Dragon Ball Super: Broly Angry Movie Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex discuss the latest Dragon Ball Super film in one of Joe's long standing favorite anime franchises of all time! This one aims to bring a fan favorite character in official Canon, how does it do? Find out!
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“There was 30 minutes of fight scenes”
This was supposed to be a criticism, but I think this would sell most Dragon ball fans on the movie
Zac Lambert that was a point I told a friend to hype them up lol
Joe and his friends shouldn’t talk about dragonball
Zac Lambert The movie could have had 1 hour of fight scenes and any DB fan would’ve nutted at the prospect of seeing it in theaters
Right? Like thats the whole selling point of Dragonball!
There was an almost hour of fighting.
"In dragon Ball Z the fights were quick and short"
Goku vs Frieza in DBZ is over 4 HOURS LONG!!! *slow motion* 4 HOUUURRRSS LOOONNNNG
Michael Hewitt-Clarke that was a whole arc tho
Thicc Thighs and Anime Guys still, the fights cut together as one whole was 6 hours long. It’s on TH-cam 6 hours and a few minutes. At least these were separate Frieda and goku spent hella episodes powering up throwing a few punches. About 2 special moves from each. And Frieza cutting himself in half
Cxdy Man I know that was my point the entire arc was a tournament of course it was mainly fights
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke But imagine if the whole tournament was only the last 10 episodes (expanded to that 5 hour length) with Jiren, Top, & Dyspo vs. Goku and friends. Then we'd be around the level of Frieza vs. Goku. And this isn't even considering all the fighting they do with Frieza's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms.
Yeah really
"They gave Broly a personality because of Marvel."
Or maybe they just didnt want a hunk of screaming manflesh.
yeah that was a really retarded point. Like this has been a thing since the 80's for every anime.
Sliced Bread so true bro
"Goku hates Broly because he cried....a lot....for like 2 hours"
Vegeta: "That's so dumb! But he's so cool! But he is literally just a giant baby! UUGGGGHHHHHHHHHH"
Alen S 😂😂😂😂😂
-HE’s DO GOD DAMN COOL
"they took some cues from Marvel" what the fuck does that mean? Not everything is circled around marvel.
Vegeta literally says broly adapts. Even then broly was winning because of his power, not his skill
@Pinkaugust disaster? you are joking right? lol
@Pinkaugust Lol at watching DB for consistency. Are you new?
Pinkaugust of course there are retcons the other Broly movies weren’t canon
@Pinkaugust Criticising Dragon Ball Super for not making sense is like criticizing SpongeBob for it's lack of deeper themes. Dragon Ball is Akira Toriyams pulling shit out of his ass to make cool fights and it's been that way for 20+ years. You know you're not going to get anything else, so calling it a disaster of a movie because it's lacking in things it's never cared about is silly.
@Pinkaugust You do have a point, but I wouldn't call it a disaster of a movie, I think it was enjoyable
Broly powered up so hard he became canon.
so is someone gonna comment about that name and profile pic or?
Oh
😂😂😂
Oh no. yup
OMG i haven't seen you since QuiteShy/shallows vids xD
Angry Joe just needs to play some Fallout 76% Incomplete to get angry enough and become the Legendary Super Saiyan.
All jokes aside as someone that kept playing it until 2 weeks ago it genuinely IS unplayable now due to the constant server crashing from people duping items so he wouldn't get THAT angry cos he wouldn't actually be able to play!
Just Some Guy without a Mustache he’s angry joe. He’s so far into being a super sayain he is a normal sayain
Lol
HAHAHA JUST some guy with a mustache no lie I've seen u on the Funimation app also I love the name I get the joke too BTW I'm a huge fairy tail fan
Actually the site forgot app doesn't have chat
I feel like if they "fixed" the movie the way Alex wanted it, nobody would like it.
@Wparker6804 😂😂😂😂😂😂 wow harsh 😂😂
What he wants would be better in a show not a Dragon Ball movie
The pronblem is that the movie needs to be longer. 1 hour and a half is not enought
@@fredy2041 the movie was too long which is why scenes were cyt from the movie.
C'mon be honest everyone would enjoy the film but not many people would be thrilled to sit 2 hours or more in a sest with limited space.
Not even sure what the maximum amount of film time is allowed to air but there's probably a limit to it.
@@fredy2041 looked it up and guess there is no limit on the runtime of a movie but my other point still stands.
When you complain about fights and screaming in a dragon ball film......
The movie was garbage.
@@abexx8485 your face is garbage.
That's a troll. Don't engage
@@abexx8485 Touché ... everything I've seen from z until this movie was garbage, but I love it, I'm able to turn my brain off and enjoy it like a kid off of nostalgia alone, I don't expect everyone to share my view, i feel the same way about the following things
The first 3 seasons of Jojo's
all DC and Marvel universe films
kick ass
but all these things have talent put behind them that makes them amazing to behold
It was garbage tho.... the story was poor and don’t get me started on the writing. The fights are exactly like anyother db fight (literally throwing each other across the planet not much impact with any hit). What happened to all the other characters lola
"No, I hate you. Well...I hated your father and therefore you. Broly hates Kakarot....because he cried....a lot" - Paragus
Abridged
"I see what you did there"
@@0101wTV thanks for fucking up the inside joke...
You're welcome
My power is....my power is.....Maximumer!!
You guys missed a few key points though from the movie. His dad wasn't just some nobody he was a ranked soldier in the saiyan army. He taught broly everything he needed to know about battle. The only thing broly was missing was actual combat experience against humanoid-like opponents. You can tell that by how much the fighting style actual differs between these 3 as Goku and Vegeta/Gogeta are using martial arts techniques while Broly just powers through. Plus Broly was born with great power and through him surviving on a basically baron wasteland of a planet (didn't even have water btw) was able to have the strength he began the fight with. As to Alex's gripe about Broly just screaming for 30 minutes, it was already explained that Broly was using the power boost from the Great Ape transformation without actually transforming into the Great Ape. In doing so, he basically lost all self awareness and his brain devolved to a primitive state where all he knows is ATTACK. I understand Alex's pov and I'm not saying he's wrong, but his pov is coming from somebody who hasn't watched either BOG or ROF or hardly any super so he doesn't understand how the movies and the show co-exist. Where the movie basically gives you fan service, the show will flesh out the story telling more because it has enough time to do so.... Keep in mind, this movie served it's purpose and that was to introduce Broly, everything else was just for entertainment.
what alex does not understand is that broly fights how whis wished goku and vegeta did. only on instinct without thinking. that together with his latent power is what makes him stronger than beerus
I was just saying this myself did they miss the fact he using the great power without becoming without turning..
*says few key points*
*press read more*
-I’m not reading all that bruh!
@Nick Fletcher. goku said he was and yes he is going on instinct. with more training he will be able to beat whis.
@Nick Fletcher. lol dumbass. Ultra instinct is the state of the gods. Primitive instinct is the state of an animal which is where Broly was at
SPOILER WARNING: The fights in Dragon Ball Super: Broly aren't just fights. There's meaning behind these fights and for Alex to say that there was too much fighting because it was "30 minutes of nothing but him grunting and screaming" is bullshit. For example, just look at Broly's story with his friend and the emotion that went into that scene. Broly was originally introduced to Dragon Ball in the early 90s, but he wasn't canon. Everyone liked him, but he was just introduced as a brute character. He didn't speak much, and all he really said was "Kakarot" because all he wanted to do was kill Goku.
In this new introduction, they made him canon and introduced a different side of the character. He was still a brute, but now he wasn't just a brute for the sake of it. Now, he was just an innocent child being manipulated by his father, who loved Broly but who also wanted his revenge. Broly didn't just fight for the sake of fighting. He fought because of his father and because it was all he knew how to do. He grew up in a desolate planet with nobody and he only had one friend. But, because of his father's pride and vengeful nature, he wouldn't allow Broly to be a child.
