Honestly the arc would have hit so different if zamasu took over gohan body instead of goku especially for trunks because you basically seeing your mentor that died in front of you killing everyone in your timeline.
The thing is that Rose is what happens when innate/natural god energy stacks with Super Saiyan. Blue is what happens when obtained/non-innate god energy stacks with Super Saiyan. So Zamasu's innate god energy stacks with Ultimate to create Ultimate Rose. Which also indicates that Ultimate Blue does exist or is possible. So I'd assume that Ultimate Rose is, like, the hypothetical peak for Zamasu in most universes.
at 14:59 since we know that beast gohan will appear in dlc. they should do a what if inside the what if. where gohan goes beast here and FUCKS UP Zamasu lol
YEAAA! I really hope they're going Beast there as a choicepoint with the dlc. Then I just want Zamasu to break from being baffled as to how he never went Beast and why he still can't. I want him to scream about how he has been using that body for years to push to its ultimate potential, how could the mortal break past him in a day!? I want him to ask how he could have failed to reach that rage, and have Gohan mid dismembering him just coldly say "you are empty. You never got angry enough because you have nothing to protect... You are nothing but what you stole because you never cared about anything but yourself." Have it to really double down on that point a Trunks what if made and emphasize Gohan being a hero for the innocent and protector of his family.
I would love for Gohan Black to somehow become a playable character in the future. Since he transforms into Ultimate in your second battle with him, that must mean that the character you're fighting is a version of Adult Gohan that can transform into Ultimate, which would be sick
@@TheGershon I agree 100 percent, Kyle Herbert really nailed the cadence and tone of Zamasu's english voice. Sean Schemmel only sounds somewhat like Zamasu at best, but seems to be doing his own thing overall.
@@JoKeSh92 idk why he won't give up the faux british thing, it's not as much as it was when XV2 first dropped but he doesn't sound anything like Zamasu to me
it really disappointed me when i finished playing this arc that I didn't unlock him as an alternate outfit for Goku Black or Ultimate Gohan same deal with another what if from the future trunks story where Future Trunks (Super) fights without his sword. I really hope they add them in an update.
I mean nah it’s just as you said. It’s mystic/ultimate form. It can’t even be rose because rose is black’s version of SSGSS. But there’s no Super Saiyan in this transformation so it’s literally just mystic form.
@@LocalTrapTVnaw rose is a super Sayian version of Zamasu with God ki zamasu added that with gohan ultimate his potential super sayian blue is a God ki version of super sayian
@@LocalTrapTV His Ki color changes to pink tho. It's gotta be some kind of version of Rose. Plus he says "New transformation" not something like "Look familiar?" or "I can do it too"
I always love how everyone react to "Trunks attack Gohan" and will react with either "No way" then wait to witness with their own eyes OR a sudden realisation LOL
Regarding the IDW Sonic comments earlier in this stream: No, Sonic does indeed something along the "we don't have to do this, you can still turn over a new leaf" thing. It just used to be FAR more subtle. Sonic telling Tikal that resealing Chaos won't quell his anger and opting to stop him a different way. Sonic hitting Metal with the "We're Sonic Heroes. Let me know if you wanna rematch.". Simple things that shows he can tell the difference between a mindless, heartless monster that needs to be put down, and another person that can be reasoned with, at least after he beats them, rather than killing them. The IDW problem is that he's WAY too wordy. I think I've heard someone describe it something along the lines of "Sonic talks like a motivational poster". Something like that where he's just speaking unnaturally like he's speaking to you or something. Also I already knew about this What If because I saw it in my feed. Thought it was a Custom Battle, but turns out devs actually cooked this. And I gotta say, MUCH better handling of Gohan than canon, and MUCH better version of the Black arc than the anime.
I think that' one of the biggest and most valid of the franchise in general. Back in the day they used to get the same results by doing a lot of "show and don't tell" and now they do a lot of "tell and don't show" and sometimes it gets REAL exposition dumpy and they're having a hard time finding the right balance. Part of me understands because they're making it pretty clear they're trying to being in a new age of fans and what worked on older ones might not work on the new generation and back in the day they sometimes took "show and don't tell" a bit too far and left some stuff TOO vague and up to interpretation but at the same time, you are a 30+ year old franchise at this point dawg lol y'all should know how to strike that balance and lock in.
Kyle herbert is truly one of the goat VA's, i mean he played one of the most iconic villans in anime as Aizen so playing a bad guy should be a cake walk for him
The form Gohan did in the Black arc is just potential unleashed with god ki. I honestly like it the way they did. I know it still is blue balls and would've been cool to see a Rose Gohan, but I'm still satisfied with what we had regardless.
