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How is it 2 minutes ago but this is 2 WEEKS AGO
Your first congratulations 🎊🎈🍾🎉
I just got to ask, what the hell is the game you're playing? And why does it have a flying octopus? XD
My IKEA store decided to have the annual Christmas party in the in-store restaurant. Fast forward to us changing all the sheets in the bedroom departement and several people getting official warnings. So not quite mass firings but it was darn close. 😆
Wait, what exactly happened there?
The workers, ahem, made a "mess" on on the sheets.
@@aidenbooksmith2351 The employees where separating into couples using the beds but no one fell asleep on the beds.
I've seen the inside of those big IKEA stores. That is a terrifying thought.
@@TheEDFLegacy Well, if it helps it was almost 30 years ago. 😄
"Hope you recover, strange pickleman" is probably the funniest statement I've heard all day XD
The company my cousin works at, fired a well liked employee, partially saying because she was autistic it might ruin her ability to work. Turns out the new manager was jealous she got the attention this manager wanted. Lots of people quit because it was over highschool drama. My cousin only stayed because the position he wanted opened up. (It put him in charge of this manager who he made sure to criticize for everything). Also hired the popular employees back (even though it was in a different role). He also convinced the boss to fire the two problem managers for lack of performance who started the mess (he said they cried and tried to apologize and begged for the job back, which didn't work.
That... is awesome.
Please shake your cousin's hand for me.
That’s…… awesome!
Good for him! But also… where exactly do you live? Because I know for a fact that where I live, firing someone for being autistic is SUPER illegal and could lead to court
@themysticarcher3313 Pretty sure manager made up an excuse like she left her post to use the bathroom too many times. (Two times in a shift all during no customers and talked too much with the customers (which is what the floor employee is supposed to do). Basically making room to hire a friend.
I wish we got a follow up to that last story. It's from years ago now, but if they worked off the clock, that's still on the company, and if the manager did too, well, they can report that and demand wages, especially if they're being fired for doing it, with proof they did it.
I worked at a retail company in HS that did that to us...instead of filing complaints, etc, we just helped them go out of business entirely by going to the store and reminding people that better items cost less at the new Wally world across the road. Every day. For 3 months. That store went under in 90 days, the company was bankrupt within the year, and you cannot find any trace of this company except in retail archaeology videos now. TS for them.
@@CB-vt3mxwhats the name of the store?
@@CB-vt3mx Why not do both?
A women's clothing store and a hobby store near me utterly cannot keep staff. They both have a mass exodus about once every six weeks. New store manager about every 90 days. The sticking point seems to always be middle management making what should be simple jobs completely unworkable. The clothing store in particular has had allegations of workplace bullying since forever.
Are these large companies?
Are they Forever 21 and Hobby Lobby?
Man that last story I would’ve been on the phone with my lawyer before i even left the store 😂😂😂 fr tho i wouldve laughed so hard if my job told me to work for free and sleep in the store
My brother worked for a movie theater. The theater first hired an outside company to vacuum the theater curtains. The company would provide vacuums and work platforms. Management decided to stop using that company and started using theater employees. The employees had to bring vacuums from home. They had to use ladders, instead of more stable platforms. Management had no employees to spot those workers working on the ladders. One night my brother and another employee worked after hours to vacuum the curtains. My brother lost his balance and fell about two stories. He had to crawl to a pay phone (office phones were inside locked offices). The other employee, who had been snorting something,refused to help. Emergency crew arrived. The emergency crew had to cope with a car (the doper’s) parked in the fire lane. Fellow employee, at first, refused to open the door. She opened after my brother yelled at her and the crew threatened to smash the doors. Within a month, all the employees were gone. Some were fired and others were transferred to other theaters in the chain.
I had a similar managerial experience to story #8. The difference was the head of the grocery department was who created the rot and I became the problem when I started holding the people she liked accountable. They all soon left and she transferred but not before getting a few write-ups in my file. My new grocery head was very professional and exactly who the store needed but she wanted to demote me given the bad reputation I had gathered due to making life hell for all the lazy workers. Not to mention, I was hired as a manager by the head who left and she didn't teach me anything in the time she was there. So after all my hard work getting rid of all the bad people in the department, all I had to show for it was a lack of hard skills and a toxic reputation.
