Thanks for the shout-out guys! I am really glad I could help. It's rare to find a TH-cam channel that pays so much attention to detail and has such a good connection with members of its community. Oh, and you absolutely nailed the pronunciation of Polish names. I'm impressed. I wonder if it took much practice
@@historyinbits well, two corrections: 1. It should rather Gniezno, not G-niezno with pause after G, as you have said it. 2. Also "sz" in Mieszko may be spelled just like English "sh", not seperated s-z. It is single sound.
3:16 Oh, more than okay terms! Admiral Horthy's government, on the ground of long-standing Polish-Hungarian friendship, declined, as a matter of "Hungarian honor,"Hitler's request to transit German forces across Carpathian Rus into southeastern Poland to speed up that country's conquest. The Hungarian refusal allowed the Polish government and tens of thousands of military personnel to escape into neighboring Hungary and Romania, In total, over 100,000 military and civilians, including children, fled from Poland to Hungary. The Hungarian authorities resisted German pressure to close the Polish Institute in Budapest, a Polish cultural institution established before the war. The Institute was a place where Polish culture was freely and legally cultivated at a time when it was brutally suppressed in German- and Soviet-occupied Poland and Europe. The Institute also published Polish literature and press, and in addition to cultural activities, it helped Polish refugees and civilians in Hungary, and gave Hungarian language lessons to Poles so that they could study at Hungarian universities. Dozens of Polish elementary schools were established in Hungary, 27 of which existed throughout the entire stay of Poles in Hungary, as well as high schools, including the significant Gymnasium and Lyceum in Balatonboglár, which functioned until the German invasion of Hungary in 1944. In German-occupied southeastern Poland, Hungarian soldiers gave shelter to Poles fleeing Ukrainian-perpetrated massacres, aided the Polish population with food, repelled attacks on Poles and Jews by Ukrainian nationalists, and hunted Ukrainian murderers of Poles. In 1941, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists called for the mass murder of Poles, Hungarians, Jews and Russians. In 1944, Hungarians gave shelter to Poles who escaped the Ukrainian murderers to Hungary, and also facilitated further escapes. In 1944, Hungarian soldiers refused to help Germans suppress the Warsaw Uprising in German-occupied Poland. Instead, Hungarians gave weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to the Polish insurgents. Some Hungarians who were caught doing so were executed by the Germans. Captured Polish insurgents were bandaged and fed by Hungarians, then released, given weapons and food, and shown the way out of German encirclement. Hungarians also rescued Polish insurgents by refusing to turn them over to the Germans, warned Poles of planned German pacifications, and took care of surviving Polish civilians. Some Hungarians even joined the fights on the side of the Polish insurgents. After the uprising, Hungarians shared food, medicines, and bandages with the expelled Polish population, whom they were supposed to convoy. The Hungarians also managed to save some Poles from deportation to German forced labour camps and concentration camps, for example by unhitching some of the wagons on the deportation trains.
Hello, Seb here, writer of this video's script. Thank you very much for elaborating on this - I remember hearing about the special relationship the two countries shared in the interwar period in a lecture of my undergraduate studies at UCL, but I could not find any good literature diving deeper into this during my research for this script. Can you recommend any literature?
@@historyinbits Hi! The Wikipedia article titled "Hungary-Poland relations" is high quaility and has a lot of sources. Sadly most of those sources are either in hungarian or in polish. One english source is "Kovács, E. "Hungarian-Polish Relations between the Two World Wars." Acta Historica Academiae Scientiarum Hungaricae 18.1/2 (1972)" TH-cam doesnt allow links, it's in the further reading Tab of the article.
Some fun extra facts for the Hungary part: I.Béla the previous king died due to his throne collapsed on him (for real). I. László also made saint later too and he was know as a knight king, because he was the one who finished the conversion of the country and protecting it from the pagan Pechenengs. Also there is a story that Salamon was captive during László's reign until the day I. István was made saint. They coud not open the coffin of István until Salamon was relesased. Thats why Hungary's national holiday is not aug.15. (death of István) but aug.20. (when he made saint). Also you can find an another ruling house of Hungary in the game, the Aba. The third king Sámuel's descedants (his son is Prince Peter) can be found in Zemplén and played.
Actually Bela I didn't die from his throne collapsing on him. He was injured and dying but they still couldn't stop him from going to the camps of the Hungarian army preparing to face another invasion by the Holy Roman Emperor who was accompanied by Solomon. He was going to lead the Hungarians into battle until his last breath. He died there, and it's a possibility he was poisoned by supporters of the Holy Roman Empire.
11:27 actually the realm was split between Władysław's sons (Bolesław and Zbigniew) after his death and Bolesław ruled over united Poland only after he banished and blinded his brother It's also worth mentioning that before Władysław's death, his sons defeated his Marshal and already carved realms for themselves
Regarding the portrayal of Poland in CK3 I hope when Paradox will revisit this region they could include another struggle in the game. In the case of Polish rulers, it was getting permission to be crowned Kings. To do so they had to either get permission and support from either the Emperor of HRE or from the Pope. In the case of Bolesław II the Generous, he undermined the HRE by supporting the Saxon opposition and acted as an arbitrator between the Saxons and the Polabian Slavs. That freed Saxon forces to rebel against Henry IV. He also supported the Papacy in the Investiture conflict further undermining Henry and securing the support of the Pope. Generally speaking, I wish there were more ways Poland could get involved in politics in HRE as it historically did constantly maneuvering between independence and vassalage. Still, it is possible and can be a lot of fun even in the current build of the game. Definitely recommend anyone trying to smear the Emperor's reputation and solidify alliances with his more unruly vassals. Imploding HRE is actually quite easy that way but still quite fun.
Zarąbisty pomysł. Można by też dodać że zależnie od tego kogo wybierzesz będziesz miał inne bonusy. Jak Cesarz HRE cię ukoronuje to może cię zmusić do zsotania jego wasalem ale o specjalnych przywilejach, a jak papiez to jest większa szansa że watykan da ci kase
@@randomguy6152 Yeah, the whole Pope-Emperor conflict was a _huge_ part of Western European politics (Heinrich IV, the starting Emperor in 1066 was excommunicated by the Pope and had to wait outside the Pope's palace in rags - in winter - to have the excommunication lifted.) There should be an HRE mechanic related to this conflict, because right now the HRE has almost no flavor. At least CK2 had the "investiture" mechanic - the whole thing about who had the right to appoint bishops was a major reason the Pope and the Holy Roman Emperor were at odds (although there was a lot more to it than just that).
