I don't understand how you guys get to create new char higher then LvL 1 ... Did you pass by the theifling at the Oleg' inn whenever you want in the game to do so... does it mean that the only way to do so is to buy it from her ?! I personally hate my first PC so I'm starting fresh and want to clarify all of this asap ! Thx
@@ArcaneAgent I prefer the long form process of this format I think. Unravel the thought process, sprinkle in humor. Make inferences to the pivot points of the multiclassing and sacrifice of certain choices. That is, perhaps, more interesting than the picking of feats level by level. I imagine half of these thoughts are totally impractical in practice, but I do kind of enjoy the what if as much as the what is.... if that makes any sense.
If you only need 15 Rogue levels, you could put your other 5 into Magus. If I'm not mistaken, Magus can use Martial weapons, but also spells. A base Magus is Int based, and prepares spells, but you could go Scion which is a Cha based Spontaneous caster (which I'd probably do myself). The improved Cha is useful for stuff like Dazzling Display, Cornugon Smash, and all those Persuasion checks a Leader ends up needing to do. The main reason I'd say to get Magus, is access to Enlarge Person, because going from Medium to Large size ALSO increases the Reach of your weapon. Also, you'll get a few 2nd level spells, and adding Mirror Image or Blur to your repertoire will really improve your combat defense if you are taking hits.
Hey m8. So just finished the game with this build, and that was so much fun. Especially when you play some of the bigger fights turned based, you can see how awesome this build is. Loads of fun. I want to play the game again, this time as an evil char. I will look for other build ideias. Or maybe I will try a twin wielding javelin mad dog. Love those animal companion..
@@ArcaneAgent Keeping it mods free for the time being.. But I am sure those videos will inspire me. I was "stuck" with Jubilost in the end of last playthrough. I was really impressed with his holy bombs.
I been enjoying your videos for the last couple of weeks, they are very informative on trying different builds. Just finished a Fighter/Stalwart Defender/ with a couple of levels of Rogue very fun to play. Please keep the videos coming!
As I love theorycrafting Im enjoying so much these video-builds of yours. Love to watch and learn combinations and strategies from another pov. Obsly I dont always agree with some choices but f*sake, this is the meaning of this: watch your point! So hope you continue making these videos. Thanks dude! ^^
I did this with dual classing two-handed fighter and Rogue all the way to 20 with a scythe does ridiculous crazy amounts of damage I would love to see more Gestalt builds if that's possible
I was trying to figure out how to do the equivalent of a Pain Taster in this game and the best I came up with was an Eldritch Scoundrel with... Estoc. But I forgot about Longspear! I may try this again.
Basically waiting for 1.1 here. Liking the videos a lot! I'd love to see a written up recap somewhere and it was nice to see what it looked like at lv1 and 2... Might be nice to see these builds in fights later in the game like some of the other comments say but it's still super helpful.
I have tried 3 builds myself so far and they suck all of them.My last one was a TWF pure fighter dex build and he was worst of the bunch LOL.This build right away I was awesome thanks!
Also st 5:30 why not bump dex to max,drop strength and use finesse training for a weapon?....I found this on official rules for Pathfinder "" In addition, with finesse training, the rogue now gains Weapon Finesse for free at 1st level. This ability also lets her add her Dexterity to damage rolls with one weapon starting at 3rd level.""
NM I think if figured it out.Weapon finesse gives you ability to do attack rolls with ONLY light weapons or certain weapons and none are reach able.So you dump strength and you will never hit! :)
Improved Initiative is a a great addition early because of the way the game treats flatfooted. You will gain sneak attacks if you have more initiative and that +4 is huge when you can hit this many targets.
@@ArcaneAgent This is a very fun build. Some possible slight adjustments can be thrown in too. Might help you out with future builds. Love your work. I have been playing around with is using Thug instead of Rogue. It grants shaken and if it stacks to 4 rounds then frighten from any intimidate persuasion check. This actives with dazzling display/Cornougon Smash and other demoralizing attacks. If you use a half-orc instead of a human you also get more intimidate and the 1 round if you are taken below 0 to keep fighting in exchange for a feat. A single level in Barbarian can be used as well in place of fighter giving you some rage bonuses for tougher fights and 10 bonus movement speed. Although it does effect alignment to be Chaotic and limit you to medium armor but some of the higher medium armors have very low penalties to skill checks. Since your not in base contact this will allow you to be more mobile without the Attacks of Opportunity procs most of the time. Alternatively Paladin can be used as a lawful good and with 2 levels the bonus to will saves clears up the one weakness in will saves very nicely.
>doing a Jorg Ancrath build as thug >youtube recommend this video for a rogue build >lets see whats recommended for rogues >portrait is Jorg Ancrath fanart >nice
Personally i'd recommend: instead of fighter you can take 2 levels of paladin, you get a lot of saves, smite evil and healing plus proficiency with everything but shields. 1 level of vivisectionist gives you enlarge person (bigger weapon = more cleaving range) plus a extra d6 to sneak attacks and mutagen. 1 level on scaled monk gives the crane feat and free ac when unarmed (if you took vivisectionist you can use shield+wand of mage armor) with 16 charisma you can have 23 ac, 27 with crane style, 30 agaisnt enemies you use smite evil, 32 if you also shake them
How about doing this whole build with a Vivisectionist rather than a rogue? Sure, you lose out on debilitating injuries but the true mutagen gives you +8 to all physical scores that stacks with belts. With your potions can give yourself legendary proportions and the transformation spell which gives you some enhancement bonuses (+4 to all physical stats, probably irrelevant at that point) +5 natural armor to AC and proficiency with all martial weapons (and at level 20 a +5 to your BAB). You can also turn into a dragon or a smilodon for 5 attacks per round (though I don't know if that works with cleave). Via the Vivisectionists medical discoveries you can pick up confounding blades, slow reactions and dispelling attacks. I guess the biggest drawback is having less skill points per level and fewer class skills, especially a lack of persuasion. Though with intimidating prowess you can make up for that easily. And naturally, this build becomes slightly more MAD as you need to get to 16 intelligence, or even more as the strength mutagen will reduce your intelligence.
Another great video and I am big fan of your channel.And I would like your help,I was thinking of running a Sylvan sorcerer/storm walker ranger in kingmaker.And I would appreciate your advice.
hi liquid, ur making great job with this videos, cause ur build are most creative and fun to play. Could u sometimes in future create necromancer-inquisitor build ???