How does this what if and the manga are already better than the Anime version 😭 Plus I was so mad these weren’t skins for Goku black and Fused Zamasu. They better add them in later!
Why in the hell did they not put beast and orange in the game, man. Him going beast when hearing about pan and videls fate couldn’t be a more perfect opportunity to whip it out
they somehow didnt think to make it an outfit or alt character so im hoping we get a free update that gives us one or the other, i wish they did a bit more with the alternate timelines like secret characters to unlock like gohan black or like ssj blue future trunks or something or maybe made those the characters you get from super shenron wish instead of goku black and fused zamasu
Someone commented earlier that they probably didn’t want to spoil ppl who were playing online. Hopefully he gets added soon tho cuz I’m pretty sure most ppl know it exists now lol
I think Gohan just needs to not fight as a front line character. It is not fitting of his character since he ultimately dislikes going out of his way to fight like Goku or Vegeta do. He can 100% keep up with his training, maybe have him learn the Turtle School methods instead of the harsh ones that Piccolo made him do, but his character and personality are more fitting for the chill guy that just stays at home and takes care of his family, but the second someone steps in his house with ill intent they meet King Yenma in the next 3 seconds and then he's back to chill. Basically, don't have him push his limits, but keep him capable of reaching his limits in the first place and put him back on standby.
I think the Gohan Black was WAY better than the anime and manga versions of the Goku Black arc, in my opinion. Not only this made Gohan a more pragmatic character, actively preparing for the worst at the first chance he got rather than taking Beerus’s word at face value about the erasure of Zamasu like the anime, but not only did he learn the Evil Containment Wave, but actually succeeded in using the technique, which was the key factor to victory and actually saving Trunks’s timeline, saving us from another garbage, meaningless ending! This also doesn’t undermine Trunks’s theme; that together, mortals can overcome difficult odds, even if said obstacles are gods, but Zamasu almost merging with the universe, and needing Grand Zeno(the God of Gods) coming in and erasing everything, including Trunks’s home, just takes a dump on all that and made the entire arc pointless!
This is unironically better, Gohan Black has almost as much potential as Goku Black. Goku Black's "The Legend that was the key to saving his future" (This is to say Goku surviving is the factor that led to the end of the Cell Arc) is good but so is Gohan Black since Gohan was once Trunks' master. Gohan was one who lasted the longest against the androids and is the one who trained Trunks before he went to the past. There is so much potential there, even if certain details are muddy because this is a Sparking Episode and not a fully animated arc, the ending makes up for any roughness that you might find in the arc. The ending avoided multiple writing mistakes made in the arc, caused by the show just not knowing who they wanted to finish Zamasu off with. For a brief rundown, they thought of using the Mafuba but they didn't want that to be what beat Zamasu so they had Goku forget the sealing tag. They had to make Goku forgetful so it wouldn't work. They decided to go with Vegito but they didn't want to kill Zamasu with him, so they retconned in a time limit and THEN had him defuse early. They decided Trunks should deal the finishing blow but had him do a Spirit Bomb esc technique to do it. This didn't work because he was never shown learning about Genki, he also never saw Goku use the Spirit Bomb. There's no reason for him to know this technique but it didn't matter anyway because they decided they wanted Zeno to do it. More likely they realized they can't kill an Immortal this way, but they already threw the Mafuba in the trash so they couldn't do that. This is where the horribly unsatisfying ending comes in where they have Zeno erase Trunks' whole timeline rendering all of his efforts pointless. Worse yet they decide to just toss him and Future Mai into another timeline where they have doubles. This is so horribly bad because this is the end of Future Trunks' story, his whole ordeal ends with him hopping into another timeline, that isn't his own where none of the bad things happened. Also, they did it using Whis despite the fact the Gods frown upon any time traveling, like at all. This What If fixes all of that, Gohan and Trunks get a big role in trashing Zamasu and they are both responsible for sealing him away with the Mafuba which wasn't wasted for the arc. They seal Zamasu away and Trunks is left in his timeline to fix everything now that the crisis is over, and he gets his timeline back. The ending is SO much better than the Goku Black arc and it isn't nearly as bloated, not to mention the number of horrible writings that was avoided.
This version just as good as the manga version to me. Idk how they fumbled from the manga to the show adaptation 😂 but they cooked for this what if 🔥🔥🔥.
