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"And besides, no one was killed." But they permanently disabled her and ruined her life! Couldn't they have talked it out with Zhu about her disrupting their sleep?
That was most likely an excuse they used i dount that was their real motive they targeted her because they wanted to and just made up some bs to excuse it
If that was even true, who poisons someone because they are being disruptive? I'm pretty sure there are many things you can do before a complete breakdown that would "justify" murder. Plus, this was not a case of sudden madness. This was cruelly calculated and executed through the course of several weeks. Aside from that, wouldn't the university have records of those who filled noise complaints and, therefore, have something against Zhu, if that was true? Was it a blatant lie, police neglect to seek those files, the university misplacing the files, neglecting to take them, or helping cover it up? It feels like this should be an easy case to solve if there was proper investigation.
I can tell that that letter writer would be absolutely insufferable to be around IRL. Likely either a Karen or an incel, and a raging narcissist either way.
Considering the main suspect moved to the US makes me even more sure she did it and was trying to blame other people. He entitled attitude could mean she doesn't think she could be caught.
Even if we don't know who they are (and assuming the letter is true), they seem to think they were justified. So I'm of the view that they should at the very least be shamed whenever possible so maybe, on the off chance one of them sees something relating to the case again, they know that people are not and would not be on their side.
I wish they would have elaborated on how exactly 1 girl allegedly kept up a whole dorm for 2 years. Was she having dance parties every night? It just doesn't make any sense.
The type of person who would slowly poison someone purely out of jealousy is _exactly_ the type of person who would be so bothered and consumed by their victim's positive public perception that they would send a potentially incriminating letter without regard to the personal risk.
My thoughts exactly. Even before Lazy revelead the way she was poisoned this story reeked of someone being jealous to me. She was being described as so perfect and such a bright shining star. And then the way she got poisoned, "definitely a jealous fellow female classmate " I thought. Plus if someone were to steal her hygiene products and return them poisoned, in a dorm, they would need some observation to make sure they poison the right person. And then there's the rivalry. But the letter really seared it in, it reeks of jealousy, so desperatly trying to call the victim out and is full of projection (the part about sun being unconcerned for others). The psychotic rant about disturbed sleep is also a hint, it would need to be someone sleeping close to her at night to be disturbed. I bet she must've felt insecure that Zhu would stay up late to study, so "inconvenient" for her. Sun had also already given way to this need to be liked by people when she broke the silence to post online. It all fits perfectly, maybe too perfectly. But at the very least, if it's not directly Sun, I'm convinced she gave that Thalium knowing its purpose was to harm Zhu.
@@semoremo9548 Yeah, look, something tells me the obvious narcissist with access to thallum who fled the country and changed her name before she was ever even charged or tried (and who VERY obviously sent that awful letter to Zhu's parents about how she deserved this for being such a nuissance to her amazing, beautiful, perfect roommate) isn't the most reliable source.
@@semoremo9548Even if she was horrible she didn’t deserve that. Those fools could of reported her or talked it out with her. This excuse their making sounds like a lie to make themselves feel better about the crime they’ve done. Most likely even a lie that it was more people involved.
@@evantambolang3052 Chances are this woman who fled was some sort of malignant narcissist. Upon hearing that the information about her was now being made publicly accessible back in China, she concocted the group and sent this letter to, in her mind, exonerate herself to make herself feel better and assuage whatever people in China may have been on her side or unsure of a culprit in the case. Having gone so far as to poison her to win a college rivalry, it doesn't seem like a stretch that she'd attempt to play the victim.
the incompetence of the officials in these cases is always infuriating edit: i chose 'officials' vs police to include the doctors in the poisoning case, but yeah i agree that the cops were absolutely vile in both
Taike is a hero for protecting his girlfriend. I hope his girlfriend is doing okay. Zhu’s classmates are hero’s as well for trying to look for cures for her.
He didn’t protect her from anything. From the sound of it, they were after him. If they really were after the girlfriend, they would’ve done something to her once he was out.
They shldnt hv left with the gang to a remote spot. Never go to a second location with the aggressor it will dramatically lower your chance of survival. Honestly, scream and kick and scratch and bite (anything, use your body as much as you can on the spot might scare away the aggressor or draw attention from others -- you have a higher chance surviving than not doing anything. Going to 2nd location is big no no.
The first story made me so f-ing angry cause kids from my school did the same thing to a homeless man and did not get punished even tho they "got caught".
@@lorettascott5477 so true. It was a group of kids 13-15 and the oldest one got a few months in juvenile detention. But that was "normal" in my school. Like 2 years before I went to that school , a girl set another girl on fire cause she was jealous of her hair. It was pure hell for me cause I was one of the good kids there. Oh and the IT teacher was a pedo, everyone knew, and I still had to spend a few classes a week with him, one on one. Horrible school.
@@avelynn5976 Permanent knee injury and some trauma but mostly ok. Thank you for asking. Thankfully most people didn't bother me cause they knew that I was "different" (autistic).
America… it’s a funny thing, some times they can hunt down a person from a five year olds drawing, but they can also spend years finding someone from a relatively clear picture
@@Pottymouth_ Exactly. This was my suspicion as well. People definitely underestimate how much power the Yakuza has within the Japanese police system. It’s so gross. :(
No, I believe that letter to Zhu’s parents was sent by the lady that had access to thallium. Her school mate’s described her as entitled and rude. That’s exactly how that extremely hurtful letter came across. Narcissistic is the word that comes to mind. Most killers that have narcissistic traits cannot stand to let their cleverness go unnoticed. That letter is an example of the very same behaviour. Blaming the victim and shaming her parents. It’s despicable.
Idk if anyone ever noticed this but the way the letter talks about america just proves that it was her roommate considering she move to America after getting married.
@@freethinker1378 Probably because of her connections , but even without them, it's circumstantial evidence. They can't definitively say it was Zhu who sent it, they can't even prove it was sent by someone connected to the case at all
@@freethinker1378china is a very corrupt country full of basically nepotism, if you have enough fanily connections you can basically get away with anything and considering her family was part of the government or something like that then yeah shes most probably the culprit and just basically got away with it because of connections
Zhu's story is so sad. To go from being perfectly healthy to losing every function in your body must have been awful. And the doctors not listening to her parents... Who knows how much that time without diagnosis would have matterend for her recovery (or lack thereof). And the other girl doesnt change her name and dob (never knew you can change that legally) if she's perfectly innocent. A sad case all around
In most cases the faster patient get antidote to poison the higher the chances of both surviving poisoning and getting out without really big injuries. For sure if family didn't look for information on the internet and didn't get help, Zhu would die and maybe, just MAYBE if family wished to do autopsy they would discover that she got poisoned. And Sun probably did this because there are just too many coincidences, she could get thallium, could easily poison every day items in their room that Zhu was using and the moment Zhu fall in coma in hospital Sun could easily get rid off poisoned items in room to make sure that if police would start investigating they would find nothing.
It is a terribly sad case, and there is a good chance the letter came from the poisoner. Lazy is thinking rationally in saying they surely wouldn't want to incriminate themselves, and in such an obvious way, but the way she's described, I think there is a possibility Sun is a narcissist and if so, it would fit that she is the prime suspect. As such, 'normal' doesn't apply. She has a sense of entitlement, lack of boundary recognition if she's going though personal things, lack of accountability in continuing the attack and through her family connections, and a total lack of empathy after seeing what happened to Zhu. When it comes to the letter all those years later, the victim is painted black by some third party, but narcissists have no difficulty in pretending to be someone else and will see nothing wrong with their behaviour. The narcissist never forgets. Zhu was a rival, beat her in an election, was better liked, and that made her a target.
I agree it has all the hallmarks of being written by a narcissistic and entitled person, it’s an attempted mechanism of control and Sun fits that profile perfectly. Plenty of Chinese immigrated to the US and regardless, her desire to try and regain control of the situation would’ve made it too tempting for her to resist sending it. That’s my thought.
That letter sent to Zhu Ling's parents is infuriating, Sounds like whoever wrote it couldn't keep up with Zhu Ling and was inadequate with their own accomplishments that they had to resort to doing terrible things to others.
If u think that was a real letter that someone sent to the parents ur gullible as shit. Lol literally saying she deserved it for being mean but yet being a piece of shit themselves.
To say nothing of the obliviousness of suggesting the parents "teach her how to contribute to society" when she has the mental capacity of a 6 YEAR OLD.
That person tried so hard to paint Zhu Ling as a bad person just for losing some sleep thanks to her, but they only managed to leave themselves in even a worse place: who in their right mind would poison someone over some sleepless nights? God if they reacted *that* badly over something so silly I would be really afraid to be near them, imagine what they could do over the tiniest thing.
@Sven the Almighty it's like they basically let murder go around. Until they keep doing it. It's so infuriating, are they even being paid? I just don't get the protection behind the first one. Sure they're minors but they're murderers?
Not as bad as america, the amount of times where they brush off something serious because they obviously don’t want to do work will make you want to claw your eyes out.
@@MrYelly Well yeah, when they mishandle cases, you can't blame every single law enforcement officer for the mishandlement of cases they aren't involved in
The first story is absolutely haunting. The realization that even if you have someone else with you, there's still always a chance someone could just see you and decide to end your life and traumatize the one accompanying you forever. No clear motive or anything, they just... felt like ending a life.
I think it almost had to be mistaken identity. I just doubt there’s many that would beat someone completely random with such rage for so long. I know there’s some psychos like that but 4 together seems unlikely enough to assume there was an actual motive.
@@burtonupchurch1690 Given that their apparent leader asked poor Taiki "Are you the leader of Ushiku?" before the assault began, I wonder if that might be the case. But that sure as fuck doesn't excuse what they did...
@@ElFreakinCidTheres not much in this life that would excuse what they did but just trying to make sense of it. No motive and just randomness with such ferocity and 4 perps would be very strange but not impossible.
I'd say they totally mistaking taike for some gang leader. It happens. It happened to a relative of mine, cops mistaking my relative for some drug lord 😮💨 🙄
Zhu case infuriated me. They got what they wanted and felt absolutely no remorse. Even thought they were in the right this whole time. "We killed her because we don't like her because that's the appropriate response when we don't like someone. We took her life coz she was hurting our feelings uwu" I'll agree that karma is real. So I hope karma bites their asses as hard and as ruthless and in the most twisted ways.
wow. that letter in the zhuling case was infuriating. "The fact that I hit you is your fault because you made me so mad that I hit you." Talk about gaslighting
Seriously the fact that the person who wrote said letter to Zhu’s parents had to “justify” their reasoning for POISONING and permanently damaging their girl’s life is pure evil and disgusting. Seriously I had to pause at every bit cause it just kept getting me angrier the more and more BS I heard.
@@SPRX77 I agree. They're all cowards, they know what they did was wrong and at this point, i don't believe them. I do not believe that this girl was being that loud. They're just making up excuses for ruining someone's life because they were probably jealous of her.
@@bryn1063 I think the same as you. They were just trying to find any reason to justify what they did. The explanation they gave was total bullshit. Zhu would have had to be throwing early morning raves in her room on the daily to even come close to the amount of disruption they were describing. It's all excuses
Right? They say nothing about trying to talk to her about it like a rational human being or anything. If that doesn't work, then keep her ass up for a few days and ask her if she's enjoying herself. I don't buy that they didn't know what would happen
@@JK-gm6kk Especially since it's not like they poisoned her once and she died unexpectedly and they panicked. They did this continuously for months and escalated to poisoning food when she didn't get sick enough from poison soap and such.
@@JK-gm6kk we had to deal with noisy neighboors at night the same way, we just kept them up in mornings and cut their electricity at night (ik it's illegal but we had to) but we never thought about poisning them that's just rediculous !