This is a complete 180 from his initial introduction, and one that does him justice. Every single act that was taken in the movie shows a specific characteristic from each character. From Vegeta's saiyan pride by attempting to kill Broly for not being worthy; to Goku's peaceful nature by attempting to subdue him so that he wouldn't get killed; to Frieza being plain evil and just killing his father for his own gain. It wasn't just "fighting for 30 minutes." There was a lot more going on within the fights. The fights themselves told a story. There was meaning behind the fights and he clearly didn't understand this.
I understand that he wanted more character development, but for him to say that it was just "30 minutes of grunting" is complete and utter bullshit because he clearly didn't understand the meaning behind the fights. For example, when he sees Vegeta fight Broly, all he'll see is Vegeta fighting Broly. Instead of seeing a prideful Saiyan Prince fighting what's supposed to be a legendary Saiyan. When the prideful prince doesn't deem the legend worthy, then he'll kill him for not being worthy of the race. It's a callback to Vegeta's prideful history, but of course, Alex won't see that, all he'll see is grunting and screaming.
I completely agree with you. When Goku tried to subdue him, his facial expression changed slightly which means Goku kind words reached him even though he lost control. There are a lot of nuances in the fight. I call it proprioception storytelling.
Yeah Alex is a moron
Alex always has been an idiot
it’s a cartoon, relax. Jesus, lol.
@Nick Pyro Probably was Alex's sock account.
But they literally said in the movie the reason why Broly was the way that he was, was because the power of the Great Ape made him go berserk without turning into the ape.
Oh yeah yeah
animegeek3109 oh yea, oh yea yea yea
Agreed
jase276 that’s the first thing I thought of actually. A homage to SS4? Possibly
@@xSkye629x the Oozaru form was never anything close to the power boost Broly got. Its basically like a kaioken x 20.
Its not supposed to push you all the way to ssg level from base. Otherwise the oozarus would've overthrown frieza on a full moon.
Maybe if its stated sometime later in the show that Oozaru can achieve god level, then fine. But as for now it doesnt.
Alex would have LOATHED Caulifla and Kale.
Just like Broly they had to rush their development becsuse they are side characters. Atleast they establish Caulifla is a protege.
Everyone does.
I just hope the Dragon Ball community has the same energy for Broly as they did for Kale and Caulifla their hate was unjustified especially seeing all the things that happened before they were introduced and were fine with
@@Miragexe Yea they suck. Especially Caulifla. What an annoying character and I really do not understand why ppl like them so much.
@@Kincaidu Because she's cool, caring at times with a mean streak , and not to mention the first canon female SSJ. If people hate her so much, they should hate OG Broly just as much.
6:22 “Forgive him. For he knows not what he says or do.”
Akira Toriyama originally wrote a 3 Hour script sadly they Cut a lot out :(
Do you have an actual source on that? I am very curious about it, because I saw other people saying the same thing.
@@spyroschristoulakis6296 There was a Japanese TV interview with the director, Tatsuya Nagamine. If you google it, you can find translations. If you're too lazy, here's the relevant part.
With the exception of action scenes, we’re adapting his screenplay pretty much as-is. However, though we want to be as faithful to it as possible, unfortunately the allotted run time is short. When we first made storyboards for the entire screenplay, a movie that was supposed to only be 90 minutes turned out to be double that length.1 Enough for two whole movies (laughs). Trying to forcefully condense that much content together would make it feel like a clip show, which would be boring, so I consulted with the producers and everyone else involved to whittle down the scenes and make it the proper length. We’re adamant about delivering as much of Toriyama’s script to viewers as possible, so we were able to extend the run time a little bit.
Tv show plot
I would have watched it if it was 3 hours. Because it seems like the ending was kind of rushed.
It was actually an 6 hour script not 3 hours
"I didnt like the 30 minutes of fighting and screaming" Every Dragonball fans reaction..... "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Lol exactly
Is like saying "i didnt like the sex scenes" in a porn movie
Hahahahaha
I do not like this guy in the red shirt at all the whole point of dragon ball is story and long ass fights wtf is wrong with this dude he is not a fan if he said that the fight is pointlessly long fuck off man.
Pretty much the majority of the DB fanbase which is sad -_-
I....kind of don't get the "too many fights" thing. To me, that's like going to wrestlemania and then complaining afterwards "There was too much wrestling!". I mean, you watrch a battle anime for the battles!
If you really want something to focus on character development...go see a drama.
I remember during the fight scenes I was like “this has been like 30 minutes hurry it up”. Needed more story or at least made the fights more interesting, maybe with freeza teaming up with Goku again to handle Broly or some shit
This movie was shit
you're basically dismissing someone who likes a good story. Ne Broly was wasted. At least the old Broly had a back story into his hatred
@@kelbyrock7041 Not to mention fucking up Bardocks storyline aswell
@@BoONeo Bradocks story got retconned ages ago
These guys are so clueless lol
1) original broly’s motivation for having hatred was that goku cried next to him as a baby.
2) new Broly is a a genetic freak, a mutant with latent abilities far beyond any normal saiyan.
3) Broly fought these monsters every single day. Was forced to train by his father EVERYDAY. So he was a genetic mutant that trained everyday for damn near 40 years before arriving on earth. Not even goku trains everyday.
4) new Broly was went super saiyan not because he was so pissed because goku cried next to him as a baby, but because his father was murdered.
The lore of the saiyans has always been that there is a legendary super saiyan. Broly is that legend. What use would it have been that Broly comes into the fold as the legendary super saiyan only to get stomped into oblivion by goku. This isn’t a situation like Rey from Star Wars where the established lore contradicts how unreasonably powerful the character is. Broly is only very strong, he doesn’t know how to use his power.
I don’t get how you can dislike Broly randomly showing up and beating the two most powerful fighters, when in the original version he stomped ALL of the z-fighters easily. In this version he gets his ass kicked multiple times by goku and vegeta and the completely shit stomped by gogeta.
goku trained against dinosaurs and monsters in the original series. They did what they could to show the characters had a somewhat similar background.
Hey, hold up. Did you really claim that Goku, the guy who abandoned his family for years at a time to train, doesn't train every day? You're trolling right?
1) 5:15
Noted in the video sir.
Original Broly was a genetic freak too, the only difference is that he was exiled while in the original film King Vegeta had him "executed".
After his sentence was carried out he whisked Paragus away and trained for years until it became apparent that he will lose control so Paragus put the crown on him to keep him under control.
Personality wise the original was an unstoppable killing machine while this Broly is a soft kind hearted man who is forced to fight.
Truthfully I like the original more than this one. Like everyone else I'm not a fan of the whole crying Kakarot trope but everything else was great in the original. I don't like how they're trying to humanize the Sayains in Super I wish they would keep them as they were in Z. Having them remaining blood thirsty mercenaries is what made Goku special.
And the end of the original, Broly didn't die. The Z Warriors gathered all their energy into Goku and he punched the legendary out of Broly. He survived the comet destroying his planet and makes his way to Earth 7 years later to imitate another glorious round of asswhoopings.
best comment here
Everything is fine as long as Broly doesn't come back as a pile of goo in the sequel.
I dont think there will be a sequel not a movie sequel I mean this plot will be redone for the show when it returns then the sequel will be what ever happens next.
Shhhh we dont talk about that one
@@bradengardiner5124 oh come on! Bio Broly was fun. Stupid, but fun.
@@Darkbeast42 better than second coming. Worse than most DBZ films.
Bio Broly was the definitive dragon ball movie of the franchise.
"I cant listen to him yell anymore" He is a berserk sayain... df you want him to sound like A proper speaking brit?
"He could never go super sayain... then 5 minutes later he can" This guy didnt watch the movie there was an actual flash back (Not just a verbal reference but a visual flashback) of frieza remembering triggering a sayain will push them into this state. Im all for having a non Dbz fan reveiw the movie but at least get someone who pays attention to what they are watching before they actually review it.