Hello there! This is an interesting video.... but.... This very build could be far more effective if you did go for 2 Thug. Assuming we wanted to min-max this build for damage, going 2 Thug, 1 Vivi, 17 Fighter would be an incredible option. The issue I have with Cleave is that it takes the entire round for a SINGLE attack (that can AoE if it hits, fair enough). However, if you went for Fighter, you could boost your BAB, forego the Cleave line entirely and grab Dreadful Carnage. That way, you could poke people for massive damage due to Fighter's Combat Feats and Weapon Specialization, as well as have about 5 attacks per round. For each strike, you could persuade the enemy (which as a Thug makes it run away), gaining an attack of opportunity on it. With the massive damage from Fighter+Glaive/Bardiche you should score an easy kill early on in combat, making every enemy around your team run away, thus getting even more attacks of opportunity on them which will, in turn, Dreadful Carnage all over again. TL;DR: The damage and sheer number of attacks per round with a Reach Fighter w/o Cleave would outdamage the single Cleave per round, which is in itself dependant on scoring a kill in order to reset, whereas a Fighter could keep an entire enemy squad Frightened for the whole combat with a poke or two. A good thought exercise though. Maybe try this Fighter setup on Beneath the Stolen Lands DLC and compare the results. ^_~
I would use this build but instead of making it a reach build I would make it a crit build. Using an Elven curve blade. Get one with Keen on it and the crit range goes to 15 through 20
both would be a great watch tho my preference would be on using the class but seeing what you think would make the best choices would also be cool @@ArcaneAgent
*_Any builds that you could think of that would act well as a Blackguard or Anti-Paladin?_* *_The provided companions are a little too clean for my liking, so they tend not to live long._*
instead of fighter why not inquisitor pet? do the shyala? diety which gives you glaive without the martial need and you can get bless and bane with putting the points in wisdom instead of intellect you also get a pet... which is nice
No intimidating prowess or skill focus: persuasion? In the tail end of the game your intimidate checks need every boost they can get. Also, have you thought about making builds that cap out at level 17? Without reducing the size of your party and turning off shared experience, 17 is the final level that's easily attainable.
Yes, but my builds are usually capable at 17, I just show people what 3 more levels can do. People would ask the same thing, "have you considered taking your level 17 builds to level 20?"
Anyone know why Cornugon Smash and Dazzling Display work like that in the video game? They don't seem to synergize that way in the pen-and-paper rules.
Hey there. I have been watching some of your videos. Great content. I have a question, is any two-handed weapon a reach weapon. Or how do I know which 2 handed weapons qualify as reach weapons?
Hi liquid i Would love to see take a look into cleric crusader and figther build, with sun Domain its a preaty interesting and cool anti undead build, i choose shield mastery and shield bash with power attack cormongus smash, hope u find it interesting
@@ArcaneAgent Also, question on Cleave... if I dont actually use Cleave to attack, but I have the rest of the Cleave feats, will they (in particular Imp. Cleaving Finish) proc on regular attacks? I hate mico managing my reg tanks like that.
What comes 1st to my mind is either a Human Paladin or Aasimar Paladin. The special abilities he get's plus bonus to saving throws right off the bat is really good. Also, maybe Barbarian for the rage. Get's you gibbing everything right from the get go :) But the most op class is the Monk. But he is squishy at 1st level and doesn't break the game until later.
A reach build Monster Trainer summoner with the animal domain. It is literally a 1 man party especially if you go NE inquisitor of Gohzeh for the less blasty more slashy higher level summons.
Seems like picking a lvl fighter anywhere except at lvl 20 where you did it will prevent you from taking exhausting critical.. Have you found a way around this?
@@ArcaneAgent I don't know if you play the game's randomized dungeon, the beneath the stolen lands, but around levels 35-40 they're impossible if your wisdom save is under 14 or 15. Every single encounter will involve multiple of those... prism or whatever saves, the will save 22 that if you fail insta kills you.
If you're taking finesse feat for anything, you should be immediately and at all times focus on having dexterity higher than strength, and specially since combat reflexes keep adding aoo with each modifier to dex. It's that simple, no rocket science needed :) But otherwise great idea for a build.
@@ArcaneAgent There is actually a reach dagger available in the game but it is one of the crafter items so totally RNG if you get it or not. If you could get 2 of them a dex based dual wielding reach fighter would totally be an option. Or dex based reach magus for that matter.
lvl 7 currently (and new to the game), i feel like this build doesn't work as intended anymore? seems like my cleave doesn't work with cornugon smash or i should say i can't activate both at once? all that cornugon smash does for me currently is wasting a dmg roll since my char does only the pose. help :D
@@ArcaneAgent When i played Kingmaker cleave didn´t work with longspears, now i replaying again because the spanish translation and i just wondering if they patched it. Going to test it anyway. I´ll keep you informed haha
Interesting build you have here kinda reminds me of a lightly armored Dragoon build instead of using basically what is a long reaching tank this build seems more apt at using mid range physical sneak attack damage So if you are starting a thief build does that mean you will be doing the Ninja build soon as well?
@@ArcaneAgent Well and this is just my opinion on it but I think the Ninja should be a Monk/Rogue with the Rogue giving the build it's sneak attack damage, it's combat feats like taking two weapon fighting and the Monk for the Ninja's marital arts, exotic weapons, and their more mystical abilities
I do know a rogue 20 gets that awesome feat to instantly kill people though, that was my main idea. Maybe now I revisit this build and make a vivisectionist reach rogue build...
@@ArcaneAgent I subscribed to your Channel because 1 I like the way you make your videos and 2 it means a lot to me that you came back to answer a reply on an old video so thank you
this video is by far your best from Pathfinder Kingmaker till now. they was good, but this is fantastic.. pls stay this way with level one fights after the level prozess.. And i thought they forgot to put reach in the Game. there should be reach stat in the info text of the weapon. Keep ups the good work
I like your content and you bring up a good point. You are fighting low-level enemies with your finished builds. I have a relatively easy way to reach endgame for you, assuming you know how to edit saves or got a decent cheat-engine/trainer. In the game, when you are supposed to go to the trading post, head west as far as you can. (You need high camouflage skill and a cheat to alter speed/time to get there quickly) You will encounter a river which you can only pass at one point, you need a high (40+?) athletic skill for that. You will have endgame mobs there. Your gear won't be up to spec but it should be better to showcase there, and it will only take you about 5min extra time to get there. For the cheating part: Assuming you know how to Save edit: open player.json -> find "SpeedModifier" -> change its value to something like "100" instead of "1". You can also edit your skills in Party.json If you don't do this you have to get a trainer with the "freeze/slow time" function.