@@JK-gm6kk not that they were in the right for poisoning her obviously, but the letter did say she didn't listen to reason and didnt care about other people's feelings, and did it for a long time (over 2 years I think?), so for sure they tried talking to her, and it would have to take a lot for 3 people to get together and decide to poison their roomate. If that letter is legit, then I believe the girl was definitely a bitch. Obviously doesn't deserve what happened to her, but just because she had a terribly unjust thing done to her, doesn't mean she was great herself, of course her family etc are going to make her out to be a saint, but what would they know about her life in the dorm room and how she really was with her roomates, she must have really pissed them off, unless there were literally 3 psychopaths that happened to share a dorm together. For what its worth they did say they didn't mean for all that to happen to her, just make her sick, and obviously they have to keep quiet now that she got fucked up badly, so to me the story checks out, the girl was a menace, her roomates decided to 'teach her a lesson', it got way out of hand and I guess at least one of them is a fucking psychopath to send that letter
@@Rujewitblood Sending the letter was psychopathic? No, they all are psychopaths. Anyone who messes with another person's bodily autonomy and agency is. The damage done to her didn't happen overnight and would have been physically noticeable, and yet they didn't stop.
The voice of the letter in Zhu's case matches the description of her friend/rival "unconcerned with the problems of others." Note how she acts like her parents can still teach their daughter to do public service and better herself, despite all the mental damage done. Unconcerned to the problems of others to a manic degree it seems.
Both of these cases are horrific. However, Zhu Ling's case is particularly haunting. To methodically, meticulously, brutally and slowly murder someone by poisoning them and watching them slowly suffer horrifically until they die (or even live but have horribly disabling lives) is a whole new level of evil. And to see multiple people participating in, or knowing about, this crime without saying anything is particularly evil and unsettling. I feel so terrible for Zhu Ling's parents. You know that they have to worry about what will happen to her when they both pass away. 😢 Bless Zhu Ling and her parents. ❤
The roommate checked out a book on thallium? Changed her name and birthdate. And Zhu had beat Sun in an election, and they were known rivals? Not enough for a courtroom but it is pretty damning considering Sun had access to Zhu’s personal belongings and thallium. And that letter was so disrespectful, imagine how the parents felt reading that? Esp since China’s culture is more collective than the West, so being rude to your dorm mates would be much more shameful than it would be in the US or UK. Disturbing sleep doesn’t justify poisoning. And why the heck would you use thallium if you only wanted to incapacitate her enough to make her repeat the year?
She had access to thallium, so presumably was involved in a field of research wherein checking out a book on thallium would be non-suspicious (never mind that there was no mention of interviewing any other people who might have checked out the same book). If someone gets hit by a car, should we arrest their roommate because they're an automotive engineer? Changing name and date of birth would be entirely reasonable if they were innocent and being targeted and wanted that to stop. And if China is so collectivist, wouldn't winning an election help her, not harm her? When reviewing historical accounts, it's always a huge red flag when a story emerges long after it's claimed source (like how the story of Lady Godiva first appeared centuries after her death). All the details mentioned here are just creating a linear, dark narrative targeted at a person that's most likely innocent and even claim A4 paper is uncommon in the US when it's literally common printing paper. As was said in this very video, supposedly many people there could have had access to thallium at that university.
@@XxKilleredxX only 8 people at the university had access to thallium. Add that with everything else and yeah, it doesn’t look good for Sun. She had access to both thallium and Zhu and she had a motive. Moving to a different country and changing your name makes it look even worse
Case 1- I'm surprised law enforcement didn't make an exception to the rule, considering they did so in the past. The way they went about things make me think they were trying to protect the suspects for reasons not tied to their age. Entire thing feels like a cover up. Case 2- I wonder if the older sister's death was really an accident. Both siblings came to bad ends while at the university. The letter feels like a weak excuse to justify the criminal's actions and makes the dormmate look like the culprit.
Yeah, case 1 definitely felt fishy to me. The fact that the police did virtually nothing to help solve the case makes me feel a third party was involved. Perhaps the perps were involved in some high level gang that had connections with political figures
yeah, feels weird to have BOTH of them have..... incidents. Also that letter.... I think it's real, but lies. Lies that hint at the truth though. The girl identified as a suspect... was perhaps ringleader with 2 accomplices. The letter, at least as Lazy related it's contents, made allusions to "respect" and proper manners.... maybe this was talking about the rivalry between her and the suspect? She refused to let the others "rest" and forced them to actually work for their honors.
case 1 especially since they only suspected they were under 18, they didn't know for sure....that's some pretty weak reasoning to let hose 4 get away with what they did.
Case 2 def has me wondering how she "accidentally" fell off a cliff. I have to also wonder how long it was before someone else noticed her missing and if any others who knew just told them "don't worry she's with another group" or some such to slow down the report. I doubt there was even an autopsy, which could have determined if she may have been dead before landing there, or even survived the fall but died later.
Over my headphones and during that intro, I heard my sister's children talking while they were walking through the hall. Hearing their barely audible, indistinguishable children's voices during that first 15 seconds was another level of creepy.
Everything I’ve heard about japan and it’s “low crime rate” really just seems to stem from the police not actively investigating anything. They seem to look for any excuse to go for the juvenile laws or push prefecture bs.
Japan has a low crime rate, that has nothing to do with police being incompetent though. Even if they don't continue investigations or do a poor job at solving cases, they still have to report them.
@@semoremo9548 ; you seem to have a very naive pov on japan's crime rates. they are artifically deflated for a myriad of reasons and police incompetence/inaction is definitely one of them. it happens anywhere in the world where ppl report to the police but then the *police* don't actually make the report themselves out of apathy. and police incompetence is really just one part of the whole messed up judicial system. japan needs to do better at protecting their vulnerable citizens like women and the disabled and prioritize getting justice for victims over perpetrators.
@@milannoelle1576 Maybe I do, who knows. I don't claim to be an expert or anything like that. What I was trying to explain in my comment was that Japan does have a lower crime rate compared to other countries, whether or not the police are incompetent in solving the cases. Now, whether they end up not reporting the cases themselves, I do not know that, but I think my original point still makes sense.
That second case makes me so angry. Go to the dorm authorities if she's bothering you this much??? If these girls had such powerful parents and families they probably could have gotten her to stop. Not to mention they would have known what happened to her older sister, so recklessly poisoning her was a complete act of malice. That is, if that letter is telling the truth, and i call bs. That story is too farfetched and outlandish. I've had shit roommates, who played music at the ass Crack of dawn and I still wouldn't ever get it into my head to poison them with one of the most toxic poisons known to human kind.
Yeah, I have a roommate that plays video games until 2 or 3 in the morning, this wouldn’t be a problem but every time she gets on she screams and yells. I despise her but killing her has never even crossed my mind
Yeah, not to mention that the letter mentioned "wanting her to repeat a year", which in no way guarantees sleep for the dorm mates, quite the opposite, they'd be stuck with her for longer. Definitely just revenge, if that letter is even to be believed.
Exactly, being as powerful as she is, she could have easily gotten her expelled or something, or literally just changed dorms. Sounds like pure jealousy. Wanting her to repeat a year does show a motive, if it's not a true sentiment - that way they won't have to compete with her and lose.
Lazy, my friend, this is the way to go. Not many can provide insight on cases with no English translations so this is a type of content that is in demand. Many of us already know most of the english cases because they get covered on multiple channels quite frequently. But this is awsome sir, thanks for your hard work.
If you like true crime from Asian countries check out The Casual Criminalist, he has many different writers world over doing the research for him and one is Asian, I think Hong Kong? Who speaks the languages of the crimes he writes on along with English and goes and pulls up primary sources and even contacts the police data guys for info and files straight from the source. He's done a lot of cases that I've never heard of and the ones that I had heard of he went into so much more depth and better detail it was like hearing a new case practically.
While both cases were sad, it was for me instead the first story that got to me because of the incomprehensible, brutal violence against a total stranger, and because Taiki died whereas Zhu survived. Plus his mother in vain trying for years to make the authorities care. :(
It's crazy to me how I'm not a doctor and yet as soon as I heard that last girl's symptoms, I immediately knew it was heavy metal poisoning... Maybe I watch too many true crime shows. 😅
Right? The first symptoms were listed, and I was thinking 'It's arsenic.' More symptoms, and I thought, 'No wait, thallium!' Definitely too much true crime here too!
@@hannahbul Agreed. I feel like presenting any kind of even semi-common ailments associated with poison should lead to a test for possible exposure, even if it's just a passive exposure.
it was just yesterday when i listened to a video about the teacup poisoner, so when they mentioned stomach cramps i was immediately hit by deja vu and realised that it is actually thallium poisoning!
They didn't know the ages and with such a violent crime they should have shared the images. The police who protected them should be held accountable for aiding them.
if she did , during early police investigation someone would have mentioned it . If that anonymous letter is the only source of accusation, I suspect it is not credible .
Right? Have these people never heard of earplugs? Idk why they were expecting silence when they went off to college and lived in a dorm with a bunch of other college kids. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me.
I'm guessing they were the only one kept awake by her and it was more because they were following her around. Such awful victim blaming in that fuckin' letter, eugh.
@Penguin Economics The letter mentions a *specific* legal case where the defendant's entire defense-argument was that they murdered their roommate explicitly out of duress from literal sleep-depravation. The letter goes so far as to state that this specific legal case shows that Zhu's dormmates could have admitted everything on Day 1 and even if Zhu died they would have been found 'Not Guilty' for the same reason the person in the specifically mentioned legal case was found to be innocent. None of that, not a single word discussing the US court case, is applicable to their poisoning Zhu if we're interpreting their claims to be metaphorical/non-literal in any way.
Logically, Sun wouldn’t be the one to send the letter because, as you said, it would just incriminate her more - however, I actually do think it’s Sun. Writing the letter seems to be more of an emotional response - possibly of the comments she was getting after breaking her silence and mentioning she was cleared and had no motive (with statements made afterwards that said otherwise). So she would proceed to write the letter to Zhu’s parents somehow thinking that guilt-tripping them with (very flimsy) justifications would result in them possibly requesting people to move on. The wording suggesting the writer wasn’t involved really doesn’t mean anything - psychologically, wording things the way as a “witness” could be a way to further deflect blame; that is, “just in case” law enforcement traced the letter back to its origin and, say it was Sun, she could tell them, “Yeah I wrote the letter, but I only knew of it and wasn’t involved,” in which case the letter references in precisely that way. It could also very well be her significant other. Either way, we’d likely never find out - that’s assuming it wasn’t a hoax in the first place. As a final note about how stupid it would be to write the letter in the first place - I think you’ve covered more than a handful of cases where the criminal wasn’t very intelligent.
I'm inclined to suspect the dorm mate was the one who poisoned Zhu and had her family cover it up for her. That could even explain the incompetence of the doctors, being paid off or threatened to "overlook" the poisoning until it was made far too obvious that was what was happening. I also think the dorm mate wrote that letter. Why would she draw attention to herself? That's honestly something pretty easy to explain -- based on what was said about her (she was a sore loser, she resented Zhu beating her academically, she had family who may have been protecting her from legal consequences of her actions, etc.) she sounds like the sort of narcissist who unfortunately seems to pop up in a lot of true crime. The sort who think they're the smartest person in the room and are not happy at all when told otherwise. If she was jealous of Zhu, there's a good chance it infuriated her to see the case being revived and everyone's sympathies being towards the victim. Yes, one would think it's obvious any decent person would react that way, but... well, let's just say it's not hard to find criminals who clearly believe "Sure that terrible stuff happened, but why doesn't anyone consider they had it coming and I'm the wronged party?" I suspect the dorm mate sent the letter to Zhu's parents in some misguided belief they would be swayed to tell everyone their horribly poisoned and injured daughter was the one really at fault. The letter specifically expresses anger that all these people were describing Zhu as admirable, which is a pretty common way a lot of people are remembered after tragic circumstances (they were bright, they were well-loved, they had a good future ahead of them, etc.) But the writer seems to take it personally that people think highly of Zhu's accomplishments, something that would fit with the view of a petty academic rival. Finally, the letter keeps insisting Zhu "kept her roommates from sleeping" and clearly treats this as a crime worthy of being poisoned. My thought is that the dorm mate somehow self-rationalized that Zhu was somehow sabotaging the dorm mate's sleep to beat her in school and used that to justify what she did, forgetting how insane that sounds to anyone else. I would like to stress that THIS IS ALL SPECULATION ON MY PART. I'm not party to any of this, it's just my own conclusions based on the information in the video and patterns I observed in similar cases. I also know it doesn't matter terribly at the end of the day, since Zhu was still poisoned and hurt so badly. I just couldn't help but see those connections in the details, though.