I saw the writing on the wall and soon left as well but I at least got a letter of recommendation out of it from a store manager who knew what was really going on.
About the 19th story. I'm an ex Jehovah witness, I too was excommunicated from the congregation. My story is completely different from this one, but I worked with other people from the congregation at the time. None of them quit, though to get away from me, so I find this so strange.
When you're excommunicated from witnessing, you're not allowed to have a personal relationship with anyone that's still practicing, but you can work together as long as it's kept professional, so the entire business quitting just because of that seems very cultish to me.
I'm so glad to be excommunicated and never been happier. It was hard when it first happened, but it was for the best. Jehovah witnesses are supposed to be the most moral, and understanding of other people's faults, but the same people that are quick to punish you, are the same people that have a lot of skeletons in their closets.
Jehovah's Witnesses are actually a cult. Cults aren't supposed to be nice, they're supposed to prey on impressionable/idiotic minds.
Any religion that seeks to control who people can and cannot interact with, on the whim of a priest, is evil. Outright evil. Edit: glad you got out. Welcome to the real world. We have cookies.
Not going to mention the company name, but it was huge. One day it was revealed that everyone was getting fired and the production was moved abroad. 1200 people was let go in one day, all the equipment was moved to the other country and the now much cheaper staff was trained. Well, you can't teach the people of a farming based country new skills too easily. 6 months later the entire company was ruined. They barely survived and their reputation is pretty much worthless.
Worked at a prestigious software firm...two development groups merged as part of an overall cost-cutting measure.
680 'redundant' people lost their jobs in one day, but it backfired!
The folks they let go were some of the most experienced/knowledgeable, while the ones they kept were all first-year rookies, sycophants and yes-men.
The firm went through several bad years before shutting down...but at least the Managers all got raises.
Did it happen to be the same company that made Arkose Works?
I worked in a state hospital for 20 years and one year they decided to check everyone’s “citizenship” so many people didn’t come back (around 50) that they had to do a hiring frenzy😂😂
Yeah, that’s the downside of having minimum wage employees… /j
How did they even get hired at all?
That Waldenbooks one is all kinds of illegal. Workimg off the clock? Hell no. Ths boss can have it done well, fast, or cheap, pick two.
If you can prove the guy is stealing tips, shift managers and owners CANNOT take tips they didn't collect from their own work. It's something you can actually sue for, and likely if your case is good enough you can get the lawyer pro bono.
working on a farm is fire ngl
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Depends, sometimes it sucks, I shove horse shit most of the time.
@@rixon2621horse shit is definitely better than dog shit imo (i used to ride horses), even though theres a lot its not that gross looking/smelling due to the fact horses only eat grass and stuff lol
Always like it when a Manager calls bluff on threats to strike or quit and then are gobsmacked and then totally bricking it as they realise they've been left with only the crap ones and have to explain to their Manager/Owner as to why half the workforce quit.
Alot of this is people leaving/quitting. Do not do this, let them fire you, it gives you much more leeway in later lawsuits and negotiations. Document everything. If they try to do it verbally, check with your local laws on recording if you can do so without them knowing. If they are required to know, start emailing them recaps and forward copies to a personal email. Do not sign anything on the way out.
This literally just happened. I can't say where i work but one of our warehouses caught on fire. Someone left their forklift on while doing something. Well their was a pile of used cardboard next to the forklift. There must have been something flammable because within a minute the cardboard caught on fire, catching the forklift on fire, then causingthe insulation on the roof to catch fire. A supervisor tried to use the fire extinguisher and was scolded because the forklifts use propane and the tank could have exploded. The warehouse is now condemned causing everyone on site to lose their jobs. Needless to say no one leaves their forklifts on unattended anymore.
I worked at Chick-Fil-A a couple years ago, and my manager was a misandrist. She was a two-time divorcee, about 50 years old, and rather poorly paid. I was hired to work in the back, and I hit it off with a few of the workers, but not many. I was that weird nerdy guy who only worked for job experience (being 18 at the time), but I did a pretty good job. My team leader loved having me around and usually let me make fries, which I seem to have a talent for making perfectly every time.