Cool build, but why no Outflank? It would even give extra attacks of opportunity on a critical. Edit: BTW, if you get a level of Fighter 1, you'll still only get BAB 15 at level 20...but at rogue level 19 you won't get a feat.
I was just thinking if u take a fighter level early u get a extra feat and u need to land that intimidation check it is key fore this to work love the ide tho.
This is an inane build. Rogues want to apply sneak attack damage as much as possible which means maximizing the number of attacks. Not dual wielding is stupid. You will do more damage as a 2H fighter with a few levels of Rogue.
@@ArcaneAgent yes but they have great synergy. 13 scion allow you to cast spell in heavy armor abyssal legacy give you +4str and make you 6lvl warrior. 3lvl warrior give you double str bonus to twohanders and make you 9 lvl warrior which allow you to pick improved feats for hit and damage which require 8lvl warrior. and 4lvl of dragon disciple give you 4 more str 2ac and raise your magus spellcasting lvls. so. you loose your ability to meelespellcasting because use twohander but you still have tons of buffs and magus arcanes which give you lots of damage for 1min per lvl. so in nutshell you have twohander fingter with selfbuffs and some attacking\controll spells with 36str (with +6 gear) and about 45ish AC and also you can cast polymorf on yourself to trade more stats for loosing ability of casting spells. another option for making more ac is take 1 lvl tower shield master fighter just for unlocking stuff and take two more dragon disciple. so you will have more protection but less damage. but i like more first option because you have lots of spells to raise your survivability and tons of damage allow you to finish any battle before you loose all your mirrors spells xD also good idea to take feat which is allow you to your str mod as additional bonus to your intimidate and take actions for demralising and fear monsters. only one minus is very less number of skills per level
@@j.d.5626 sadly at 1.1 you can not take dragon disciple with abyssal legacy but in that case you loosing 2str and 2ac if not taking dragon disciple which is kinda not a big deal. so you taking 1lvl fighter. just because it way more easy to beat first part of the game as fighter. then take magus. at prebuffing you always can just remove your plate armor and at lvl 7 magus you will be able to cast freely weared in mithril full plate which is require heavy armor profency but considered as medium anyway. so then at level 13 you take more str and able to cast spells in heavy armor. then take two more fighter lvl for x2 str modifer bonus and then level as magus to the end instead of dragon disciple. your weapon must be glave or something else with reach. you stay behind tank and hit bastards hard :) so your ac not much important. you also will have shield buff. 50% chance to miss on you and mirrors image so you are well protected anyway. you also can add additional damage to your weapon many times per day. but two best buffs for you is transform from circle 6 your spells which give you bab as full fighter of same lvl and wizards buff from circle 7 "legendary size" or something like that. which is enlarge you x12 and give +6 str which is STACKING with your gear (and more other things). so. gloves you can find in pieces for 8str + 6str from magus +6str from spell with fighter bab allow you to chomp pretty much any faces with couple hits. fun thing is uner that legendary size spell with your glave you have range almost as archers xD but also if you dont know you can reach lvl 20 only if you wll use 4-5 people group and dont spare exp with peoples in hold... so my choise was full protected valerie and harim as tanks, my magus from behind, and octavia leveled as mage behind. lindzi also great choise but you can stop leveling her at lvl 11 and taking just for tough fights because her songs kinda op even at 11 lvl... just because at 11 lvl you getting +3 ab song and +4 ab only at 17 and difference between 11 and 17 damn huge and other songs not very awesome. also instead of octavia you can took tristian leveled as mystic theurge which is may be awesome buffer\summoner. but i prefer octavia because harim can buff as cleric and octavia as mage but octavia also have awesome damage because of sneak attack is applied to spell so even zero circle spells can damage 30-40 easy.and spells of higher lvls with few charges just shred mobs in pieces.
@@juliaswallow8637 Thank your for such detailed reply, XD. just one more question what difficulty you played that run ? I am playing (attempting) core rules so challenging with normal enemies. Do you think a party of 5 can do it without being a nightmare ?
Just an FYI, I think there is a poor interpretation of the original Pathfinder rules regarding the rogue talent Combat Trick. In the original Pathfinder rules, you cannot take Combat Trick more than once. You seem to be able to take Combat Trick over and over again...
A LOT of stuff in this game does not follow Pathfinder RAW. Lots of weapons were changed/nerfed. Lots of class abilities were changed/nerfed/buffed. Honestly, if they made it like a standard unchained rogue it would absolutely fail in the higher difficulties in the late game with the inflated monster stats.
@@ArcaneAgent rogues are all about dexterity since they get the dexmod for dmg instead of str, also you will need higher con + the defbonus from dex is a must have after chapter 2 or youll be a onehit, i watched a lot of videos from you and others and the only conclusion is that you shouldnt post videos on how to build if youre a noob "srynotsry", because spamming vids about builds that wont work for people should never be the goal, the only thing it will give you is hate and frustration, since those people will waste 30-50hours of gameplay into a character that has no functionality in the end whatsoever. im a noob too by the way and i kinda get annoyed watching a 20min video only to realise in the comments that i wasted my time on it. If you go for builds let them be analysed by pros at least, or make yourself one.
Bro, for the last time, a level 16 warrior could wreck face on this game. There are enough skills and items to do anything. A Rogue could wear plate armor and a tower shield for defense if they wanted high AC
@@Chris_KAy I have been playing a character nearly identical to the spec he lays out here. It is pretty insanely good. There may be better but at lvl 11 my rogue with a glaive runs up to a group, winds up a cleave, and does 35-100 damage per hit, very often getting up to maybe 6-7 hits if enough enemies are there clustered up, and demoralizing them all in 1 swing from cornugan smash. This guy is just sickly good and still hits pretty hard single target too. I just started buffing him with enlarge person and the range is HUGE. I have atm 9 levels into thug and 2 into paladin for saves and to wear blessed path which buffs her persuasion nicely and is a +2 plate. Really I don't know how much better characters can get but this build does more damage output than anyone else in my party. It was hitting hard from the get-go.