Sun Wei did it. There are perps who like to torment their victims and she comes as someone narcissist. The fact her family is prominent gave her the entitlement to do whatever she wanted. Also, since she's narcissist, hearing about the case years later and how people said good things bout the victim, made her angry and that's why she sent the victim-blaming letter. She won't face any charges but maybe "karma" will happen.
That letter 100% reads like her being upset that people are mad at the person who poisoned Zhu, and she just had to let them know that the perpetrator suffered too. Like someone beating their spouse and then playing the victim because now their knuckles hurt.
In the first one, I bet the suspect had connections to Yakuza and the police knew this, and were afraid of retaliation from them, or the Yakuza had the police in their pocket. There is no rational explanation for their inaction aside from that, it is inexcusable misconduct on their part as police
Idk, I would of went to the underground and Yakuza if I was the mother once I found out the Police/Government we’re not going to pursue justice and cooperate, in my mind that’s her highest chance of success (wishful thinking perhaps) option left she had to get closure.
One thing is common in every country, if you belong to a powerful/ influential family then you can get away with anything 🤬 some people are born evil 🤬🤬🤬
That second story absolutely enraged me. I have had more issues with sleep than I care to count, I've been sleep deprived to the point of full blown psychosis, 82 hours in fact. Not once in my life did I ever think to poison another human being in exchange for sleep. Not once. She didn't deserve any of that. I hope her and her family are living peacefully, and I wish them nothing but good fortune for the rest of their lives.
@@owinlaa absolutely, that's it 100%. So so beyond messed up to throw that in the family's face. This act was so cruel and senseless, then to come back years later and say that she deserves it is so evil.
man, as a non-chinese person studying in beijing and living in a dormitory, i get my sleep disturbed almost every night, never have i thought about poisoning my neighbors 😭😭😭 (but damn do i wish i could slap them sometimes lol)
In the second case, if she disturbed other residents from sleeping in her dormitory , most likely dorm residents had complained to dorm management and she would be banned from the dorm . The alleged murder in the letter does not make any sense .
The money Zhu Ling’s family received will not even be enough for a year of her health expenses. It’s so saddening. With the amount of detail and American involvement it was definitely one of her well off classmates
Please tell me you’re joking. 13 is way too fricking young. I think I’m going to be sick. Heck, I don’t even like that 16 is the age of consent in places. It should be 18.
@@imaghost2961 It was only ever technically 13. Prefectures and municipalities used to all have different ones and 13 was the lowest allowed, but most never went below 14 and some went up to 18. As of a couple years ago, Japan has one single age of consent, set at 16 like most of the world. And frankly, 16 is perfectly reasonable. 16 is the earliest age you can apply for a driver's license and get driving lessons at--you're telling me a 16-year-old shouldn't be allowed to have sex with their SO, but you're fine with that same 16-year-old thundering down the highway in a two-ton metal death machine full of highly combustible fuel?
My guess is that the Ushiku Incident involved at least one son of a prominent, wealthy or politically connected person. A random murder where the perpetrators could be easily identified, juvenile or not, just seems like too easy pickings for a justice system that results convictions 99.8% of the time. If someone is charged, it's practically a foregone conclusion that they'll be convicted. And if these four were identified by a first-party witness to a brutal murder, I can't even fathom what else might have given prosecutors pause in having the perpetrators arrested and charged. The story that law enforcement just *assumed* they were *all* juvenile without positively identifying *any* of them, thus keeping the investigation close to the vest is just absurd on the face of it. I can understand the law protects juveniles there, particularly to a much greater extent in terms of keeping their identity secret, but holy crap did that ever hamstring them.
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. No way would the police cover up such a random case unless a third party was involved. Chances are, this so-called gang bribed or possibly blackmailed the police into covering up the truth
That 99% percent is only on those charged who go to trial. The only way to maintain that number is simply to not charge or take to trial anyone you aren't absolutely certain you have dead to rights, or a jury or judge pool who convicts automatically no matter what the evidence is to get darker. If it's the former, then there's sure to be a lot of cases where they're pretty sure of who it was but don't snatch them up because it's not an absolute conviction. In my opinion that's not the ideal setup for a justice system, but that's still the better option than absolute corruption in the second option. Tl;dr that stat sounds great, till you actually think about
I'm firmly in the camp that one or more of Taiki's murderers was the scion of a powerful family, on one side or other of the law. There was more than imcompetence in the police response.
That anonymous letter that the was sent to Zhu’s parents reads as they were speaking SPECIFICALLY of Sun whose privileged status created her character as a human with blatant disregard for others who was the selfish dorm mate that committed these actions. Sun’s family of privileged, political members with every possible power to completely interfere in exposing Sun for Zhu’s horrific and malice poisoning. The blatantly obvious protection of Sun, with her personality and true character, emboldened Sun attempting to killing Zhu. Sun was able to walk away free from any consequences and stole ANY justice for Zhu and how her life was destroyed.
I looked into it a bit more and it turns out Sun's mom WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL Zho was originally placed in, the one that decided against doing the thallium test because they would have had to contact another hospital.
That literally disabled her permanently. Changed how she completely functions in life. Literally destroyed her life. And for what? Something communication would’ve handled in 2 shakes.
That last one infuriates me. All because this person wasn't getting their "beauty sleep", they decide to irreversibly poison this poor girl? Oh, I'm SO sorry that your sleep is more important than a human life. It was definitely Sum who sent that letter and committed the murder (yes, murder, because she is barley alive) I hope she never has a restful sleep for the rest of her miserable life. I hope this video blows up and she finds it. What a disgusting pile of filth. To even have the nerve to send a letter to Zhu's parents like as if her explanation is excusable.
@@Gorborothh To sit there and just start naming "technicalities" instead of grasping how horrible this case is, you're just as awful as the person who committed this act. You're disgusting.
In the Zhu Ling case, i think the letter at the end was sent by the main suspect, and that she is responsible for intentionally supplying the thallium to those who wished Zhu harm. That’s how the writer knew so much yet kept writing in 3rd person. Just my theory.
I don't think you get enough credit for how good you are at using stock footage to enhance your videos. It never feels randomly placed like it does on other channels, it always feels fitting and relevant.
Whenever I see Japanese cases I immediately think of Junko Furuta and the *anger* I feel towards those *pieces of shit* who didn’t get anywhere near the punishment they deserved
I think about their pos mother who basically blames HER for "ruining her son's life", and thinks it's okay to continually desecrate Junko's grave. That bitch deserves every unimaginable horror that could ever happen to a woman, to happen to her.
@@bryn1063 if I remember correctly, she was kept in one of the boy’s houses where their parents also lived? And there were people who visited who saw her there? (And I don’t mean the gang members who came and further abused her.) Every single one of them who were aware of what was going on deserves life sentences in solitary confinement. I don’t really agree with capital punishment on the grounds that it seems like an easy way out for some people who don’t deserve that kindness. They certainly don’t in this case. But the solitary confinement part comes from the fact that I know some of them were gang members so they were probably alright in gen pop in prison. Ugh I hate people.
@@bryn1063 oh and the parents of one of the boys who ruined a memorial for Junko because she’d “ruined their son’s life”? Trash. Life sentence for them too.
@@Clo_Dub I completely agree. Stories like hers just make my blood boil. Especially "ruined her son's life" like what did she do? Get tortured and murdered?
Ya know...first thing that came to MY mind as someone who has studied biochemistry, zhus symptoms immediately made me think of poisoning. She was young and healthy..she had widespread pain and her hair was falling out. WHY those Dr's never thought of poisoning, I have no clue. Not all Dr's graduated with a's...some barely passed medical school, and all those individuals are still walking around with "Dr " titles.
Whenever I start having second thoughts about my degree (biological research) because of my grades my dad reminds me that the doctor who graduated with C's is still called "doctor" (which both helps and makes me nervous about doctors)
It is so sad what happened in both cases and so infuriating how they were dealt with. A group of teens who would beat someone to death, even more without any reason, should definitely be taken off the streets. They were already criminals and likely still are, and the fact police could cover for them is sickening. For the second one, regardless of the crime being committed by a person or group, even if Zhu was disturbing their sleep, which may not even be true, it is so scary to think someone could scheme such a cruel plan to ruin someone's life and get away with it. And what a ridiculous victim-blaming excuse of a letter. This was not someone committing a crime from a sudden rage caused by sleep deprivation. This was not someone trying to make her fail the year. They didn't sabotage her schoolwork or messed with her stuff to scare her. They went through great lengths to continuously poison her. They wanted to kill her and not get caught, blaming it on some sudden undiagnosed illness, and they got away with permanently disabling her and ruining her life. In the first case, it does appear like the police help to cover the case up, either because they knew the perpetrators, their boss, or whatever other reason. In the second, the university may have wanted to cover up how someone used their supplies to commit attempted murder or their property, or maybe the police just dropped the ball very bad. In either way, both intentional and unintentional lack of police effort is sickening and scary they don't care to take those vile people of the streets.
I can't even comprehend those Chinese students they said they did it because of "karma" yet they're crying and asking that they too don't get punished for their own actions, if being "loud" is something that deserves punishment then so does having them in jail, they don't deserve to sleep well.
Both cases are horrible in their own rights and they also seem to share a level of authoritative corruption. How cases like this fail to be solved is beyond understanding and it's unfortunate that all too often we have to hope karma will bring justice for those who have been so senselessly wronged. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. Just a real shame.
I’m 32 years old, and I went to the same university as Zhu, albeit decades after. Her story is a myth/legend at the university, as it happened so long ago. But the story is still known by every female who goes there, probably still to this day.
For context, the university we went to, Tsinghua University is the most prestigious STEM university in China, and ranks as the top engineering university in the world by US News and World Report every year for the last decade plus, beating out MIT and CalTech. The most recent Chinese chairmen (supreme leaders) all attended Tsinghua. The fact that Zhu went there signifies that she had EVERYTHING going for her, and the whole world in front of her. She could have gotten any job and been very successful in her career. I know it doesn’t help, but EVERYONE knows it was her friend/roommate who poisoned her - this is a known fact in the Tsinghua student community, even decades later.
This is my favorite channel bc: 1. His voice 2. The creepy content 3. The creepy music choice 4. The mix of stories, not just one 5. The rarity of the stories & not recycled and heard on every channel. 6. The creepy images and graphics. Anyone have anything to add?
You were my first love on you tube, dude! I think you were my first subscription, I've since found all the bedtimes story's, why file's, mystery history, top fives, unexplained mysteries, point being... There's nothing like your narratives, anywhere! Good ole lazy, you never let me down! Keep on keeping on, my guy! Your top notch.
Me, too. In Agatha Christie’s novel, “The Pale Horse”, thallium was the poison. It actually helped solve a medical mystery of a young girl sick in the hospital and losing her hair.
Wow in both of these cases, those authorities are just as bad as each other. With the first case, it is because of their overly rigid mindset which led to their incompetence and the second case being the government constantly try to disrupt the investigation.
When I heard thallium was put on her contact lenses, I physically recoiled as the realization comes to me. Also it's insane students have access to thallium.
I can totally believe that they payed off the cops to do nothing it makes me sick how they could turn a blind eye like this of course if it was a member of their own family they would have a completely different attitude otherwise they simply don't seem to care
Thanks. Truly terrible crimes, made worse by the authorities. It was my first thought that the police were protecting at least one of the guys who beat that young man. Why else would they wait until the statute of limitations ran out, then suddenly release the info? I know Japan is a different culture, but I find it hard to believe that multiple dorm-mates would conspire to poison someone over a long period of time, never changing their minds & swapping out the items again, just because they 'couldn't sleep'. Horrible. NOTE: A4 paper is widely available here in the U.S., it's just not commonly used in offices, etc. Our standard copier / printer paper has been 8.5 inches x 11 inches for all of my life. But you can easily buy A4 anywhere they sell printer paper (or order it online). Walmart & Staples have it. Thanks again. tavi.