Hell if you really think about it... Broly has trained Way more than Goku, he was forced to fight by his father his whole life to survive where Goku had breaks in between and on top of that it was stated he is dangerous THIS is why he was sent off.
P.S Did they really think Whis was threatened by broly? He was giggling the whole 7 seconds while dancing around him.
Exactly, Joe claims to be this big dbz fan when we can all tell hes just a bandwagon fan about almost everything he reviews
Dont compare lil fuckboy monsters tht run off when u shoot there ear to goku's entire body of work
Yea whis wasn't threatened by broly hell most current dbs characters wouldn't be ui goku? No. Kaioken ssb goku? He would probably win too. Ssbe vegeta? Prolly not. Jiren? Hell no. Beerus? Nope. God of destruction toppo? Probably a good fight but no. Hit? Would be close could go either way.
this is basically just a fan having an argument with a regular people
and i love every seconds of it
Couldn’t agree more
I wonder if Alex likes anything
He likes to complain
He gave a ten out of ten to Infinity War
He said he liked this.
Jose Figueroa 21:10
He likes Titans...
if that gives you an idea
"Dammit he's learning as he fights!"
They did explain it.
Alex should go watch Berserk 2016-2017 and then try to say the CGI in the Broly movie was bad
Hell even Overlord. I mean the cgi here makes Overlord look like 2016 Berzerk.
It was still a bit jarring at times. I would prefer a shorter fight if it was done for budget purposes.
😂 👌
But if you're to compare feature movies, the Berserk redux movie to the ceremony was clean and tasteful.
Alex's right to put CG to a higher standard.
@@mrSlicenDice A higher standard implies something meets that standard: how many movies have better 2d/cgi integration than this? I'm sure there are some but how many?
Alex seems like a guy that would say "eh could use more substance" to the godfather trilogy
Godfather trilogy is overrated. Badass AF, but over rated.
He's not a DB fan, and he raised some good objective points. I have, as a DB fan, absolutely loved the movie, but when you aren't into the universe and just see the movie as a standalone it does have it's problems. Not deal breakers, but still problems.
He provided a voice needed in a video like this, so it isn't just a fanboy wank fest.
Godfather is perfect.
Its just not for everyone.
Meh... maybe just the second one. 😉 😂😂😂😂
He is critiquing the movie from an unbiased stand point and he does say he has seen the og dragon ball and z.
Even if you are a fan you can still see the movies short coming Alex is right, the movie could use more story and more development for Broly however I don't agree with him that the movie could use less action that's what Dragon ball excels at and after many lackluster fights in super 30 minutes of almost no intervention for explaining something that the viewer is already seeing.
He did however overlook in the first 10 minutes of the movie they explain how Broly's power was like some sort of mutation and even referenced he might be the Super Saiyan of legend and that most of the time people weren't looking down on Broly they were all saying that he had incredible power potential so he did have his few errors from the context of the movie.
I loved it, but I have one downside: it felt short for how good this movie is. I would've had no problem if the movie was 3 hours long, like it was originally intended. But they'll continue the story through the shows, obviously.
Parminder Singh true..but tbh I think this was the longest db movie ever
@@ezpzx1095 I hope so too
8:16
That's where I call bull shit.
Goku did the same thing. and before people bring up. Oh, Goku trained his whole life
SO DID BROLY.
They straight up said that he trained most of his life and didnt even have any friends because his dad made him train. If you really want to think about it. he trained even more than Goku ,because Goku at least had some down time and have fun with his friends. But broly trained non stop for 40 years
Tru I think if they acknowledged the whole Legendary Super Saiyan concept in the movie instead of implying it, it would be easier to understand how things like instant transmission and Super Saiyan just seemingly came naturally to Broly while fighting.
@@aurawolf664 ...Broly never used Instant Transmission. It's a common trope in Dragon Ball that characters can simply move faster than the eye can see and it makes it appear as if they're teleporting around, it happens all the time. And he had a super high base power level and watched his father, one of the only people he had any connection with, die in front of him. That's pretty much how Goku became a Super Saiyan, have a high power level and get super pissed off.
@@aurawolf664 i believe the move broly was using is called zanzoken (afterimage) or at the very least something similar to that
He trained more than Goku but Goku also fought way more powerful opponents than Broly ever has. A Saiyan's strength comes from the fact that the more battle experience they have and the closer they come to death the stronger they become. We see it with Vegeta when he drastically powers up twice on planet Namek. Goku also had access to better tech/bullshit to aid his training like the 100X gravity machine, the time chamber, and even had a godlike being as a training instructor.
Broly's whole deal is he has an insane latent power inside of him and is able to use all the strength of the great ape in his human form even though he loses control of himself. It was actually a new form that I called Super great ape saiyan since we see his eyes turn gold. He was so used to fighting like that his body was able to actual retain knowledge on his opponent and learn on the fly to adapt and even power himself up to match his opponent's strength.
I fucking loved this movie. I thought it had the biggest budget out of any other dragonball film and it showed. It is my favorite dragonball film so far and I love the first Broly film. Broly was kind of a dumb villain in the original but we get to see some real character development and motivations with him and his father. It is a totally different version of the character and one I am welcome to see as part of the canon in dragonball super.
Yeah, but Goku fought consistently tougher enemies and Broly just beat on the same animals over and over
They should just give Alex his on show “Alex ruins everything”
I can see him having a channel talking about wine as he whines about movies
Hes more objective, Joes a dbz fanboy.
MPT1983 most reviews I’ve personally seen him in it’s always yea buuuut then shits on it not just DBZ
@@West_760 Hes just not as easily impressed, he doest shit on movies just points out flaws more openly
Why can't you listen to people's opinion and try to understand their view...
Angry Joe's Broly and Kale fanfiction: Fifty Shades of Green
Chirai's skin is green. Coincidence? I think not!
Dear God. Broly and Kale? That would be some earth-shattering sex... _literally_
Where the hell is the BADASS Seal of Approval?!
BlackScape don’t think he gives those out for movies.
Ikr
Amplify Magic yes he does he gave one to INFINITY War
paramount, viacom, nickelodeon, japantv, funimation, lions gate, EA, activision, bungie, AND atari all copyright tookdown his seal. so now it's just joe going "meh" but knowing those rich jews, they will somehow take this away from him too i'm pretty dern sure.
@@deejaypoopoo7370 wait how tf can they do something like that
On the subject of Broly learning quickly. Goku did the same in dragonball. He learned the kamahamaha after only seeing it one time from Master Roschi.
It's kinda canon that Saiyans instinctually learn stuff quickly.
Vegeta learned how to sense ki, just by fighting/watching the Zfighters. Pretty sure it's just a plot tool, but at the very least its hella consistent.
Techniques yes, but it took years of training for even Goku to develop his raw strength.
@@patrikalos5301 But goku was a weak LOW CLASS SAIYAN. Broly is a saiyan who rivaled the king of saiyans as a baby.
@@patrikalos5301 he was also born 5000 times weaker then broly. Literally.
@@AlphaNinjaFTW1 actually he was far ahead of the king. Or was 10k power level when he was sleeping
The original Akira Toriyama script is 3 hours long. Its rumored if the show returns and they re-tell the broly movie in tv form they might use the 3 hour script.
But you will trade a longer script for good animation
@@SirIron23 I love both
The animation and art style will be nowhere near as good, though. Super blows ass.
@@SirIron23 We have the movie already. It's fine to see how the creator wanted it to be in an actual series like super.
If they do that like they did with the last two movies then the Broly arc is going to be longer and more in-depth
"The fight was too long"
"Hes just all of the sudden super saiyan"
Uhhh.... he is bested throughout the "drawn out fight" until he is pushed into becoming a super saiyan, which is where he actually gains the upper hand.
