Star Citizen 1.0. Thinking About the Cities of Terra.

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  • @ToastyMcGrath
    @ToastyMcGrath 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Ah, but the UEE Navy's headquarters is NOT on Earth. It's on MacArthur in the Kilian system.
    *Pushes up science fiction geek glasses*

  • @z-beeblebrox
    @z-beeblebrox 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's an architect - Etienne-Louis Boullee - who designed fictional, impossibly giant government/civic buildings that are effectively what you're describing on super-steroids. I'd love to see some of those brought to life! Though personally, I envision Terra as a home for all those speculative multi-tiered garden-roofed archologies you sometimes see thrown around in those "upcoming record breaking skyscrapers!" compilations that never leave the design phase.

  • @RafaelMartins-e6b
    @RafaelMartins-e6b 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Speaking of Science Fiction Anthologies, my favorite one is Harlan Ellison, Dangerous Visions. Great book.

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That is indeed one of the finest.

  • @Ricky-fj6ne
    @Ricky-fj6ne 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks to you I've discovered the Best SF Stories of 2987 series, also known back then as The 1987 Annual World's Best SF. They look cool for a sci-fi lover and I'm gonna have to read them all. :D

  • @stormwolf3255
    @stormwolf3255 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You are right... I really wish CIG would listen and take note when architects talk about architecture / city planning... just like I wish they'd listen when physicists talk about how their physics / celestial mechanics doesn't quite add up. If Terra Prime ends up looking like a generic 1950's science fiction anthology cover instead of a futuristic analogue of Constantinople they'll only have themselves to blame.

  • @loganwolfram4216
    @loganwolfram4216 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I think the problem when designing inhabited worlds in sci fi is often that they start on it backwards. They usually start with earth as a reference point and say "so planet is kind of like space New York, this planet is kind of like space San Francisco, then this other planet is kind of like space Tokyo. Now we've got to add some futuristic elements to make it seem like scifi and we've got to add some weird geography to make it seem like it's on another planet.
    How they should go about it is the reverse of this. You START your concepting process with the alien physical qualities of the world, then you extrapolate how people would live on it from, which then tells you how it should look. So say you've got a planet that you want to be really wealthy and powerful and have a big population. Let's say it's going to have mines on it that provide rare materials, and it's located along a really important trade route. The gravity is 0.6g and it's located further away from the star than earth, so maybe it's a little bit more like mars. The atmosphere isn't breathable, but isn't toxic either. Let's say there's nitrogen and water and co2 but little oxygen, so animals can't breath but plants are fine out in the open. It's colder than earth, but there's a lot of volcanic activity.
    So what would civilization on this planet look like? Well gravity is lower so you can have lots of huge, tall structures. Building things is cheap, moving cargo around is cheap, launches are cheap. You're probably going to have lots of elevated rail, supertall skyscrapers, huge domes, farms everywhere. Lots of travel by rocket and aircraft. You've got a fairly dense atmosphere but low gravity, so airships will work great, and can be much larger than aerostats on earth. This place is a great hub for manufacturing and logistics. Say they're a big producer of ceramics, then wouldn't they also use ceramics in building construction rather than concrete, steel, glass etc? People don't need spacesuits, to walk around outside, but they do need breathing devices and oxygen tanks. There's probably going to be large indoor parks that simulate earth, so people can experience nature in more comfort. You've got volcanic activity and water, so they're probably going to use geothermal power because it's cheap and easy. Cities are probably going to be built around geothermal springs because they provide water, heat, electricity, and minerals. It's kinda dark, so they're probably going to build a lot of artificial lights for mental health reasons.
    My point is, you should always start with the physical realities of the planet, and then ask "what's the easiest way to do things here? What would this place be good at? What would it be bad at? What could you do here that you couldn't do on earth? It makes the place feel believable, and gives it a strong sense of cohesion. Starting with "we want this place to be like Paris, but sci fi. We'll build all the environmental conditions afterwards" is such an uninspired way to go about it and I think it produces locations that feel boring.