I theorize that the police were paid off to keep the case under wraps. Explains why they didn't want to release any details and why they took down posters
@@Calvados656 This. I'm wondering in OP just didn't realize this wouldn't be a all-Japan episode and missed the part where he said "China", or if this is a "all Asia is the same" type of thing.
@@Calvados656 Acknowledged. But the same argument applies. Why would college students anywhere do this? Why wouldn't they just threaten her in some way? It's crazy no matter who did it or where. tavi.
@@richarddeese1991I will say I had a friend in Russia who told me about how education is super competitive, and they had people in their law classes who would purposely poison others so they would be too sick for exams and would flunk out. Idk if it’s the same in China, but it apparently is a thing some students out there are crazy enough to do.
I really like the animations youve put into your videos here lately!! It's just looks super cool and flows well with the stories your telling. Thank you for all you hard work!!
They could have taken his money without brutally stamping and kicking him to death such brutal savages it never creases to amaze me the brutal savagery that humans are capable of inflicting onto others
Love the new intro! The low-poly graphics remind me of the nostalgic PS1 horror titles. Especially with that mask, it reminds me of Clock Tower 2: The Struggle Within.
Thank you so much for your videos lazy even though true crime is so bad for my mental health and trust issues I still can’t stop watching your videos because they’re truly the best out there in the whole genre (source: trust me bro but this time fr)
Surprised how Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world when the system is so corrupt. I mean, hearing about dozens of similar cases, maybe that "lowest crime rate" doesn't tell the full story..
That’s because they have a nearly 100% conviction rate, if you get accused, especially as a foreigner, you’re almost guaranteed to get convicted. Even if you’re completely innocent. That, and classing obvious crime activity as ‘suicide’ means they have a really low crime rate and really low unsolved crime rate
@@emilybarclay8831 Hell, let's keep in mind that there's literally an entire famous game series centered around a parody of Japan's broken legal system, a system that also ultimately inspired Light Yagami to become Kira.
The thing is When you have a low crime rate, the crimes that happen do tend to stand out more. Like the first story happens aaaall the time here in South Africa. But its so common its... Not shocking. It doesnt have the same impact as it would in Japan
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 but at the same time Lazy had to go digging for these cases with VPNs because of international blocks ? You don't hide news like this unless someone paid you or you don't want people to know about it
I don't think they hid it (well not NOW), it just wasn't publishized in English. He mentions that in passing at the very begining. The Region-Locked in the title is less literal and more a slang term in this case.
I've lived in China for almost 7 years now and this is par for the course here. There is a Chinese expression 'guanxi' which basically means relations. If you have good guanxi, like San's family had, she could have even admitted to doing it, and nothing would have come of it. The CCP cadres her family was affiliated with, would have simply made it go away. The reason why this was most likely blocked, was also because of the CCP's desire te preserve 'he xie' which means social harmony. It really is sad that this happens. Scary thing is that this kind of thing happens more often than not. Like Peng Shuai's case. Or the doctor who first blew the whistle about Covid.
Weirdly, I first learned about guanxi while reading up on this case. Reportedly, after a few months of investigation the police had pretty much dropped it and straight up told her parents they might have more luck using their guanxi to search for closure. I at first assumed that was some kind of private eye or something but, no, the police literally suggested they use family connections to find who almost murdered their child.
Yes, I love learning about events all around the world that people never talks about. It makes me so mad and I give all my sympathies to those that suffers. I've learned that there are wars that's been going on for so long and no one is talking about it. It's so sad
Would you ever cover the story about the Beast of Gévaudan? I don't know why, but for some reason it always freaks me out. Some say it was a wolf, others say it was a freaking Lion that somehow ended up in Europe.
@@AJadedLizard Still, it's bizarre based off old stories though. Yes, i know old tales and whatnot are exaggerated, but these ones are so specific it's just weird to me. They seemed almost systematic. "More attacks were reported across the region. Very soon terror gripped the populace because the beast was repeatedly preying on lone men, women, and children as they tended livestock in the forests around Gévaudan.[4] Reports note that the beast seemed only to target the victim's head or neck regions."
@Dante another African predator that it could have been was a hyena. Most likely explanation was it was either a wolf or wolf dog hybrid suffering from some issue like acromegaly that would cause it to be larger and more aggressive than normal, or a lion or hyena that escaped from a noble's private menagerie that was misidentified by the local peasants that were unfamiliar with African fauna. I lean more towards an irresponsible noble, because France has a storied history of idiot nobles causing mayhem for the peasants, but we'll never know for certain.
@@benjaminsmith3843 The weird thing about this story though is that so many people reported the same thing. Sure, i can believe a lion running away from a circus enclosure, but a hyena as well? Someone I recently discussed this with even claimed it could've been a massive coyote.. I just don't buy a coyote making it up to France.
Actually that's a fairly respectably known legend. In any case, I still think that was a wolfdog hybrid that was used as a guard dog by a nobel, but it wasn't properly trained, if it all, and it got free.
So they killed her because they couldnt sleep? What a bunch of bullshit 😂 people can justify their own actions but in actuality they are feeling guilty themselves and thats why they justify their own actions
happy to find your channel again i use to listen to your stories 4 years ago i lost my old youtube channel and i always remember your videos and voice and wonder what was the name of your channel !? that is how good you are ... thank you for your hard work bro
That letter is so sadistic. It claims Zhu deserved to be Poisoned because she was a bit loud. It claims her dormmates poisoned her in a fit of rage even though this was obviously a premeditated murder. If the killers were temporarily insane due to exhaustion, there were many many easier ways to kill Zhu than poisoning her with a rare poison. The idea that this was all due to lack of sleep is preposterous. I suspect Sun's husband wrote that.
If we're to believe the letter, it says that they didn't actually want to kill Zhu, just to make her sick enough to make her skip a year. So if the perpetrators (because they didn't kill her) were indeed insane from exhaustion, it would explain why they decided upon poison over other methods. Now, why Thallium out of all the other kinds of poison? Since one of them had access to it, it might be because she was researching it or doing some kind of project that would grant her easy access to it without raising suspicions. That might have been why they chose Thallium over a different kind of poison.
@@semoremo9548But they would have then had to continue forward with that plan for months. Heck, after her first trip back from the hospital they should have had some rest and yet within a week of returning to the dorm, symptoms start again. That doesn't seem like a sudden fit of rage from sleep deprivation. Thallium is slow working and in this case was being administered daily through multiple means in small doses. That just doesn't come off as spontaneous/explosive.
@@Gildedmuse I'm not sure if I understood your comment correctly or not. I never said the people who poisoned her weren't doing so consciously and meditatively. I was just pointing out that there is a possibility (maybe not very likely) that Zhu was being disruptive in an intentional way. I was in no way trying to excuse what these girls did to her, though.
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"And besides, no one was killed." But they permanently disabled her and ruined her life! Couldn't they have talked it out with Zhu about her disrupting their sleep?
That was most likely an excuse they used i dount that was their real motive they targeted her because they wanted to and just made up some bs to excuse it
If that was even true, who poisons someone because they are being disruptive? I'm pretty sure there are many things you can do before a complete breakdown that would "justify" murder. Plus, this was not a case of sudden madness. This was cruelly calculated and executed through the course of several weeks.
Aside from that, wouldn't the university have records of those who filled noise complaints and, therefore, have something against Zhu, if that was true? Was it a blatant lie, police neglect to seek those files, the university misplacing the files, neglecting to take them, or helping cover it up? It feels like this should be an easy case to solve if there was proper investigation.
So psychotic, if real.
Bruh I wanna get my hands on whoever wrote that letter fr.
Yeah, clearly written by someone who tries to compensate their guilt.
The letter in the Zhu Ling case made me so pissed, I’ve never been so mad before
The victim blaming and insensitivity is disgusting
Seriously just wanted to crawl through the screen and strangle them. The arrogance and thinking not only was this justified but warranted is sick.
I can tell that that letter writer would be absolutely insufferable to be around IRL. Likely either a Karen or an incel, and a raging narcissist either way.
Considering the main suspect moved to the US makes me even more sure she did it and was trying to blame other people. He entitled attitude could mean she doesn't think she could be caught.
@@RockinTheBassGuitar This, exactly.
Me too! I was yelling at my phone listening to that garbage!
“We poisoned her because she was annoying, and we were too cowardly to confront her about it”
I summed up the letter
Well done
It could have been a third party
Even if we don't know who they are (and assuming the letter is true), they seem to think they were justified. So I'm of the view that they should at the very least be shamed whenever possible so maybe, on the off chance one of them sees something relating to the case again, they know that people are not and would not be on their side.
I have to agree
I wish they would have elaborated on how exactly 1 girl allegedly kept up a whole dorm for 2 years. Was she having dance parties every night? It just doesn't make any sense.
The type of person who would slowly poison someone purely out of jealousy is _exactly_ the type of person who would be so bothered and consumed by their victim's positive public perception that they would send a potentially incriminating letter without regard to the personal risk.
Clever insight. I agree.
Makes sense
My thoughts exactly. Even before Lazy revelead the way she was poisoned this story reeked of someone being jealous to me.
She was being described as so perfect and such a bright shining star.
And then the way she got poisoned, "definitely a jealous fellow female classmate " I thought.
Plus if someone were to steal her hygiene products and return them poisoned, in a dorm, they would need some observation to make sure they poison the right person.
And then there's the rivalry.
But the letter really seared it in, it reeks of jealousy, so desperatly trying to call the victim out and is full of projection (the part about sun being unconcerned for others).
The psychotic rant about disturbed sleep is also a hint, it would need to be someone sleeping close to her at night to be disturbed.
I bet she must've felt insecure that Zhu would stay up late to study, so "inconvenient" for her.
Sun had also already given way to this need to be liked by people when she broke the silence to post online.
It all fits perfectly, maybe too perfectly.
But at the very least, if it's not directly Sun, I'm convinced she gave that Thalium knowing its purpose was to harm Zhu.
Zhu couldn’t have been that horrible of a person if she had so many classmates trying to find a cure for her.
We'll never know. Some people are really nice to some, and really nasty to others for some reason.
@@semoremo9548 Yeah, look, something tells me the obvious narcissist with access to thallum who fled the country and changed her name before she was ever even charged or tried (and who VERY obviously sent that awful letter to Zhu's parents about how she deserved this for being such a nuissance to her amazing, beautiful, perfect roommate) isn't the most reliable source.
@@semoremo9548Even if she was horrible she didn’t deserve that. Those fools could of reported her or talked it out with her. This excuse their making sounds like a lie to make themselves feel better about the crime they’ve done. Most likely even a lie that it was more people involved.
It also said that the implied culprit, her roommate and rival who is now fled to US under new name is a terrible person at school
@@evantambolang3052 Chances are this woman who fled was some sort of malignant narcissist. Upon hearing that the information about her was now being made publicly accessible back in China, she concocted the group and sent this letter to, in her mind, exonerate herself to make herself feel better and assuage whatever people in China may have been on her side or unsure of a culprit in the case. Having gone so far as to poison her to win a college rivalry, it doesn't seem like a stretch that she'd attempt to play the victim.
the incompetence of the officials in these cases is always infuriating
edit: i chose 'officials' vs police to include the doctors in the poisoning case, but yeah i agree that the cops were absolutely vile in both
And doctors.
You know when yakuza is involved no one really gets caught
Incompetence is highly improbable. Malice is a better fit to the available information.
Incompetent? That first story is criminally negligent. Those police belong in jail.
True, but then, we wouldn't be hearing about it in this format if they weren't....
Taike is a hero for protecting his girlfriend. I hope his girlfriend is doing okay. Zhu’s classmates are hero’s as well for trying to look for cures for her.