The owner was a nice woman, but didn't seem to realize what a demon she had hired. When the manager wasn't doing interviews or ordering stock, she came into the kitchen to scream at people to go faster. Everything is done by a set time schedule, so trying to force people to fry chicken in the automatic deep-fryer does absolutely nothing. Needless to say, we were stressed out to no end. There were six guys other than me, and six women. In total, 11 employees. The guys were (fake but similar names used here) Khalid, Charles, Nathaniel, Devon, Jamal, & Chris. Khalid was the most senior employee, having been around for 6 managers in 7 years, and Jamal & Chris were hired 2 weeks before the mass event happened.
One day, Nathaniel forgets to do something minor while the manager is there, and she of course goes off on him. She was far more angry than usual, and was so loud that the ladies in the front, including her very kind daughter, had to pull her away from him. Needless to say, Nathaniel was fired. The next week, Charles never comes in to work with me like we'd arranged. Nobody says anything about it, and I am left confused. Two days later Chris is fired, but his brother Jamal is not. I ask if everything is okay, and he says that without his brother the income is too small to pay rent. We prayed together and hoped everything would work out. (Charles got a job at Bojangles [rival chicken place], and doubled his previous pay because my manager apparently had a reputation and because the Bojangles manager felt terrible for him.)
Then, one night, she comes in and starts claiming that I am suffering "The touch of Satan", and writes me up for no apparent reason (looking back, probably for being male), and tells Devon to take off his hat. Devon has a condition where he went bald at 15, and it was patchy. He was mortified, and begged her not to make him do that. She ripped it off, and stormed off, and he was hostile. Khalid, normally really chill, was seeing red, and demanded that the manager give the hat back. She refused, until he threatened to walk off the job. She sat back, stunned that her best employee would do that. Then she refused again. He walked to the door, opened it, said "go to hell", and left. Devon, Jamal, & I convened in the back, and decided to leave due to the sheer amount of abuse. I called my mother to pick me up (couldn't drive), she screamed at the manager for being an asshole, and we left. The restaurant lost 7 employees that night, and the manager had such a freakout that she HAD A STROKE. I have no remorse, and boycott all Chick-Fil-A stores. Thank you.
Wow, that's even more reason for my queer non-Christian ass to avoid them. I'm glad you got out!
I used to work at a nursing home and my supervisor and the woman who worked on her shift with her almost killed a patient and tried to cover up what they were doing. I uncovered everything and reported it. The nursing home closed and everyone had to find a new job. I would still report it again, even knowing what I know now.
Good job.
Spill the beans, what were they doing?
13:13 I actually had a bit of a false April 1st surprise that ended up not being an April Fools day joke myself. We were using software that made day-to-day operations a bit easier. Our managers let us know that the head office was going to stop buying this software and that we'd no longer have access to it by April 1st. Like 10 days after April 1st we were still able to access it. I was thinking "really, an April fools joke? Very funny..." while rolling my eyes. But then everyone's usernames and passwords stopped working shortly after that, and it turns out they were serious. No mass walkouts or anything like that, but that certainly did suck.
I don't know if this counts as a "mass" quitting because the whole department consisted of only two people including me. Our job tried using the Alpha course on us (the whole company, not just my department) to convert us to Christianity. I lined up a job and left within a month, and my coworker did the same shortly after. The company had to hire one of their former workers who had left the country to work for them remotely after that. I hope she's bleeding them dry 😂
yikes
I'd revolt, but I'm made of Judaism and spite.
that last story smells like a lawsuit
I've never had a job, but hearing so many of these stories makes me all the more determined to never quietly hand in my resignation. I'm going out in a blaze of glory
On story three. Decades ago I delivered pizza and people would think it's strange that I would deliver pizza to restaurants. I mean really people get sick and tired of eating the same damn thing. It's been decades since I quite delivering pizza and I have not eaten a pizza since quiting doing pizza delivery.
Remember one time when I was doing food deliveries, that someone ordered food from another restaurant to the one they were working at. Phoned them to confirm that was the address (to me, felt awkward walking into a restaurant to _deliver_ food from another), she confirmed, came out to meet me, and when I asked out of curiosity how comes, she said the restaurant where she worked at had shit food. Guess that's one place I didn't visit for dinner (not that I go for dinner often) 😂
Not sure how the district manager wasn't fired when he ordered his staff to work illegally and admitted to it.
Story 6: Great Manager right there, who actually tried to do his job. Screw that nobody though.