    • @z-beeblebrox
      @z-beeblebrox 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      CIG isn't really worldbuilding from scratch though. Their primary aesthetic goals are to gather in the vibes of every iconic Sci Fi thing/location that exists in all of pop culture and give each one their own spin. Only after that do they even consider pure worldbuilding.

  • @walawala-fo7ds
    @walawala-fo7ds 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm thinking about social security. That's what I'll collect before we see this

    • @ohyeah2816
      @ohyeah2816 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’m already collecting my state pension, I’m just glad to be seeing 4!

  • @szakattkorts
    @szakattkorts 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It's a bit disappointing that you said cities plural in the title of the video, but focused specifically on the best vision for the main landing zone. I totally agree with what you said about that, but I was hoping you'd also be making a case for multiple landing zones, with plenty of room for other cities with the more generic sci-fi sprawl.

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well, the number of landing zones are already specified.

    • @LucidStrike
      @LucidStrike 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      CIG will definitely spread villages and towns, and with base building, players could build towns or even cities too.

    • @z-beeblebrox
      @z-beeblebrox 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should check out the presentation they gave about populating planets. It implies what we'll be seeing on places like Terra. Although it will be interesting to see how they tweak those rules for highly populated, or "civilized" planets like Terra Prime

  • @Temprasphere
    @Temprasphere 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best sf stories of 2987.
    What a good year it will be!
    Keep up the great work!

  • @MrSmith123123
    @MrSmith123123 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cool ideas! Best SF stories of 2987.

  • @gergenskits3940
    @gergenskits3940 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    well, I am very much looking forward to seeing our actual solar system in our Science Fiction game. I want to see what my "parent's house" looks like 930 years in the future.

  • @robert.staubs
    @robert.staubs 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Well argued. It absolutely should have lots of neo-neoclassical architecture!

  • @shanehorvath7670
    @shanehorvath7670 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    City looks like science fiction! Keep up the good work Ray.

  • @mandark10110
    @mandark10110 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To me the grand promenade of an interstellar species would be visible from orbit, mega structures and earthworks on a scale that dwarfs the actual utility buildings on the planet. A statement of humanity as it were , and I for one would love to approach a planet and see its monuments from space knowing my house existed on the edge of one of those massive structures lol.

  • @justsomewhitewolf
    @justsomewhitewolf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If Terra wants to be the new Earth it can't feel empty, unlike Stanton. But we'll see what kind of Science Fiction Anthology Terra will be.

  • @3dVisualist
    @3dVisualist 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some of the concept art does, indeed, look like the back cover of a Sci Fi anthology (albeit a good one), but I totally agree with your analysis about what the city(s) in Terra should look like. However, CIG have a HUGE uphill struggle to create the Terra system to the same fidelity as Stanton!

  • @ricardop5892
    @ricardop5892 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ohhh the Best SF Stories of 2987 could inspire a lot of SC stuff i guess

  • @stormycatmink
    @stormycatmink 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aww.. right as the video ended, I was like 'Okay nice background, so how should Terra look.. this will be cool.' and then it was over. :(

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well, a big long term goal of mine will be to actually put all these thoughts into a 3D reality. But that will take a LONG time to realize.

  • @MrRogno
    @MrRogno 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would be cool if CIG publish some paperbacks with lore :)

  • @jordanmickelson8880
    @jordanmickelson8880 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think it would be awesome if they had a giant statue of a woman with outstretched arms made of pure haddanite that you could see from space, inviting you into the loving arms of Terra with smaller art installations throughout the city about founders and flowers absolutely everywhere. That would offset the boring sci-fi anthology feel.

  • @widt94
    @widt94 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    LoL we have no idea how a futuristic city might incorporate our culture as humans as a whole, but do agree the city scapes did look like a scientific anthology cover xD

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      well in the year 2000 we are still directly quoting buildings from two millenia ago, why wouldn't in a thousand years be quoting current cities?