Who is Zulu?
*Zhu
He didn’t protect her from anything. From the sound of it, they were after him. If they really were after the girlfriend, they would’ve done something to her once he was out.
@@MrYelly Zhu. My iPhone autocorrected it.
They shldnt hv left with the gang to a remote spot. Never go to a second location with the aggressor it will dramatically lower your chance of survival. Honestly, scream and kick and scratch and bite (anything, use your body as much as you can on the spot might scare away the aggressor or draw attention from others -- you have a higher chance surviving than not doing anything. Going to 2nd location is big no no.
The first story made me so f-ing angry cause kids from my school did the same thing to a homeless man and did not get punished even tho they "got caught".
Grrr 👿😖😳😖 that's horrible 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@lorettascott5477 so true. It was a group of kids 13-15 and the oldest one got a few months in juvenile detention. But that was "normal" in my school. Like 2 years before I went to that school , a girl set another girl on fire cause she was jealous of her hair. It was pure hell for me cause I was one of the good kids there. Oh and the IT teacher was a pedo, everyone knew, and I still had to spend a few classes a week with him, one on one. Horrible school.
@@ahumanbeing4 jesus, i hope you came out okay cause that is a horrible environment for a minor to grow up in
that is reprehensible 😮
@@avelynn5976 Permanent knee injury and some trauma but mostly ok. Thank you for asking. Thankfully most people didn't bother me cause they knew that I was "different" (autistic).
Japan seems to have a thing for protecting the criminals more than the victims/their families.
A lot of countries seem to.. it’s absolutely disgusting.
Look at America now
America… it’s a funny thing, some times they can hunt down a person from a five year olds drawing, but they can also spend years finding someone from a relatively clear picture
Those kids are 100% related to Yakuza. It’s the only explanation to why the police wouldn’t investigate properly.
@@Pottymouth_ Exactly. This was my suspicion as well. People definitely underestimate how much power the Yakuza has within the Japanese police system. It’s so gross. :(
No, I believe that letter to Zhu’s parents was sent by the lady that had access to thallium. Her school mate’s described her as entitled and rude. That’s exactly how that extremely hurtful letter came across. Narcissistic is the word that comes to mind. Most killers that have narcissistic traits cannot stand to let their cleverness go unnoticed. That letter is an example of the very same behaviour. Blaming the victim and shaming her parents. It’s despicable.
Idk if anyone ever noticed this but the way the letter talks about america just proves that it was her roommate considering she move to America after getting married.
Not to mention, the extreme hypocrisy. The irony. The backwardness in their sense of reasoning.
@@Voidinfinitum0 I can’t understand how authorities ignored most pieces of obvious evidence..?
@@freethinker1378 Probably because of her connections , but even without them, it's circumstantial evidence. They can't definitively say it was Zhu who sent it, they can't even prove it was sent by someone connected to the case at all
@@freethinker1378china is a very corrupt country full of basically nepotism, if you have enough fanily connections you can basically get away with anything and considering her family was part of the government or something like that then yeah shes most probably the culprit and just basically got away with it because of connections
Zhu's story is so sad. To go from being perfectly healthy to losing every function in your body must have been awful. And the doctors not listening to her parents... Who knows how much that time without diagnosis would have matterend for her recovery (or lack thereof). And the other girl doesnt change her name and dob (never knew you can change that legally) if she's perfectly innocent. A sad case all around
The doctors should be fired and locked up for their shear stupidity. Same with Sun Wei.
In most cases the faster patient get antidote to poison the higher the chances of both surviving poisoning and getting out without really big injuries. For sure if family didn't look for information on the internet and didn't get help, Zhu would die and maybe, just MAYBE if family wished to do autopsy they would discover that she got poisoned. And Sun probably did this because there are just too many coincidences, she could get thallium, could easily poison every day items in their room that Zhu was using and the moment Zhu fall in coma in hospital Sun could easily get rid off poisoned items in room to make sure that if police would start investigating they would find nothing.
It is a terribly sad case, and there is a good chance the letter came from the poisoner.
Lazy is thinking rationally in saying they surely wouldn't want to incriminate themselves, and in such an obvious way, but the way she's described, I think there is a possibility Sun is a narcissist and if so, it would fit that she is the prime suspect. As such, 'normal' doesn't apply.
She has a sense of entitlement, lack of boundary recognition if she's going though personal things, lack of accountability in continuing the attack and through her family connections, and a total lack of empathy after seeing what happened to Zhu.
When it comes to the letter all those years later, the victim is painted black by some third party, but narcissists have no difficulty in pretending to be someone else and will see nothing wrong with their behaviour. The narcissist never forgets.
Zhu was a rival, beat her in an election, was better liked, and that made her a target.
@@rossbaber-yd4fq this exactly. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I agree it has all the hallmarks of being written by a narcissistic and entitled person, it’s an attempted mechanism of control and Sun fits that profile perfectly. Plenty of Chinese immigrated to the US and regardless, her desire to try and regain control of the situation would’ve made it too tempting for her to resist sending it. That’s my thought.
That letter sent to Zhu Ling's parents is infuriating, Sounds like whoever wrote it couldn't keep up with Zhu Ling and was inadequate with their own accomplishments that they had to resort to doing terrible things to others.
If u think that was a real letter that someone sent to the parents ur gullible as shit. Lol literally saying she deserved it for being mean but yet being a piece of shit themselves.
To say nothing of the obliviousness of suggesting the parents "teach her how to contribute to society" when she has the mental capacity of a 6 YEAR OLD.
I know right! It’s so horrific, how could you do that to someone, just for keeping you up?
That person tried so hard to paint Zhu Ling as a bad person just for losing some sleep thanks to her, but they only managed to leave themselves in even a worse place: who in their right mind would poison someone over some sleepless nights? God if they reacted *that* badly over something so silly I would be really afraid to be near them, imagine what they could do over the tiniest thing.
Yes, especially since given the implications, you'd think this person destroyed her life because the poor girl snores or something!
The Japanese legal system / law enforcement is so infuriating sometimes..
fr man, seems like they like to hang back and do nothing
@Sven the Almighty it's like they basically let murder go around. Until they keep doing it. It's so infuriating, are they even being paid? I just don't get the protection behind the first one. Sure they're minors but they're murderers?
Not as bad as america, the amount of times where they brush off something serious because they obviously don’t want to do work will make you want to claw your eyes out.
Only sometimes...?
@@MrYelly Well yeah, when they mishandle cases, you can't blame every single law enforcement officer for the mishandlement of cases they aren't involved in
The first story is absolutely haunting. The realization that even if you have someone else with you, there's still always a chance someone could just see you and decide to end your life and traumatize the one accompanying you forever. No clear motive or anything, they just... felt like ending a life.
I think it almost had to be mistaken identity. I just doubt there’s many that would beat someone completely random with such rage for so long. I know there’s some psychos like that but 4 together seems unlikely enough to assume there was an actual motive.
@@burtonupchurch1690 Given that their apparent leader asked poor Taiki "Are you the leader of Ushiku?" before the assault began, I wonder if that might be the case. But that sure as fuck doesn't excuse what they did...
@@ElFreakinCidTheres not much in this life that would excuse what they did but just trying to make sense of it. No motive and just randomness with such ferocity and 4 perps would be very strange but not impossible.
I'd say they totally mistaking taike for some gang leader. It happens. It happened to a relative of mine, cops mistaking my relative for some drug lord 😮💨 🙄
Zhu case infuriated me. They got what they wanted and felt absolutely no remorse. Even thought they were in the right this whole time. "We killed her because we don't like her because that's the appropriate response when we don't like someone. We took her life coz she was hurting our feelings uwu"
I'll agree that karma is real. So I hope karma bites their asses as hard and as ruthless and in the most twisted ways.
wow. that letter in the zhuling case was infuriating. "The fact that I hit you is your fault because you made me so mad that I hit you." Talk about gaslighting
Seriously the fact that the person who wrote said letter to Zhu’s parents had to “justify” their reasoning for POISONING and permanently damaging their girl’s life is pure evil and disgusting. Seriously I had to pause at every bit cause it just kept getting me angrier the more and more BS I heard.
@@SPRX77 I agree. They're all cowards, they know what they did was wrong and at this point, i don't believe them. I do not believe that this girl was being that loud. They're just making up excuses for ruining someone's life because they were probably jealous of her.
I think k it was written by her American husband
That's not what gaslighting means why does everyone keep using that word wrong
Doesn't matter though the letter is still horrendously messed up
@@bryn1063 I think the same as you. They were just trying to find any reason to justify what they did. The explanation they gave was total bullshit. Zhu would have had to be throwing early morning raves in her room on the daily to even come close to the amount of disruption they were describing. It's all excuses
I feel like there are less elaborate ways to punish a roommate for bad behavior than poisoning by thallium. That's just vicious
Right? They say nothing about trying to talk to her about it like a rational human being or anything. If that doesn't work, then keep her ass up for a few days and ask her if she's enjoying herself. I don't buy that they didn't know what would happen
@@JK-gm6kk Especially since it's not like they poisoned her once and she died unexpectedly and they panicked. They did this continuously for months and escalated to poisoning food when she didn't get sick enough from poison soap and such.
@@JK-gm6kk we had to deal with noisy neighboors at night the same way, we just kept them up in mornings and cut their electricity at night (ik it's illegal but we had to) but we never thought about poisning them that's just rediculous !
@@JK-gm6kk not that they were in the right for poisoning her obviously, but the letter did say she didn't listen to reason and didnt care about other people's feelings, and did it for a long time (over 2 years I think?), so for sure they tried talking to her, and it would have to take a lot for 3 people to get together and decide to poison their roomate. If that letter is legit, then I believe the girl was definitely a bitch. Obviously doesn't deserve what happened to her, but just because she had a terribly unjust thing done to her, doesn't mean she was great herself, of course her family etc are going to make her out to be a saint, but what would they know about her life in the dorm room and how she really was with her roomates, she must have really pissed them off, unless there were literally 3 psychopaths that happened to share a dorm together. For what its worth they did say they didn't mean for all that to happen to her, just make her sick, and obviously they have to keep quiet now that she got fucked up badly, so to me the story checks out, the girl was a menace, her roomates decided to 'teach her a lesson', it got way out of hand and I guess at least one of them is a fucking psychopath to send that letter
@@Rujewitblood Sending the letter was psychopathic? No, they all are psychopaths. Anyone who messes with another person's bodily autonomy and agency is.
The damage done to her didn't happen overnight and would have been physically noticeable, and yet they didn't stop.
The voice of the letter in Zhu's case matches the description of her friend/rival "unconcerned with the problems of others." Note how she acts like her parents can still teach their daughter to do public service and better herself, despite all the mental damage done. Unconcerned to the problems of others to a manic degree it seems.
She moved to the US too. The letter mentioned a similar case which was from the US. The sender also wrote "HERE, in the US". Hmmm
Yes i agree. Its obvious that was her word in that letter. It piss me off that a monster like that protected by her families money
The voice is Lazy though....
@@killinglonliness88 I don't think the mean the person narrating. They mean the tone and way the writer wrote the letter. Voice has multiple meanings.
Yeah, sounds like the original suspect trying to justify her actions in a covert way.
In the first Japanese case, it stinks of total corruption.
The personal bitterness in that letter makes me think it was totally that roommate. Seething with petty jealousy all those years later
Both of these cases are horrific.
However, Zhu Ling's case is particularly haunting.
To methodically, meticulously, brutally and slowly murder someone by poisoning them and watching them slowly suffer horrifically until they die (or even live but have horribly disabling lives) is a whole new level of evil.
And to see multiple people participating in, or knowing about, this crime without saying anything is particularly evil and unsettling.
I feel so terrible for Zhu Ling's parents. You know that they have to worry about what will happen to her when they both pass away. 😢
Bless Zhu Ling and her parents. ❤
The roommate checked out a book on thallium? Changed her name and birthdate. And Zhu had beat Sun in an election, and they were known rivals? Not enough for a courtroom but it is pretty damning considering Sun had access to Zhu’s personal belongings and thallium.