Human All additional stats to Str
lvl 1 Rogue 1
Str 16 Dex 16 Con 10 Int 13 Wis 10 Char 12
Racial Str + 2
(Athletics) Mobility Trickery Stealth Perception Persuasion Use magic device
Power attack Cleave
lvl 2 Rogue 2
Fast stealth
lvl 3 Rogue 3
Great cleave Finesse training: Bite
lvl 4 Rogue 4
Combat trick: cleaving finish
lvl 5 Rogue 5
Weapon focus: long spear
lvl 6 Rogue 6
Combat trick: Cornugon smash
lvl 7 Rogue 7
Dazzling display
lvl 8 Rogue 8
Combat trick: shatter defense
lvl 9 Rogue 9
Improved cleaving finish
lvl 10 Rogue 10
Opportunist
lvl 11 Rogue 11
Combat reflexes Finesse training: light shield
lvl 12 Rogue 12
Dispelling attack
lvl 13 Rogue 13
Improved critical
lvl 14 Rogue 14
Combat trick: dodge
lvl 15 Rogue 15
Dreadful carnage
lvl 16 Rogue 16
Double debilitation
lvl 17 Rogue 17
Critical focus
lvl 18 Rogue 18
Combat trick: tiring critical
lvl 19 Rogue 19 Finesse training: claw
Accomplished sneak attacker
lvl 20 Fighter 1
Exhausting critical
I don't understand how you guys get to create new char higher then LvL 1 ... Did you pass by the theifling at the Oleg' inn whenever you want in the game to do so... does it mean that the only way to do so is to buy it from her ?! I personally hate my first PC so I'm starting fresh and want to clarify all of this asap ! Thx
I use the respecc mod from nexus mods. Search pathfinder kingmaker nexus mods - respecialization mod
This is a super interesting build, I have never even considered a two handed rogue much less a reach one.
Enjoy my weird 2 am thoughts on builds
This format is the best so far I think.
I liked it, you mean me showing it off at level 5
@@ArcaneAgent I prefer the long form process of this format I think. Unravel the thought process, sprinkle in humor. Make inferences to the pivot points of the multiclassing and sacrifice of certain choices. That is, perhaps, more interesting than the picking of feats level by level. I imagine half of these thoughts are totally impractical in practice, but I do kind of enjoy the what if as much as the what is.... if that makes any sense.
Yes it makes sense, im glad you guys like how I do my videoa
If you only need 15 Rogue levels, you could put your other 5 into Magus. If I'm not mistaken, Magus can use Martial weapons, but also spells. A base Magus is Int based, and prepares spells, but you could go Scion which is a Cha based Spontaneous caster (which I'd probably do myself). The improved Cha is useful for stuff like Dazzling Display, Cornugon Smash, and all those Persuasion checks a Leader ends up needing to do.
The main reason I'd say to get Magus, is access to Enlarge Person, because going from Medium to Large size ALSO increases the Reach of your weapon. Also, you'll get a few 2nd level spells, and adding Mirror Image or Blur to your repertoire will really improve your combat defense if you are taking hits.
Yeah I might work with my reach build even,more
Hey m8. So just finished the game with this build, and that was so much fun. Especially when you play some of the bigger fights turned based, you can see how awesome this build is. Loads of fun. I want to play the game again, this time as an evil char. I will look for other build ideias. Or maybe I will try a twin wielding javelin mad dog. Love those animal companion..
Try a caster build this playthrough
@@ArcaneAgent My all-time favorites are rouges and monks. I hadn't considered a caster. I will look through your builds for something interesting.. 👍
If you're into mods, my blaster wizard is amazing. So is my Octavia build or my jubilost build
@@ArcaneAgent Keeping it mods free for the time being.. But I am sure those videos will inspire me. I was "stuck" with Jubilost in the end of last playthrough. I was really impressed with his holy bombs.
Holy bombs are ok. Check out his force bombs
I been enjoying your videos for the last couple of weeks, they are very informative on trying different builds. Just finished a Fighter/Stalwart Defender/ with a couple of levels of Rogue very fun to play. Please keep the videos coming!
New video Monday!
As I love theorycrafting Im enjoying so much these video-builds of yours. Love to watch and learn combinations and strategies from another pov. Obsly I dont always agree with some choices but f*sake, this is the meaning of this: watch your point! So hope you continue making these videos. Thanks dude! ^^
Thank you for being positive and helping further the conversation.
I love theorycrafting this stuff
I did this with dual classing two-handed fighter and Rogue all the way to 20 with a scythe does ridiculous crazy amounts of damage I would love to see more Gestalt builds if that's possible
Everyone wants Gestalt builds
I was trying to figure out how to do the equivalent of a Pain Taster in this game and the best I came up with was an Eldritch Scoundrel with... Estoc. But I forgot about Longspear! I may try this again.
Basically waiting for 1.1 here. Liking the videos a lot! I'd love to see a written up recap somewhere and it was nice to see what it looked like at lv1 and 2... Might be nice to see these builds in fights later in the game like some of the other comments say but it's still super helpful.
I'll have to level a toon up to a higher place
I have tried 3 builds myself so far and they suck all of them.My last one was a TWF pure fighter dex build and he was worst of the bunch LOL.This build right away I was awesome thanks!
Also st 5:30 why not bump dex to max,drop strength and use finesse training for a weapon?....I found this on official rules for Pathfinder "" In addition, with finesse training, the rogue now gains Weapon Finesse for free at 1st level. This ability also lets her add her Dexterity to damage rolls with one weapon starting at 3rd level.""
NM I think if figured it out.Weapon finesse gives you ability to do attack rolls with ONLY light weapons or certain weapons and none are reach able.So you dump strength and you will never hit! :)
I have a few more ideas I wanna work with
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Improved Initiative is a a great addition early because of the way the game treats flatfooted. You will gain sneak attacks if you have more initiative and that +4 is huge when you can hit this many targets.
Oooh fancy
@@ArcaneAgent
This is a very fun build. Some possible slight adjustments can be thrown in too. Might help you out with future builds. Love your work.
I have been playing around with is using Thug instead of Rogue. It grants shaken and if it stacks to 4 rounds then frighten from any intimidate persuasion check. This actives with dazzling display/Cornougon Smash and other demoralizing attacks. If you use a half-orc instead of a human you also get more intimidate and the 1 round if you are taken below 0 to keep fighting in exchange for a feat.