    • @widt94
      @widt94 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RaysGuide I agree it could but in the future we might even find ways to faster travel or traverse than the conventional way we have now changing how cities are built or even a bio-engineered building which could be a living building which does not deterorate are all things which can come into being and change how we connect with each other. A really interesting concept to think about :)

  • @theMedicatedCitizen
    @theMedicatedCitizen 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone looking for a great sci-fi anthology should take a look at Neal Asher for newer stuff, or Jeffrey A Carver from 80's sci-fi. I'd look to see some concepts from those make it into Star Citizen. Looking forward to 1.0

  • @JFrombaugh
    @JFrombaugh 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think Terra is going to be more like Dubai or Singapore. A little too sterile, a little too flashy, and with a seedy underbelly they hide away (see the concept art for the Blocks neighborhood).

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Every city has its slums.

  • @Vioblight
    @Vioblight 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very cool thoughts!
    Unlike the Starlancer MFD “update”…

  • @StoneHiro
    @StoneHiro 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To be fair, city building isn't something most sci-fi authors spend a lot of time doing so artists are given very little beyond some basic descriptions to work from. I am looking forward to see what RSI comes up with.

  • @Graytalon
    @Graytalon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Look, I think Michael Whelan would have been a much better choice, if they were going to do some cover art for Science Fiction. Some of his art is just remarkable.

  • @Aero_Yuki
    @Aero_Yuki 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looking at the older concept art for Star Citizen cities really does feel like the visual representation of a science fiction anthology. Unfortunately in the modern era, some of this artwork looks more like generic A.I. art of a "futuristic city" and uses spaceships and structures that don't look like anything like what we'd expect to see today in SC.

    • @z-beeblebrox
      @z-beeblebrox 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mean, most of those LLMs probably trained on SC's art among others in the first place so it makes sense they output similar stuff

  • @seotenin
    @seotenin 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I plan on Terra to be my home world

  • @DawnstealerGaming
    @DawnstealerGaming 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More than concept art: they had Terra whiteboxed. People were running around it back in...2015, I think?

  • @ohyeah2816
    @ohyeah2816 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don’t particularly like the older architecture of the cities of current day Earth. I like the look of Coruscant in Star Wars with the top of planet’s tallest mountain on display. It might be generic sci-fi but if you at Canary Wharf or Manchester central, these are modern buildings now.

  • @alexking_17
    @alexking_17 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There appears to be missing audio around about 2:30 in the video

  • @brentmellinger
    @brentmellinger 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Star Citizen is a Sci-fi game, so early concept art looking rather generic science fiction anthology cover-ish is to be expected. The newer concept art for Castra has a bit of a definitive style, and I'd expect there is Terra stuff we have not yet seen.

  • @Merciful_Angel
    @Merciful_Angel 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I suppose the issue was that early Star Citizen was just another science-fiction anthology, lots of disparate ideas thrown at a wall to see what would stick. We've had over a decade of refinements and corrections since then, which has got us to where we are today.

  • @Magnum.Bloodstone
    @Magnum.Bloodstone 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once again I feel as though your video isn't directed at the Star Citizen player, but rather Star Citizen developers. I hope they are viewers of yours! It would be a shame if much of the planet just appeared as meaningless sci-fi future city filler. Great analysis Ray!

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My goal is to start discussions. I hope those discussions reach inside CIG but they are fun discussions netherless.

    • @Magnum.Bloodstone
      @Magnum.Bloodstone 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RaysGuide Agreed!

  • @joemichaud5704
    @joemichaud5704 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't know. If a place in Star Citizen is going to have a "generic science fiction" look, it seems like Terra is probably it. Not that I am advocating for it so much as saying that it would seem to fit. Your points about important government buildings in real life are well taken, though.