And that letter was so disrespectful, imagine how the parents felt reading that? Esp since China’s culture is more collective than the West, so being rude to your dorm mates would be much more shameful than it would be in the US or UK. Disturbing sleep doesn’t justify poisoning. And why the heck would you use thallium if you only wanted to incapacitate her enough to make her repeat the year?
Yup, definitely entitled. Hope karma catches up to them and bites them in the ass in the most brutal, humiliating, and devastating way imaginable.
That whole letter felt like the projections of a narcissist, which only makes me think Sun wrote it herself.
Definitely sounds like the narcissistic, entitled murderer, if it was Sun or someone else, could have been a troll too I suppose.
She had access to thallium, so presumably was involved in a field of research wherein checking out a book on thallium would be non-suspicious (never mind that there was no mention of interviewing any other people who might have checked out the same book). If someone gets hit by a car, should we arrest their roommate because they're an automotive engineer? Changing name and date of birth would be entirely reasonable if they were innocent and being targeted and wanted that to stop. And if China is so collectivist, wouldn't winning an election help her, not harm her? When reviewing historical accounts, it's always a huge red flag when a story emerges long after it's claimed source (like how the story of Lady Godiva first appeared centuries after her death). All the details mentioned here are just creating a linear, dark narrative targeted at a person that's most likely innocent and even claim A4 paper is uncommon in the US when it's literally common printing paper. As was said in this very video, supposedly many people there could have had access to thallium at that university.
@@XxKilleredxX only 8 people at the university had access to thallium. Add that with everything else and yeah, it doesn’t look good for Sun. She had access to both thallium and Zhu and she had a motive. Moving to a different country and changing your name makes it look even worse
Case 1- I'm surprised law enforcement didn't make an exception to the rule, considering they did so in the past. The way they went about things make me think they were trying to protect the suspects for reasons not tied to their age. Entire thing feels like a cover up.
Case 2- I wonder if the older sister's death was really an accident. Both siblings came to bad ends while at the university. The letter feels like a weak excuse to justify the criminal's actions and makes the dormmate look like the culprit.
Yeah, case 1 definitely felt fishy to me. The fact that the police did virtually nothing to help solve the case makes me feel a third party was involved.
Perhaps the perps were involved in some high level gang that had connections with political figures
CASE 1 I suspect the police KNEW who the boys were. I really believe the killers were known and the police intentionally allowed him to escape.
yeah, feels weird to have BOTH of them have..... incidents.
Also that letter.... I think it's real, but lies. Lies that hint at the truth though. The girl identified as a suspect... was perhaps ringleader with 2 accomplices. The letter, at least as Lazy related it's contents, made allusions to "respect" and proper manners.... maybe this was talking about the rivalry between her and the suspect? She refused to let the others "rest" and forced them to actually work for their honors.
case 1 especially since they only suspected they were under 18, they didn't know for sure....that's some pretty weak reasoning to let hose 4 get away with what they did.
Case 2 def has me wondering how she "accidentally" fell off a cliff. I have to also wonder how long it was before someone else noticed her missing and if any others who knew just told them "don't worry she's with another group" or some such to slow down the report. I doubt there was even an autopsy, which could have determined if she may have been dead before landing there, or even survived the fall but died later.
Over my headphones and during that intro, I heard my sister's children talking while they were walking through the hall. Hearing their barely audible, indistinguishable children's voices during that first 15 seconds was another level of creepy.
Much respect for it being a Resident Evil 1 reference tho!!
Everything I’ve heard about japan and it’s “low crime rate” really just seems to stem from the police not actively investigating anything. They seem to look for any excuse to go for the juvenile laws or push prefecture bs.
Japan has a low crime rate, that has nothing to do with police being incompetent though. Even if they don't continue investigations or do a poor job at solving cases, they still have to report them.
@@semoremo9548 ; you seem to have a very naive pov on japan's crime rates. they are artifically deflated for a myriad of reasons and police incompetence/inaction is definitely one of them. it happens anywhere in the world where ppl report to the police but then the *police* don't actually make the report themselves out of apathy. and police incompetence is really just one part of the whole messed up judicial system. japan needs to do better at protecting their vulnerable citizens like women and the disabled and prioritize getting justice for victims over perpetrators.
@@milannoelle1576 Maybe I do, who knows. I don't claim to be an expert or anything like that. What I was trying to explain in my comment was that Japan does have a lower crime rate compared to other countries, whether or not the police are incompetent in solving the cases. Now, whether they end up not reporting the cases themselves, I do not know that, but I think my original point still makes sense.
Oh, that letter to Zhu's parents is infuriating! I think the woman who was jealous of her, wrote the letter trying to justify her actions.
That second case makes me so angry. Go to the dorm authorities if she's bothering you this much??? If these girls had such powerful parents and families they probably could have gotten her to stop. Not to mention they would have known what happened to her older sister, so recklessly poisoning her was a complete act of malice. That is, if that letter is telling the truth, and i call bs. That story is too farfetched and outlandish. I've had shit roommates, who played music at the ass Crack of dawn and I still wouldn't ever get it into my head to poison them with one of the most toxic poisons known to human kind.
Yeah, I have a roommate that plays video games until 2 or 3 in the morning, this wouldn’t be a problem but every time she gets on she screams and yells. I despise her but killing her has never even crossed my mind
Yeah, not to mention that the letter mentioned "wanting her to repeat a year", which in no way guarantees sleep for the dorm mates, quite the opposite, they'd be stuck with her for longer. Definitely just revenge, if that letter is even to be believed.
@@michaeljacksheeheen Your roommate sounds like my ex-fiance. Stay strong, lol.
Exactly, being as powerful as she is, she could have easily gotten her expelled or something, or literally just changed dorms. Sounds like pure jealousy. Wanting her to repeat a year does show a motive, if it's not a true sentiment - that way they won't have to compete with her and lose.
This is your best series Lazy. Big ups for introducing these to English speaking audiences
Agree!
What series is this?
I agree!
Big ups liquid Richard
@@billblaski9523read the title
Lazy, my friend, this is the way to go. Not many can provide insight on cases with no English translations so this is a type of content that is in demand. Many of us already know most of the english cases because they get covered on multiple channels quite frequently. But this is awsome sir, thanks for your hard work.
If you like true crime from Asian countries check out The Casual Criminalist, he has many different writers world over doing the research for him and one is Asian, I think Hong Kong? Who speaks the languages of the crimes he writes on along with English and goes and pulls up primary sources and even contacts the police data guys for info and files straight from the source. He's done a lot of cases that I've never heard of and the ones that I had heard of he went into so much more depth and better detail it was like hearing a new case practically.
@@nivision thank you! I will def check him out!
Yes!! So well said! 😊
That letter to Zhu’s parents is the most sickening thing I have ever heard. EVER.
The case of Zhu Ling broke my heart. I don't know why her story touched me so much more than the first one, but it did. Poor woman.
While both cases were sad, it was for me instead the first story that got to me because of the incomprehensible, brutal violence against a total stranger, and because Taiki died whereas Zhu survived.
Plus his mother in vain trying for years to make the authorities care. :(
It's crazy to me how I'm not a doctor and yet as soon as I heard that last girl's symptoms, I immediately knew it was heavy metal poisoning... Maybe I watch too many true crime shows. 😅
Right? The first symptoms were listed, and I was thinking 'It's arsenic.' More symptoms, and I thought, 'No wait, thallium!'
Definitely too much true crime here too!
How did they think it was an infection... it's insane
@@hannahbul Agreed. I feel like presenting any kind of even semi-common ailments associated with poison should lead to a test for possible exposure, even if it's just a passive exposure.
My first thought was mercury poisoning.
it was just yesterday when i listened to a video about the teacup poisoner, so when they mentioned stomach cramps i was immediately hit by deja vu and realised that it is actually thallium poisoning!
They didn't know the ages and with such a violent crime they should have shared the images. The police who protected them should be held accountable for aiding them.
How did Zhu keep everyone up and keep them from sleeping? So sad these cases didn't get proper investigations.
if she did , during early police investigation someone would have mentioned it . If that anonymous letter is the only source of accusation, I suspect it is not credible .
She didn't. The letter was written by someone who was sick in the head.
Right? Have these people never heard of earplugs? Idk why they were expecting silence when they went off to college and lived in a dorm with a bunch of other college kids. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me.
I'm guessing they were the only one kept awake by her and it was more because they were following her around. Such awful victim blaming in that fuckin' letter, eugh.
@Penguin Economics The letter mentions a *specific* legal case where the defendant's entire defense-argument was that they murdered their roommate explicitly out of duress from literal sleep-depravation.
The letter goes so far as to state that this specific legal case shows that Zhu's dormmates could have admitted everything on Day 1 and even if Zhu died they would have been found 'Not Guilty' for the same reason the person in the specifically mentioned legal case was found to be innocent.
None of that, not a single word discussing the US court case, is applicable to their poisoning Zhu if we're interpreting their claims to be metaphorical/non-literal in any way.
Logically, Sun wouldn’t be the one to send the letter because, as you said, it would just incriminate her more - however, I actually do think it’s Sun. Writing the letter seems to be more of an emotional response - possibly of the comments she was getting after breaking her silence and mentioning she was cleared and had no motive (with statements made afterwards that said otherwise). So she would proceed to write the letter to Zhu’s parents somehow thinking that guilt-tripping them with (very flimsy) justifications would result in them possibly requesting people to move on. The wording suggesting the writer wasn’t involved really doesn’t mean anything - psychologically, wording things the way as a “witness” could be a way to further deflect blame; that is, “just in case” law enforcement traced the letter back to its origin and, say it was Sun, she could tell them, “Yeah I wrote the letter, but I only knew of it and wasn’t involved,” in which case the letter references in precisely that way. It could also very well be her significant other. Either way, we’d likely never find out - that’s assuming it wasn’t a hoax in the first place. As a final note about how stupid it would be to write the letter in the first place - I think you’ve covered more than a handful of cases where the criminal wasn’t very intelligent.
I'm inclined to suspect the dorm mate was the one who poisoned Zhu and had her family cover it up for her. That could even explain the incompetence of the doctors, being paid off or threatened to "overlook" the poisoning until it was made far too obvious that was what was happening.
I also think the dorm mate wrote that letter. Why would she draw attention to herself? That's honestly something pretty easy to explain -- based on what was said about her (she was a sore loser, she resented Zhu beating her academically, she had family who may have been protecting her from legal consequences of her actions, etc.) she sounds like the sort of narcissist who unfortunately seems to pop up in a lot of true crime. The sort who think they're the smartest person in the room and are not happy at all when told otherwise. If she was jealous of Zhu, there's a good chance it infuriated her to see the case being revived and everyone's sympathies being towards the victim. Yes, one would think it's obvious any decent person would react that way, but... well, let's just say it's not hard to find criminals who clearly believe "Sure that terrible stuff happened, but why doesn't anyone consider they had it coming and I'm the wronged party?"
I suspect the dorm mate sent the letter to Zhu's parents in some misguided belief they would be swayed to tell everyone their horribly poisoned and injured daughter was the one really at fault. The letter specifically expresses anger that all these people were describing Zhu as admirable, which is a pretty common way a lot of people are remembered after tragic circumstances (they were bright, they were well-loved, they had a good future ahead of them, etc.) But the writer seems to take it personally that people think highly of Zhu's accomplishments, something that would fit with the view of a petty academic rival.
Finally, the letter keeps insisting Zhu "kept her roommates from sleeping" and clearly treats this as a crime worthy of being poisoned. My thought is that the dorm mate somehow self-rationalized that Zhu was somehow sabotaging the dorm mate's sleep to beat her in school and used that to justify what she did, forgetting how insane that sounds to anyone else.
I would like to stress that THIS IS ALL SPECULATION ON MY PART. I'm not party to any of this, it's just my own conclusions based on the information in the video and patterns I observed in similar cases. I also know it doesn't matter terribly at the end of the day, since Zhu was still poisoned and hurt so badly. I just couldn't help but see those connections in the details, though.