@@LocalTrapTV They were made at around the same time, but manga monthly schedule caused it to fall behind the weekly anime schedule, to the point where I think the anime concluded before the manga ToP even started I believe.
I unironically think this version of the Zamasu Arc is better than what we got in the anime
FACTUAL STATEMENT
Agreed
True
Now I’m actually mad that this isn’t what we got
Agreed
The only thing that would truely make this "better" than the Goku Black Arc is if Gohan and Trunks were to fuse finally against Merged Zamasu.
Peak fiction
Nah the execution of this arc is jsut straight up better than the original. Even the ending is better
Fusion of The Drink and The Sandwich makes THE BREAKFAST
@@NubDiePieAlternatively, 🥷’s could call them The Lunch
@@NubDiePie 🥷's call me the picnic
Honestly the arc would have hit so different if zamasu took over gohan body instead of goku especially for trunks because you basically seeing your mentor that died in front of you killing everyone in your timeline.
11:12 I think thats zamasu ki mixed with ultimate gohan power. Like how zamasu ki is mixed with ssb creating rosé
The thing is that Rose is what happens when innate/natural god energy stacks with Super Saiyan. Blue is what happens when obtained/non-innate god energy stacks with Super Saiyan. So Zamasu's innate god energy stacks with Ultimate to create Ultimate Rose. Which also indicates that Ultimate Blue does exist or is possible. So I'd assume that Ultimate Rose is, like, the hypothetical peak for Zamasu in most universes.
at 14:59 since we know that beast gohan will appear in dlc. they should do a what if inside the what if. where gohan goes beast here and FUCKS UP Zamasu lol
That would be fire
YEAAA! I really hope they're going Beast there as a choicepoint with the dlc.
Then I just want Zamasu to break from being baffled as to how he never went Beast and why he still can't. I want him to scream about how he has been using that body for years to push to its ultimate potential, how could the mortal break past him in a day!? I want him to ask how he could have failed to reach that rage, and have Gohan mid dismembering him just coldly say "you are empty. You never got angry enough because you have nothing to protect... You are nothing but what you stole because you never cared about anything but yourself."
Have it to really double down on that point a Trunks what if made and emphasize Gohan being a hero for the innocent and protector of his family.
I would love for Gohan Black to somehow become a playable character in the future. Since he transforms into Ultimate in your second battle with him, that must mean that the character you're fighting is a version of Adult Gohan that can transform into Ultimate, which would be sick
I love how his voice is different too also I hope hes playable in the future
I would just be happy with a ultimate Gohan skin honestly but him being playable would be peak
@LocalTrapTV Imma say they wanted time to pass so people wouldnt get spoiled instantly by seeing him in online battles or sumn
Honestly he does it better than Goku Black, he actually sounds like Zamasu talking with Gohan's voice
@@TheGershon I agree 100 percent, Kyle Herbert really nailed the cadence and tone of Zamasu's english voice. Sean Schemmel only sounds somewhat like Zamasu at best, but seems to be doing his own thing overall.
@@JoKeSh92 idk why he won't give up the faux british thing, it's not as much as it was when XV2 first dropped but he doesn't sound anything like Zamasu to me
Just realised that Gohan Black's voice is essentially Kyle Hebert doing his Sosuke Aizen voice from Bleach.
Local this is the scene I was spoiled about on social media. I told you would get hyped after seeing. Man I was so mad it got ruined for me before
I’m so sorry that happened to you
it really disappointed me when i finished playing this arc that I didn't unlock him as an alternate outfit for Goku Black or Ultimate Gohan same deal with another what if from the future trunks story where Future Trunks (Super) fights without his sword. I really hope they add them in an update.
He might be coming soon lad 🙏🏽
Dammit bro, why nobody realise that THAT IS ROSE!? (11:14) ITS "MYSTIC" SO HIS HAIR COLOR DOESNT CHAAAANNGE AAAHHHHH!!!!
I mean nah it’s just as you said. It’s mystic/ultimate form. It can’t even be rose because rose is black’s version of SSGSS. But there’s no Super Saiyan in this transformation so it’s literally just mystic form.
@@LocalTrapTVnaw rose is a super Sayian version of Zamasu with God ki zamasu added that with gohan ultimate his potential super sayian blue is a God ki version of super sayian
@@LocalTrapTV His Ki color changes to pink tho. It's gotta be some kind of version of Rose. Plus he says "New transformation" not something like "Look familiar?" or "I can do it too"
@firefistace5230 no.
SSGSS = Supersayian god turning superseding.
