3D PRINTING with CARBON FIBERS - ColorFabb XT-CF20 REVIEW

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  • I've finally tested the 20% Carbon Fiber filled filament from ColorFabb. Let's find out how it performs!
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  • @CappellaTheCat
    @CappellaTheCat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +945

    I have tried PLA-CF printing about 1.5 year ago... It looks great, it's unfortunately less strong than regular pla and just a bit more stiff...
    But the worst... I got strong itching on my fingers... under the microscope I had litterally thousands of carbon fibers in the skin of my fingers... and it didn't go away with washing, soap, tape, wax (yeah I was desesperate, especially I wear contact lenses... I don't think getting carbon fibers into my eyes is a good idea)... Finally got rig of most of it with sandpaper... I still had some fibers visible under the microscope 2 weeks after. Never ever touched that roll of filament again...

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      Very interesting to know.

    • @MeatLeBeef
      @MeatLeBeef 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      CappellaTheCat I guess it's the 3D printing equivalent of mineral wool 😛

    • @Amipotsophspond
      @Amipotsophspond 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      you won't find it recommended by any one because it's not good for you.
      but.. Super Glue from the dollar store, fingernail polish/adhesive or if you want to be really safe and official like me liquid bandage has a osha paper trail for use on skin.
      the acrylic like glue contains the dust or fibers to the area and bonds or sticks to them to make them larger and easier to deal with.
      keep your skin separated so it does not stick together wait for it to dry then when it's hard peel it off.
      if need use acetone(finger nail polish remover.) but remember the more you dissolve it instead of flake it the more of fibers are loused.
      the sand paper might scrape them in rather then pull them out.
      also, if you need to hide your fingerprints but don't want to wear gloves, superglue works well for that too. the things we do for a mortgage. just kidding.

    • @DanFrederiksen
      @DanFrederiksen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      No it's 3D printing equivalent of asbestos. Or worse.

    • @DanFrederiksen
      @DanFrederiksen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Capella, do you have any of those images of your hands?

  • @wpherigo1
    @wpherigo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Really in-depth and comprehensive. Impressive test setups. Thanks.

  • @vader3t3
    @vader3t3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Love seeing scientifically rigorous test setups. Kudos!

  • @ianjuby
    @ianjuby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude - this was exceptionally well done! Thank you. Good point about carbon fiber particles - a friend of mine was a SAR Tech (Search And Rescue Technician) for the Canadian Armed forces up at Cold Lake where they flew the CF-18's. He had commented about the hazard of one of those planes going down because of fire and the carbon fiber used in the aircraft. The carbon fiber dust was especially dangerous - he flat out said it was deadly. I don't know anything about it besides what he said in passing.

  • @HolyHubcap
    @HolyHubcap 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow just found this channel. Bought my first 3d printer last week. I love the mechanics of materials approach this channel has for testing filaments. Extremely insightful for appropriation of filaments for prototyping. Subscribed!

  • @StuartCullen
    @StuartCullen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Based on the title... Who's thumbing this video down?! It's incredibly in depth and diligent.

  • @exl9997
    @exl9997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, the most down to earth and honest review of this pla blend

  • @gth042
    @gth042 5 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    Most fine particles are a hazard. *Any* particle below about 20 microns is a hazard. If you can avoid it, just don't be around it. My suggestion for reworking/sanding any nasty material is to do it *wet or submerged*. Intuitively, transverse sanding those carbon strands can release particles of a biologically unfortunate size. A mask works whilst you wear it, but unless you're accustomed to cleaning up a microbiology lab or clean room, it's safe to assume that junk is everywhere and waiting to be re-suspended next time you brush by the area (particularly if done near a window or other heat/plume source). This isn't to knock on carbon filament in "particular" but applies to a range of plastics, metals, etc... Your caution is not excessive if you wish to avoid some types of cancers. ;)
    What camera rig did you use for the macro shots, by the way?
    Enjoyable video as always, and thank you for sharing your work!