@@rdrrr Yeahs that's all I'm saying, many countries need work but the HRE was the strongest country on the planet and the heart of Europe where everyone was marrying into and out from Till this day German princes are being born from these areas
I didnt know that too and i was actually looking for him once and couldnt find him. Is his name Sieciech too? edit: youre right! he has the correct coat of arms and 16 intrigue
Great video! A suggestion for the next one is to take a look at the Norman courtier's in William the Bastard's and the other Norman vassal's courts. There are many interesting figures who would become the Conqueror's companions when he invaded England, and many of them became leading magnates later. Some ancient and influential houses are represented, like Giffards, Ferriers, Percys, Lacys, Courtnays, Bruses, FitzAlans, and many more. I think a lot of players don't realize that these folks aren't just randomly generate npcs but actually real people with interesting stories: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companions_of_William_the_Conqueror Some of his companions are also curiously not featured in-game. It could make for an interesting topic!
Since we are on the topic of mispronunciations, "de jure" is pronounced "de yooray". I also thought it was "zhure" for a bit because it looks French, but it is Latin, which doesn't have a "zh" phoneme :P
you could argue its a borrowed word from a borrowing of a Latin and therefore not Latin anymore, specially since J is not a letter in the classic Latin alphabet
The correct Latin spelling is "de iure". Not only does Latin lack a "zh" phoneme, it doesn't have the letter "j" in its alphabet (Julius was spelled "Iulius").
The Polish and Hungarian orthographies are tricky. They both have S and SZ, but the readings are vice-versa! That's why Istvan should be pronounced [ishtvan], while, for example, the famous composer Liszt is [list].
Also, it's important to note that Polish ortography has commonalities with German ortography that differ from the English quite much, for example letters like "g", "w" and "j"
@@MadMatTom7769 As a native English speaker, English orthography is completely insane. Most languages have an orthographical system that is more-or-less phonetic. When you see an English letter, you have absolutely no idea how you should pronounce it. It's essentially random.
It's probably worth mentioning that Boleslaw II waged war against Kievan Rus' twice in intervention into internal turmoil when the starting ruler of Ruthenia Iziaslav I was deposed - he actually helped him to be reinstalled as a ruler twice - in exchange Poland probably gained control over Cherven cities on the borderlands which were contested and conquered by Rus' during the reign of Jarolsav I.
One thing that should've been mentioned. Stephen Báthory who was the Prince of Transylvania and King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania is the creator of the winged hussars as a actual military unit and reformed the previously light cavalry into a shock cavalry unit. He was Hungarian and the second King of Poland-Lithuania after the male line of the Jagiellonian Dynasty died out and married Anna Jagiellonia who was the sister of the last Jagiellonian King of Poland and Lithuania.
We originally wanted to feature Bohemia more prominently here but ended up focusing on Hungary and Poland! So yes, probably more on Bohemia and Moravia in the future - but we also talk about Bohemia in some of our HRE content if you want to check that out :)
Poland starts as a kingdom for balancing reasons as to not allow an easy HRE conquest and also due to the fact duchies just tend to love swearing fealty to empires Atleast thats what I think is the reason
They are decent for the game but could be better. State of the Piasts until the death of Bolesław III was almost fully private undertaking of the ruling family. Administration of the realm was based on hillforts/castles (Grody). Some of them were governed by representatives of the prince called in latin sources Comes (in latin comrade). They were officials/clerks of the governed land - not feudal lords. They could be assigned and reassigned if only the prince wanted to do it. During the late XII and XIII centuries colonisation of polish interior happend. It created new land ownership situation. Now nobles were not only aristocrats as they were able to use their servants (or servants assigned to governed in the prince name by them castles) to cut forests and create estates which led to feudal relations and need of new organisation system. The same situation of teritorial organisation was present in Bohemia and Hungary. I would love to see representation of this in the game, maybe as a transition stage beetwen tribal and feudal government. Also the case of Władysław, brother of Bolesław II is now rediscovered. There is new book (well... 2014) about him called "Władysław Herman: king without a crown" (unfortunately i think its only in polish). Adam Krawiec, author, shows that Władysław's weaknes is misconception and that he was a decent king. His rule is complex as the main source (Gall Anonim chronicle) is biased (writed as a propaganda by Gall for the Bolesław III who fought against his father Władysław Herman). Also there is theory that nobles wich rebeled against Bolesław II were angry for his monetary policy. His coins were from year to year lighter and lighter. When Władysław became ruler he made the even heavier than they were before. His stats should be better as for now they represents his old historiographical portrayal of weak ruler whose wife has an affair with count palatine. But imo video is good, thanks for it. I'm into this subject because I'm history student and I'm writing bachelor degree about territorial organisation of early medieval Poland with comparasion to neighbours.
The biggest problem of Crusader Kings is imo the fact that whole map during all the periods gets to be governed very simmilarily. It gets a pass in the other games, as regional politics there gets to be way more abstract, but here, where having regional leaders everywhere is basically tthe whole point, it sticks out harshly, especially outside of the Western Europe.
The king of Poland is Bolesław II Szczodry, with szczodry meaning generous so you're right. The reason why they called him Bold is that they got kings mixed. The first king was Bolesław I Chrobry (died in 1025) and chrobry can be translated to bold.
Correction: bold translates to śmiały, which is one of his two nicknames, as he was both generous and bold. He is underrated in our history and often decribed as bad king. I think he was good and right to do what he did.
Absolutely love your content man! Please do India if possible. Also realised that the bgm is going hard with Poland being resonated with their civ 6 music theme great content once again!
12:03 Piotr Włostowic was more like a governor than a duke - in Poland, except maybe earlier case of Miecław's rebellion in Mazovia and later case of Pomerellian governors from the house of Sobiesław claiming ducal title over Pomerelia during crisis of central power, only members of Piast dynasty received hereditary rule over parts of the country. There were no non-Piast feudal lords.
