I am finding that regardless of rough lumber or smooth lumber I see no propolis being used to coat the inside of the hive like they do in a tree. Any boxes where I see added propolis being used to coat the boxes is when I use lumber that has not been kiln dried or has gotten wet and mold has formed on the box. This year I am seeing much more propolis in the hives than I ever have and I think it has to do with what I have been giving the bees for frames of drawn comb. I have not gone into a trial yet to see results pertaining to the condition of foundation being placed in the hives to know if the condition is what makes the difference. The one factor that I believe determines if the bees will coat the boxes or not is the presence or lack of presence of fungal spores and other pathogens on the wood being used to build the boxes. Kiln dried lumber will kill most if not all fungal spores. In trees there is a large amount of fungal spores and pathogens present in dead, dying and damaged trees. I would assume there is a certain amount of bacteria in the damaged, dead and dying trees also. We are not going to see this in the kiln dried lumber. In nature the tree resins naturally suppress fungal growth as well as other pathogens. It is only when the tree is dead, damaged, or dying that we see the breakdown and lack of resins in the damaged, dead and dying tress. This year after having to start all over again, I have open bred Minnesota over wintered nucs and Hygienic Italians packages. And both are bringing in an abundance of resins and producing lots of propolis. Based on having these two strains of bees I would have to believe it is not the strain of bees that dictates the amount of propolis but the internal environment of the hive that promotes the abundance of propolis. Voids in the hive such as gaps between frames and boxes is an example of internal factors. Another thing I have seen over the years concerning propolis is when the bees choose to store honey next to the brood rather than move it up, they will generate more propolis to pack between the frame end bars to drive them apart to build deeper honey storage cells. I have seen the bees move frames as much as half an inch for this purpose. But never have I seen the push frames when storing all the honey above away from the brood. Also when I give empty frames for the bees to build their own foundation and cells, they use propolis in the building of the foundation. Using commercial foundation the bees would have no need to produce the propolis for comb building.
Many thanks... I live in Australia and have Horizontal Top Bar Hives. The ladies stick them up really well. In my area I have lots of Gums, Iron Bark, Wattles, Pine's etc. Yes, i can attest to the fact that when I stopped removing the propolus from my top bars and left it on the chalk brood issues we get from time to time due to tropical weather greatly reduced. Now I know why.
Thank you for putting together another informative study, In the area of why proplis is not so common in selected breeding, I believed it comes front historical information of Brother Adam at Buckfast abbey, The period of early 1900s to where the inbreeding and mixed type breading to creation of a better bee, his list in doing that had a reducing of Propolis, successful at that time, it's both written and premonition towards it, it's only had a following, but people wanted the buckfast and just followed his teaching, it's only now! that this type of research is changing peoples way of thinking.
Excellent information! I have collected propolis from plastic drum top-bar hives by means of covering the internal surface with window mosquito and also with Sarang nets, with reasonably good results.
I have hives on an organic farm that are gummed up with propolis. My other hives have a lot less propolis. All hives are treatment free. I was wondering more sources of propolis was available on the organic farm. Anyway, excellent video. I wont be so keen to clean the propolis away from my hives.
There are many variables influencing propolis production and genetics is only one of them. plant source is also an important variable. keep it up the good work. Thanks for your kind words.
In my hives I have a few that I've roughened up to encourage propolis build up. It's not enough of a count as science but there is a significant mite count difference between these and the smooth boxes. I've also noticed a significant difference in the condition of the wood from one vs the other. The propolized wood looked to be in good condition while the smooth had started to mold and develop soft points. I've collected a bunch of propolis from cleaning frames and plan on coating the new boxes hoping for the same result.
@@umustbbornagainActs2-38 I have an oscillating multitool I use with the flat blade and run it up and down the finished interior of the hive body. Does a really good job with less effort than using a rasp. It also depends on the bees. I have one hive that's not done much beside fill in the deep spots while another hive I can make propolis marbles with the stuff I scrape of the frame ends alone.
Thanks for nice time. The story of propolis is complex, we see. I gained some knowledge during a visit to some companies and laboratories that deal with the analysis of the composition of propolis in South Korea. The story of propolis took me from a beauty salon to a nuclear reactor plant. High technology in that country has enabled an excellent business in which propolis is the central product of the hive. With reason. We need to know a lot in order to conclude propolis and its functions.
In my country its expencive to get hold of wood boxes, they are 3 to 4 times the price of a styrophoam box, and i want propolis on the walls is my only option to buy propolis traps and staple them to the walls? i cant dissolve propolis in alcohol and wash the inside it wil melt the box i assume. any sugestions?
I've been learning alot, I've decided to change my hives to the old style of vertical. Last season my hives just blew up unbelievable how much. I had 2 hives make it threw the winter hear in WI. By mothers day both hives had split and I got each hive had 2 nd dairy swarms which gave me 7 hives. A bit of information on the spring food source was tree pollen. It varies from Willow to soft Maple and elders from what I was able to I'd. Everything went well with the hives till October 5 of the hives completely failed within day's I have no ideas on why!