Also, broly is not introduced as a nobody in the slightest. The enti re reason he was outcast was necause of his latent potential. The whole movie he is portrayed as this uncontrollable beast, so it's not unearned when he breaks through his ceiling.
And he wasn't just all of a sudden a super Saiyan, he literally saw his father dead and you become the super Saiyan from a HUGE amount of rage like seeing a loved one killed.
right?vegeta was whooping brolys ass until broly started adapting
Dragon Ball Super Broly would be right at home on Toonami in the late 90's.
Its nice seeing you on every db related video. It shows you watch a lot and keep track of everything that's going on in the community.
No doubt. He’d have his own spinoff by now if that was the case
@@deejaypoopoo7370 Why so negative my guy?
Toonami, you can watch every day for a week and both fighters will still be powering up. Toonami is why I don't like DBZ, too much filler and not enough plot per episode. The movies don't have the same issues and are far more enjoyable.
@@aaronb9630 Thankfully I don't watch toonami
Lol 30 minute fight compared to fkn 45 episode fights lmao, part of me doesn’t think he has ever seen dragon ball in general
Broly is a barbarian he wasn't beating them using high-level martial arts he was simply overpowering them. He was using a lot of Stomps and throws and clothes lines not one for the using high-level martial arts in the movie. If he actually trained in martial arts Broly would have likely won the fight.
Brad Huddleson yeah it would have been a wash
tbh idk. Vegeta told even said that he was learning as he fought. Broly has INSANE potential because of that. True, if Broly knew how to truly fight he woulda prob wiped them both alot faster but Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta? Idk man. That form, now that fucking gogeta is canon, is kinda retarded strong. Defeating a fully powered legendary super saiyan that had that type of power? And STILL not even going all out? We'll prob see it in the future tho that now Broly may be able to turn into a good guy. If he can control that form then its very possible.
Are you dumb he's sheer power
@@alstroker878 he's not just sheer power. He was learning as they fought through insanely high intuition. Even when they went into gogeta, Broly was still learning as they fought and doing it rapidly. Main reason they had to go into ssj gogeta which still wasnt enough. Then broly quickly went into LSSJ form and shrugged off a fully powered punch from SSJ Gogeta like it was nothing. So then he went blue and won lmao. underestimating broly, he never had the ability to learn like a regular saiyan would but now he is
@@sundragonbro2080 imagine if it was broly that lived gokus life, it's scary just imagining how powerful he would be
I always hate watching these because Alex is never satisfied, he’s always complaining
He sucks
@@ezpzx1095 Which is no way to watch a movie. Why watch a movie just to find the flaws and miss major plot points?
In this one i disagree with almost anything he said
I agree Alex ruins this every fucking time for me
Idk, I don’t wanna come off as a dick it’s just anytime I see him he’s always negative about whatever he just watched, this one just urced me because it’s dragon ball, something he said he knew little about yet he criticizes everything including a long fight scene.
Okay Alex clearly needs to go back and watch Dragon Ball Z because has he seen how long their fights have been?! He's complaining about a movie that had 30 minutes of fighting when literally we had Goku vs. Frieza, the longest anime fight in history! Plus the way Broly caught up to Goku and Vegeta was way more realistic than the powerscaling with Kale and Caulifla, and how they somehow were able to compete with Goku! Broly was getting knocked back by Goku and Vegeta, but because of his incredible, increasing power level, he was able to learn and grow as he kept fighting! And his Super Saiyan transformation was earned because he raged after seeing his dad die! Rage triggers the Super Saiyan transformation! Go ahead and talk about how Broly's power was unearned because of how little time it took for him to get so strong, but at least they actually did take some time developing his power! It was shown in the backstory and fighting! With Kale and Caulifla however, they took no time whatsoever developing their power! For the Super Saiyan transformation, rage was replaced with tingle in backs, and despite no understanding of what kind of training they went through, they somehow were able to compete with God Saiyans!
You couldn't even destroy Namek in this movie's run time.
Dude.. Honestly, I don't agree with you on the Kale and Caulifla part. U6 Saiyans are naturally strong and have more potential than U7 Saiyans. Them catch up in the tournament was realistic. Plus, them somewhat and almost overpowering Kakarot was simply 2 reason. Reason #1 and the biggest reason was that he was in a weakened state. Fighting on low energy. Base Kakarot fought off a ssj Caulifla. In a weakened stare mind you not. Yeah he was doing good against them but he was still weakened. So it's understandable that they could stand against him. Kakarot was the one with the absurd power boost. He went from Being Ssb against Kale their first fight to ssj2 in a weakened state with an even stronger Kale and holding his own against two saiyans. So honestly, the shit with Kale and Caulifla was very reasonable. Was in a weakened state going against their fusion Also. If he was back up to full power, he would've shat on them. Literally.
@@Cloudx0x when you heard that u6 sayain are stronger? Because i follow one of the biggest fan in france( yes im french) and he speak japanese! And he said power scaling of kale and the other are broken! " but masako said" yes he said but it was a THEORIE!!! Like a guess! Or a non official explanation!
@@clapointe151 I never said they were stronger than Kakarot. They just have more potential.
@@Cloudx0x ok then why have they more potential
I also argue that Broly being this powerful isn't unearned. The character itself was written as a prodigy so powerful that King Vegeta was like "uhh.. no." and on top of that he grows up on this desert planet. That isn't just Tarzan. That is Conan. He's probably been fighting for his actual survival every single day for thirty years or something. I totally buy a legendary Saiyan prodigy being raised in fucking squalor on a shitty rock planet being a serious menace. The kid has no fighting style, but he has raw and unbridled Oozaru power pretty much constantly throughout the fight. He's not just going SSJ or even LSSJ. He's souped up by Oozaru aka the thing so dangerous that Vegeta and Goku willingly removed their tails so they wouldn't turn into giant monster apes. That form is POWERFUL. So you've got an immensely powerful ape form combined with being a legendary prodigy AND you lived your entire life on a shit planet AND you are just going all-out rage mode with no thought in your head? Yeah you're gonna pummel somebody like Goku even at his highest form.
And the series itself even delivers a nice insight why that is. Oozaru doesn't think. Oozaru acts on instinct in fights like an animal, but it's giant and clumsy. This is Oozaru but small and he doesn't think, but he relies on his instinct. Yeah, that kind of power can be compared to Ultra Instinct in my eyes. Ultra Instinct's main benefit is after all that you stop THINKING about your moves and you just do them. That's the reason why Goku is so silent as UI Goku against Jiren. He doesn't shit talk, he rarely grunts, he is fully concentrated and basically flows into the fight with no thought and just pure instinct. Oozaru is that, but it's also giant and clumsy and destructive and mad. But Broly manages to leave out the giant and clumsy part.
couldn't have said it better !
try living on bug world for 41 fucken years.
One thing tho vegeta can control his great ape transformation
yeah but Ultra Instinct is to much for Broly...its amaizing that hes stronger than ssj blue...now if Broly goes ssj blue then his opponents better bring an extra pair of underware to the fight
In the tournament of power legendary super sayian was equal to blue, especially fusion version was even greater. Took ultra instinct Goku to win
This movie was Absolutely perfect..These Fight scenes legitimately gave me goosebumps..Absolutely amazing movie, And I actually started sympathizing with broly...
@michael William church bro.
@Zulhazwan Hamzah bro its decent at best shit was all over the place dude Is nothing like a saiyan at all u miss the 90's broly is presence was known
This movie action was great. The story and plot is absolute trash and straight up pandering. Toriyama most def has Alzheimer’s because this is not the DBZ I grew up with
@@itza8334 THat's the idea. The dragon Ball you grew with, I grew with, and we all grew with wouldn't work just like it did in the 90's. The world of manga and anime evolved and so has to do Dragon Ball.
IF the show never ended and kept going, it could have worked, but no. The show stopped and other manga/anime showed how that formula could have been improved. Period.
