simmer tek and make sterilize your grains for at least 90 minutes.
WBS is great! I got some great grain teks on my channel that work Fantastic. Including some no soak no simmer! 👌
im loving the popcorn. it even smells better lol
Me too! I just picked up another 50 lbs.
@@RickL555💀🙏
thanks for your hard work
You got it, Buddy. My pleasure.
Soak for two days before cooking
That's a good Idea. I just so happen to have some soaking right now so I'll leave in in for an extra 24 hours and try this out. I had been simmering for a longer period of time than I would with other grains but I'll give this a try. Thanks buddy
Renegade mushroom said it gives the bacteria time to hatch so heat will kill it better
@@danielgriffin5737 Thank you, I'll definitely look to it!
@@danielgriffin5737 I wouldn't suggest going by what Renegade Mushrooms suggest. The Shroomery has good, up to date teks and none of them suggest soaking WBS. The most I've come across it being done is about five hours. More than that and there's a risk of at least some fermentation according to some, which can cause issues.
@@ObakuZenCenter yeah, Renegade Mushroom has only been growing mushrooms for something like 20 years now, what would he know? 😆 🤣
I've watched several of his videos, haven't seen any that say 2 full days, but he definitely grows a LOT of different types of culinary and curative mushrooms, so it's very possible he stated that time frame for a specific application? Not sure...
Just watched one listed as "what should my grain jars look like" and it was very informative, and yes he talks about the differences with wheat grain vs popcorn, how wet it should be before pc, etc.
I'm beginning to see the dangers of the grain being too wet, either prior to PC or too much liquid culture. Seems it's best to lean a bit on the dry side vs lean a bit on the wet side through the entire process (including substrate).
I find these videos so helpful! Keep posting, 🙏
What about popcorn vs corn you can grow?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking if I know how to grow corn?
@@RickL555 more that I have a good source -really cheap, but I have to do final cleaning. Takes awhile...hope it works, first batch mellowing. In the jar, pasteurized and sterilized, swelled like popcorn. Outside pile gets junk.
@@terryrugg1949 Right on man, very cool. If you get a minute shoot me a message and let me know how that turns out.
@@RickL555 🫡✌️
brown rice and popcorn.