I would have to question the self life of propolis in its form found in the hive due to the fact I am seeing bees rob propolis from stored boxes and frames, stored near the bee yard.
Thank you for the very important topic. I think it needs very much more study. I had already decided to use rough sawn lumber to build all my hive boxes starting with the up coming season. Just to see if increased propolis did make a colony more healthy. I have 6 colonies that are in the regular smooth planed pine lumber hives now. I will be able to see if the added propolis from the rough lumber increases the health of the bees and there by increasing honey production. Also I will be making my own lumber from my own trees so I will test different species of trees. Some will be eastern cottonwood which I have read is one of the main trees bees harvest propolis from. If I can be of help to you collecting data on the subject, l would be glad to do so.
@@miloudbouchefra200 Yes they put a lot of propalis on the inside of the rough sawn hive bodies I made. You know, regular white pine that has been plained they put a little in a spot or two and some in the corners. On the rough sawn ones they covered sizable areas plus the corners. All the colonies did it. Not just one or two. I believe propalis helps bees fight diseases and was there noticably more propalis in the rough boxes. Also I used some purchased hive bodies I had on the same colonies and they weren't covered in propalis nearly as much.
?? Deformed Wing virus, Black Queen Cell virus, Sacbrood virus, acute and chronic forms of Paralysis virus, etc. About 20 identified so far. (Source Penn State Extension -- they do a lot of bee research) But other than that -- you are correct, they are very interesting!
Great presentation that has enhanced my understanding of this important bee function.
Glad it was helpful!
I am finding that regardless of rough lumber or smooth lumber I see no propolis being used to coat the inside of the hive like they do in a tree.
Any boxes where I see added propolis being used to coat the boxes is when I use lumber that has not been kiln dried or has gotten wet and mold has formed on the box.
This year I am seeing much more propolis in the hives than I ever have and I think it has to do with what I have been giving the bees for frames of drawn comb.
I have not gone into a trial yet to see results pertaining to the condition of foundation being placed in the hives to know if the condition is what makes the difference.
The one factor that I believe determines if the bees will coat the boxes or not is the presence or lack of presence of fungal spores and other pathogens on the wood being used to build the boxes.
Kiln dried lumber will kill most if not all fungal spores.
In trees there is a large amount of fungal spores and pathogens present in dead, dying and damaged trees.
I would assume there is a certain amount of bacteria in the damaged, dead and dying trees also.
We are not going to see this in the kiln dried lumber.
In nature the tree resins naturally suppress fungal growth as well as other pathogens.
It is only when the tree is dead, damaged, or dying that we see the breakdown and lack of resins in the damaged, dead and dying tress.
This year after having to start all over again, I have open bred Minnesota over wintered nucs and Hygienic Italians packages.
And both are bringing in an abundance of resins and producing lots of propolis.
Based on having these two strains of bees I would have to believe it is not the strain of bees that dictates the amount of propolis but the internal environment of the hive that promotes the abundance of propolis.
Voids in the hive such as gaps between frames and boxes is an example of internal factors.
Another thing I have seen over the years concerning propolis is when the bees choose to store honey next to the brood rather than move it up, they will generate more propolis to pack between the frame end bars to drive them apart to build deeper honey storage cells.
I have seen the bees move frames as much as half an inch for this purpose.
But never have I seen the push frames when storing all the honey above away from the brood.
Also when I give empty frames for the bees to build their own foundation and cells, they use propolis in the building of the foundation.
Using commercial foundation the bees would have no need to produce the propolis for comb building.
I use burlap as inner cover to promote propolis envelop in all my hives.
Many thanks... I live in Australia and have Horizontal Top Bar Hives. The ladies stick them up really well. In my area I have lots of Gums, Iron Bark, Wattles, Pine's etc. Yes, i can attest to the fact that when I stopped removing the propolus from my top bars and left it on the chalk brood issues we get from time to time due to tropical weather greatly reduced. Now I know why.
Thanks for stopping by. I am glad you like it.
Excellent information that non-researchers can understanding. Thank you both!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for putting together another informative study,
In the area of why proplis is not so common in selected breeding, I believed it comes front historical information of Brother Adam at Buckfast abbey,
The period of early 1900s to where the inbreeding and mixed type breading to creation of a better bee, his list in doing that had a reducing of Propolis, successful at that time, it's both written and premonition towards it, it's only had a following, but people wanted the buckfast and just followed his teaching, it's only now! that this type of research is changing peoples way of thinking.
Very informative presentation. Many thanks Humberto for making it happen. Can't wait for the next one.
You are welcome. I’m glad you like it.
Excellent information! I have collected propolis from plastic drum top-bar hives by means of covering the internal surface with window mosquito and also with Sarang nets, with reasonably good results.
I have hives on an organic farm that are gummed up with propolis. My other hives have a lot less propolis.
All hives are treatment free.
I was wondering more sources of propolis was available on the organic farm.
Anyway, excellent video. I wont be so keen to clean the propolis away from my hives.