@@itza8334 bro how is it trash… it’s paper thin like it’s supposed to for a character like Broly… it’s not a Shakespearean piece. Have you seen the original Broly movie? This one’s even better and people love the original
They made it clear that he had more LATENT energy than goku and vegeta so that’s why he had such an edge over them, so it doesn’t really matter how much they have trained... THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF BROLY
Also it's been shown that as a fight goes on that their fighting skills can improve and someone who was giving them trouble earlier in a fight they can start to match.
it was the whole point of gohan too if i remember. while peple, and akira toiyama himself, make parallels betewen goku and broly, there is more between gohan and broly. they likely have the same kind of untapped power but broly is more likely to unleash it
nah the point of broly is the hype. we bearly knew anything about broly but after a quick tantrum he goes from super sayian to god level just cause. at least the old broly movie established the threat of his character before the fight. this broly's power seems to be driven purely by plot similar to kale.
I have a feeling that in the anime series, they’ll explain that he’s like the hulk of DB.
Basically, Broly's like the Brock Lesnar of the Saiyans.
Broly is a bro now.
BROly :P
I don't hate Alex for giving his opinion, even if it turns out to be unpopular. So long as the opinion is explained. Keep up the good work guys.
Of all the reviews I've seen him in, his opinion is so negative of the movies he's watched.
@@buttons551 its called being critical. He is not answering the question: was this fun to you? He is asking what are the objective merits, techniques and craftsmanship at work in this script.
I dont like him.
@@khaoscero I have never once seen this man say anything positive about anything.
@@buttons551 only when the bitch dick rides Marvel
I feel as if this guy didnt pay attention.
Like broly wasnt some nobody, he was already born powerful.
The whole point is that his power would drive him mad, because of how it built up so quickly.
Add the fact he wasnt ever civilized.
Was used by his dad to be a tool for his revenge, who kept giving him shock therapy, traumatizing him.
And his ascension in power made sense.
Its not that hes way more powerful than goku cause well goku still had ultra instinct
Its more that they could not put broly down, even by the end where they completely kick his ass, he just kept getting more powerful, he just had no limit, but eventually he was just outmatched like how hulk was vs thanos, all that power wont protect him forever.
Which is why broly loses in the end had the dragonballs not saved him
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Only thing I gotta interject is that UI is a technique not a power boost. It was bad ass when Goku tried going ui off the bat
BuggersTV I don’t think he tried to go UI, I think breaking through Broly’s power that was encapsulating him nearly made him go into it. However he doesn’t remember how to use UI, if you’ll remember the final episode of super he says he can’t use it anymore. If Goku used that ssb kaioken Broky might’ve gotten his cheeks slapped. Then again gogeta had to use ssb so probably not.
@@absolutelynologic8099 oh I thought I saw something when he was turning blue cause his eyes were going grey and dark aura and shit was erupting around him but he couldn't get there again so he went blue if he went blue kaioken broke would've went ssj4 with all those zenkai boosts lol
Broly was a freak of nature. His power, Its un earned because he was born that strong. He had a monster powerlevel at birth.
-spoiler bellow-
Broly went even further, out of control and gaining a monster power boost after Frieza killed his dad. It made sense to me. Brolys power is untapped and raw. He still doesnt know what he’s doing in the way Goku and Vegeta do.
Oh you mean when he went SUPER SAIYAN!!!
You can also see it when Goku and Broly are fighting for the first time in the movie. Goku's movements are controlled whereas Broly is pure rage.
shh Broly fanboys dont like Logic. :D But i am on your side.. Brolys Power and combat prowess was bullshit.. 2 Martial Art geniuses vs someone who never had a real fighter to train with. Fuck ya @SusBusGaming
SusBusGaming I mean you could tell Goku and Vegeta weren’t fighting like in ToP, it just seemed like they were testing Broly’s limits while also getting their asses kicked at the start.
So what you’re saying is, Broly’s power...IS MAXIMUMER.
To give a fair counterpoint to Alex. Broly didn't beat Goku and Vegeta because of training or needing training. He isn't a better fighter than them, not at any point whatsoever during the film. Broly was BORN stronger and with greater potential than anyone. The film adresses that. That also means, because transformations are multipliers, that if his base is stronger, his transformed power will be too. Broly beat Goku and Vegeta with raw strength, not technique. And i think that the movie actually portrays that VERY well. Broly runs around, throws goku into the environment, throws punches and energy balls wildly. It's the kind of fighting a berserker WOULD do. Doesn't matter if goku and vegeta have better technique if those don't harm Broly.
I hope you people stop shitting on Kale and Caulfla. Both of them had a fuck ton more fighting experience than Broly but here I see everyone making excuses for Broly a dude who never got into a real fight and punked God Goku
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame so he gets more props, cale is product placement and caulifla is annoying, cabba learned ssj first and for no reason at all the both of them shits on him. It's stupid.
@@captaincap4931 Nah keep that same energy for Broly baised ass Dragon Ball community.. Literally in the first real Super arc they said U6 and U7 are not only mirrors but U6 saiyans were stronger at their point compared to U7 meaning naturally Caulfla and Kale would be strong but they weren't as strong as Broly and they have combat experience. Also Cabba is more akin to Vegeta, Caulifla is more akin to Goku, and Kale is more akin to Broly and Caulifla was established as a protege from the jump.
You people had 0 issues with Trunks and Goten turning SSJ or any of the bullshit in Super but as soon as 2 female saiyans step on the scene you people start REEEEing about them
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame that's not the point, and never was it stated U6 saiyans were stronger so throw that fucking head cannon nonsense in the trash, I said it was fucking retarded how cabba got it first, and they fucking fly past him by going lssj and ssj2 , nobody's talking about them being females, I was hyped until I realized they were fucking annoying so foh.
they had more experience but at no point was kale noted as a prodigy. she wasnt born with some obsurd power level at birth like broly was
this being one of the key aspects of brolys lore, is he was born with something like a 10,000 power level. BORN stronger then goku's base form was during his first fight vs vegeta.
were as kale is shown in the anime (not the manga) as a emotionally frail girl who somehow becomes female broly out of literaly know where. and caulfla just gains super saiyan from nothing.
i liked there characters in the actual tourny of power. her getting stronger as she fought goku but eventually capping out to the point she had to fuse because he was just that much more experienced was really good. but she turned super sayian the first time simply because she wanted too..which made no sense in a universe that hasnt seen super saiyans seemingly ever. if they had simply gone the "i already knew how to go super saiyan" route id think most people wouldnt look down on her. but they trivialized the transformation MORE then goten and trunks did (because atleast they had parents who became super saiyans or were at the time). then they turned kale into OP god mode (which she mastered in less then 20 minutes in universe...despite not being shown as being a prodigy or a genius fighter)
broly at the very least explains his power more, hes the prodigy of prodigys. hes bascially another goku but born as a ultra high class warrior
broly is what goku would of been had he been born stronger. which is logical
kale and caulfla dont really have any of that in super. theyre introduced quickly to push the story along
caulfla is refered to as a genius, but kale (the actual female broly) just so happend to be super strong. yet she masters her rage form in less time then it took goku to master ultra instinct. with goku hes been shown that hes expectional, time and time again. theres alot of story to prove this. yet kale, was shown as being frail and afraid. i mean she turned super saiyan simply because she felt useless (not a bad reason tbh, better then Caulfla) yet she masters this rage form. by magic i guess
all of this being said, fighting experience =/= power. kale and caulfla def had more fighting experience then broly (somthings better then nothing), neither of them really had that much
this is why goku was able to take on both K and C despite the massive power difference.
(also cabba is introduced as one of if not THE best saiyans in universe 6...then they go on to show caulfla is far better. so why didnt beerus's brother take HER instead of cabba to the U6 vs U7 tourny.)