As a random tech support nobody, I can tell you that someone digging through or breaking a fiber optic trunk happens way too often. Usually its just a tree falling and some roots breaking something; but often someone digs a ditch, plants a tree, or otherwise breaks it to their home/neighborhood; and at least three times over the past year someone has taken out the sort of trunk that kills tens of thousands of people's connection at once with either a semi or some construction equipment; even excluding the stuff like hurricanes and flooding washing away roads.
So I used to work at a company that was a middleman call center for Medicare insurance companies. Mass layoffs happened all the time because they didn't know how to staff properly.
This isn't the story I want to tell.
I worked in a department that had very tight deadlines, but they always pulled us for backup for the call center portion. Our boss told the department that we would have the day after New Year's off if we caught up to all of our work. We did that and earned the time off. We were called a week after hitting that goal and told that we were going to have to work because the call center needed us. We were told that we could leave a bit earlier, but they basically were trying to keep us for the entire day. I quit with notice.
Around this time, the company was put up for sale. We were told in a very large meeting that they just wanted to see how much they could get. No actual buy out was to occur. A short time after I left, the company was bought by an Indian parent company.
This company took away just about every job. They gave the people that were still there a month to apply for a job in house or be laid off.
My department was the first one to go
“All his coworkers were gone. What could it mean?
"He decided to go to the meeting room. Perhaps he had simply missed a memo."
story 2, I was working on a construction job for a big pharmaceutical company. they already had a few dozen buildings on this campus and we were adding 2 more. the landscaping company dug exactly where they were told not to and broke a fiber trunk and removed 4 of their building from the internet including their call center. our company had a fiber group, all the guys got redirected to this site for 3 days 24hours a day. our company looked really good, the guys got a shit ton of O.T. and D.T. and the landscape company got fired.
to clarify, the landscaping company got Fite off the job by thr General contractor. I don't know what happened to the individuals. probably got fired by their company
@@fu3zy I imagine that was not a cheap fix for the landscaping company.
My first daycare job lasted a week. A child was stuck in a room without supervision that required a key to get out of. This is multiple events that need to be reported to the Licensing branch rolled into one (unsupervised child, lost child, trapped child). The centre didn't get onto it before his parents did, and Licensing was not best pleased. I have never seen such utterly righteous fury in my life. It was glorious. Unfortunately my co-workers blubbered and cried during the interrogations and most of that wing quit on the spot. The fire marshal came in to look at the door, threw the order to replace the knob with a compliant one into the director's inbox, then at the first sign of hesitation removed the latch from the door. The rest of the centre quit after finding out what triggered the ordeal: parents reported the incident to Licensing before the centre did.
The master p (the rapper) taught me a valuable lesson: pay people what their actually worth.
No employer can force you to buy tools/clothes you need in order to work there
My mom worked in a restaurant for 13 years as a waitress, well loved by everybody and trained most of the staff herself. One day a customer filed a complaint about her that was proven made up bs. The next week she was told that the company had a policy that 3 complaints, whether true or not, resulted in being fired, the first 2 were from over 12 years before. When the rest of the staff found out 60% of the staff quit on the spot. The restaurant was permanently closed 2 months later.
I know the grocery retail .... Had a former co-worker that would BARELY do any work at all (like getting carts, bagging). Would randomly walk off while bagging, got upset sometimes when he saw someone else (cashier, other bagger) getting tips. He did eventualy get fired it didn't lead to anyone else quitting or getting fired.
Used to work at a Kroger during Covid. Saw the pick-up crew walk out multiple times because the department manager would always put way too many people during his shift and not enough on his days off. They lost SO MANY staff members trying to keep that manager (pretty sure he was a dealer for the other department heads). Soooo glad I’m gone
Love these stories :)
Any job where they hire someone for a position that you're totally qualified for/already do the work for....but never mentioned the opening to you and expect you to train the new person? That's a huge warning flag that they're going to fire you. Just walk out. For all everyone says to give two week notice it's just not worth it in these cases, and it's not like they gave this woman any warning themselves
I worked at a Home Health agency where 28 nurses quit before l did. This didn't count the aides. This was a small place in a small town. It was awful and they now have an awful reputation. So sad.
Story 7 What were they thinking? Making the employee train someone to be their boss. What kind of mental gymnastics justifies that? Just promote the employee and have them train a subordinate.