Suggestion for next time: "how accurate is Colombia depicted in After the End 2: a CK3 mod?" With García Marquez's "A Hundred Years of Solitude" as source.
My favorite CK3 start is starting as the nomadic Hungarians in 866 and creating a settled state in modern day Ukraine and Russia, pushing the Slavs west and creating a Uralic Empire with a Mogyer-Mordvin hybrid culture.
a short time ago i ended my totally historical run with the Haestein Dynasty, first beeing elected Emperor of the HRE shortly after converting to Catholicism and then converting back and taking all of Europe to Ásatrú in the following years because, of course, everyone would follow me to Odin and never hold to their old believes! I ended my Game later, leaving the HRE and founding the Empire of Egypt, Syria and Mesopotamia with a Norse Custom Religion. Historicity!!11
Poland and Hungary not being rivals in the middle ages is straight up historical revisionism - Hungarian chronicles themselves have multiple accounts of wars and meddling in each other's politics, and the intermarriages were no different than those both countries had with, say, the HRE. For fuck's sake, Boleslaw I. and Stephen I. fought a war *against each other* - Boleslaw conquered lands up to the Danube and was only made to give them back when the HRE intervened. And it's not like that was an isolated incident, from What is now Spis in Slovakia being in Polish ownership for quite a long time to Matthias Corvinus laying siege to Wrocalw in an attempt to gobble up SIlesia. At best you can claim that early modern to modern relations were fairly peaceful - because both kingdoms had bigger problems. Hungary got gobbled up by the Habsburgs and was dragged into the Ottoman wars and had neither time nor resources for any expansion and Poland... didn't exist for large parts of time.
@@MadMatTom7769 Only if you consider HRE to be one state actor, which you really shouldn't. You had some parts that were antagonistic (Austria), some that were sometimes antagonistic and sometimes staunch allies (Bohemia) and then you had northern Italy and you need a whiteboard and three kilometers of red string to figure out what the fuck was going on there. Poland was about on par as far as backstabbing vs war vs friends ratios are concerned. Here's a non-exhaustive list of years that were a start of a Hungarian-Polish war in the 1000-1500 period: 1017,1060,1094,1132,1471,1474,1490 Also note that there was no Poland to speak of in the 1138-1320 period, so that is 7 wars in 300 years, averaging at 42 years between wars. Which means you had pretty good odds of there not being a single generation that didn't go to a Polish-Hungarian war at some point.
I have never heard about our king Bolesław I invasion of Hungary reaching as far south as Danube, he did capture Nitra and Moravia for some time but thats all. Spisz was peacfully transfered as polish property as payment for some loans and it was basically 3 enclaves in the mountains. Most conflicts were limited to skirmishes over Moldavia and some time during XIV-XV century over Red Ruthenia, but to be fair our two nations really seldom went to open conflict, especially in comparison to the diplomatic situation over our eastern borders
@@browl218 Your broken sentences are what make me think you had a stroke and bro didn't mispronounce Polish. Go back to making videos of the sky Brandon
Actually in middle ages there weren't any special relationship between Poland ang Hungary. Sometimes we fought each other, somethimes we allied, but it was normal for the time. Only time in middle ages when both countries were in close relations is XIV c. King of newly recreated Polish kingdom Władysław the Elbow Size, allied with strong king of Hungary Carol Robert. This aliance survived longer than both monarchs and was continued by theirs sons - Casimir the Great and Louis the Great, eventually ending in Polish-Hunagrian union. But after the union was broken Polish-Hungarian relations became cold. The true Polish Hungarian friendship started when both nations were under foreign rule - Poland was under Prussia, Austira and Russia, while Hungary was under Austrian controll. Polish independence fighters fought in Hungary and Hungarians in Poland.
Thank you for the feedback - we definitely could have specifically discussed this again there after already talking about Boleslaws involvement in Hungarian politics in our section on Poland.
Honestly i never play in 1066, but the videos are very interesting. Too bad you didnt say anything about those 2 mogyer counties down south in hungary. Can you make one about romanian principalities (and pechenegs, ig)?
I'm happy about polish pronounciations and whatnot, and I'm not saying one MUST learn hungarian pronounciations, but one thing must be held into account nonetheless, and it's that "Visegrád" is pronounced [VEE-SHEG-RAD] instead of [VEE-SEG-RAD]. If nothing else, at least this could be kept in mind.
I get that some "housekeeping" might feel appropriate to do at the start of videos but honestly this one could've started at the 2 minute mark and it would've been a better product especially for new viewers.
You very well knew this comment had to appear: lengyel magyar - két jó barát együtt harcol s issza borát, vitéz s bátor mindkettője, Áldás szálljon mindkettőre Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki, oba zuchy, oba żwawi, niech im Pan Bóg błogosławi
Overall, Crusader Kings approach to titles gets rather unsuited for the Slavic rulers in the period. Generic title of the Slavic rulers was generally translated to Latin as "Dux" or "Princeps" - duke and prince, not "Rex" - king. It's because for Slavic rulers, title of Rex was seen more like a presttige ttitle of the fully independent ruler associated with the Western empire. The name of the "rex" in Slavic languages even comes from the name of the Charlemagnes. Therefore, this is not something that they were titling themselves, but were seen this as it was supposed to be granted by the pope or the emperor. Again, it was NOT a generic title of a ruler among the Slavs back than. Maybe they could represent this by making something like "Prince" the general ruler title of Slavic-speaking kingdom tier with the decision to get coronation as "King", if you have good relations with the pope, are famous and are catholic or something like that?
To be more precise to be crowned a king you needed permission from either the Emperor or from the Pope. Bolesław the Generous got this permission from the Pope after he supported the Pope in his conflict with the Emperor. Actually, there is a mod for Crusader Kings 2 called Gest Principum Polonorum that actually had that mechanic. To crown yourself King of Poland you had to either have good relations with the Emperor or with Papacy.