What you said makes a lot of sense.
Sun Wei did it. There are perps who like to torment their victims and she comes as someone narcissist. The fact her family is prominent gave her the entitlement to do whatever she wanted. Also, since she's narcissist, hearing about the case years later and how people said good things bout the victim, made her angry and that's why she sent the victim-blaming letter. She won't face any charges but maybe "karma" will happen.
I scoffed at that karma bit in the letter. Like if that's the case, honey, you've got a big storm coming...
That letter 100% reads like her being upset that people are mad at the person who poisoned Zhu, and she just had to let them know that the perpetrator suffered too.
Like someone beating their spouse and then playing the victim because now their knuckles hurt.
Bingo 👏🏽 I honestly believe she had envy towards her.
In the first one, I bet the suspect had connections to Yakuza and the police knew this, and were afraid of retaliation from them, or the Yakuza had the police in their pocket. There is no rational explanation for their inaction aside from that, it is inexcusable misconduct on their part as police
But yakuza gangs have lost so much of their influence over the years . Was the local gangs that powerful around the time of the murder ?
Idk, I would of went to the underground and Yakuza if I was the mother once I found out the Police/Government we’re not going to pursue justice and cooperate, in my mind that’s her highest chance of success (wishful thinking perhaps) option left she had to get closure.
@@d_lollol524 i heard about that the yamasaki only have a fraction of memebers. of what they used to right
Or the suspect had connections to the police, or politicians, or the wealthy and powerful that hold their leashes.
@@d_lollol524 they have but remember this case took place in a fairly small part of Japan so Yakuza could hold more influence in places like that.
One thing is common in every country, if you belong to a powerful/ influential family then you can get away with anything 🤬 some people are born evil 🤬🤬🤬
That second story absolutely enraged me. I have had more issues with sleep than I care to count, I've been sleep deprived to the point of full blown psychosis, 82 hours in fact. Not once in my life did I ever think to poison another human being in exchange for sleep. Not once. She didn't deserve any of that. I hope her and her family are living peacefully, and I wish them nothing but good fortune for the rest of their lives.
They basically called her selfish for not thinking about anyone else when all they thought about was themself…
@@owinlaa absolutely, that's it 100%. So so beyond messed up to throw that in the family's face. This act was so cruel and senseless, then to come back years later and say that she deserves it is so evil.
man, as a non-chinese person studying in beijing and living in a dormitory, i get my sleep disturbed almost every night, never have i thought about poisoning my neighbors 😭😭😭 (but damn do i wish i could slap them sometimes lol)
Whenever I feel bad about my life, I watch videos like this and remind myself I could be doing a lot worse
Lol, we watch the same videos....I see your comments everywhere.
It can always be worse...
Hey thinking about being lucky sometimes
I just saw you in the new That Chapter video replies
Seen you also comment on That Chapters new video too. Good to see another fan of these types of videos
In the second case, if she disturbed other residents from sleeping in her dormitory , most likely dorm residents had complained to dorm management and she would be banned from the dorm . The alleged murder in the letter does not make any sense .
Great video. Just FYI though the family name is Zhu while her own name is Ling. Hope both cases can get justice some day.
The money Zhu Ling’s family received will not even be enough for a year of her health expenses. It’s so saddening. With the amount of detail and American involvement it was definitely one of her well off classmates
Gotta love how in Japan the age of consent is technically 13 yet won't do anything if a crime is committed by someone suspected to be a teenager
Please tell me you’re joking. 13 is way too fricking young. I think I’m going to be sick. Heck, I don’t even like that 16 is the age of consent in places. It should be 18.
@@imaghost2961 pretty sure most prefectures have it at 18 making it functionally higher but still fucked up (wait until you find out about yemen lmao)
@@imaghost2961 It was only ever technically 13. Prefectures and municipalities used to all have different ones and 13 was the lowest allowed, but most never went below 14 and some went up to 18. As of a couple years ago, Japan has one single age of consent, set at 16 like most of the world. And frankly, 16 is perfectly reasonable. 16 is the earliest age you can apply for a driver's license and get driving lessons at--you're telling me a 16-year-old shouldn't be allowed to have sex with their SO, but you're fine with that same 16-year-old thundering down the highway in a two-ton metal death machine full of highly combustible fuel?
My guess is that the Ushiku Incident involved at least one son of a prominent, wealthy or politically connected person. A random murder where the perpetrators could be easily identified, juvenile or not, just seems like too easy pickings for a justice system that results convictions 99.8% of the time. If someone is charged, it's practically a foregone conclusion that they'll be convicted. And if these four were identified by a first-party witness to a brutal murder, I can't even fathom what else might have given prosecutors pause in having the perpetrators arrested and charged. The story that law enforcement just *assumed* they were *all* juvenile without positively identifying *any* of them, thus keeping the investigation close to the vest is just absurd on the face of it. I can understand the law protects juveniles there, particularly to a much greater extent in terms of keeping their identity secret, but holy crap did that ever hamstring them.
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. No way would the police cover up such a random case unless a third party was involved. Chances are, this so-called gang bribed or possibly blackmailed the police into covering up the truth
That 99% percent is only on those charged who go to trial. The only way to maintain that number is simply to not charge or take to trial anyone you aren't absolutely certain you have dead to rights, or a jury or judge pool who convicts automatically no matter what the evidence is to get darker. If it's the former, then there's sure to be a lot of cases where they're pretty sure of who it was but don't snatch them up because it's not an absolute conviction. In my opinion that's not the ideal setup for a justice system, but that's still the better option than absolute corruption in the second option.
Tl;dr that stat sounds great, till you actually think about
I'm firmly in the camp that one or more of Taiki's murderers was the scion of a powerful family, on one side or other of the law. There was more than imcompetence in the police response.
Glad to see another region locked video! Any chance we’ll be seeing any more urban legend stories from around the world? I’d love to hear more!
That anonymous letter that the was sent to Zhu’s parents reads as they were speaking SPECIFICALLY of Sun whose privileged status created her character as a human with blatant disregard for others who was the selfish dorm mate that committed these actions. Sun’s family of privileged, political members with every possible power to completely interfere in exposing Sun for Zhu’s horrific and malice poisoning. The blatantly obvious protection of Sun, with her personality and true character, emboldened Sun attempting to killing Zhu. Sun was able to walk away free from any consequences and stole ANY justice for Zhu and how her life was destroyed.
I looked into it a bit more and it turns out Sun's mom WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL Zho was originally placed in, the one that decided against doing the thallium test because they would have had to contact another hospital.
That literally disabled her permanently. Changed how she completely functions in life. Literally destroyed her life. And for what? Something communication would’ve handled in 2 shakes.
You are thinking rationally... the villain here "felt" like hurting her and that is all there is to it.
That last one infuriates me. All because this person wasn't getting their "beauty sleep", they decide to irreversibly poison this poor girl? Oh, I'm SO sorry that your sleep is more important than a human life. It was definitely Sum who sent that letter and committed the murder (yes, murder, because she is barley alive) I hope she never has a restful sleep for the rest of her miserable life. I hope this video blows up and she finds it. What a disgusting pile of filth. To even have the nerve to send a letter to Zhu's parents like as if her explanation is excusable.
This is not murder.
@@Gorborothh Prove it. Where is your evidence?
@@angelaengle12 you said it yourself "barely alive".
@@Gorborothh attempted murder whether intentional or not . really not that much better
@@Gorborothh To sit there and just start naming "technicalities" instead of grasping how horrible this case is, you're just as awful as the person who committed this act. You're disgusting.
"You disturbed their sleep so you deserve being almost killed" That's such a load of bs.
In the Zhu Ling case, i think the letter at the end was sent by the main suspect, and that she is responsible for intentionally supplying the thallium to those who wished Zhu harm. That’s how the writer knew so much yet kept writing in 3rd person. Just my theory.
The American husband could certainly write that letter too. 3rd party that only knows HER side of things
@@TopherGrant i would never eat anything she gave me
I don't think you get enough credit for how good you are at using stock footage to enhance your videos. It never feels randomly placed like it does on other channels, it always feels fitting and relevant.
I was just wondering what Lazy Masquerade looked like... then the babbel ad came on! Now I know... he's a yummy biscuit 😍❤🤤. Thank you!
Whenever I see Japanese cases I immediately think of Junko Furuta and the *anger* I feel towards those *pieces of shit* who didn’t get anywhere near the punishment they deserved
Not only that, but they're still out there. Basically murdering someone and being free men. So many people knew. Nobody did a thing.
I think about their pos mother who basically blames HER for "ruining her son's life", and thinks it's okay to continually desecrate Junko's grave. That bitch deserves every unimaginable horror that could ever happen to a woman, to happen to her.
@@bryn1063 if I remember correctly, she was kept in one of the boy’s houses where their parents also lived? And there were people who visited who saw her there? (And I don’t mean the gang members who came and further abused her.)
Every single one of them who were aware of what was going on deserves life sentences in solitary confinement. I don’t really agree with capital punishment on the grounds that it seems like an easy way out for some people who don’t deserve that kindness. They certainly don’t in this case. But the solitary confinement part comes from the fact that I know some of them were gang members so they were probably alright in gen pop in prison. Ugh I hate people.
@@bryn1063 oh and the parents of one of the boys who ruined a memorial for Junko because she’d “ruined their son’s life”? Trash. Life sentence for them too.
@@Clo_Dub I completely agree. Stories like hers just make my blood boil. Especially "ruined her son's life" like what did she do? Get tortured and murdered?
Ya know...first thing that came to MY mind as someone who has studied biochemistry, zhus symptoms immediately made me think of poisoning. She was young and healthy..she had widespread pain and her hair was falling out. WHY those Dr's never thought of poisoning, I have no clue. Not all Dr's graduated with a's...some barely passed medical school, and all those individuals are still walking around with "Dr " titles.
Yep... I said out loud, "she's been poisoned!" I didn't think thallium immediately but I did shortly after the full list of symptoms.
@@GenXfrom75 Those syptoms gave me only 2 options, metal poisoning or radiation sickness.
Whenever I start having second thoughts about my degree (biological research) because of my grades my dad reminds me that the doctor who graduated with C's is still called "doctor" (which both helps and makes me nervous about doctors)
@@kadarak1 I thought thallium because Ive heard many cases of it, sadly.
Japan is incompetent and grossly negligent. Always that dumb sense of pride blocking their acces to any basic sense of morality.
It is so sad what happened in both cases and so infuriating how they were dealt with.
A group of teens who would beat someone to death, even more without any reason, should definitely be taken off the streets. They were already criminals and likely still are, and the fact police could cover for them is sickening.
For the second one, regardless of the crime being committed by a person or group, even if Zhu was disturbing their sleep, which may not even be true, it is so scary to think someone could scheme such a cruel plan to ruin someone's life and get away with it. And what a ridiculous victim-blaming excuse of a letter. This was not someone committing a crime from a sudden rage caused by sleep deprivation. This was not someone trying to make her fail the year. They didn't sabotage her schoolwork or messed with her stuff to scare her. They went through great lengths to continuously poison her. They wanted to kill her and not get caught, blaming it on some sudden undiagnosed illness, and they got away with permanently disabling her and ruining her life.
In the first case, it does appear like the police help to cover the case up, either because they knew the perpetrators, their boss, or whatever other reason. In the second, the university may have wanted to cover up how someone used their supplies to commit attempted murder or their property, or maybe the police just dropped the ball very bad. In either way, both intentional and unintentional lack of police effort is sickening and scary they don't care to take those vile people of the streets.
I can't even comprehend those Chinese students they said they did it because of "karma" yet they're crying and asking that they too don't get punished for their own actions, if being "loud" is something that deserves punishment then so does having them in jail, they don't deserve to sleep well.
Both cases are horrible in their own rights and they also seem to share a level of authoritative corruption. How cases like this fail to be solved is beyond understanding and it's unfortunate that all too often we have to hope karma will bring justice for those who have been so senselessly wronged. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. Just a real shame.