A single level in Barbarian can be used as well in place of fighter giving you some rage bonuses for tougher fights and 10 bonus movement speed. Although it does effect alignment to be Chaotic and limit you to medium armor but some of the higher medium armors have very low penalties to skill checks. Since your not in base contact this will allow you to be more mobile without the Attacks of Opportunity procs most of the time.
Alternatively Paladin can be used as a lawful good and with 2 levels the bonus to will saves clears up the one weakness in will saves very nicely.
Another great video! These builds rock, keep up the good work man!
Thanks man. I have some more build videos in working on live on my twitch channel at www.twitch.tv/thearcaneagent
Very well done, looking forward to seeing more of your builds.
The reach rogue is one of my faves as well
Hi Liquid, would love to see your take on a duelist build!
Greatly enough, my duelist and druid build are both next week, as is another monk build!
Wow, this build looks super fun!
Its a good one for sure
>doing a Jorg Ancrath build as thug
>youtube recommend this video for a rogue build
>lets see whats recommended for rogues
>portrait is Jorg Ancrath fanart
>nice
Personally i'd recommend: instead of fighter you can take 2 levels of paladin, you get a lot of saves, smite evil and healing plus proficiency with everything but shields. 1 level of vivisectionist gives you enlarge person (bigger weapon = more cleaving range) plus a extra d6 to sneak attacks and mutagen. 1 level on scaled monk gives the crane feat and free ac when unarmed (if you took vivisectionist you can use shield+wand of mage armor) with 16 charisma you can have 23 ac, 27 with crane style, 30 agaisnt enemies you use smite evil, 32 if you also shake them
2 levels Paladin and 1 level monk is so over done though
Like he said its overdone and boring but also forces you to be lawful good which isn't that fun to always play the lawful good hero every game.
I prefer chaotic good
How about doing this whole build with a Vivisectionist rather than a rogue? Sure, you lose out on debilitating injuries but the true mutagen gives you +8 to all physical scores that stacks with belts. With your potions can give yourself legendary proportions and the transformation spell which gives you some enhancement bonuses (+4 to all physical stats, probably irrelevant at that point) +5 natural armor to AC and proficiency with all martial weapons (and at level 20 a +5 to your BAB). You can also turn into a dragon or a smilodon for 5 attacks per round (though I don't know if that works with cleave).
Via the Vivisectionists medical discoveries you can pick up confounding blades, slow reactions and dispelling attacks. I guess the biggest drawback is having less skill points per level and fewer class skills, especially a lack of persuasion. Though with intimidating prowess you can make up for that easily.
And naturally, this build becomes slightly more MAD as you need to get to 16 intelligence, or even more as the strength mutagen will reduce your intelligence.
Yeah everyone wants me to use vivisectionist, but I like my rogue skill points
Another great build man!
One tries
Another great video and I am big fan of your channel.And I would like your help,I was thinking of running a Sylvan sorcerer/storm walker ranger in kingmaker.And I would appreciate your advice.
Hi Liquid, I like this build alot, was wondering if you could give your take on a sorcerer/ranged paladin build
Seriously? That's tomorrows build!!!
@@ArcaneAgent awesome, looking forward to it!
Posts tomorrow at 11am
hi liquid, ur making great job with this videos, cause ur build are most creative and fun to play. Could u sometimes in future create necromancer-inquisitor build ???
Yeppers I can
Yeah plz do....
Hello there!
This is an interesting video.... but.... This very build could be far more effective if you did go for 2 Thug.
Assuming we wanted to min-max this build for damage, going 2 Thug, 1 Vivi, 17 Fighter would be an incredible option.
The issue I have with Cleave is that it takes the entire round for a SINGLE attack (that can AoE if it hits, fair enough). However, if you went for Fighter, you could boost your BAB, forego the Cleave line entirely and grab Dreadful Carnage.
That way, you could poke people for massive damage due to Fighter's Combat Feats and Weapon Specialization, as well as have about 5 attacks per round.
For each strike, you could persuade the enemy (which as a Thug makes it run away), gaining an attack of opportunity on it. With the massive damage from Fighter+Glaive/Bardiche you should score an easy kill early on in combat, making every enemy around your team run away, thus getting even more attacks of opportunity on them which will, in turn, Dreadful Carnage all over again.
TL;DR: The damage and sheer number of attacks per round with a Reach Fighter w/o Cleave would outdamage the single Cleave per round, which is in itself dependant on scoring a kill in order to reset, whereas a Fighter could keep an entire enemy squad Frightened for the whole combat with a poke or two.
A good thought exercise though. Maybe try this Fighter setup on Beneath the Stolen Lands DLC and compare the results. ^_~
Spearmaster! Man this was really amazing, and no dumping of stats either! Did you know, btw, that patch 1.1 beta is now out too :)
Yes I did know that. Havent had time to test it
it would be interesting to blend this build with the Sacred Huntsmaster build for Amiri
I would use this build but instead of making it a reach build I would make it a crit build. Using an Elven curve blade. Get one with Keen on it and the crit range goes to 15 through 20
Wouldn't dual wielding be better with a crit build?
So fancy
So critty, dual wield those kukris
If you're talking about 4 maximum damage then dual wield two Keen rapiers
But the Elven curve blade allows you to get impact on it as well as Keen
Hi Liquid, love your builds. Would like to see a Dragon Disciple build that uses Bard to meet the requirements instead of sorcerer.
I shall try
it would be awesome if you could do an Eldritch Archer build
Using the eldritch archer class? Or can I make my own derivative of what an arcane archer should be?
both would be a great watch tho my preference would be on using the class but seeing what you think would make the best choices would also be cool @@ArcaneAgent
Let me mess around with it all
by all means have at thee @@ArcaneAgent
I want to see this in Wrath of the Righteous
*_Any builds that you could think of that would act well as a Blackguard or Anti-Paladin?_*
*_The provided companions are a little too clean for my liking, so they tend not to live long._*
I'm working on a couple of wisdom stacking builds at the moment, may be able to work something in
instead of fighter why not inquisitor pet? do the shyala? diety which gives you glaive without the martial need and you can get bless and bane with putting the points in wisdom instead of intellect you also get a pet... which is nice
I love that portrait. Where do i find it?