Why let a non fan dictate the discussion?
because both a fan and non-fan are needed so the review is fare
@@alphaleonis6252 yes but this movie is in an established universe with a continuity. Yeah get his opinion on whether he enjoyed it or not, but don't let him critique something he doesn't understand. Some of his gripes were addressed either in the film, or the set ups from super.
@Pinkaugust damn. I'm gonna have to strongly disagree which you can already guess. I've been a fan for over 20 years too and thought it was awesome. What didn't you like?
@Pinkaugust i get what you're saying about the goku looking older when sent off thing, but I thought your other gripes were positives. Broly was more fleshed out as a character and not a one note guy. Saiyan culture was more fleshed out too. Broly and bardock are finally canon. Frieza thing made it fun and in line with his experiences. Broly still the legendary saiyan so things can be explained with that and living on a hellish planet. SSG was a thing before this movie. I don't think broly will totally be a good guy, foreshadowed frieza will try to manipulate him again. Yeah maybe vegeta should have cared about his father more but I don't think he cared about anyone except himself till he met bulma and started a family. Anyway, this isn't a debate, rather just an exchange of opinions. Hopefully you can still enjoy the db world after this.
@Pinkaugust i said i agree vegeta should have cared, he was a kid at the moment and didn't know they were killed by frieza yet. They were told it was an asteroid so no avenging needed yet. Also I don't prefer super to db or dbz, I just enjoyed this movie. Whining about a character not being exactly like a non canon version is useless. They only made minor changes to broly. We can agree to disagree, but don't come off like I'm no fan or don't get the characters.
i am completely unable to separate my fanboy love from my critical thinking so i say Alex is wrong and does not understand what makes Dragonball good.
Absolutely agreed.
He he’s just an og Broly fanboy.
I'm a fan boy also but damn it's crazy how much people are giving this a major pass.. there was plenty of bad cgi and animation and background moments still good animation but plenty of wtf this is cheap animation looking.. and don't say there wasn't every while I noticed a few bad moments
daniel cheyne The only time there was “bad” 2D animation was during funny scenes for a comical effect, like when Vegeta is mimicking the fusion dance, or characters that are very far and not in the center of the screen, you clown.
chunkycake101 The fucking idiot had to take a second to remember that the Fusion Reborn movie wasn’t canon, and even called Turles Vegeta’s brother. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Broly is the child of destiny, the chosen one. If he grew up with the Saiyans, freeza and beerus would have been killed. Their scheming to prevent this was countered by Vegeta's exiling of him, which saved him. Goku was basically the backup child of destiny, who never would have went to earth, fight freeza and become a super Saiyan.
Something I think you missed Joe; The nuances in each super saiyan form fighting style. They're all slightly different in the way Vegeta and Goku fight. Some of it is down to the fact there always initially much more powerful than Broly when transformed but Broly swiftly catches up. They start to struggle and transform further. There's a larger difference in SSG though. Both Vegeta and especially Goku seem MUCH more composed. Think Neo at the end of the first Matrix movie. It looked like Goku was doing Tai-chi.. like a more peaceful enlightenined fighting style. I loved this element and I don't think it got enough credit.
Yeah you are right. Goku changed his fighting style with every form. It just shows how much of a martial artist genius Goku is.
This guy: I’m a huge DBZ fan
...goes on to get tons of facts wrong and doesn’t pay attention to the movie
old Broly was garbage, his movies were garbage, his motivation and character arc were garbage, this is 10000X better
He was only garbage from a critic standpoint though. We can all agree that there was no character development or even a good enough reason to why he hated goku. HOWEVER, Broly was not garbage. He was such a badass that he carried the movie (besides the trash ending of the fight) and had me and my friends as a kid love it.
Not really he was a villain there was no need for him to be relatable when he was clearly a psychopath.
taylor kxng he sure was a badass but this new Broly is very relatable and can join Z fighters as well in my opinion.
Not only that, three hours of script was reduced to 1 hour 40 mins so there was more to Broly which had to be cut down.
Old Broly was a basic, plank of a villain. In a world of unique and interesting villains, Broly is just generic by comparison. Which is why Super Broly is better, they went beyond making him a "villain of the week" character.
Justin Y. Come at me with facts or get the fuck out, pussy
Please God of dragon Ball
Forgive Alex... for he does not know what he says 🙏
🤣
Beerus will Hakai him, so you won't have to pray for long 😂 gods do not telerate heresy
You're praying to Dende.
Lord Zephyros Perfect
Or maybe you are the one that is Blind...
Xeno is getting ready to erase him now
when goku trolled frieza by leading broly into him...i literally lol'd.
His father explained why he was so powerful he was able to use oozaru power in human form that’s why he was also out of control
Basically Super Saiyan 4 lol
Forgive him, forgive him. I apologize lol
I get why Joe apologized, it was such a weird complaint for a Dragon Ball movie
I actually agree a little bit. It was so nice seeing the characters and getting some story, that the extra long fights felt a little too long. Just because I wanted more of the world lol.
Steve Valle the fights weren’t long enough tbh
The over the top long fights its the entire point of dbz lmao
@@microblast3700 The fights were insane. However, like I said, I was enjoying the stories and other characters so much that I wish there was more time spent on that. I wouldnt have cared about the long fights if the movie was longer too.
"We had 30 minutes of him grunting and screaming. That's all he did the entire movie." Yeah I'm call that a fat load of bull coming from Alex. Broly did not just grunt and scream, his character was developed, showed how he thought, felt, and saw the world. He's one of the top characters who's had the most development development in the whole franchise. We don't see Broly as just some muscle bound meathead that screams a lot, we see a human side to him, this poor boy who's gentle at heart but forced into becoming a living weapon, someone who wields unimaginable power but has such difficulty controlling it, someone who struggles with his personal demons, we see him as a real character.
Chris Manager That’s not his story in the new film.
@@chrismanager9615 You didn't even watch the film.
@@chrismanager9615 Well well well, here's someone that didn't watch the movie, want to join the conversation and made himself looked like a fool. They changed the origin of Broly in this movie lmao
@@chrismanager9615 I hope this is a bait lol
But that is all that he did. He always lost his mind thanks to the whole great ape bs. After the fight began, his personality was gone. The old Broly had a personality, too. Everyone is so quick to dismiss it. But, the old Broly cracked jokes, he mocked the Z fighters, and was a cruel bastard. And HE, at least, kept his MIND. And, It was sooo refreshing seeing someone absolutely destroy the Z fighters with minimal effort. That being said, I hope they'll have him in the series, which I'm assuming they will, so they can flesh him out more.
angry joe ➕ other joe ⚌ another joe
No. It equals SUPER SAIYAN Joe!
FU-SION-JOE!
@@Mr6ixmusic ha! It works!
Jojito
Jogeta
Brolly is the legendary super saiyan. He doesn't need to work as hard as goku or vegeta to raise his power. Brolly needs to learn how to control his power.
Ikr, the middle guy doesn't know anything, he doesn't talk too much and grunts alot because he was alone for soooo many years wtd he gonna talk the only thing the he knows is fighting, the other thing ks that he's complaining about the strength of broly... dude he the legendary super saiyan and born with very high power level.
@@petermad7476 exactly!!!. He has a natural ability to increase power that a regular saiyan can't do that easily. You can tell it was that way since broly was a baby.
@@angelvalentinmojica6967 de verdad que el tipo no sabe nada de lo que habla.
Goku and Vegeta are the legendary ssj too... and Gohan... and Goten and Trunks
@@TheSwooj No they aren't. They just learned how to use the SS transformations. Broly is a special Saiyan, once in a millenia, with the power of the Legendary Super Saiyan. It's a whole different power.
id have to say your wrong about that 36:00 because goku learned the kamehameha just by seeing it once
Broly is so strong because he channeled the Ōzaru power without becoming an Ōzaru
The new broly is basically a canon ssj4 since he's got the oozaru power while hes human and his rage multiplies his power. WHICH IS AWESOME !
This was a better Broly in my opinion.
