IS TONEX Worth the Hype?
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The world of digital guitar right now seems to be trending in the direction of "Profiling" or "Capturing" - TONEX was the cheapest option (and most accurate) until NAM came along....But I've seen a few naysayers - is it worth a look? I think so.
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ToneX paired with an HX Effects is currently the most powerful and portable solution for a versatile pedalboard
That sounds awesome, love the HX effects
This and my Helix Floor 🤙🏽
Using mine on a board with a Stomp XL and Powerstage 200. Acts as my audio interface at the same time, so I went with the stomp XL over the Effects
Currently building a board around that very combination 😌👌
@@nooneknows3478dude THANK YOU. funny i was actually thinking this as i own an hx stomp already but both will use less dsp and prolly sound great!!
The studio rats matchless is the only profile I’ve been using. Absolutely insanely nice to play.
Sure sounded nice on the demo. I was gonna pick up their pack also, until they _had_ to have my phone number for the purchase. What I _don't_ need are spam phone calls...lol.
@@Guitaural. I thought the same so I put my number in with a couple of wrong digits ... problem solved !!!!
@@fuegosatsuma868 Maybe I'll try again. I did that but it didn't like it.
@@Guitaural. Just give an old phone number. I bought the pack and have received zero phone calls. Tone Junkie is the worst, I received a Tone of junk email after signing up for his free pack.
Did you buy the whole matchless pack? Is there a very clean patch in there?
I like ToneX, just very good piece of gear. Integrated it into my small pedalboard, works just fine. A good thing about the "gain" knob, actually, that it does not try to predict how a real amp would react on turning the gain knob. What it does, according to their manual, is just higher or lower input signal level, one can see it as a clean boost pedal which does not distort at all.
ToneX is the first digital solution I've been totally 100% happy with, and I've tried almost all of them, Kemper, Helix, Iridium, Headrush, Fractal, etc. Don't know what it is, but there's just something about the sounds and feel that I really like. Integrates perfectly into my pedalboard, or if it's a light session gig where I know I'll need a couple of basic tones and I'll be going direct, I can stick it in my guitar case and go. If they found a way to add a simple delay to it (come on IK, the hardware is there to do it, if it can do reverb it can do delay too with a firmware update) I'd honestly be fine using just the ToneX live with no added external effects.
Glad to hear you've been digging it!
I think if there's another more recent modelling coming out, you'll prefer that to tonex
Price, size and a Dumble all make it worth the price.
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Yea man, I’m lovin mine for the same reasons
First off that matchless sounds amazing. I’m going to have to get that one. And Leo Gibson’s video is great. Through his tests I blindly picked the NAM as being my favorite followed by the Tonex. The null tests confirmed what I was hearing. They’re all great options, but to have the two most accurate options be free or only $299, respectively, is amazing.
Perhaps the best feature is that each capture can become like an individual plugin in your daw making revamping basically instantaneous by just adding ToneX to a dry track. Copy multiple drys and add any captures you want to each. Kemper and QC would require your to play the track run it out to the unit the back into your computer for each track. HX and Fractual work the same way to multitrack Amp models over different tracks. Amplitude and Tonex can put 3 ToneX capture on 1 track in stereo and you don't have to reamp your dry take it's basically instantaneous aside from creating the initial amo captures in ToneX.
I believe they have the other profiler makers (even the modellers) scratching their heads as to what direction to take next. It’s almost what I’ve been wanting from Kemper, a floor unit with everything except the profiling ability. After all, at the end of the day, I’m not going to profile my own amps and, even if I did want to, there’s someone that can do a far better job of it than I can. I know I’m not alone with these requirements.
Still, will be interesting to see if Mr Kemper has a new rabbit in his hat. He’s the genius that started the profiling angle…
I use it in quite a few of my patches on the helix, control it with midi, works a treat.
I'm really pleased with it.
Honestly, this is one of your most organic sounds I've heard so far. ❤❤❤
I mean I like your sounds but this I think is on another level. At least to me.
It sounds rough as hell. Lots of exacerbated pick attack and fret noise. Just use an AMPERO STOMP 2. Easy!
“Why am I still talking?” … classic JNC. All kidding aside that sound is amazing and I’m sure Paul will be proud to see how you used his matchless, got me sold I think
I'm using my Tonex stuff for amps/cabs, and my Stomp is now used only for effects. This is after I started using amalgam audio captures. By far the most organic, responsive clean tones I've heard...
Playing with captures (through nam, and using eq to simulate a cab rather than ir's) has been a really interesting experience for me, where it feels more like my computer has become an amp, in contrast to helix native which feels maybe like playing a recording.
After tweaking helix native I can sometimes start to get closer to the capture, perhaps I'm just wishing for some alternative default amp settings with the helix.
I'm really excited by the tech, and I hope the tonex gets the same firmware love over time that the helix has had.