Le google
No intimidating prowess or skill focus: persuasion? In the tail end of the game your intimidate checks need every boost they can get.
Also, have you thought about making builds that cap out at level 17? Without reducing the size of your party and turning off shared experience, 17 is the final level that's easily attainable.
Yes, but my builds are usually capable at 17, I just show people what 3 more levels can do.
People would ask the same thing, "have you considered taking your level 17 builds to level 20?"
Would love to see a Dwarf build using 2 dwarven war axes that would be viable.
Might have to try it
First thought there is a dwarf ranger so you could ignore the high dex needed for two weapon fighting.
Yes. That would work perfectly
What did you have more fun with? this build or the Reach Magus?
Anyone know why Cornugon Smash and Dazzling Display work like that in the video game? They don't seem to synergize that way in the pen-and-paper rules.
Because the game isnt as easy to make things work as well as you can imagine in a pnp
@@ArcaneAgent Yeah but in this case, it's the other way around :( Thanks though!
Did anyone make a printable copy of this build? Are you going to make a rouge archer?
Rogue archer is soon. My build Monday is another rogue hehe
Hey there. I have been watching some of your videos. Great content. I have a question, is any two-handed weapon a reach weapon. Or how do I know which 2 handed weapons qualify as reach weapons?
A reach weapon will say reach in the description as well it will say that it's reach is 6 feet
if it was done at that one level why not go fighter or something like to take up the other levels?
ay, another fantastic spin. This game offers a trident, lightning spells, and thunder bard. I wonder if you could do your take on the theme of Zeus
Okay so now that gives me a sweet idea!!!
@@ArcaneAgent glad to hear, can't wait to see your idea!
Halfling zeus lol jk
@@ArcaneAgent possible, considering the skill enlarge...
Nope, halfling and reduced person hehe
thanks, always like watching your videos.
Hi liquid i Would love to see take a look into cleric crusader and figther build, with sun Domain its a preaty interesting and cool anti undead build, i choose shield mastery and shield bash with power attack cormongus smash, hope u find it interesting
Clerics are a favorite of mine
Question on this build: Why not take the 1 level of Fighter at the start?
Cus I was dumb
@@ArcaneAgent what I meant was, does it matter if you take it at 1 instead of at 2nd or 3rd level?
@@ArcaneAgent Also, question on Cleave... if I dont actually use Cleave to attack, but I have the rest of the Cleave feats, will they (in particular Imp. Cleaving Finish) proc on regular attacks? I hate mico managing my reg tanks like that.
Yes they auto proc
@@ArcaneAgent noyce
What is the single most overpowered starting character you can come up with?
Working on that now
What comes 1st to my mind is either a Human Paladin or Aasimar Paladin. The special abilities he get's plus bonus to saving throws right off the bat is really good. Also, maybe Barbarian for the rage. Get's you gibbing everything right from the get go :) But the most op class is the Monk. But he is squishy at 1st level and doesn't break the game until later.
Paladins are beaaaasty
A reach build Monster Trainer summoner with the animal domain. It is literally a 1 man party especially if you go NE inquisitor of Gohzeh for the less blasty more slashy higher level summons.
Looks fun love your vids. Have you done any inquisitor builds?
Not yet. I am pushing out as many builds as I can at the moment. Ive got to create the builds that come to my head first hehe
Seems like picking a lvl fighter anywhere except at lvl 20 where you did it will prevent you from taking exhausting critical..
Have you found a way around this?
You need a high bab early for it
Bro, this build was amazing. Great job. Could use more will save.... but still!
Well yeah, everyone wants high saves but no one wants to play a 2paladin/1scaledfist/17sorcerer all the time
@@ArcaneAgent I don't know if you play the game's randomized dungeon, the beneath the stolen lands, but around levels 35-40 they're impossible if your wisdom save is under 14 or 15. Every single encounter will involve multiple of those... prism or whatever saves, the will save 22 that if you fail insta kills you.
Hi, would it be a good option to dip into two handed fighter for that extra damage. If yes, how many levels would you suggest?
You'd need 3 levels of two handed fighter
If you're taking finesse feat for anything, you should be immediately and at all times focus on having dexterity higher than strength, and specially since combat reflexes keep adding aoo with each modifier to dex. It's that simple, no rocket science needed :) But otherwise great idea for a build.
Yes, if I was working on a dual wield or dex build. But the dex doesnt work for reach weapons
Ah, forgot about that one. Cheers for the answer and again, love the work on these.
Where are you from? I'm looking to always make sure my video titles are translated well
Iceland. No need to change anything on my behalf. That was just my brain not functioning for a sec :)
@@ArcaneAgent There is actually a reach dagger available in the game but it is one of the crafter items so totally RNG if you get it or not. If you could get 2 of them a dex based dual wielding reach fighter would totally be an option. Or dex based reach magus for that matter.
lvl 7 currently (and new to the game), i feel like this build doesn't work as intended anymore?
seems like my cleave doesn't work with cornugon smash or i should say i can't activate both at once?
all that cornugon smash does for me currently is wasting a dmg roll since my char does only the pose. help :D
Are you using turn based mod?
@@ArcaneAgent sort of, yes. depending on the encounter
I believe dazzling display takes a full round. Are you using power attack to trigger cornygon smash
@@ArcaneAgent my power attack is always activated, yes. even without turn based mode i never got the "green aoe" on an attack :/
I know is a long time since this video, but do you guys know if cleave properly works with longspears?? or still buggy??
What do you mean buggy?
@@ArcaneAgent When i played Kingmaker cleave didn´t work with longspears, now i replaying again because the spanish translation and i just wondering if they patched it. Going to test it anyway. I´ll keep you informed haha
Yeah there are still some bugs for sure
Is there a way to Hot'key toggle Stealth?
Bro I wish. The only way ive been able to do it is through a rangers camouflage. Check out my Dreadful ranger video
Pls tell me this build is still working nowadays :3
Henlo ^^/
Henlo to you too. Still works for Kingmaker
@@ArcaneAgent this is crazy broh!
Not even my most fun build. Look at my kineticist thug build. That one took the world by storm
@@ArcaneAgent goooonnna check it now!