That's because it would be the logical thing to do. I had to do this personally (my friend only got the job over me because he had a degree in management. I had everything except the degree. Was completely lost because he never ran this type of business. ) If we weren't friends, I'd leave him to crash and burn and pretend to play the boss.
I always search for ones where someone quits because a company violates labor or environmental safety, and is busted by the EPA, OSHA, or whatever is supposed to bust such violations.
Actually, I know people in all of those (as well as an IRS agent) They have all had instances where a fired employee or one part of a mass quitting will call and use fabricated or blown out of proportion stories their company is doing something. EPA had been called because a person went to the bathroom behind the restaurant. (His supervisor took the call from same person realized it was an angry employee and said "OK what business name, alright I'll notify the manager ". (He tried to back track and change the story).
Worked at a holiday park over the summer they fired a well loved and probably the best employee that that company had saying she was slagging off the company to the customers (she wasn't the customers were slagging off the company) which led to about 13 of us handing in our notices and leaving the following week 😂
That JW ones- I feel sorry for the bosses. I don't think excommunication should be a thing, it's bleeping cult nonsense. Oh that last one- PLEASE tell me that store failed horribly and that evil DM got fired and blacklisted. Hearing times when the SHTF and the guilty parties got what they deserved is the only thing that makes me feel better about how corrupt our system is.
Not me but my mom. My mom worked for a major telephone company as a clerk in the 90's. If you called and needed a repair or wanted to hook up a landline she took your order, typed it up, and sent it lines people to do the work. So they got a new labor specialist to help save money on staffing. This genius decided to offer anyone who had 20 years in regardless of age a retirement payout plan. My mom started working when she was 18 so at 38 she had 20 years in. She took the retirement. Well the plan worked so well that a lot of people ended up retiring early. After 2 years the phone company called back people because they couldn't replace all the people that left. My mom went back after negotiating better pay and a closer office to work from. The labor specialist was let go if you can believe it.
Our new Store Manager called in the Department Heads and said, "This store will be run my way. If you don't like it you can leave." 5 out of 8 stood up and walked out, leaving her shocked. She didn't last more than a month. BTW, none of the Department Heads lost their jobs. They told HR what happened and were assigned to other stores. When she was gone they came back.
A District Manager told his Store Managers to fudge the paperwork to make sales look better. Result: 7 Managers, including the District Manager, fired overnight. The only Manager who didn't lose his job was the one who refused to follow the order.
The college one- I bet the woman they hired to be the boss was sleeping with someone.
At my first job I was it, editor, and gopher. When the irs got curious why I was listed as an independent contractor despite working a scheduled shift they fired me on my birthday which was also payday. Well they must have realized how bad an idea that was becase as I rode the bus home they called saying that they indeed had work for me. I responded “as an independent contractor I have decided not to take the offer” and hung up. Firing people and emotional abuse were common of my 2 other co workers, including my supervisor and location head. Guess they figured it would work on me too.
2 years later the magazine isn’t even being made. We went from 2 magazines that released every other month when I worked there to 1 every other month, then 1 seasonally then none
Something is weird with the sound of this and another one of your videos I had on the other day. Keeps dipping.
That last story if they kept track of the hours they then have a case I hope they got together and sued his butt.
19:00 Loved waldenbooks would go there if we were at the mall, since barnes and nobles was far away.
Not a mass firing, but mass quitting, myself included, was my first job, part time in high school at a franchised location McDonalds. There was all the typical fast food nightmares on top of most the staff being school kids who we all needed off at times for things school related. I in particular was on the football team at the time.
So we were always running a little short staffed, this led the General Manager to advertise hiring at $8.50/ hour.
At the time, any part time person front or back was at $8 and shift managers and trainers were at $9, min wage was $7.50 so it was better than that at least.
Well we found out all these new hires would be making more than any of us and only a .50 less than a trainer/shift manager. And none of us would get a raise or be put to that starting wage.
Pretty much all of us and the shift managers left over the next 2 weeks, with 3 other people handing in their 2 weeks notice the same day I did.