Yes! He actually had a way better character and backstory this time.
Although old Broly had a better soundtrack. I love Blizzard but considering there was no theme drop like in Battle of Gods... Missed opportunity
@@Blue-qi4tl The songs "Kakarot vs Broly" and "Broly vs Gogeta" fit the bill for me good enough.
old Broly had more potential.
Agree too bad the movie sucked
That ending send off with AJ kinda hinting about something and the way Alex was looking at him... Gets me thinking if we'll about to see more of the future board game there developing later.
The Universal Fighting System! Set 1 was Street fighter, I forgot what set 2 was supposed to be, but set 3 was DB; I'm thinking they moved DB to set 2 and we will see it very soon
@@shantiboomj the other set was suppose to be Mortal Kombat if I'm not mistaken
GO BROLY!! GO BROLY!! GO BROLY!!
GO-GE-TA!! GO-GET-TA!! GO-GE-TA!!
worst part of the movie for me. took me out of the movie so hard
am i the only one that absolutely LOVES this part?
@@Azol570 It's not that bad but yeah I disliked it too
@@Azol570 I rlly liked the song it grew on me LOL
I thought this was awesome
THE SONG WITH THE CHANTING WAS THE BEST PART! it was like a wwe announcement thing.
Was looking forward to this one Joe
Eyyyyy big ups
Wassup fornever
Yo Fornever! You going to come up with your own review too? :D
Edit: Okay nevermind, just saw the new vids on your channel, will check them out soon!
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Superman beats Goku
Shut up you're ugly
I don't think Alex seems to understand that Broly is basically the Hulk of Dragon ball
@Merciless Freak Think about it this way.
Thor is literally the GOD OF THUNDER! and has trained for most his life to be an elite fighter whereas the Hulk is just a big angry green monster that just fucks everyone up in the same way Broly does
Merciless Freak have you watched the top arc?
He kinda wasn't that much in the original film tho, he was more like the juggernaut.
In the original while lssj he was a sadistic shit talker. The new one he's feral.
Old Broly is kinda like SSJ2 Gohan personality wise.
New one is Hulk/Start of Z Gohan
What is that supposed to mean? Last time i checked hulk didnt have a good movie, and his character is meh af.
@@UPLAYTHATGAME "Hulk is meh"
OK stop projecting your opinions. Broly is literally knockoff Hulk.
I just watched the movie and the first thing I wanted to do was come here and clear a couple of things out which people might have missed due to the insanely fast action. Broly, as stated numerous times, is a fighting prodigy. A Legend among Legends. The creators are taking the basis of Broly from his first movie and are incorporating it into this one. Hence, they saved cost which could have been burned up into creating a battle montage.
The second point being, when Broly was first introduced, the power scales had not reached the crazy heights we are used to now, so, I can understand how people may find it weird. Essentially, we just need to remember that Broly has a latent potential which he just tapped in during the film. Like Gohan and his famous ssj2 transformation or Goku going into Ultra Instinct.
the last point I wanted to make is the fact that Broly never had an upper hand in terms of skills and technique. Vegeta and especially Goku showed his mastery over various martial arts during the entire length of the movie. Some of them were even so subtle, I had to rewind the fight to get a clearer look. It's so good to have his characters go back to its goofy roots.
but, yeah..that's all about it. The story sometimes is subpar (which may have turned this way because Toei wanted this one to appeal to both, Western as well as the Japanese audience) but the fight sequences, animation, and characters are extremely likable.
Of course Alex doesn't like it...
He's a hard guy to please. He literally said minus 3 for bad CG. Cant tell if he was joking or not, but based on how he is he probably wasn't. It's cool to have a different opinion, but sometimes it feels like he has issues with things that aren't as big a deal as he makes them out to be
no he like it, he even say he like this movie
He said he enjoyed it..
@@SonGokuuuuuuu shhh if its not 8 or above its trash for these ppl :p
Well he’s not a dumbass blind fanboy that sucks the dick of every DB entry.
Actually... for Alex, the reason why the last third of the film was just a giant fight scene was because it was development for Broly.
It was to literally bring him up to speed to show how much of a fighting prodigy Broly was.
Is it unearned? Yes.
Because he is meant to be unearned, pure untapped potential.
On the "Bad CG", I would say that it is "Obvious CG". It did not mesh well at some points.
idk if we can say unearned black was doing the same thing to keep him on par in the saga.The days of dragged out progress are gone.
That's the whole point of Broly and always has been, he's naturally gifted to be strong, and this is what King Vegeta wanted his son to be like and Vegeta did live his life with this mentality. There's no point asking for a training montage for Broly.
Frieza killed his father that's how he went super and Frieza knew that would happen bcuz of planet namek wen he killed Krillin........... Fans my ass
Frieza didn't kill Paragus. He was hit by a stray energy blast. Didn't *you* watch the movie? Lol
@@EternalStorm796 Woosh
@@hgetgbg2e1f what.
Freeza killed him
Lol
Watching Joe get progressively disappointed with Alex was with merit, Fire himmmm!
It had no merit. Alex had an opinion, Joe wanted to shoot him down bc he was speaking from emotion.
@@MarviMofoVarietyShow Alex was being overly critical about a DB super movie. Which is surprising because he's seen dbz
@@sython135 overly critical bc he didn't like the aesthetics of CGI models mixed with traditional hand drawn art? How is that overly critical? That is his opinion and it's an opinion I happen to share with him although I don't agree with other things he says.
I agree with Alex. Dragonball fan since I was born pretty much...
@@MarviMofoVarietyShow referring more to the fact that he is bitching about 30 minutes of high octane DB action..
The DB Super manga has started the post tournament of power arc.
Shadowskill11 how has that been
Talib Kweli the first two chapters of it are far better than the entirety of the DBS manga arcs before it.
@@thebadburrito1394 yeah, a space trooper fucks vegeta and now they are figthing a goat. great.
The Bad Burrito That is because Toriyama hinself is on hands to guide Toyotaro this time.
They keep calling it a trilogy of movies but it’s not a direct sequel Resurrection F it’s like the next arc in the anime
You could watch it right after Resurrection F and you'd understand everything.
Hamlock no you wouldn’t if you never super and only the movies then you wouldn’t know what the tournament of power is and why Frieza is alive again or why Beerus and whis are still with Goku and Vegeta and Vilma can stand up to him
Hamlock No the fuck you wouldn’t. Are you a fucking clown? And even still, it’s not a trilogy. He’s wrong.
This movie was meant for the fans and not some shmucks and I will say it delivered. The character development that Broly got was needed and I'm glad they took a different angle than a simple Goku voice that makes him go psycho. First movie was a classic but this Broly seemed more relatable and god damn that 30 minute fight was like 20 DBZ episodes packed into one without the staring contest.
The movie was straight trash.
@@abexx8485 pretty fucking useless comment if that's all you can reply with to someone who actually explains their opinion.
@@mikeasmussen7548 ik he's saying the same thing just to upset anyone with an opinion
Abel Rojas ok so are you going to provide any constructive or valid criticism to support your point about this movie being trash?Oh wait you won’t because you don’t have any.
They turned him into a timid little bitch the old broly wouldve killed everybody and talked shit while he did he was a true saiyan this guy just reminds me of timid grizzle bear wheres the saiyan pride tht old broly had dude destroyed half the galaxy
there seems to be confusion here:
Broly is stated to be a MUTANT which is why he's so strong. the "legendary ssj" nonsense was abandoned for the movie outright in favor of just making him a genetic mutation. it's a subtle throwback to the Ginyu force only being strong because they were all mutants, King Cold's family only being strong because they are mutants, Gohan+goten+Trunks because they are genetically saiyajin/human hybrids, etc. it's definitely something that isn't gonna be totally understood by someone who doesn't follow the series or by someone who never reads the manga. it's important to remember that this was written mostly by Toriyama who bases his work off the DBS manga, DBZ manga and the canon movies (battle of gods, resurrection of F, etc).