Also, to expand on that, this is also why very few rulers of the Rus in the period were titled "kings". The Rus was not alligned much with either Western empire or the Papacy, so they mostly kept using the typical Slavic titles for their leaders.
This is all pro-germanic revisionism, Bolesław I the Brave (not to confuse with Bolesław the Bold) crowned himself and he was worthy in every way to do so, compared to William the Bastard he was decent man while also good fighter and able leader.
I should get better at writing my comments to be a little bit gentler in tone. I was aspiring to make a comment that educates (mostly other viewers) and not chastize you, I do not expect anybody to perfectly pronounce Russian 😅
Who is going to expect engish speakers to get the pronunciation correct for every damn place. I heard swedish for the first time the other day, try as i might i couldnt figure out what language it was. Only ten million people in the world speak swedish, how would we know how to pronounce their cities. Anglo speakers just renanme places that are hard to say 👌
Old European kingdoms Poland and Hungary? I’m sure Ancient Kingdom of Poland and Hungary? I don’t think so. Just by word “ancient” I imagine kingdoms that were before Christ, like Egypt, Persia imho
Poland was a thing long before baptism (ALLEGEDLY in 966, but no hard evidence for THIS year) and contrary to german propaganda, these lands weren't all covered in forests, but mostly agricultural fields and pastures.
@@MadMatTom7769 Still, for most Europeans when you say "ancient" they think of like ancient Egypt and Mycene, not the middle ages. The 11th century is hardly ancient times.
Why did the kings of Hungary have Slavic DNA R1a, what did the research of the tomb in Stolichne Belgrade near Bel 3 in the male line find? Why was it written in Slovak Cyrillic under the Arpád family, when even our King Štefan 1 had an embroidered inscription in Slovak Cyrillic on his coronation mantle, God be generous and merciful? Why did Palatine of Hungary Juraj Turzo have a Slovak funeral, when 2 sermons were given in Slovak and 1 in Latin in the church. Why do Hungarians have nothing in common with Finns, not a single word or DNA, but they are like brothers with Slovaks? After all, they still celebrate the old Slovak Christmas - Christmas - Kračúň (shortest day of the year - solstice). SLOVAKS and HUNGARIANS are a brotherly nation artificially divided by fraudsters called historians and politicians. The Turkish 150-year occupation of today's Hungary has linguistically confused the population and torn them from their roots.
It originates from Latin, but in modern english there are two ways of pronoucing it. American english uses the more 'french' pronounciation, while British english pronouces J in Jure the same way you'd pronounce J in July.
Thanks for the shout-out guys! I am really glad I could help. It's rare to find a TH-cam channel that pays so much attention to detail and has such a good connection with members of its community.
Oh, and you absolutely nailed the pronunciation of Polish names. I'm impressed. I wonder if it took much practice
Przepraszam, czy Pan pracuje w UJ-cie?
Nothing to thank for, we really appreciated your help!
@@spartavis8904 Niestety, nie było mi to dane.
@@historyinbits well, two corrections:
1. It should rather Gniezno, not G-niezno with pause after G, as you have said it.
2. Also "sz" in Mieszko may be spelled just like English "sh", not seperated s-z. It is single sound.
This channel is so good that Im also happy with supporting where I can!
3:16 Oh, more than okay terms!
Admiral Horthy's government, on the ground of long-standing Polish-Hungarian friendship, declined, as a matter of "Hungarian honor,"Hitler's request to transit German forces across Carpathian Rus into southeastern Poland to speed up that country's conquest. The Hungarian refusal allowed the Polish government and tens of thousands of military personnel to escape into neighboring Hungary and Romania, In total, over 100,000 military and civilians, including children, fled from Poland to Hungary.
The Hungarian authorities resisted German pressure to close the Polish Institute in Budapest, a Polish cultural institution established before the war. The Institute was a place where Polish culture was freely and legally cultivated at a time when it was brutally suppressed in German- and Soviet-occupied Poland and Europe. The Institute also published Polish literature and press, and in addition to cultural activities, it helped Polish refugees and civilians in Hungary, and gave Hungarian language lessons to Poles so that they could study at Hungarian universities.
Dozens of Polish elementary schools were established in Hungary, 27 of which existed throughout the entire stay of Poles in Hungary, as well as high schools, including the significant Gymnasium and Lyceum in Balatonboglár, which functioned until the German invasion of Hungary in 1944.
In German-occupied southeastern Poland, Hungarian soldiers gave shelter to Poles fleeing Ukrainian-perpetrated massacres, aided the Polish population with food, repelled attacks on Poles and Jews by Ukrainian nationalists, and hunted Ukrainian murderers of Poles. In 1941, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists called for the mass murder of Poles, Hungarians, Jews and Russians. In 1944, Hungarians gave shelter to Poles who escaped the Ukrainian murderers to Hungary, and also facilitated further escapes.
In 1944, Hungarian soldiers refused to help Germans suppress the Warsaw Uprising in German-occupied Poland. Instead, Hungarians gave weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to the Polish insurgents. Some Hungarians who were caught doing so were executed by the Germans. Captured Polish insurgents were bandaged and fed by Hungarians, then released, given weapons and food, and shown the way out of German encirclement. Hungarians also rescued Polish insurgents by refusing to turn them over to the Germans, warned Poles of planned German pacifications, and took care of surviving Polish civilians.
Some Hungarians even joined the fights on the side of the Polish insurgents. After the uprising, Hungarians shared food, medicines, and bandages with the expelled Polish population, whom they were supposed to convoy. The Hungarians also managed to save some Poles from deportation to German forced labour camps and concentration camps, for example by unhitching some of the wagons on the deportation trains.
Hello, Seb here, writer of this video's script. Thank you very much for elaborating on this - I remember hearing about the special relationship the two countries shared in the interwar period in a lecture of my undergraduate studies at UCL, but I could not find any good literature diving deeper into this during my research for this script. Can you recommend any literature?
@@historyinbits Hi! The Wikipedia article titled "Hungary-Poland relations" is high quaility and has a lot of sources.
Sadly most of those sources are either in hungarian or in polish.
One english source is "Kovács, E. "Hungarian-Polish Relations between the Two World Wars." Acta Historica Academiae Scientiarum Hungaricae 18.1/2 (1972)"
TH-cam doesnt allow links, it's in the further reading Tab of the article.