(i Actually dont even know what a lvl 20 character can do At all, i Just completed the first act of the game XD)
Interesting build you have here kinda reminds me of a lightly armored Dragoon build instead of using basically what is a long reaching tank this build seems more apt at using mid range physical sneak attack damage
So if you are starting a thief build does that mean you will be doing the Ninja build soon as well?
Ninja type build. But there is no ninja class in the game yet.
To you, what qualifies as a ninja?
@@ArcaneAgent Well and this is just my opinion on it but I think the Ninja should be a Monk/Rogue with the Rogue giving the build it's sneak attack damage, it's combat feats like taking two weapon fighting and the Monk for the Ninja's marital arts, exotic weapons, and their more mystical abilities
So mystic very exotic
@@ArcaneAgent yeah that's the way I think the Ninja should be but the issue to me is you know putting it together to make it work in game
Making it effective is the issue
What about Reach monk in Pathfinder: Kingmaker? Can Monk use spear?
I mean they can with the proficiency for the longer weapons, however your monk flurry and ki wont work with them
@@ArcaneAgent Thanks. You tried it? But then, what could the monk do with staff - it must really be an awful weapon.
@@morriganmhor5078 staff isnt a reach weapon
Can we get some insane builds for companions ?
I need a spreadsheet option for quick reference.....
What spreadsheet?
Why not Thug? Isn't Frightening and brutal beating worth it iver trapfinding/trapsense in this build?
Possibly. But if you dont want to scare your enemies away because of dreadful carnage, dont use thug
where do you get those portraits man?
Nexusmods.com for pathfinder kingmaker, also just google
god dammit... now i'm rerolling again
Glad to have helped hehe
Thanks
Why not going for vivisectionist instead of rogue? Same sneak attack but also mutagen and spells.
Vivisectionist doesn't get the Rogue Feats that allow us to make this build work so early on.
@@ArcaneAgent Vivi gets bonus feat every 2 level. You can choose discoveries or combat trick which are the same as rogue's one
Ah frick, one more thing I didnt know... Then why are rogues even in this lol
I do know a rogue 20 gets that awesome feat to instantly kill people though, that was my main idea.
Maybe now I revisit this build and make a vivisectionist reach rogue build...
@@ArcaneAgent Vivi is just the OP melee class right now. It is in tabletop too
death knight or undead knight?
Oooh
hey Liquid would like to see how you would make a Trip build (mostly for my nok-nok) thanks
Trip time soon
Isn't it "two too"?
Choo choooo
Dude come on - Thug for frightens instead of just shaken, 3 point in 2 handed fighter to add more dmg on cleaves
Not sure if thugs frightening was working when I made this video
Liquid Plays Ahh fairs - wasn’t a bad build I quite enjoyed it I just thought it would be much better from levels 1-14 with thug
Hi I'm new here is this build still viable
Yes it is
@@ArcaneAgent I subscribed to your Channel because 1 I like the way you make your videos and 2 it means a lot to me that you came back to answer a reply on an old video so thank you
Hey man no problem. I think I made this video in like 2018 hehe
this video is by far your best from Pathfinder Kingmaker till now. they was good, but this is fantastic.. pls stay this way with level one fights after the level prozess.. And i thought they forgot to put reach in the Game. there should be reach stat in the info text of the weapon.
Keep ups the good work
So you liked seeing it at level 1 and 2? And then its full potential?
At the time of the build, thug wasnt working
I like your content and you bring up a good point. You are fighting low-level enemies with your finished builds. I have a relatively easy way to reach endgame for you, assuming you know how to edit saves or got a decent cheat-engine/trainer.
In the game, when you are supposed to go to the trading post, head west as far as you can. (You need high camouflage skill and a cheat to alter speed/time to get there quickly) You will encounter a river which you can only pass at one point, you need a high (40+?) athletic skill for that.
You will have endgame mobs there. Your gear won't be up to spec but it should be better to showcase there, and it will only take you about 5min extra time to get there.
For the cheating part:
Assuming you know how to Save edit: open player.json -> find "SpeedModifier" -> change its value to something like "100" instead of "1". You can also edit your skills in Party.json
If you don't do this you have to get a trainer with the "freeze/slow time" function.
I too have a plan
Is this build stil good?
I still play with it
@@ArcaneAgent Thx, I like rouge classes :)
TRIPLE DECKER NERRDDDDDDDD
Just wait till you see my Monday build. Major nerd. Not a barbarian build, but major nerding
Give us an Eldrich Knight, boy!
In the works
@@ArcaneAgent My man
Elditch Knight, what sort of fighting are you wanting to do? I have my own ideas as to what I want to do, but what are you looking for?
@@ArcaneAgent Put your own spin on it man, your builds are fire.
Cool build, but why no Outflank? It would even give extra attacks of opportunity on a critical.
Edit: BTW, if you get a level of Fighter 1, you'll still only get BAB 15 at level 20...but at rogue level 19 you won't get a feat.
Yes I tried that out, you don't get that extra feat, and it doesbt add more bab. Only armor and martial and shields
way not intimidating prowess it and strength to the intimidation role u neade that to keep them from geting of flatfooted...
Because my persuasion would always be high enough,. I mean you could do it, but youd burn a feat
I was just thinking if u take a fighter level early u get a extra feat and u need to land that intimidation check it is key fore this to work love the ide tho.
So true
This is an inane build. Rogues want to apply sneak attack damage as much as possible which means maximizing the number of attacks. Not dual wielding is stupid. You will do more damage as a 2H fighter with a few levels of Rogue.
K
Inane was unfair. I did not mean to be a dick. I like your videos.
I like your comments 😎
cleave at level 1 requires a +1 BAB
Yeppers
try eldritch scion abyssal legacy\fighter twohander
ed dragon disciple :)
So many classes
@@ArcaneAgent yes but they have great synergy.
13 scion allow you to cast spell in heavy armor abyssal legacy give you +4str and make you 6lvl warrior. 3lvl warrior give you double str bonus to twohanders and make you 9 lvl warrior which allow you to pick improved feats for hit and damage which require 8lvl warrior. and 4lvl of dragon disciple give you 4 more str 2ac and raise your magus spellcasting lvls.
so. you loose your ability to meelespellcasting because use twohander but you still have tons of buffs and magus arcanes which give you lots of damage for 1min per lvl.
so in nutshell you have twohander fingter with selfbuffs and some attacking\controll spells with 36str (with +6 gear) and about 45ish AC and also you can cast polymorf on yourself to trade more stats for loosing ability of casting spells.
another option for making more ac is take 1 lvl tower shield master fighter just for unlocking stuff and take two more dragon disciple. so you will have more protection but less damage. but i like more first option because you have lots of spells to raise your survivability and tons of damage allow you to finish any battle before you loose all your mirrors spells xD
also good idea to take feat which is allow you to your str mod as additional bonus to your intimidate and take actions for demralising and fear monsters.
only one minus is very less number of skills per level
@@juliaswallow8637 This sounds like the build I was looking for. How did you do the lvl progression, first Fighter and then Magus ?