    • @pantac4493
      @pantac4493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      gth042 you are right and enough people aren’t aware of this. Laser engravers are one of kings for small particles, even with precautions the dust will be airborne the next time you walk the in work area and you will not likely be wearing a mask 24/7 to fully protect yourself. Although these laser machines are capable of great work, they are fundamentally unsafe.

    • @TiagoTiagoT
      @TiagoTiagoT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pan Tac Even if the engraver has an enclosure with negative pressure, and the air sucked from it goes thru a filter?

    • @pantac4493
      @pantac4493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      TiagoTiago yes, that vacuum system doesn’t remove everything. There will still be particles that will make their way inside the room after removing the work material from the machine, which has some residue from cutting/engraving. If you’re around hazardous material, you can’t 100% isolate it, you will will be exposed to a certain extent of it. Some people just chose to ignore it until it becomes a problem for them, at which point it might be too late.

    • @TiagoTiagoT
      @TiagoTiagoT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pan Tac Would venting the output of the vacuum to the outside be considered pollution, or would the material that escaped the filter get diluted enough in the outside air and no longer be an issue?

    • @pantac4493
      @pantac4493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TiagoTiago it’s always vented to the outside air as far as I know. I don’t know how legal it is. Neighbors might have a problem with it. The exhaust from the laser engraver I was around seemed to have some particles that escaped the filter and I could smell the fumes a little bit.

  • @MGoat76
    @MGoat76 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow. What a quality review. Thank you!

  • @nedbazzvictoria6948
    @nedbazzvictoria6948 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT and very INFORMATIVE mate. I watched this video for about 2 minutes and subscribed IMMEDIATELY. Thank you so much for sharing your superb knowledge!!
    Cheers, p.

  • @richardbeien6676
    @richardbeien6676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this video and the scientific approach to filament testing. One suggestion, have you considered getting an air quality monitor? I have been testing and documenting air purifiers, diy ventilation and different filament particle release by using an air quality monitor. I think this sort of testing and information would fit nicely within your videos and process. Keep up the great work and thanks for helping the 3d print community.

  • @debbiebebington9803
    @debbiebebington9803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice information and good video, your right to be worried about your health while printing don't take any chances, I did with electroplating, even the chemicals warned me about cancer, I still carried on and now I have terminal throat cancer Keep safe Regards Debbie

  • @dennismiller7235
    @dennismiller7235 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I read a paper where the coated the outside of the filament with carbon fiber, then heated in a microwave over this made the prints strength nonbiased to the print layering. Can you try heating it in a microwave to see if it increases layer cohesion?

  • @lucasmatas1361
    @lucasmatas1361 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really excellent test and analysis!!! 💪🏼

  • @danwhiffen9235
    @danwhiffen9235 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Although the fibres seem well aligned with a 0.4mm nozzle, I wonder if a smaller nozzle would have an even better polarizing effect yielding stronger prints... although jams might start to become problematic. Thanks for the thoughtful and comprehensive video.

  • @0calvin
    @0calvin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Your findings match what I generally see with carbon-filled filaments, both PETG and nylon, which is that the fibers add rigidity at the expense of toughness and layer strength. But it does look sexy, and if you are making quadcopter or airplane parts it is less dense so your parts are lighter.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interestingly the carbon fibers decrease the density really a little (around 5%).

    • @0calvin
      @0calvin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CNC Kitchen: I think it depends on the brand. For instance, 3dxtech has a CF nylon that is very high in fiber content. I use it for making fan shrouds and such on 3D printers because it is light and heat resistant.

    • @josiahong5177
      @josiahong5177 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fun factish thing. I’m pretty sure Carbon fibre/fiber is more dense than most thermoplastics, especially the ones in 3d printing. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

    • @0calvin
      @0calvin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josiahong5177 I believe you are right. I think the idea is that the extra stiffness from the small percentage of carbon fiber added allows you to use less plastic, and overall there is a weight savings.

    • @josiahong5177
      @josiahong5177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@0calvin okay, makes sense. I always wondered why the cf nylon I used was denser than the regular nylon I used.