Truly a visegrad moment
One of the Visegrads of all time
This is a certified visegrad classic
Hungarians were so committed to Visegrad they even named their capital after it. Truly one of the Visegrads of all time
🎉#VISGARD💒💯%
Some fun extra facts for the Hungary part:
I.Béla the previous king died due to his throne collapsed on him (for real).
I. László also made saint later too and he was know as a knight king, because he was the one who finished the conversion of the country and protecting it from the pagan Pechenengs. Also there is a story that Salamon was captive during László's reign until the day I. István was made saint. They coud not open the coffin of István until Salamon was relesased. Thats why Hungary's national holiday is not aug.15. (death of István) but aug.20. (when he made saint).
Also you can find an another ruling house of Hungary in the game, the Aba. The third king Sámuel's descedants (his son is Prince Peter) can be found in Zemplén and played.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing this. And with the national holiday still very much relevant today.
Actually Bela I didn't die from his throne collapsing on him. He was injured and dying but they still couldn't stop him from going to the camps of the Hungarian army preparing to face another invasion by the Holy Roman Emperor who was accompanied by Solomon. He was going to lead the Hungarians into battle until his last breath. He died there, and it's a possibility he was poisoned by supporters of the Holy Roman Empire.
11:27 actually the realm was split between Władysław's sons (Bolesław and Zbigniew) after his death and Bolesław ruled over united Poland only after he banished and blinded his brother
It's also worth mentioning that before Władysław's death, his sons defeated his Marshal and already carved realms for themselves
Regarding the portrayal of Poland in CK3 I hope when Paradox will revisit this region they could include another struggle in the game. In the case of Polish rulers, it was getting permission to be crowned Kings. To do so they had to either get permission and support from either the Emperor of HRE or from the Pope.
In the case of Bolesław II the Generous, he undermined the HRE by supporting the Saxon opposition and acted as an arbitrator between the Saxons and the Polabian Slavs. That freed Saxon forces to rebel against Henry IV. He also supported the Papacy in the Investiture conflict further undermining Henry and securing the support of the Pope.
Generally speaking, I wish there were more ways Poland could get involved in politics in HRE as it historically did constantly maneuvering between independence and vassalage. Still, it is possible and can be a lot of fun even in the current build of the game.
Definitely recommend anyone trying to smear the Emperor's reputation and solidify alliances with his more unruly vassals. Imploding HRE is actually quite easy that way but still quite fun.
even HRE politics isn't that in depth that's a lot to ask just for Poland, they gotta fix the HRE first
@@randomguy6152 I am not asking it just ofr Poland but in general. I agree HRE still needs some work.
Zarąbisty pomysł. Można by też dodać że zależnie od tego kogo wybierzesz będziesz miał inne bonusy. Jak Cesarz HRE cię ukoronuje to może cię zmusić do zsotania jego wasalem ale o specjalnych przywilejach, a jak papiez to jest większa szansa że watykan da ci kase
@@randomguy6152 Yeah, the whole Pope-Emperor conflict was a _huge_ part of Western European politics (Heinrich IV, the starting Emperor in 1066 was excommunicated by the Pope and had to wait outside the Pope's palace in rags - in winter - to have the excommunication lifted.)
There should be an HRE mechanic related to this conflict, because right now the HRE has almost no flavor. At least CK2 had the "investiture" mechanic - the whole thing about who had the right to appoint bishops was a major reason the Pope and the Holy Roman Emperor were at odds (although there was a lot more to it than just that).
@@rdrrr Yeahs that's all I'm saying, many countries need work but the HRE was the strongest country on the planet and the heart of Europe where everyone was marrying into and out from
Till this day German princes are being born from these areas
10:49 Said martial, Sieciech, is actually in game ruling Zielona Góra.
Aah fascinating, unfortunately we missed that!
I didnt know that too and i was actually looking for him once and couldnt find him. Is his name Sieciech too?
edit: youre right! he has the correct coat of arms and 16 intrigue
Great video! A suggestion for the next one is to take a look at the Norman courtier's in William the Bastard's and the other Norman vassal's courts. There are many interesting figures who would become the Conqueror's companions when he invaded England, and many of them became leading magnates later. Some ancient and influential houses are represented, like Giffards, Ferriers, Percys, Lacys, Courtnays, Bruses, FitzAlans, and many more. I think a lot of players don't realize that these folks aren't just randomly generate npcs but actually real people with interesting stories: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companions_of_William_the_Conqueror
Some of his companions are also curiously not featured in-game. It could make for an interesting topic!
Since we are on the topic of mispronunciations, "de jure" is pronounced "de yooray". I also thought it was "zhure" for a bit because it looks French, but it is Latin, which doesn't have a "zh" phoneme :P
you could argue its a borrowed word from a borrowing of a Latin and therefore not Latin anymore, specially since J is not a letter in the classic Latin alphabet
The correct Latin spelling is "de iure". Not only does Latin lack a "zh" phoneme, it doesn't have the letter "j" in its alphabet (Julius was spelled "Iulius").
The Polish and Hungarian orthographies are tricky. They both have S and SZ, but the readings are vice-versa! That's why Istvan should be pronounced [ishtvan], while, for example, the famous composer Liszt is [list].
Also, it's important to note that Polish ortography has commonalities with German ortography that differ from the English quite much, for example letters like "g", "w" and "j"
@@vladprus4019 I always wondered why englishmen have this WEIRD pronounciation of "j". Always felt stupid for me.
@@MadMatTom7769 As a native English speaker, English orthography is completely insane. Most languages have an orthographical system that is more-or-less phonetic. When you see an English letter, you have absolutely no idea how you should pronounce it. It's essentially random.
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Poland and Hungary trying not to be gay for each other: impossible edition 💀
LGBT is heavily looked down in both country. However we can be gay for each other on March 23
Good for them @@weirdguylol
@@weirdguylolyoung poles aren't very bigoted, it's mostly the old fucks
Woohoo! Really glad for another upload
Glad to have you watch!