@@j.d.5626 sadly at 1.1 you can not take dragon disciple with abyssal legacy but in that case you loosing 2str and 2ac if not taking dragon disciple which is kinda not a big deal.
so you taking 1lvl fighter. just because it way more easy to beat first part of the game as fighter. then take magus. at prebuffing you always can just remove your plate armor and at lvl 7 magus you will be able to cast freely weared in mithril full plate which is require heavy armor profency but considered as medium anyway. so then at level 13 you take more str and able to cast spells in heavy armor. then take two more fighter lvl for x2 str modifer bonus and then level as magus to the end instead of dragon disciple. your weapon must be glave or something else with reach. you stay behind tank and hit bastards hard :) so your ac not much important. you also will have shield buff. 50% chance to miss on you and mirrors image so you are well protected anyway. you also can add additional damage to your weapon many times per day. but two best buffs for you is transform from circle 6 your spells which give you bab as full fighter of same lvl and wizards buff from circle 7 "legendary size" or something like that. which is enlarge you x12 and give +6 str which is STACKING with your gear (and more other things). so. gloves you can find in pieces for 8str + 6str from magus +6str from spell with fighter bab allow you to chomp pretty much any faces with couple hits.
fun thing is uner that legendary size spell with your glave you have range almost as archers xD
but also if you dont know you can reach lvl 20 only if you wll use 4-5 people group and dont spare exp with peoples in hold... so my choise was full protected valerie and harim as tanks, my magus from behind, and octavia leveled as mage behind. lindzi also great choise but you can stop leveling her at lvl 11 and taking just for tough fights because her songs kinda op even at 11 lvl... just because at 11 lvl you getting +3 ab song and +4 ab only at 17 and difference between 11 and 17 damn huge and other songs not very awesome.
also instead of octavia you can took tristian leveled as mystic theurge which is may be awesome buffer\summoner. but i prefer octavia because harim can buff as cleric and octavia as mage but octavia also have awesome damage because of sneak attack is applied to spell so even zero circle spells can damage 30-40 easy.and spells of higher lvls with few charges just shred mobs in pieces.
@@juliaswallow8637 Thank your for such detailed reply, XD. just one more question what difficulty you played that run ? I am playing (attempting) core rules so challenging with normal enemies. Do you think a party of 5 can do it without being a nightmare ?
But does it solo unfair mode ? :D
I need to make a solo unfair
Thug synegies sooo much better with Dazzling Display, i dint know why you ignore that
It wasn't working 3 hours ago before they patched it
@@ArcaneAgent well it works now :)
Well I know that lol
how did u always start ur game with level 20 and if i start create a new character idon't have enough skills to put it as u showing
Ребят я все правильно понял, класс выбран разбойник(вор) ?
i Subscribed :)
I appreciate it, seriously when people like what I'm doing, its like my jam man
@@ArcaneAgent No worries ! i enjoy watching your builds bro :)
Just an FYI, I think there is a poor interpretation of the original Pathfinder rules regarding the rogue talent Combat Trick. In the original Pathfinder rules, you cannot take Combat Trick more than once. You seem to be able to take Combat Trick over and over again...
Oh yes I know, but the game doesnt know...
Yeah that's pretty weird and need to be fixed.
But nooo I likes it hehe
A LOT of stuff in this game does not follow Pathfinder RAW. Lots of weapons were changed/nerfed. Lots of class abilities were changed/nerfed/buffed. Honestly, if they made it like a standard unchained rogue it would absolutely fail in the higher difficulties in the late game with the inflated monster stats.
Which is prolly why you can combat trick forever
I mean like 90% of them just show some thematic shit that doesn’t even happen in the game.
actually it was "two" and "too" not "to" just an fyi homie
K thanks hehe
I say "too" too much too. Try adding in some as well's and also's too.
In as much as
The builds are cool and all but the test footage is kind of useless, you can make anything look good when you are max level vs low level trash tho
Weve discussed this before on my channel. At least 12 times
Get on fortnite with me and jake
I'm not at the studio , I'm at home with the Ryan and josh
garbage build, everything works on normal. Just cosplay a bunny and bite people to death - works just as well and looks a lot more hillarious.
What?
@@ArcaneAgent rogues are all about dexterity since they get the dexmod for dmg instead of str, also you will need higher con + the defbonus from dex is a must have after chapter 2 or youll be a onehit, i watched a lot of videos from you and others and the only conclusion is that you shouldnt post videos on how to build if youre a noob "srynotsry", because spamming vids about builds that wont work for people should never be the goal, the only thing it will give you is hate and frustration, since those people will waste 30-50hours of gameplay into a character that has no functionality in the end whatsoever.
im a noob too by the way and i kinda get annoyed watching a 20min video only to realise in the comments that i wasted my time on it. If you go for builds let them be analysed by pros at least, or make yourself one.
Bro, for the last time, a level 16 warrior could wreck face on this game. There are enough skills and items to do anything.
A Rogue could wear plate armor and a tower shield for defense if they wanted high AC
@@Chris_KAy I have been playing a character nearly identical to the spec he lays out here. It is pretty insanely good. There may be better but at lvl 11 my rogue with a glaive runs up to a group, winds up a cleave, and does 35-100 damage per hit, very often getting up to maybe 6-7 hits if enough enemies are there clustered up, and demoralizing them all in 1 swing from cornugan smash. This guy is just sickly good and still hits pretty hard single target too. I just started buffing him with enlarge person and the range is HUGE. I have atm 9 levels into thug and 2 into paladin for saves and to wear blessed path which buffs her persuasion nicely and is a +2 plate. Really I don't know how much better characters can get but this build does more damage output than anyone else in my party. It was hitting hard from the get-go.
How dare you agree with me, comd on all of the people say I am trash