I used to work at a McDonalds in high school with a bunch of my friends and our manager tried to schedule all of us on our graduation day, even after we told him we were taking that day off because graduation. He even tried to schedule the ones that wouldn’t be graduating but still had to go to the ceremony because they were in Band (and they provided the music for graduation) and said if none of us showed up we’d get written up. None of us showed up and when we went back in the next time we were scheduled our GM told us not to worry and that we wouldn’t get written up and that he (the other manager) was an idiot
A guy I know got hired at a local Hospital, He was very happy as the pay rate was very good and I was somewhat jealous. He delivered for the pharmacy with in the hospital complex, One day a mistake was made on a prescription. the amount was wrong by a digit. (10x more) the mistake was between the doctor and pharmacist. The patient died from the accident. The administration fired everyone involved including the doctor, Pharmacy staff, the nurse and Him, and all he did was hand someone the package.
So you're just a flying octopus? Lol
Never work for free
The stuff people put themselves to ... make me feel unprepared for a job
The first story…they threatened quitting over $4,000 of tools they needed to buy?
*looks nervously at my over $80,000 of automotive tools*
Sorry but the last story, I would have had to get physical with that DM
I would've made him change careers easily
UNION!! UNION!!
Hey! I hope you ok! There was a event where a friend brought a gun, caused a mass firing. Edit: I think I’ll end on the pun.
The Jehovah’s Witness story, I’m not in that religion but know that at one place a twin left and the other twin was not allowed to talk to her sister. Also the leader of that church was cheating on his wife but that was brushed under the rug. I’m not the twin(either) but my sister went to the group after ppd. They weren’t the nicest when she died of cancer. My oldest sister said they came to her door as they do/did. She opened the door said I don’t believe a word of what you do and I have my own religion. She believed she wasn’t rude. Lol
25 years ago we had a disco in town close without warning. Apparently the boss was a d!ck to work for so the staff all agreed to walk out together. The ways discos normally are run here, they open at 11 PM and there will be free entrance until midnight. This means most people enter in that hour. People bought drinks and were dancing. Bunch of drunk people and everything running as normal. Clock strikes midnight, DJ turns of the music, all staff walks out and leaves a full disco of drunk people to the boss to take care of. I don't know how he got people out but he never opened again. Today that disco no longer exists and the building has been transformed into apartments instead.
Walmart fired complete toy section brcause someone stole toys to sell on ebay at cheaper prices. Of course i was in that section.
And no, I was not the person who stole the toys.
The fiber optic firing was not reasonable for people by the dig, and potentially even ones there.
Sean Connery is the narrator.
What is this game on the background?
Nah man, my time ain't free so I don't work for free. Bottom line.
Fire all your staff, it WILL get out that you did that, and you're gonna have a helluva time getting new staff.
Bud light , target lol
Those were mass exodus of customers. (It does sound like something a bunch of Target employees would do).
So many people who should never be bosses. Eek.
Someone on our work shuttle was smoking weed on the bus so they ransomed everyone and only 6/32 weren't terminated
I worked at BP between 2011 and 2016.... dont think I need to say more heh
Story 7: Anyone else convinced this was the college boss's mistress?
what does TS mean at 4:02?
I don't think I would want a job with possibility of collateral firing lol, 40 people fired the only escape was PTO at the right time.
Is story 2 even legal? I thought you couldn't punish someone for just happening to be there and this feels like that would qualify.
DM in the last story can go to hell
The gameplay is distracting me because that's not how an octopus swims 😭 😅
Strange pickle man
❤ how would you like to be hired and only know that it's only a temporary job why the real employees in national hats off to the boss that thought that up
There is some serious code switching. Almost Gillian Anderson level...
Background game?
Btw, what game are they playing?
That was a very shitty ending i was hoping to hear they sued or trashed the place afterwards
That last story is hella stupid, Never work off the clock and if anyone tells you to do that get it in writing, Signed and all, or quit
Bro what is this gameplay
What's this game?
I'm wondering does this guy fake his accent because I could have sworn he used to not have one.
There are multiple people reading for this channel.
I thought it meant with gun$
Ex JW here! I can ASSURE you that the God of the Bible doesn't give a fuck about consent
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Pin first
Unreliable narratiors, the video
Story 3: Whoever it was who seemed not to understand why the Pickled Michigander lost their taste for pickles has never pickled anything for more than a day at a time. The odor becomes like a knife to the brain, thanks to all the vinegar. Pickling vinegar is more acidic than the usual stuff we cook with. I'll bet the poor Michigander smells like vinegar all the time.