Gone black literally turn regular supersayian aswell
@ my guy that literally what goku said ssb is it a super sayian added with God ki goku black has his own version of super sayian added with God ki
4:06
Us: WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?! I WANNA GO AGAINST HIT
Bandai: Just… Just Keep playing *Lights A Pack* Youll see why.
Literally it couldn't have been that much work lol don't just tease us like that
@@swagtachiuchiha1501 We don't have the Tournament of Destroyers arena in this game.
I always love how everyone react to "Trunks attack Gohan" and will react with either "No way" then wait to witness with their own eyes OR a sudden realisation LOL
First time the hype for something lived up, this what if was perfect
How is this Way better than the actual timeline 😭Wish we would've seen either goku or trunks fuse with gohan here tho
9:30 that’s ironic asl I didn’t think of that good stuff 👍 if only this was canon this arc could have been one of the best
Regarding the IDW Sonic comments earlier in this stream:
No, Sonic does indeed something along the "we don't have to do this, you can still turn over a new leaf" thing. It just used to be FAR more subtle. Sonic telling Tikal that resealing Chaos won't quell his anger and opting to stop him a different way. Sonic hitting Metal with the "We're Sonic Heroes. Let me know if you wanna rematch.". Simple things that shows he can tell the difference between a mindless, heartless monster that needs to be put down, and another person that can be reasoned with, at least after he beats them, rather than killing them. The IDW problem is that he's WAY too wordy. I think I've heard someone describe it something along the lines of "Sonic talks like a motivational poster". Something like that where he's just speaking unnaturally like he's speaking to you or something.
Also I already knew about this What If because I saw it in my feed. Thought it was a Custom Battle, but turns out devs actually cooked this. And I gotta say, MUCH better handling of Gohan than canon, and MUCH better version of the Black arc than the anime.
I think that' one of the biggest and most valid of the franchise in general. Back in the day they used to get the same results by doing a lot of "show and don't tell" and now they do a lot of "tell and don't show" and sometimes it gets REAL exposition dumpy and they're having a hard time finding the right balance. Part of me understands because they're making it pretty clear they're trying to being in a new age of fans and what worked on older ones might not work on the new generation and back in the day they sometimes took "show and don't tell" a bit too far and left some stuff TOO vague and up to interpretation but at the same time, you are a 30+ year old franchise at this point dawg lol y'all should know how to strike that balance and lock in.
Bruh, the moment the DLC happens im cooking up the cleanest custom battle recreation of this what if where gohan goes beast against merged zamasu.
I saw this with nanogenix on his live stream called "sparking zero!!! [Day 3]"
0:37 They are so wrong for that 😭
We need a fused Gohan Zamasu with Beast Gohan's hair as a playable character. Could you imagine how the Masenko and Special Beam Cannon would look?
The Gohanverse is canon, baby!
Kyle herbert is truly one of the goat VA's, i mean he played one of the most iconic villans in anime as Aizen so playing a bad guy should be a cake walk for him
bro, if beast was in base game we could have had Gohan transformed when Black told him about his family
Bro fused trunks and gohan could have been canon omg this arc could have been so peak 😭
If Beast Gohan is released. I think this what if will continue to TOP. where Gohan perfected Beast against Jiren.
Why you gotta make things so complicated? Yes, I'm referencing *that* song? But it sums up Gohan's conflict with being a warrior.
The form Gohan did in the Black arc is just potential unleashed with god ki. I honestly like it the way they did. I know it still is blue balls and would've been cool to see a Rose Gohan, but I'm still satisfied with what we had regardless.
I like the Ultimate Rosé. Hopefully we get these Gohan Black characters as playable.
Imagine gohan black was just a battle pass skin that’s gonna be coming out soon
How does this what if and the manga are already better than the Anime version 😭
Plus I was so mad these weren’t skins for Goku black and Fused Zamasu. They better add them in later!
Why in the hell did they not put beast and orange in the game, man. Him going beast when hearing about pan and videls fate couldn’t be a more perfect opportunity to whip it out
they somehow didnt think to make it an outfit or alt character so im hoping we get a free update that gives us one or the other, i wish they did a bit more with the alternate timelines like secret characters to unlock like gohan black or like ssj blue future trunks or something or maybe made those the characters you get from super shenron wish instead of goku black and fused zamasu
Someone commented earlier that they probably didn’t want to spoil ppl who were playing online. Hopefully he gets added soon tho cuz I’m pretty sure most ppl know it exists now lol
I really wanted gohan and goku to fuse there
YESSIR
Gohan black Rosé about to be crazy in the future.