There are many variables influencing propolis production and genetics is only one of them. plant source is also an important variable. keep it up the good work. Thanks for your kind words.
In my hives I have a few that I've roughened up to encourage propolis build up. It's not enough of a count as science but there is a significant mite count difference between these and the smooth boxes. I've also noticed a significant difference in the condition of the wood from one vs the other. The propolized wood looked to be in good condition while the smooth had started to mold and develop soft points. I've collected a bunch of propolis from cleaning frames and plan on coating the new boxes hoping for the same result.
When you say you roughened up to increase propolis could you please explain what you mean by that? Thank you.
@@umustbbornagainActs2-38 I have an oscillating multitool I use with the flat blade and run it up and down the finished interior of the hive body. Does a really good job with less effort than using a rasp. It also depends on the bees. I have one hive that's not done much beside fill in the deep spots while another hive I can make propolis marbles with the stuff I scrape of the frame ends alone.
@@KaosABC123 very interesting. Only been beekeeping since April this year so I appreciate any input I'm learning so much! Thanks again.
Thanks for nice time. The story of propolis is complex, we see. I gained some knowledge during a visit to some companies and laboratories that deal with the analysis of the composition of propolis in South Korea. The story of propolis took me from a beauty salon to a nuclear reactor plant. High technology in that country has enabled an excellent business in which propolis is the central product of the hive. With reason. We need to know a lot in order to conclude propolis and its functions.
I want tot hear your story. Very curious. Salon to nuclear reactor because of propolis?
Absolutely briliant and interesting. It ecouraged me to make few hives with rough wood for observation. Like and sub right away.
I am glad you like it. More coming. Stay tuned. Cheers
In my country its expencive to get hold of wood boxes, they are 3 to 4 times the price of a styrophoam box, and i want propolis on the walls is my only option to buy propolis traps and staple them to the walls? i cant dissolve propolis in alcohol and wash the inside it wil melt the box i assume.
any sugestions?
Do you know how and what Egyptian used the propolis for?
Great vídeo in a great channel.
Thank you!
Obrigado!
Awesome video. Great guest. Interesting topic. Many thanks (from Papua New Guinea).
Glad you enjoyed it!
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I want to see these walls full of propolis and how they are constructed, please
Great presentation. Any plans to have Marls Spivak on or Renata Borba?
Actually I do have plans. I’m working on it. Thank you for your support and help.
I've been learning alot, I've decided to change my hives to the old style of vertical. Last season my hives just blew up unbelievable how much. I had 2 hives make it threw the winter hear in WI. By mothers day both hives had split and I got each hive had 2 nd dairy swarms which gave me 7 hives. A bit of information on the spring food source was tree pollen. It varies from Willow to soft Maple and elders from what I was able to I'd. Everything went well with the hives till October 5 of the hives completely failed within day's I have no ideas on why!
I would have to question the self life of propolis in its form found in the hive due to the fact I am seeing bees rob propolis from stored boxes and frames, stored near the bee yard.
Thank you for your amazing information presented in a clear and calm way 🙌💐
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting ,especially the content about rough boxes , versus smooth , how do recommend to make the inside of the box rough ?
I do recommend that for small operations if you have the time.
@@InsideTheHiveTV what I meant was how do you recommend to make the wood rough ,saw cuts in the wood ,wire brush on a drill ,chisel cuts ????
för ett par år sen lysnade jag på en polsk proffesor som pratade om propolis. bra mot svår läkta sår.mm
It is a powerful product.
thanks a lot
You are most welcome
Thank you for the very important topic. I think it needs very much more study.
I had already decided to use rough sawn lumber to build all my hive boxes starting with the up coming season. Just to see if increased propolis did make a colony more healthy. I have 6 colonies that are in the regular smooth planed pine lumber hives now. I will be able to see if the added propolis from the rough lumber increases the health of the bees and there by increasing honey production. Also I will be making my own lumber from my own trees so I will test different species of trees. Some will be eastern cottonwood which I have read is one of the main trees bees harvest propolis from. If I can be of help to you collecting data on the subject, l would be glad to do so.
Can you please update us about whether the bees propolised the inside of the hive and the effect of that?
@@miloudbouchefra200 Yes they put a lot of propalis on the inside of the rough sawn hive bodies I made. You know, regular white pine that has been plained they put a little in a spot or two and some in the corners. On the rough sawn ones they covered sizable areas plus the corners. All the colonies did it. Not just one or two. I believe propalis helps bees fight diseases and was there noticably more propalis in the rough boxes. Also I used some purchased hive bodies I had on the same colonies and they weren't covered in propalis nearly as much.
Is the breeding program still for the Pol-Line or has it changed?
I believe so. Write them an email I am sure they will let you know.
I think bee is a really interesting insects.they are not infected by virus.even every insects
?? Deformed Wing virus, Black Queen Cell virus, Sacbrood virus, acute and chronic forms of Paralysis virus, etc. About 20 identified so far. (Source Penn State Extension -- they do a lot of bee research) But other than that -- you are correct, they are very interesting!
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