  • @theheadone
    @theheadone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be interesting to see how the properties would change if you annealed your parts using this type of filament. As always, I love your methodology, great work!

    • @mortarriding3913
      @mortarriding3913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anecdotally, I re-melted some scrap parts of XT-CF20, after finding them excessively brittle and I managed to turn them into a super strong, albeit warped, shrunken version of themselves.

  • @thelookingglass1737
    @thelookingglass1737 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice... very informative indeed! Thanks for the time and effort.

  • @android4cg
    @android4cg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great filament test! Your test matches with my experiences i had with this material. I would like to see test of Fillamentum HT PLA which should have great printing quality and high temperature resistance.

  • @kb3931
    @kb3931 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found a roll for 25$ and it had 20% carbon fiber and it printed great
    I can tell it does have carbon fibers because when I switch to a clearish filament the fibers left in the nozzle come out with the clear filament.

  • @dananorth895
    @dananorth895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would think if you look at the printing shop/fab/ home as being like a cleanroom it would be next to imposible to clean up micro deposits of. Carbon fiber dust all throughout. I'd expect much more strength etc from carbon but for the cost/biohazard I'll hold off indefinitely. PLA and PETG maybe TPU as well seem to be the strongest most versatile overall. Up till now I was only purchasing PLA+. Great vidios I'd been planning to research all the filaments but hadn't come close to getting around to it as I'm just starting out and juggling quite alot. Your research helps out the community immensly thanks!

  • @fibranijevidra
    @fibranijevidra 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is some fine testing. Thank you.

  • @dbingamon
    @dbingamon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    To reduce moisture and keep dust off my filament I leave the plastic bag around the spool and simply cut a slit for the horizontal peg to hold the spool in position. That way the spool stays in the the bag the throughout its use.

  • @oddspaghetti4287
    @oddspaghetti4287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A pro tip for when working with carbon fiber (sanding etc.) is to wet the surface beforehand so that the fibers do not become airborne.

    • @TheRainHarvester
      @TheRainHarvester 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Odd Spaghetti then throw it down the sink?

  • @DoRC
    @DoRC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I would suggest a respirator when abrading any material with fiber like reinforcement but i dont think theres anything to worry about printing with it. The stray fiber might escape the material and there but being contained in molten plastic its probably safer while its printing than when its just sitting around.

  • @KingJamesIX
    @KingJamesIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Breathing fine metal dust and powdered fiberglass can and does give you mesothelioma.
    I'm not sure if the fibers in the carbon fiber carry the same risk but for safety's sake we should assume similar or even the same health risk is applicable.
    Thankfully I already have a perfect 3m p100 multigas respirator and even p100 non gas pancake filters near at hand and the filters are cheap and readily available.
    Thanks for everything you do. This information is invaluable.

  • @ThingEngineer
    @ThingEngineer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I'm super unimpressed at the lack up updates from Simplify 3D over the last year... :( Hope that changes soon!

  • @WhereNerdyisCool
    @WhereNerdyisCool 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I spent a lot of time working with ColorFabb support to try to get this filament to print properly for me. It's an absolute headache and when compared to other high end PLA's, just wasn't worth the cost or challenge to make it print well. I had high hopes and loved the matte finish. But a nightmare to dial in and work with for moderately good prints

  • @DaveGrennan
    @DaveGrennan ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video. I think you are right to take proper precautions around this material. Remember we only get one pair of lungs!

  • @Cosantoir
    @Cosantoir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey @CNC Kitchen, have you any suggestions for a impact resistant resistant 3D printable part?
    I'm building a mini battlebot and it's going to take quite a few bumps and bangs from the likes of Drone motors with weights on them. White something really tough sounds ideal I'm wondering if the outer shell would be better if it possibly had some flex in it or am I best getting something that's just extremely strong?
    I was going for CF but the fact it's only strong in one direction leaves me to believe there's something better out there.

  • @MarkKamoski
    @MarkKamoski 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can carbon fiber infused filament such as this be safely be used for parts where contact with the skin is often happening, for example a door knob?