I just got Helix Native free with my HX Stomp purchase. Even if I dont use the amps, its always nice to have effects from it. I think maybe the weak point of IK products might be their software.
@@masterofreality230 absolutely! Helix native may not had an effects loop, but I have one instance before the "amp" for all the amazing pedals, and one after for delays, reverbs, modulation etc.
Gorgeous playing 🙏🏻
Incredible playing 🎸🎶❤️
I'm thinking of getting one and pairing it with my Boss GX100. I think it will allow me to free up some dsp and add more effects for "stomp mode"
Love it! You make everything sound amazing John! Sweet BT.
Might be the best tone I have heard in your videos, really nice.
Based on something Leon Todd said recently, I think there is a gap to be filled regarding tone searches. As John pointed out, quite a bit of effort is necessary to find the tone you’re looking for, regardless of the capture technology you use. Maybe AI could be used to analyze all “profiles” in a database and allow the user to sort them by “sound signature”, for lack of a better term, or from clean to heavily distorted sounds. That would be extremely useful.
Great idea! This kind of technology already exists. XLN Audio uses it to find and cluster drum sounds in their XO range. So it should be possible.
Thanks
Would be really nice if the big amp modellers implemented NAM and provided Steve some support to take it further.
Mine arrived yesterday. I'd planned on putting in the loop of the Stomp as my backup rig. However, when I compared the tones that I liked in Tonex with what I'd dialed in on the Stomp, I can't say they're better. Maybe slightly different but the 3.5 cabs on the Stomp have made that modeler great sounding. So....I'm on the fence as to whether to keep it. If you don't already have a modeler, I'd say it's a no-brainer....add a couple of pedals and a tuner and you're done. But, if you have a Stomp/Helix or Fractal, I'd suggest passing.
I think the Tonex pedal is great, but the HXStomp can do it all with the same quality, and a lot more with all the incredible pedals it’s including. When I first heard the tonex jcm800 I thought it sounded way better than my helix Native, until I copied the tone and brought it even better for my taste.
@@tester1697 when I first head downloaded captures (not the crap stock ones), I also was thinking it sounded better. But comparing it A/B against my Stomp it wasn’t better. It’s definitely nowhere as good as my Fractal.
Thing with Tonex is that you need to spend time identifying the captures that suit you. Most of the best I've found - "Dream 65 Clean", "64' Vox AC30 Adv", "AF3 Marshall 1959 SL Plexi 100W", "UR Divided Gain 1" do provide a more 3-dimensional tone than modelers. Agree that the software is a bit janky, but once you get through the tone identification process, you just load up on the pedal with them and set and forget for 6 months-year later when you might do some more exploring. In my opinion, the user uploads have a wide berth of quality tones, and many are mediocre, but think that when you find the ones you like, they tend to far exceed the IK company presets by a mile, so just focusing on Joe's Dumble or other IK presets is not a true representation of the potential for Tonex. The user uploads are where it's at. That said, great playing man. Always enjoy hearing your compositions daily!
It's funny you say the best tone models "provide a more 3-dimensional tone than modelers" -- aren't "Dream 65 Clean" and "AF3 Marshall 1959 SL Plexi 100W" just tone models made from modelers? (UA Dream and Amplifire 3, respectively)
@latontolog Good and fair point. I guess I mean that I find that Tonex gives the opportunity to have the best tones, from all types of amps and modelers, at a much cheaper cost and that finding them among the user uploads is key.
Also, AF3 Plexi 100 W is Axe FX 3 I think
@@tah5w Yeah, I basically think I agree -- it's a strength of a profiler that it can profile anything you like, regardless of whether it's a "real" amp or an amp model or capture. If it sounds good, it is good.
Love your playing with cleaner tones
I think it's a great product and it's awesome that they've made capturing affordable. I've made a few captures so far and have just been using those. After I capture all of the tones I like from the amps I own I'll start looking into other people's captures.
I’m sad that there isn’t an option for parallel amps. If it had parallel amps, I would’ve bought it on release already.
Buy 2😂
Anyone know how to find the two-rock captures he mentions?? Thanks
I just love your playing sounds great
Still waiting for it to be back in stock at Sweetwater. Already ordered it. Going to pair it with my HX Stomp and Cloudburst.
A TONEX and a HX Effects would be a cheap setup for someone who wants to capture. I have nothing to capture so my Helix LT is really hard to beat on price, performance and versatility.
Early Cordy Gang, where you at 🔥
I have my TONEX paired with an Eventide H90. I feel like I can go wherever I want. Awesome tone man!!
I will get one. Keeping my Stomp though.
Wise.
Use them together
ToneX looks like a cool and useful product, but ultimately, if I want a "specific tone" to sound the same "on my own gear," then I think "tone matching" is probably the only way to accurately achieve that.