Taiki (my deepest apologies if i misspelled his name) was a man of true courage. he will be remembered as a hero and his attackers as cowards
Thanks Lazy for this new video highlighting these mysteries.
Also hope one day these two cases can get justice.
i’m so happy you featured kyotorobato! he deserves so much exposure and is so underrated! thank you!
I’m 32 years old, and I went to the same university as Zhu, albeit decades after. Her story is a myth/legend at the university, as it happened so long ago. But the story is still known by every female who goes there, probably still to this day.
For context, the university we went to, Tsinghua University is the most prestigious STEM university in China, and ranks as the top engineering university in the world by US News and World Report every year for the last decade plus, beating out MIT and CalTech. The most recent Chinese chairmen (supreme leaders) all attended Tsinghua. The fact that Zhu went there signifies that she had EVERYTHING going for her, and the whole world in front of her. She could have gotten any job and been very successful in her career. I know it doesn’t help, but EVERYONE knows it was her friend/roommate who poisoned her - this is a known fact in the Tsinghua student community, even decades later.
You're here in the u.s now?
As a Hispanic, it brought a big smile to my face listening to Lazy speak in Spanish. Muchas gracias, Lazy. ¡Que pases buen día!
The victim blaming in story two is astounding.
Omg I’ve had the worst Lazy withdrawals, I was checking TH-cam for a new video several times a day
This is my favorite channel bc:
1. His voice
2. The creepy content
3. The creepy music choice
4. The mix of stories, not just one
5. The rarity of the stories & not recycled and heard on every channel.
6. The creepy images and graphics.
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You were my first love on you tube, dude! I think you were my first subscription, I've since found all the bedtimes story's, why file's, mystery history, top fives, unexplained mysteries, point being... There's nothing like your narratives, anywhere! Good ole lazy, you never let me down! Keep on keeping on, my guy! Your top notch.
I must watch too many of these documentaries, I immediately thought it was thallium the moment her hair started falling out.
Me, too. In Agatha Christie’s novel, “The Pale Horse”, thallium was the poison. It actually helped solve a medical mystery of a young girl sick in the hospital and losing her hair.
Good afternoon/ morning/ night to my fellow lazy members in this nice afternoon 😊
Good night 🐰 bunny 😊
Ty! Have a good one.
AHHH So excited to see you & KyotoRobato collab! You guys are some of my faves
Wow in both of these cases, those authorities are just as bad as each other. With the first case, it is because of their overly rigid mindset which led to their incompetence and the second case being the government constantly try to disrupt the investigation.
When I heard thallium was put on her contact lenses, I physically recoiled as the realization comes to me.
Also it's insane students have access to thallium.
Finally! I’ve been waiting for Lazy Masquerade to upload another Region-Locked Mysteries video!!
I can totally believe that they payed off the cops to do nothing it makes me sick how they could turn a blind eye like this of course if it was a member of their own family they would have a completely different attitude otherwise they simply don't seem to care
My favorite narrator. Always calm, always mysterious. Always the right mood for LM!
oh and imma firmly need you to bring back the "best things happen..." closing, going forward. Thanks Lazy. Keep up the great work!
Poor Zhu. That victim blaming letter gives me the rage 😡
I love your region locked mysteries, not other mystery channel covers these types of things so they're always brand-new to me
These stories really make me want to see the culprits face vigilante justice, seeing as law enforcement is so damn useless in these cases.
Thanks. Truly terrible crimes, made worse by the authorities. It was my first thought that the police were protecting at least one of the guys who beat that young man. Why else would they wait until the statute of limitations ran out, then suddenly release the info? I know Japan is a different culture, but I find it hard to believe that multiple dorm-mates would conspire to poison someone over a long period of time, never changing their minds & swapping out the items again, just because they 'couldn't sleep'. Horrible. NOTE: A4 paper is widely available here in the U.S., it's just not commonly used in offices, etc. Our standard copier / printer paper has been 8.5 inches x 11 inches for all of my life. But you can easily buy A4 anywhere they sell printer paper (or order it online). Walmart & Staples have it. Thanks again. tavi.
I theorize that the police were paid off to keep the case under wraps. Explains why they didn't want to release any details and why they took down posters
The poisoning story took place in China, not Japan.
@@Calvados656 This. I'm wondering in OP just didn't realize this wouldn't be a all-Japan episode and missed the part where he said "China", or if this is a "all Asia is the same" type of thing.
@@Calvados656 Acknowledged. But the same argument applies. Why would college students anywhere do this? Why wouldn't they just threaten her in some way? It's crazy no matter who did it or where. tavi.
@@richarddeese1991I will say I had a friend in Russia who told me about how education is super competitive, and they had people in their law classes who would purposely poison others so they would be too sick for exams and would flunk out. Idk if it’s the same in China, but it apparently is a thing some students out there are crazy enough to do.
The first case is extremely infuriating. Rest in peace to the victim. I hope you get justice my brother.
I really like the animations youve put into your videos here lately!! It's just looks super cool and flows well with the stories your telling. Thank you for all you hard work!!
They could have taken his money without brutally stamping and kicking him to death such brutal savages it never creases to amaze me the brutal savagery that humans are capable of inflicting onto others
Even more scary was that this was unprovoked and totally out of the blue. Just goes on to show how easily anyone can take your life
I think you need a thesaurus
Love the new intro! The low-poly graphics remind me of the nostalgic PS1 horror titles. Especially with that mask, it reminds me of Clock Tower 2: The Struggle Within.
Thank you so much for your videos lazy even though true crime is so bad for my mental health and trust issues I still can’t stop watching your videos because they’re truly the best out there in the whole genre (source: trust me bro but this time fr)
Surprised how Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world when the system is so corrupt. I mean, hearing about dozens of similar cases, maybe that "lowest crime rate" doesn't tell the full story..
That’s because they have a nearly 100% conviction rate, if you get accused, especially as a foreigner, you’re almost guaranteed to get convicted. Even if you’re completely innocent. That, and classing obvious crime activity as ‘suicide’ means they have a really low crime rate and really low unsolved crime rate
@@emilybarclay8831 Hell, let's keep in mind that there's literally an entire famous game series centered around a parody of Japan's broken legal system, a system that also ultimately inspired Light Yagami to become Kira.
SO cool you brought KyotoRoboto on!! I've been following his channel for a while and his content is awesome. Great to see you feature small creators
japan likes to flaunt their low crime rate but ive been more skeptical after seeing cases like this
The thing is
When you have a low crime rate, the crimes that happen do tend to stand out more.
Like the first story happens aaaall the time here in South Africa. But its so common its... Not shocking. It doesnt have the same impact as it would in Japan
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 but at the same time Lazy had to go digging for these cases with VPNs because of international blocks ? You don't hide news like this unless someone paid you or you don't want people to know about it
I don't think they hid it (well not NOW), it just wasn't publishized in English. He mentions that in passing at the very begining. The Region-Locked in the title is less literal and more a slang term in this case.
Can't wait to listen to this on my commute from work. Thanks Lazy ❤❤❤
I've lived in China for almost 7 years now and this is par for the course here. There is a Chinese expression 'guanxi' which basically means relations. If you have good guanxi, like San's family had, she could have even admitted to doing it, and nothing would have come of it. The CCP cadres her family was affiliated with, would have simply made it go away. The reason why this was most likely blocked, was also because of the CCP's desire te preserve 'he xie' which means social harmony. It really is sad that this happens. Scary thing is that this kind of thing happens more often than not. Like Peng Shuai's case. Or the doctor who first blew the whistle about Covid.
What's it like to live there as a foreigner?, must be an experience
🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳!!!.
@@thomasalmond3311 it sure is. Very different but for the most part, it's been a positive experience.
Weirdly, I first learned about guanxi while reading up on this case. Reportedly, after a few months of investigation the police had pretty much dropped it and straight up told her parents they might have more luck using their guanxi to search for closure. I at first assumed that was some kind of private eye or something but, no, the police literally suggested they use family connections to find who almost murdered their child.
Yes, I love learning about events all around the world that people never talks about. It makes me so mad and I give all my sympathies to those that suffers. I've learned that there are wars that's been going on for so long and no one is talking about it. It's so sad
Would you ever cover the story about the Beast of Gévaudan? I don't know why, but for some reason it always freaks me out. Some say it was a wolf, others say it was a freaking Lion that somehow ended up in Europe.
There used to be lions in Europe (they're mentioned in Romeo and Juliet, for instance). Most places hunted them to extinction because, well...*lion.*
@@AJadedLizard Still, it's bizarre based off old stories though. Yes, i know old tales and whatnot are exaggerated, but these ones are so specific it's just weird to me. They seemed almost systematic.
"More attacks were reported across the region. Very soon terror gripped the populace because the beast was repeatedly preying on lone men, women, and children as they tended livestock in the forests around Gévaudan.[4] Reports note that the beast seemed only to target the victim's head or neck regions."
@Dante another African predator that it could have been was a hyena. Most likely explanation was it was either a wolf or wolf dog hybrid suffering from some issue like acromegaly that would cause it to be larger and more aggressive than normal, or a lion or hyena that escaped from a noble's private menagerie that was misidentified by the local peasants that were unfamiliar with African fauna. I lean more towards an irresponsible noble, because France has a storied history of idiot nobles causing mayhem for the peasants, but we'll never know for certain.
@@benjaminsmith3843 The weird thing about this story though is that so many people reported the same thing. Sure, i can believe a lion running away from a circus enclosure, but a hyena as well? Someone I recently discussed this with even claimed it could've been a massive coyote.. I just don't buy a coyote making it up to France.
Actually that's a fairly respectably known legend. In any case, I still think that was a wolfdog hybrid that was used as a guard dog by a nobel, but it wasn't properly trained, if it all, and it got free.
I always find Japanese cases especially mysterious and intriguing and basically very dark and eerie which suits this channel perfectly
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Because Japanese crimes never get solved, fixed or punished. The degenerates turn literal cannibals into celebrities.
For me, the fact that their entire culture is so foreign that it seems to make their motives different.
Especially when so many just get swept under the rug or no real punishment
Right??? Even Mexican cases spook me on the same level as Japanese!
So they killed her because they couldnt sleep? What a bunch of bullshit 😂 people can justify their own actions but in actuality they are feeling guilty themselves and thats why they justify their own actions
happy to find your channel again i use to listen to your stories 4 years ago i lost my old youtube channel and i always remember your videos and voice and wonder what was the name of your channel !? that is how good you are ... thank you for your hard work bro
That letter is so sadistic. It claims Zhu deserved to be Poisoned because she was a bit loud. It claims her dormmates poisoned her in a fit of rage even though this was obviously a premeditated murder. If the killers were temporarily insane due to exhaustion, there were many many easier ways to kill Zhu than poisoning her with a rare poison. The idea that this was all due to lack of sleep is preposterous. I suspect Sun's husband wrote that.
If we're to believe the letter, it says that they didn't actually want to kill Zhu, just to make her sick enough to make her skip a year. So if the perpetrators (because they didn't kill her) were indeed insane from exhaustion, it would explain why they decided upon poison over other methods. Now, why Thallium out of all the other kinds of poison? Since one of them had access to it, it might be because she was researching it or doing some kind of project that would grant her easy access to it without raising suspicions. That might have been why they chose Thallium over a different kind of poison.
@@semoremo9548But they would have then had to continue forward with that plan for months. Heck, after her first trip back from the hospital they should have had some rest and yet within a week of returning to the dorm, symptoms start again. That doesn't seem like a sudden fit of rage from sleep deprivation. Thallium is slow working and in this case was being administered daily through multiple means in small doses. That just doesn't come off as spontaneous/explosive.
@@Gildedmuse I'm not sure if I understood your comment correctly or not. I never said the people who poisoned her weren't doing so consciously and meditatively. I was just pointing out that there is a possibility (maybe not very likely) that Zhu was being disruptive in an intentional way. I was in no way trying to excuse what these girls did to her, though.
The last story… that letter… what a pathetic monster…. They believe in Karma? Hope it happens to them.