  • @compaq6911
    @compaq6911 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work, I want to ask if using carbon fiber nylon is good to be used in a big designs that must handle 2000N load?

  • @ze_german2921
    @ze_german2921 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This will be great for IBT Stacks

  • @mechadense
    @mechadense 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be curious how well this filament fairs when under significant load over prolonged times. I had very bad results with the unpigmented ColorFabb PLA-PHA blend for this particular use case with formation of many parallel stress cracks of all sizes and wonder if it might help to switch to this carbon fiber reinforced filament (or just plain PETG).

  • @harriskulyk5877
    @harriskulyk5877 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The orthotropic strenght properties of the prints are interesting

  • @HaywirePhoenix
    @HaywirePhoenix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool. Although was it a fair test if you had it stored for so long? Is this stuff safe on the skin once printed?

  • @ehrix4468
    @ehrix4468 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did u use the average microscope like x400 when viewing the filament up close?

  • @Ktmfly3r
    @Ktmfly3r 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @CNC Kitchen you do realize there's an export settings function to Slic3r? You could add the .INI files to your description to make replicating tunes much much more efficient.

  • @tylerarrigoni7700
    @tylerarrigoni7700 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding content... Thank you so much

  • @techdiyer5290
    @techdiyer5290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:30 try getting a HEPA filter, and/or put the printer intoa an enclosure, ive seen some nice ones using IKEA Lack Tables.

    • @jeff35372
      @jeff35372 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With our location buying a HEPA filter was out of the physical size equation. After building an enclosure for our CR10s Pro we simply setup a fan that pulls and recirculates the chamber air through a carbon face mask. it works great and is a bunch cheaper than buying HEPA elements.

  • @yoanfilipov3747
    @yoanfilipov3747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great review! Thorough and to the point, as well!
    I was only wondering what is the test print for fan speed, nozzle temp and layer adhesion at 2:30?

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is 3D Maker Noobs Temperature Tower: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2092820

  • @russnbish
    @russnbish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    did you build a mini quad out of that?

  • @Oc3anMaster
    @Oc3anMaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have the STL's for the basic filament printing tests that you show early on in the video? not the ones in your patreon. Like the overhang test is a particular nice looking test model I want to try out on my monitor with some materials myself.

  • @calvingreen1215
    @calvingreen1215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @CNC Kitchen now there is more variety of carbon fibre filaments would you be interested in doing a new video comparing pla petg and nylon? Plus any others

  • @gratefulamateur1393
    @gratefulamateur1393 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done. Nice informative video, thanks.

  • @larryable1
    @larryable1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a question regarding the blobs, does the filament stick to the nozzle during retraction or does it slowly string and stick to the nozzle when it goes up a layer?

  • @jaystone3516
    @jaystone3516 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    get a shop air vacume system to ventilate the air , it will help keep remove the particle from the air.but yet still ware a dust mask.

  • @parvariramin
    @parvariramin ปีที่แล้ว

    What should be the temperature of hot plate and nozzle for carbon fiber printing?

  • @donaldhollingsworth3875
    @donaldhollingsworth3875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the best filament for a great surface finish? Something like a 63 surface finish you would get when machining a part?

  • @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV
    @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have you heard of the iro3d metal printer? It's a printer where you print a dry sand-metal mixture and then the part is cured in a kiln. This produces full density metal prints. And it's "only" $5,000.

    • @jeffthompson2464
      @jeffthompson2464 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting input !!
      I will check out the $5000 3D printer you mentioned.
      As a technical note, sand filled metal filaments cannot produce fully metallic parts. By definition, sand is not a metal... (Not trying to be nit-picky, only sayin...)

    • @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV
      @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffthompson2464 The sand isn't mixed with the metal. The process is similar to casting.

  • @ch.wey.4406
    @ch.wey.4406 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I´m just about to upgrade my CNC machine. Could that be the best choice for CNC parts ?

  • @avejst
    @avejst 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing 😀👍

  • @kevindflowers234
    @kevindflowers234 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the tougher materials? Great video

  • @pyromania9016
    @pyromania9016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how do you get these tests? like the over hang test and the fan test!?