  • @graveperil2169
    @graveperil2169 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    they attempt to have a great plan for London after the great fire 1066. Only problem was that the day after the fire Londoners started rebuilding it they had no time for grand government plans they had lives to live and money to be made

  • @Storm-Cleaver
    @Storm-Cleaver 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NGL, I was _really_ surprised that Terra was going to be in so early. I was expecting waves of 5 planets each year, a mix of high, mid, low, and null-sec systems, slowly pushing out from Stanton. So, I'm really curious to see what's going to happen here.
    I like your idea of having in-universe sci-fi anthologies using old concept art. Will they still be reading Asimov in a thousand years? I like to think so, but will it still be mainstream, or will it be like reading Beowulf is for us?

  • @Artemis0713
    @Artemis0713 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now while I agree that the concept images we have look like anthology covers, as do most of the location concepts from that era. I have spent way too much time going through lore and I still couldn't tell you what half of them are. I don't think Terra, or to be more clear if we are mostly focusing on the city of Prime here, should be this bastion of neoclassical architecture and just a place waiting to become the capital.
    falling back on classical architecture is an Old UEE thing, and more significantly, a Messer Era thing. Terra would not be going in that direction. Terra, and Prime, are supposed to be these modern, cosmopolitan cities. They're the heart of fashion and culture in the empire. They're the future, not the past. The lore describes Prime as a meticulously planned city that fits perfectly into the surrounding environment. So government structures in Prime would not be large, dominating complexes covering vast tracts of land. They'd be complex, organic structures that move with the land, blurring the boundary between what is the planet and what is manmade. They'd not show power for being dominating, but for seeming to be part of the ancient planet itself.

  • @42enifed76
    @42enifed76 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Roman and Greek temples eg acropolis were tall for their time, not just sprawling. The aim was to indeed create a visually impressive distinction from the surroundings - which could be interpreted in may ways in science fiction for terra. I hope the lore does not just bring us back to Roman and Greek times. SciFi is there to create worlds and Terra was set up to be something new and better! Not a copy of Earth cultural references.

  • @RamzUchiha
    @RamzUchiha 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have never read Best sf stories of 2987. I think you have some interesting ideas here but I really hope they look at the planet they want and then build the cities and design around that rather than oh this will be a old american wester planet and this will be a neo tokyo planet. Planets are devers and every city could be different. Although, it would be very likely to have different cultural developments just like earth. If you think about Dune for example the natives lived in caves and had these unique technologies because of the environment. That is how you build out a cool story and planet.

  • @Lokdin-nh6gw
    @Lokdin-nh6gw 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As far as science fiction anthology cover's go have you ever seen one you didn't want to visit? All the cities will be interesting to visit in game, I'm not so much for them in the real.

  • @TheRealFreakaros
    @TheRealFreakaros 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you're probably right, the first Concepts were way too science fiction imo - its not that far in the future as this would make sense tbh. im pretty curous how terra will turn out someday

  • @musicuser9967
    @musicuser9967 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just hope they do real cultures justice when they make terra. If it wants to replace earth, major cultures would have to be established there. Entire cities that speak chinese, russian, etc. where you have to have some translator mobiglass app that has an augmented reality translation system linked up to your helmet so you can read signs and such, but for those who actually speak these languages they could leave that off. Would be peak immersion.

  • @quadrapodacone
    @quadrapodacone 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope they really build out the different styles for each region, not just loo like the cover of a "science fiction anthology". :P

  • @darkfae2002
    @darkfae2002 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    they looked like the planned cities idea i've seen. there hasn't been any growth or ... compression where newer buildings are sqeezed into places too small for them. But how would cities on new planets be like, placement for colonies in 1700 is very different then ones in 2500 (just random numbers there). I mean in Civ, being near water at the start is important, but no so much once X tech is researched. even then, what is the main point of these cities, are they the port town, main gateway for goods to/from the planet? mining town? industrial?
    being that SC is a space game, aren't we playing in a science fiction anthology?