It's probably worth mentioning that Boleslaw II waged war against Kievan Rus' twice in intervention into internal turmoil when the starting ruler of Ruthenia Iziaslav I was deposed - he actually helped him to be reinstalled as a ruler twice - in exchange Poland probably gained control over Cherven cities on the borderlands which were contested and conquered by Rus' during the reign of Jarolsav I.
One thing that should've been mentioned. Stephen Báthory who was the Prince of Transylvania and King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania is the creator of the winged hussars as a actual military unit and reformed the previously light cavalry into a shock cavalry unit. He was Hungarian and the second King of Poland-Lithuania after the male line of the Jagiellonian Dynasty died out and married Anna Jagiellonia who was the sister of the last Jagiellonian King of Poland and Lithuania.
You know what HiB? Thank YOU for another fantastic video!
I created Slovakia as a custom kingdom today so this upload is well-timed.
Haha nice. Feel free to share your stories
Wait a thousand years maybe, and it will be well timed
Great content as always!
Great video as always! Can you make one about Bohemia or Great Moravia?
We originally wanted to feature Bohemia more prominently here but ended up focusing on Hungary and Poland! So yes, probably more on Bohemia and Moravia in the future - but we also talk about Bohemia in some of our HRE content if you want to check that out :)
@@historyinbits those few sentences was not enought
@@Daign-pd5wv got it :D
Poland starts as a kingdom for balancing reasons as to not allow an easy HRE conquest and also due to the fact duchies just tend to love swearing fealty to empires
Atleast thats what I think is the reason
you'd be correct.
They are decent for the game but could be better.
State of the Piasts until the death of Bolesław III was almost fully private undertaking of the ruling family. Administration of the realm was based on hillforts/castles (Grody). Some of them were governed by representatives of the prince called in latin sources Comes (in latin comrade). They were officials/clerks of the governed land - not feudal lords. They could be assigned and reassigned if only the prince wanted to do it. During the late XII and XIII centuries colonisation of polish interior happend. It created new land ownership situation. Now nobles were not only aristocrats as they were able to use their servants (or servants assigned to governed in the prince name by them castles) to cut forests and create estates which led to feudal relations and need of new organisation system. The same situation of teritorial organisation was present in Bohemia and Hungary. I would love to see representation of this in the game, maybe as a transition stage beetwen tribal and feudal government.
Also the case of Władysław, brother of Bolesław II is now rediscovered. There is new book (well... 2014) about him called "Władysław Herman: king without a crown" (unfortunately i think its only in polish). Adam Krawiec, author, shows that Władysław's weaknes is misconception and that he was a decent king. His rule is complex as the main source (Gall Anonim chronicle) is biased (writed as a propaganda by Gall for the Bolesław III who fought against his father Władysław Herman). Also there is theory that nobles wich rebeled against Bolesław II were angry for his monetary policy. His coins were from year to year lighter and lighter. When Władysław became ruler he made the even heavier than they were before. His stats should be better as for now they represents his old historiographical portrayal of weak ruler whose wife has an affair with count palatine.
But imo video is good, thanks for it. I'm into this subject because I'm history student and I'm writing bachelor degree about territorial organisation of early medieval Poland with comparasion to neighbours.
The biggest problem of Crusader Kings is imo the fact that whole map during all the periods gets to be governed very simmilarily. It gets a pass in the other games, as regional politics there gets to be way more abstract, but here, where having regional leaders everywhere is basically tthe whole point, it sticks out harshly, especially outside of the Western Europe.
Whenever I play as Hungary in CK3, I make an effort to make Hungarian-Polish relations good. We need to watch out for each other.
Kudos to you, kind sir! A grand effort.
Thanks for always giving me a new angle to go at CK3 with! Now to either re-write history with these realms or go for accuracy in a playthrough.
You’re welcome, thanks for watching our videos!
Great work
Thank you!
I would love to see a vid on Holland, Flanders, etc. The lowlands or benelux basically.
7:34 Exact dates of Polish controll of Pomerania are unknown. It is suposed that in times of Bolesław II Pomerania was indeed independent.
I didn’t know anglicans had a unique dialect of English.
I’m sure he meant Anglian which is an apt, albeit unusual, way to refer to the English language
@@localcatdude I know, I’ll admit being a bit of a douche
The king of Poland is Bolesław II Szczodry, with szczodry meaning generous so you're right. The reason why they called him Bold is that they got kings mixed. The first king was Bolesław I Chrobry (died in 1025) and chrobry can be translated to bold.
Correction: bold translates to śmiały, which is one of his two nicknames, as he was both generous and bold. He is underrated in our history and often decribed as bad king. I think he was good and right to do what he did.
For a long time I wondered how to start comprehending this period of history.
Absolutely what I needed in my life!
Absolutely love your content man! Please do India if possible. Also realised that the bgm is going hard with Poland being resonated with their civ 6 music theme great content once again!
I LOVE HISTORY IN BITS!
12:03 Piotr Włostowic was more like a governor than a duke - in Poland, except maybe earlier case of Miecław's rebellion in Mazovia and later case of Pomerellian governors from the house of Sobiesław claiming ducal title over Pomerelia during crisis of central power, only members of Piast dynasty received hereditary rule over parts of the country. There were no non-Piast feudal lords.
Very interesting, thank you for this input!
In fact feudalism never fully adopted in PL which was good cause it's cruel system
Awesome video! Could you do a video on the 876 start in Iran with the recently released Legacy of Persia?
YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO COOL!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, your support means a lot :)
Suggestion for next time: "how accurate is Colombia depicted in After the End 2: a CK3 mod?" With García Marquez's "A Hundred Years of Solitude" as source.
You did quite well with polish pronunciation. Congratulations!
My favorite CK3 start is starting as the nomadic Hungarians in 866 and creating a settled state in modern day Ukraine and Russia, pushing the Slavs west and creating a Uralic Empire with a Mogyer-Mordvin hybrid culture.
a short time ago i ended my totally historical run with the Haestein Dynasty, first beeing elected Emperor of the HRE shortly after converting to Catholicism and then converting back and taking all of Europe to Ásatrú in the following years because, of course, everyone would follow me to Odin and never hold to their old believes! I ended my Game later, leaving the HRE and founding the Empire of Egypt, Syria and Mesopotamia with a Norse Custom Religion. Historicity!!11
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Northerners much overrated. Only Normans and Varangians stood out.