  • @AlJay0032
    @AlJay0032 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A comparison of different brand CF Nylons would be interesting, say eSun CF Nylon vs VisionMiner vs MatterHackers NnylonX and finally this one tested here.

  • @professionalretard1796
    @professionalretard1796 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    sorry I'm new to all this and am sorry if this is a basic question that I'm just missing or to newb to get....... but can any 3d printer print carbon fiber ? as long as it says PLA ON IT ?

  • @Rendraco79
    @Rendraco79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! thanks a lot for sharing the info. greetings!

  • @TheGFS
    @TheGFS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recommend the CF-PETG from 3DPrima , awesome filament and very easy to print (like the rest of the 3DPrima filaments)

  • @TiagoTiagoT
    @TiagoTiagoT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Could you use the bare fillament to reinforce a print made with another material by pausing the print with the other material and laying the filament on channels, and maybe a quick pass of a heatgun or even a clothes iron, to fuse the two filaments every few layers?

  • @lknanml
    @lknanml 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've used about a spool now of a different brand and yea this is more of marketing tool rather than a useful material. I've made a lot of carbon fiber parts for cars and bikes over the years and in this application there is just not enough weave or overlapping of particles to really make much of a difference. I too have noticed clean up is an issue if you do any kind of finishing sanding or drilling. Mask or respirator for fine particles should be used along with gloves and a better disposal solution should be used instead of tossing flash or support material into your 3D printer trash bin. It does look good and it's fun to say 3d fiber this an that but I never found a project where this improved on the end result. Although compression forces might be improved now that I think of it. The fibers may hold it all together for longer under force.

  • @hayden9944
    @hayden9944 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you try to print this with 0.6mm nozzle? I wonder if you will get better layer adhesion if the fibers align in a less uniform direction.?

  • @casey360360
    @casey360360 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What other filaments have such a high or higher temp rating along with ease of printing?

  • @hsc5162
    @hsc5162 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Könntest Du den Unterschied in der Steiffigkeit visuell zeigen? Würde den Nichtmaterialwissensvhaftlern sicher helfen.
    Vielen Dank

  • @pielandre8275
    @pielandre8275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It could be interesting to try to print this in an enclosure and a small mesh filter to see if small carbon fibre particle are released

    • @jameriquay
      @jameriquay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They will be, dangerous CF particles are only 5nm long. You need a really good filter. I'd recommend staying away from CF altogether

  • @rollopost
    @rollopost 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating. Thanks. Wouldn’t you want to print in a bi-axial direction like a regular matt?

  • @brrrt8212
    @brrrt8212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should look into Onyx material from mark forged. Same concept, much better execution.

    • @jameriquay
      @jameriquay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everyone stop using CF in your homes!!!! It might be carcinogenic

  • @stevenboelke6661
    @stevenboelke6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you have access to an SEM? Is that yours, or do you have to send the samples off to be imaged?

  • @rre9121
    @rre9121 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I miss using an SEM. Do you have access to one through your work or do you send it out for a service?

  • @Miro0711
    @Miro0711 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, I’m new in this printing stuff. We have to teach it in future as an additional skill, so now i’ve to learn a lot.
    At first thank you for your report. PLA, PVA, ABS, PET i’ve tried a lot with different results.
    On your site are the examples, do you also offer the thermal mark tower etc.?
    It would be really nice and much easier to get the best settings for each material.
    What are your experiences about using original material eg Ultimaker vs eg Innofil.
    Thank you in anticipation

  • @wangouthangout
    @wangouthangout 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about using that filament maker machine of yours to make a blend of this and polymax for example for toughness and rigidity?

  • @jbe6697
    @jbe6697 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mein drucker hat kein beheiztes druckbett also ist normal eher für pla geeignet
    Kann man das zeug damit drucken?

  • @1151simon
    @1151simon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, please can you tell me which is the best material for printing boats.