I think Gohan just needs to not fight as a front line character. It is not fitting of his character since he ultimately dislikes going out of his way to fight like Goku or Vegeta do.
He can 100% keep up with his training, maybe have him learn the Turtle School methods instead of the harsh ones that Piccolo made him do, but his character and personality are more fitting for the chill guy that just stays at home and takes care of his family, but the second someone steps in his house with ill intent they meet King Yenma in the next 3 seconds and then he's back to chill.
Basically, don't have him push his limits, but keep him capable of reaching his limits in the first place and put him back on standby.
It’s crazy it’s real
When goku calm him down after He heard what happened to videl and pan, I guess we will never know what could've happen. Right. . . .
I think the Gohan Black was WAY better than the anime and manga versions of the Goku Black arc, in my opinion. Not only this made Gohan a more pragmatic character, actively preparing for the worst at the first chance he got rather than taking Beerus’s word at face value about the erasure of Zamasu like the anime, but not only did he learn the Evil Containment Wave, but actually succeeded in using the technique, which was the key factor to victory and actually saving Trunks’s timeline, saving us from another garbage, meaningless ending! This also doesn’t undermine Trunks’s theme; that together, mortals can overcome difficult odds, even if said obstacles are gods, but Zamasu almost merging with the universe, and needing Grand Zeno(the God of Gods) coming in and erasing everything, including Trunks’s home, just takes a dump on all that and made the entire arc pointless!
This is unironically better, Gohan Black has almost as much potential as Goku Black. Goku Black's "The Legend that was the key to saving his future" (This is to say Goku surviving is the factor that led to the end of the Cell Arc) is good but so is Gohan Black since Gohan was once Trunks' master. Gohan was one who lasted the longest against the androids and is the one who trained Trunks before he went to the past. There is so much potential there, even if certain details are muddy because this is a Sparking Episode and not a fully animated arc, the ending makes up for any roughness that you might find in the arc.
The ending avoided multiple writing mistakes made in the arc, caused by the show just not knowing who they wanted to finish Zamasu off with. For a brief rundown, they thought of using the Mafuba but they didn't want that to be what beat Zamasu so they had Goku forget the sealing tag. They had to make Goku forgetful so it wouldn't work. They decided to go with Vegito but they didn't want to kill Zamasu with him, so they retconned in a time limit and THEN had him defuse early. They decided Trunks should deal the finishing blow but had him do a Spirit Bomb esc technique to do it. This didn't work because he was never shown learning about Genki, he also never saw Goku use the Spirit Bomb.
There's no reason for him to know this technique but it didn't matter anyway because they decided they wanted Zeno to do it. More likely they realized they can't kill an Immortal this way, but they already threw the Mafuba in the trash so they couldn't do that. This is where the horribly unsatisfying ending comes in where they have Zeno erase Trunks' whole timeline rendering all of his efforts pointless. Worse yet they decide to just toss him and Future Mai into another timeline where they have doubles. This is so horribly bad because this is the end of Future Trunks' story, his whole ordeal ends with him hopping into another timeline, that isn't his own where none of the bad things happened. Also, they did it using Whis despite the fact the Gods frown upon any time traveling, like at all.
This What If fixes all of that, Gohan and Trunks get a big role in trashing Zamasu and they are both responsible for sealing him away with the Mafuba which wasn't wasted for the arc. They seal Zamasu away and Trunks is left in his timeline to fix everything now that the crisis is over, and he gets his timeline back. The ending is SO much better than the Goku Black arc and it isn't nearly as bloated, not to mention the number of horrible writings that was avoided.
Did I hear a Kingdom Hearts menu noise?
Yes.. yes you did 😏
Playable beast rose when he releases trust 🙏
This version just as good as the manga version to me. Idk how they fumbled from the manga to the show adaptation 😂 but they cooked for this what if 🔥🔥🔥.
Super anime was first so the manga is the adaptation aka they knew they fumbled lol
@@LocalTrapTV LMAO that’s so funny and makes sense why the manga is better. I thought the manga came first like usual. That’s hilarious
@@LocalTrapTV
They were made at around the same time, but manga monthly schedule caused it to fall behind the weekly anime schedule, to the point where I think the anime concluded before the manga ToP even started I believe.
Eh, I liked some manga's parts, but even there the ending for the arc was pretty terrible in my opinion.
Future Gohan's body being taken by Zamasu fits wayyy better than taking Goku's body imho.