Poland and Hungary not being rivals in the middle ages is straight up historical revisionism - Hungarian chronicles themselves have multiple accounts of wars and meddling in each other's politics, and the intermarriages were no different than those both countries had with, say, the HRE. For fuck's sake, Boleslaw I. and Stephen I. fought a war *against each other* - Boleslaw conquered lands up to the Danube and was only made to give them back when the HRE intervened. And it's not like that was an isolated incident, from What is now Spis in Slovakia being in Polish ownership for quite a long time to Matthias Corvinus laying siege to Wrocalw in an attempt to gobble up SIlesia.
At best you can claim that early modern to modern relations were fairly peaceful - because both kingdoms had bigger problems. Hungary got gobbled up by the Habsburgs and was dragged into the Ottoman wars and had neither time nor resources for any expansion and Poland... didn't exist for large parts of time.
True but also Hungary were still better neighbours to Poland than Germany/so-called-HRE (literally worst neighbour ever)
@@MadMatTom7769 Only if you consider HRE to be one state actor, which you really shouldn't. You had some parts that were antagonistic (Austria), some that were sometimes antagonistic and sometimes staunch allies (Bohemia) and then you had northern Italy and you need a whiteboard and three kilometers of red string to figure out what the fuck was going on there.
Poland was about on par as far as backstabbing vs war vs friends ratios are concerned. Here's a non-exhaustive list of years that were a start of a Hungarian-Polish war in the 1000-1500 period:
1017,1060,1094,1132,1471,1474,1490
Also note that there was no Poland to speak of in the 1138-1320 period, so that is 7 wars in 300 years, averaging at 42 years between wars.
Which means you had pretty good odds of there not being a single generation that didn't go to a Polish-Hungarian war at some point.
@@MartinGreywolf "Also note that there was no Poland to speak of in the 1138-1320 period" - what..?
I have never heard about our king Bolesław I invasion of Hungary reaching as far south as Danube, he did capture Nitra and Moravia for some time but thats all. Spisz was peacfully transfered as polish property as payment for some loans and it was basically 3 enclaves in the mountains. Most conflicts were limited to skirmishes over Moldavia and some time during XIV-XV century over Red Ruthenia, but to be fair our two nations really seldom went to open conflict, especially in comparison to the diplomatic situation over our eastern borders
Another great video
7:55 doesnt really help when the speech bubble blocks the entire region your talking about :p
I started as Poland in CKIII, and formed the Baltic Empire eventually. Now that Empire takes up more than half the map.
My man already pronounced Árpád incorrectly, we Magyars aren't that expensive
Don't worry he pronounced incorrectly polish as well
@@browl218 How you gonna tell a lie and have a stroke in the same sentence
@@tree_sentinel_ghost where stroke at. Also where lie? Are you speaking polish or only pretending
@@browl218 You the one pretending lol
@@browl218 Your broken sentences are what make me think you had a stroke and bro didn't mispronounce Polish. Go back to making videos of the sky Brandon
Any chance of getting a breakdown on the smaller states in eastern Europe? Baltics/Balkans and such.
For future videos involving Hungary: in Hungarian you pronounce s as sh, like in "shoe". The regular s sound in Hungarian is made by the sz.
9:18 that's a very good aim for Poland, sadly it didn't work out in the majority of Poland's existence.
Actually in middle ages there weren't any special relationship between Poland ang Hungary. Sometimes we fought each other, somethimes we allied, but it was normal for the time. Only time in middle ages when both countries were in close relations is XIV c. King of newly recreated Polish kingdom Władysław the Elbow Size, allied with strong king of Hungary Carol Robert. This aliance survived longer than both monarchs and was continued by theirs sons - Casimir the Great and Louis the Great, eventually ending in Polish-Hunagrian union. But after the union was broken Polish-Hungarian relations became cold. The true Polish Hungarian friendship started when both nations were under foreign rule - Poland was under Prussia, Austira and Russia, while Hungary was under Austrian controll. Polish independence fighters fought in Hungary and Hungarians in Poland.
At first I was like wait why aren't you talking about Bohemia as well but I forgot they were talkes about in the Holy Roman Empire episode lol
We might cover them more in-depth again in the future!
Great video.
Thanks for doing Poland
Nothing to thank for :)
I would love to know about some of the history of the far east - Xi Xia, Guiyi, Tibetan governments etc!
Cherven Cities belonged to Poland before 981 and then in 1018-1031 and 1078-1085.
15:14 it is sad that you have not mentioned, that both Gejza and Laszlo have been substantially supported militarily by king Bolesław of Poland.
Thank you for the feedback - we definitely could have specifically discussed this again there after already talking about Boleslaws involvement in Hungarian politics in our section on Poland.
As far as your pronounciation- good job, shows you put time and practice! Polish is not a cakewalk- very high on the complexity ladder.
Honestly i never play in 1066, but the videos are very interesting. Too bad you didnt say anything about those 2 mogyer counties down south in hungary.
Can you make one about romanian principalities (and pechenegs, ig)?
Erm... Włost was simply Piotr Włostowic's father, it's in the name (Włostowic is a patronymic). He did actually exist.
Don't worry. Your pronunciation was very good.
Is there a lore reason why Hungary is hungry? Is he famished?
I love your pronounciation!! Its a bit off but I can tell you try your best, Its cute. Keep it up!
I'm happy about polish pronounciations and whatnot, and I'm not saying one MUST learn hungarian pronounciations, but one thing must be held into account nonetheless, and it's that "Visegrád" is pronounced [VEE-SHEG-RAD] instead of [VEE-SEG-RAD]. If nothing else, at least this could be kept in mind.
I get that some "housekeeping" might feel appropriate to do at the start of videos but honestly this one could've started at the 2 minute mark and it would've been a better product especially for new viewers.
Thank you for the feedback, we'll take this into account!
The participation of Austria-Hungary has enraged the Entante, who punished them severely.
Id really like a video on the wallachia/moldova region
My native Poland Finally!