  • @Adam-vo6yl
    @Adam-vo6yl 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Who doesn't like a good science fiction anthology

  • @SolaAesir
    @SolaAesir 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah, generic science fiction is a good read for it, but I have to wonder if they'd really be going back to ancient Greece or Rome for inspiration centuries in the future. They could idolize completely different time periods, e.g. 17th & 18th century western Europe idolized ancient Egypt.

  • @jch1386
    @jch1386 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    But Science Fiction Anthologies are great coffee table books! Also, I hope that 2987 isn't when you think the game is going to be released lol.

  • @koruzarius8071
    @koruzarius8071 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah, those do look like a pretty generic old science fiction anthology cover... Hopefully we get some designs more along the seat of power motif.

  • @Kurisu2019
    @Kurisu2019 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't see the original Terra as looking like an old Science Fiction Anthology, and don't mind tall buildings for government. Look at the United Nations Headquarters in NYC. It is 39 floors tall and relatively unassuming.

    • @RaysGuide
      @RaysGuide  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But apart from the offices, the real heart of the UN headquarters is mid-rise.

  • @51ghardy
    @51ghardy 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All the great science fiction anthologies are based on philosophy. Best SF Stories 2987

  • @FuzeeSC
    @FuzeeSC 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    science fiction anthology

  • @Sumgui119
    @Sumgui119 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best SF stories 2987

  • @SundayPriest
    @SundayPriest 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You are dead on, Terra's concept art does look like the paper back cover of a science fiction anthology and I don't like it. Especially since we have the likes of Microtech and Crusader cities.
    But what you are suggesting does not much the lore I think. I understand how the Messer regime would change the architecture to more, imposing, imperial, thus Roman/Greek/Nazi mix of architecture, but Terra was opposing that, in more than one ways. And I would wager in architecture too. So I would expect a different approach, matching the more modern and liberal ideology they had.
    We are all speculating of course and I do like what CIG is doing so far, so I am sure they already plan to adapt/update the concepts.

  • @reamoinmcdonachadh9519
    @reamoinmcdonachadh9519 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It shouldn't look like Canary Wharf does in London UK.

  • @danielbalder
    @danielbalder 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am hoping that Terra leans less Generic Science Fiction anthology, and more Greek inspired. Terra has a more egalitarian democratic bent to contrast with the more autocratic imperialistic old earth.

  • @erickruller4266
    @erickruller4266 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think I actually have an old science fiction anthology lying around here some where... OK, I'm done looking, can't find it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @TheSilence1
    @TheSilence1 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I dont think the concept art is that generic. It reminds me of Hong Kong.

  • @Eroamagorath
    @Eroamagorath 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    good lord, they really named two rival planets with the same godamn name? I though they were the same thing until now, terra and sol are two different systems ???? fk me

  • @David-82
    @David-82 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    o7

  • @marcjensen9080
    @marcjensen9080 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah... but this is Star Citizen though, and many of us are going to lean hard into that science fiction anthology vibe. We'll be like, "Hey who gives a crap about Prime? Somebody said, 'Mysterious ancient ruins near Quasi!' Lets gooooo!"
    Also, Castra "unexpected"? Okay, I've often found myself alone proclaiming Castra to be one of two likely systems soon after Nyx (seems I got Hadrian wrong though). No, Castra was always an obvious choice, more so than the often mentioned Odin system, as was Terra.

  • @Bland-79
    @Bland-79 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They had a landing zone being worked on before they decided to make the planets completely instead of instanced. Terra Prime is a large city with many skyscrapers and it was beautiful. I don't like quaint low-rise cities like Washington DC especially in the future.

  • @Britich
    @Britich 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Science Fiction Anthology.

  • @kamikuru4014
    @kamikuru4014 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The perfect place for Slaaneshi corruption