  • @jeffthompson2464
    @jeffthompson2464 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think you said that although the carbon fibre filament produced more rigid parts/products than most other filaments did, it did not produce as tough of test specimens as some other 3D printing polymer filaments.
    I think you mentioned polycarbonate filaments produced tougher parts.
    With price of filament not being a restricting factor, apart from polycarbonate filaments, what other polymer filaments would you recommend, if maximum toughness was your overriding design goal ??
    For example, how does polycarbonate toughness compare to nylon66 ?? (Are they the same thing ??)
    Great video !! (Liked & subscribed !!)

  • @meep7225
    @meep7225 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude that’s really cool but would there be anyway to get a specific wieve of carbon? Also what about the small fibers which can get onto your skin and make you itch I haven’t done carbon work ever it’s just to much of a hazard for me

  • @JohanFasth
    @JohanFasth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It is probably not any dangerous to print with it but as with all types of carbon one should use protection when sanding it.

  • @seppilin351
    @seppilin351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool. This is one of the best 3d printing channels. I have been using Sainsmart ePA-CF filament (75% nylon, 25% CF) to print drone frames. I have been using single wall thickness tube structures to achieve a balance of weight and strength. I have been getting great results, but over a few months, a very rigid frame will become quite flexible, almost floppy. Is this because the print has absorbed water? If so, how can I seal the print to avoid this? Vielen Dank! -Seppi

  • @vdis
    @vdis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about other ESD filament? NinjaTek Eel? What else is there?

  • @N4v1d1
    @N4v1d1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 2:50: SINCE the material is a co-polyester, it causes material to stick to the nozzle/heater block. I get the exact same result (blobs adhering to the print randomly) with PETG. Why do copolyesters behave that way? Is that because they seem to expand when inside the hot section? Thanks to anyone who can help!

  • @kev.3135
    @kev.3135 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sehr gutes Video! Weiter so

  • @authenticdepth
    @authenticdepth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Videos. Sounds a little like Klaus from American Dad.

  • @MigiPeralta
    @MigiPeralta 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can this be made as a structural base for a bicycle accessory?

  • @jamiecurry7240
    @jamiecurry7240 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice, is the finished product conductive?

  • @bevanchrimes2648
    @bevanchrimes2648 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Carbon fibers biggest pro is its strength vs weight. Carbon Fiber PLA is not necessarily stronger but lighter. Its about 25% lighter and of similar strength. I am printing boat parts in Carbon Fiber PLA and it is better than normal PLA. Normal PLA tends to shatter on my boat but the carbon lasts for significantly longer. Also it has great lubrication and wear properties. If people think carbon fiber filament will make their prints stronger then they will be disappointed

  • @bradquinn4161
    @bradquinn4161 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if you reprogrammed the layers? First layer one direction, followed by second layer put down perpendicular to the first. Repeat alternating layer direction through the part. Would that not increase the strength of the part?

    • @hakont.4960
      @hakont.4960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      3D printers already do that actually. When I use "lines" or "zig zag" pattern on the top and bottom layers it will alternate the direction for each layer. With "concentric" pattern each layer will be printed in the same direction.

  • @mrduck12345678
    @mrduck12345678 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    review a reflective filament!

  • @rubensonora2901
    @rubensonora2901 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi CNC Kitchen,
    thank you for sharing this really good review about filament.
    Are your characterization models (temperature, oozing, bridge, overghangs...) available somewhere?
    Thank you.

    • @martinsmith6451
      @martinsmith6451 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the same question about the overhand test model. The Temp tower is available here www.thingiverse.com/thing:3064519

  • @wordreet
    @wordreet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video Stefan!
    I have an Ender 5 on it's way to me, and I intend to print bed supports for it with the XT-CF20 filament. I've also ordered the same nozzle from E3D. I'm thinking I can reduce thickness of the supports if I'm using C/F, do think it's feasible? Alternatively I might print the dual Z axis parts as seen on Thingiverse and go that route. Either way, it's all interesting and fun stuff!!!

  • @kevinaub
    @kevinaub 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's been a while since you posted this video. However, I'd be really curious to know what you think about the CarbonX CF PEEK these days?