Do Georgia Next
12:47 he's a saint?!?!
Is there any history on the Pechenegs and Cumans?
You very well knew this comment had to appear:
lengyel magyar - két jó barát együtt harcol s issza borát, vitéz s bátor mindkettője, Áldás szálljon mindkettőre
Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki, oba zuchy, oba żwawi, niech im Pan Bóg błogosławi
Croatia and hungary from 1o88 was one country to 192o
even today Hungary and Poland are stillbeing bros by vetoing laws in the EU together
Ah yes, today I will play as a Polish character!
>Wzczczprzcjszczy of Kwzczcvyzkyzkograd
Nevermind!
I even know that guy
-szczy -grad, more like russian character not polish
I would play. as as Salomon as he is the rightful king of hungary
Overall, Crusader Kings approach to titles gets rather unsuited for the Slavic rulers in the period.
Generic title of the Slavic rulers was generally translated to Latin as "Dux" or "Princeps" - duke and prince, not "Rex" - king. It's because for Slavic rulers, title of Rex was seen more like a presttige ttitle of the fully independent ruler associated with the Western empire. The name of the "rex" in Slavic languages even comes from the name of the Charlemagnes. Therefore, this is not something that they were titling themselves, but were seen this as it was supposed to be granted by the pope or the emperor. Again, it was NOT a generic title of a ruler among the Slavs back than.
Maybe they could represent this by making something like "Prince" the general ruler title of Slavic-speaking kingdom tier with the decision to get coronation as "King", if you have good relations with the pope, are famous and are catholic or something like that?
I like this idea!
To be more precise to be crowned a king you needed permission from either the Emperor or from the Pope.
Bolesław the Generous got this permission from the Pope after he supported the Pope in his conflict with the Emperor.
Actually, there is a mod for Crusader Kings 2 called Gest Principum Polonorum that actually had that mechanic. To crown yourself King of Poland you had to either have good relations with the Emperor or with Papacy.
Also, to expand on that, this is also why very few rulers of the Rus in the period were titled "kings". The Rus was not alligned much with either Western empire or the Papacy, so they mostly kept using the typical Slavic titles for their leaders.
This is all pro-germanic revisionism, Bolesław I the Brave (not to confuse with Bolesław the Bold) crowned himself and he was worthy in every way to do so, compared to William the Bastard he was decent man while also good fighter and able leader.
i love this channel so much but please, coronated isn’t a word
Isnt it? :D
I should get better at writing my comments to be a little bit gentler in tone. I was aspiring to make a comment that educates (mostly other viewers) and not chastize you, I do not expect anybody to perfectly pronounce Russian 😅
No worries :)
France next please 🙏 🇫🇷
Yes, we still need to do France!
I like to play as the Duke of transylvania in 1066 start date and marry the king of Croatia's sister and press my own claim for Hungary
Very great video.
Im a little short on money right now, so just so you know, I will be subbing to the patreon again when I can
Let’s go🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Woohoo
Was it a Chopin in background?
Yes, Nocturne in D Flat Major! Music list in description!
Well after all the video is about Poland 😊
@@spartavis8904 And Hungary, let's not forget the Liszt in the background as well.
Why do people get so pissed off at mispronunciations. Literally who cares. English is his native tongue so there’s not much he can do about it.
Because it is just plain rude and in most cases you need just 5 minutes to learn the correct pronunciation?
Make one about the Vlachs too.
Will look into it! :)
The Vlachs did not had a country back than. Thay were practising transhumance at the time on the Balcan peninsula.
I forgive for not being a cunning linguist
why apologize for being anglican it's not like were all experts, on other cultures
Who is going to expect engish speakers to get the pronunciation correct for every damn place. I heard swedish for the first time the other day, try as i might i couldnt figure out what language it was. Only ten million people in the world speak swedish, how would we know how to pronounce their cities. Anglo speakers just renanme places that are hard to say 👌
Old European kingdoms Poland and Hungary? I’m sure
Ancient Kingdom of Poland and Hungary? I don’t think so.
Just by word “ancient” I imagine kingdoms that were before Christ, like Egypt, Persia imho
Poland was a thing long before baptism (ALLEGEDLY in 966, but no hard evidence for THIS year) and contrary to german propaganda, these lands weren't all covered in forests, but mostly agricultural fields and pastures.
@@MadMatTom7769 Still, for most Europeans when you say "ancient" they think of like ancient Egypt and Mycene, not the middle ages. The 11th century is hardly ancient times.
I know that and no one stated that 11th century belong to ancient times
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Why did the kings of Hungary have Slavic DNA R1a, what did the research of the tomb in Stolichne Belgrade near Bel 3 in the male line find? Why was it written in Slovak Cyrillic under the Arpád family, when even our King Štefan 1 had an embroidered inscription in Slovak Cyrillic on his coronation mantle, God be generous and merciful? Why did Palatine of Hungary Juraj Turzo have a Slovak funeral, when 2 sermons were given in Slovak and 1 in Latin in the church. Why do Hungarians have nothing in common with Finns, not a single word or DNA, but they are like brothers with Slovaks? After all, they still celebrate the old Slovak Christmas - Christmas - Kračúň (shortest day of the year - solstice). SLOVAKS and HUNGARIANS are a brotherly nation artificially divided by fraudsters called historians and politicians. The Turkish 150-year occupation of today's Hungary has linguistically confused the population and torn them from their roots.
You're starting the video 2 minutes in, this is unacceptable, work on that. Just jump immidiately in without all that crap.
u didnt touch on the fact that Transilvania is pirtrayed as fully hungarian despite the heavy vlach pressence in the area at the time
In 1066? That's not a historical fact.
Dude stop saying de jure like it is a French word cos it’s Latin
It originates from Latin, but in modern english there are two ways of pronoucing it. American english uses the more 'french' pronounciation, while British english pronouces J in Jure the same way you'd pronounce J in July.
@@The_Yukki still does not make it sound any less bad
@@slimdoghnutidontknowwhatsl8099 seems like you don't like French
@@Danila438 indeed
Modern english is a French-Saxon hybrid. We pronounce many words with a French style.