Here is a link to a video called "Guitar Tone Copy Machine" by Jason Zdora: th-cam.com/video/mn-jAusXARI/w-d-xo.html
In it, he demonstrates how to make the Capture. I "believe" this may be a way to use my guitar and HX Stomp Amp and Cab as the "Target" playback device in the Tone Analysis procedure. So when the EQ is produced, it will accurate reproduce the Source Tone.
I just started running the Iridium preamps into the new HX cabs, no need for Tonex now
the pedal is a great thing. but on the software side, i think NAM is way more interesting. the tonex UI is just a mess imo
NAM has no UI.
@@gffg387 exactly, NAM has a browser, a noise gate, an IR loader and nothing else. i know what my captures are, i can sort them however i like, i can save them whereever i like, and i'm not getting bombarded by ads for DLC or having my entire browser filled with stuff i don't own that i have to scroll through first.
@@givemeajackson bad
@@gffg387 lmao
I already have the AXE I/O and Cubase. Will this give me any advantage?
Already?
Is it possible to make sounds in amplitube 5 and load it is as well
How are people using this - is it going direct into your interface? Anyone going through an amp?
Hello Mr C.
I know you run your hx stomp through studio monitors.
Can you run the tonex through just monitors?
Absolutely!!
Does it gives a line level out for my Helix Powercab or power amp in. Preferably without speaker sim?
Dream user here, I've tried the Tonex and there are some great sounding captures but I still love my Dream for how easy it is to dial in a tone on the fly. With a few quick tweaks you can have a vastly different sound on the Dream. But with Tonex, if you find a capture you like but you wish it had just a little more XYZ, well, the EQ controls can only do so much, so you need to go back to the software to see if you can find something similar. That's the workflow with Tonex unless you have your own amps that you can do captures of.
What about The sound? Is dream better?
@@andersonjose6764 I would say both can produce really high quality authentic sounding tones, not sure one is better than the other. Tonex VS Dream comes down to workflow and preference, Tonex is obviously infinite in what tones it has access to, but it can be cumbersome in my opinion to work through that. I think both sound great but right now I prefer the simplicity of the Dream.
I love the sound of my tube amps but carrying tons of gear around and damaging it hurt my heart and my back. I profiled my best sounds and that's it. and who cares about the tons of profiling out there. W ik multimedia
There was never any hype about the Tonex pedals to begin with. All that happened was they sent a free one to every single TH-camr with more than 10 followers.
Up on the Telly for a good listen, lovely boomer guitar that. 😂
I disliked it a lot. I found that it didn’t work at all well with my pedals. I found that most sounds had harsh overtones, the reverbs are awful and generally felt overly compressed. Sent mine back.
When this came out, I was upset that it didn’t have stereo inputs or an FX loop. Still wish they would have done that. I really wish they had a $699 version with stereo ins and the ability to run two different amps simultaneously, but then I bought one. So happy with it, despite the silly limitations. The price point is great, the sound and responsiveness is amazing. I’ll gladly run two of these in lieu of something like the DRuby or anything else.
You can put the Tonex into the FX loop of something else. (HX Effects, etc)
@@MotownGuitarJoe that’s not really the point though. It has a headphones out, which doesn’t really help if you’re running stereo wet effects with no FX loop on the Tonex as you won’t be able to monitor them.
Watch some reviews or even try one. Sleep over it and repeat. Does it still impress you? Maybe buy. Mind that this hype (and sales) will result in a flux of used ones at some point in time. When a unit gives you more than the original it mimmicks that is a good this, the bigger the sound window the better. Who cares if your amp sim does 90 or 95 or 100% accuracy. The point is in sounding good. Even a bit further...do two original units over the years sound the same? One is stored in an attick, the other did a tour all over Europe. Gear is perceptive to temperature and humidity (even the electronics are).
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You completely missed the mark here.
How?
Still waiting for Line 6 to catch up. Maybe they will have something similar for their HX and Helix Line.
No matter what I do, I just can’t this to sound good. It’s behind frustrating. I hear so many good demos, so it’s probably a mixing issue on my end.
Good lord, man, every time I listen to one of your songs I'm just astounded. So, so good!
I'm not a big profile/capture fan. Imagine taking the IR rabbit hole and expanding to the profile rabbit hole! I just want some really quality modeled amps that are flexible enough to meet my needs and get on with playing guitar. Now if S-Gear was in a pedal....
Totally agree. S-Gear is the most organic sounding amp software I've ever used. That in a box, I would buy in an instant.
Sounds so good man. I love your playing so much. Tasteful and a great touch.
Thanks John. Any chance you could share your fav Two Rock Tonex profiles? Jet 22?
Can you delete or organise captures in the software or pedal so you only have your favourites or have them at the top of the list. Nothing kills a vibe like scrolling through lists, searching for a sound
Yes you can, you can swap or overwrite the captures in the order that suits your needs using the software
@@maestroone1237 excellent, thanks 😊
The reverb on the intro is superb as is the playing!
Yes and NAM is better.