  • @samtoshner8002
    @samtoshner8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if it is possible to co-extrude a 3D printable filament around a small bundle of continuous carbon fiber. From what I can tell the chopped stuff is only going to increase rigidity normal to the tool path and in compressive loading or bending moments. But a small CF wire surrounded by thermoplastic would be more akin to the type of automated composite layup tools seen in aerospace manufacturing. The only direction it would not strengthen the material would be tensile loading normal to the fiber orientation, and even that should be pretty close if not equal to the base polymer's strength.

  • @Rapidhearts
    @Rapidhearts 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You forgot to mention one of the properties carbon fibre is most known for and that is weight. I know its an old video now but can someone tell me with identically dimensioned models if carbon fibre is significantly lighter?

  • @dpgoverride
    @dpgoverride 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is that a mini tri-copter you're printing around the 6:30 mark? Great video, I like your style!

  • @bryceswartzwelder4957
    @bryceswartzwelder4957 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stefan, can you post the material resistance if it is conductive? Example how many ohms per meter of filament? Thank you for sharing your great videos!

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not conductive at all, since the fibers do not form a continuous circuit.

  • @AConquerorsVendetta
    @AConquerorsVendetta 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shit I'm glad I read the comments!! Guess I'm not getting carbon fiber nylon after all

  • @normoloid
    @normoloid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see more about ASA, seems to perform good or very good in just about everything.

  • @diego_garcia_cacho
    @diego_garcia_cacho 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about nylon filaments! Awesome dedication to testing

  • @christophertadeo6120
    @christophertadeo6120 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now this is now cutting edge.. 😳... Polyester... 😳

  • @NextLevelCode
    @NextLevelCode 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a video how to slice a temperature test tower like in your video? Using prusia slicer if possible

  • @mikemike7001
    @mikemike7001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's very interesting that the filament needed drying to perform well. Even though it sat on the shelf for a year, it was still sealed in plastic with desiccant. Is it possible to tell when drying will help with a particular filament? Are there any guidelines for drying time and temperature for various materials? This would make a valuable video!

    • @Flagazz
      @Flagazz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as I know PVA and Nylon are the filaments that absorve more humidity, you need to take extra care with those.

    • @mikemike7001
      @mikemike7001 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that's what I thought, but the ColorFabb XT-CF20 tested in this video is a copolyester, Eastman Amphora, presumably PETG. I found an interesting article at www.matterhackers.com/news/filament-and-water that says, "If you have nylon, polycarbonate, or PETG and the spool has been sitting out for more than a day or so, then you likely need to dry it." It also has nice instructions. Think I'm going to try it.

    • @Flagazz
      @Flagazz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh yeah, I have the XT from colorfabb, not this one with carbon fiber, it dripps a lot, Ngen is much better. Make sure to use this filament with a hardened nozzle cause it kills brass nozzle with just 250gr. I tested PLA Carbon Fiber from Protopasta.
      Talking about drying filaments there is a drying box solution, those that dehidrated foods and fruits, you can try to find it here at TH-cam, need an easy adaptation to work with filaments

    • @Flagazz
      @Flagazz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      i’m not a good fan of CF filaments not just because it wear the nozzle, nowadays I have some strong nozzles, but the fibers inside the filament are cutted, it doesn’t perform like the real continuous fiber glass stuffs, it doesn’t bend and broke easy. The major benefit is lightwheight

  • @mikes4d
    @mikes4d 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have the exact same filament siting on the shelf for over a year now, I have to finely print something, thanks for the test @CNC Kitchen :) btw, will you change ever the PEI on the bed on your MK2S?

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Belive it or not, but I finally changed it 2 weeks ago (after these tests) 😁

    • @mikes4d
      @mikes4d 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!, it was bothering me already :) I was going to send you one as I still have 2 original MK2S PEI sheets :)

    • @henmich
      @henmich 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mike, could you learn to spell finally?

  • @d3tach3d
    @d3tach3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    They need like a prepreg type material with apoxy that gets activated once it goes through the head. Maybe there already is something like that, idk