While Broly's power seems unearned, that is the point. he's a mutant who is extremely powerful AND can tap into the power of an Oozaru without transforming as a result. His unearned power is introduced at the cost of little experience with fighting and no traditional martial arts training. a lot of the times during the fights, Broly gets sidestepped, his punches deflected, gets flung all over the place, gets caught in Goku's God Ki trap, etc. Him turning into a super saiyajin also wasn't out of nowhere, rage is a known factor in transforming. Freeza even remembers the death of Krillin triggering Goku's first powerup.
Shoddragon woah there. Broly is not a Mutant. No one describes Broly as a mutant. Broly’s latent power is detrimental on a global scale. That’s why he was exiled. Broly is one of the most powerful sayians to ever exist. King Vegeta feared this, not only cause of his pride but because Broly seemed to be a danger to everyone around him.
@@ShadohMasta the sub says mutant
@ShadohMasta: King Vegeta literally calls him a freak. Freak also relates to mutants which is canon to how Frieza is how strong he is even though he 'never trained a day in [his] life'. There are mutants that are quite literally just freaks of nature and happen to be strong. Doesn't mean that Broly isn't a mutant.
Shoddragon But he didn’t base this off the dbs manga. He based it off his notes and outline that he left Toei and Toyotaro
-broly is officially a mutant. even the wiki confirms this. it's possible the dub fucked up the dialogue, AGAIN. But the original japanese says mutant.
- the outline for this movie specifically draws from the manga as Goku+ Vegeta use perfected SSJ Blue instead of their anime specific forms. the fact that there was also no mention of "beyond blue" and "ssj blue kaioken" also confirms this.
- it's not a weak excuse. Toriyama's official, stated response for Freeza being so strong is that he was a mutant (alongside his dad). it took Goku raising his power from the humble ~350 he had in base against raditz to about 150,000,000 in SSJ1 after training with kaioo, training in 100x normal gravity AND several zenkais in order to finally take down Freeza originally. The Ginyu Force, most of whom were casually dicking down Vegeta, were also Mutants. Cell was genetically engineered and was able to briefly contend with Kamiccolo after only absorbing some humans in Ginger Town.
The series has precedence for genetics, especially when it comes to genetic mutants or purposefully alterations, making people extremely powerful.
Why does Alex have to be "That Guy" in almost every Review!
Its like if the Movie wasn't Perfect I'm gonna Shit on it even if I Really Enjoyed it! SMH! 😐😐
Hes the devils advocate man. I think it's healthy for the show to make sure Joe and other Joe don't overhype their beloved franchises. He is a downer sometimes but it's the cost of affective criticism.
He bitches about everything, he's the type of guy that will follow any trend that only hates on everything
God forbid someone have an opinion 🙂
@Darkness Fallss Joe didnt really fanboy though he pointed out flaws as well, Alex just had a different opinion. Though it does sometimes seem like he tries real hard to find any little thing he can use to try and tear something apart
@@dw3134 I don't mind him having an opinion but Alex is almost always the one to Suck Out All the Fun from even Great Movies!
He's Like Cinema Sins in Person!
He really Emphasizes the Negatives of Any Movie to the point he just comes off as a Hater and being Overly Nitpicky!
It Annoys the shit out of me!
But when he talks about Bad Movies he's very enjoyable to watch.
Pretty much at 6:30
Joe:okay fine Alex give your opinion
Alex:well the fight Sce-
Joe:LIAR!!!!
The thing about "super" its being done by fan fiction writers and stuff that i used to read as a kid. Also this is a movie drawn out things especially where it isnt needed in a movie can impact a movie. Only main thing Toriyama anymore is that its based on his "creation"
Quarren Everett Well Toriyama wrote a lot of the script for this movie, he was heavily involved unlike the actual DBS series
I burst out laughing on that part 😂
@@bureikusaikusu That doesn't matter when he's beeing pressured by Toei and other entities to push the "Super" brand as much as possible. You need to understand that the "real" Dragon Ball has been over for decades, and Super is part of a merchandising scheme aimed at the Naruto generation.
Donor of Ruffled Feathers Oh I understand that, Toriyama hasn’t had interest in the series since the 90s
Broly doesn't just "learn how to go Super Saiyan", it's shown in the movie that the whole point is that if you strike a nerve of a Saiyan they'll go Super Saiyan through anger (forgive me if I'm wrong), but Frieza killed Krillin and that's why Goku went Super Saiyan once because Krillin was his friend. So Frieza gets an idea and kills Paragus, Broly's father, and that's why he goes Super Saiyan. Although Paragus was a terrible father, he's the only person Broly grew attached too and loved, so when he was killed he went Super Saiyan, not to mention Frieza lies and says that it was a stray energy blast, so in Broly's head he thinks it's his fault. Also Broly learned how to fight as he fought (Vegeta even says this in the movie) Broly is an adaptive fighter, he's also the legendary Super Saiyan, so this makes even more since, and he also loses all of his senses like a Great Ape, he loses control and that's why he can't stop fighting, he's like the Hulk, he's fueled with absolute rage and just goes... Apeshit.
One thing about Kale and Broly : JOE she is a YOUNG TEENAGER and Broly is more than 40 ! !!!
That's legal in saiyan years. Don't bring your crappy human laws when they aren't our species. Seriously though, they are aliens. Most warrior races do birth early to produce more soldiers since you know... they die often.
@@Oyashio202 LOL yeah... Nah it's too creepy and remember : 6th Universe Sadala Saiyajins are good people, often working as space cops. They are the exact oposite if Vegeta Saiyajins. Ok, they can be a bit "rough" as teenagers, but not barbarians.
@black manta Well... Her look ? Her behaviour ? The way Califula's father talk about his daughter and friends ? Or just the way other caracters talk to them. They are clearly talking to children.
@@JauStudioFR they are still a warrior race at heart, but as cabba said, they evolved to the poinz that they dont rely on their tails. Average u6 saiyans are different level than average u7 saiyans, but also being more civilized. The saiyan cockiness is still well intact tho, as proven by caulifla and her henchmen
you're assuming Kale's a young teenager, truth is, we don't know how hold Kale, Cabba, or Caulifla are. We know they aren't as old as Goku and Vegeta because how they speak to them, but that still doesn't tell us how old they truly are. I always pegged Kale and Caulifla as in their early 20s, mid 20s tops.. but nothing about them screams teenager.
The original broly fight wasnt 3 on one. It was 5 vs one. Vegeta has never seen the dance himself i dont think. And broly was originally killed by a punch infused with the energy of all 5 into one. Like so joe can see
The only time Vegeta would have seen it was when he was inside buu and the fake goten and trunks did it
@@justinkofndream And when he was given a body by King Enma and the he and the King kept watch on Earth events from there.
They were almost training him while fighting like while vegeta is fighting him he is blocking and just pissing him off
Nah Vegeta has and will ALWAYS toy with his opponents just like he did with golden freiza in RF. He even gets bored of Broly and tried to kill him Goku even begged him not to do it and he did anyway. He was literally no one to him. XD Smug was on his face the whole time.
@@brando3342 no in DUB I'm he only says he's learning as he fights and that he must learn how to use his "power". Thats it man I've watched it like 3 times.
So what does Alex think of hulk fighting? Because hulk is broly
*Broly is hulk
Your question doesn't make sense.
@@zaystro2915 what he saying is Broly is basically Dragonball version of Hulk
@Chris Paladines on the basis his power came from rage/anger .......like the hulk...
Hulk was made decades before Broly and is actually two people but sure.
broly his dbz version of hulk, hulk dont need to train to get stronger he just need to get mad im sure alex is ok with marvel doing that
Exactly. Its literally the same thing.
A Kid nah
Exactly but with training he'd be like world war hulk
Yeah but hulk also lost to thanos. He didnt just instantly learn to be a better fighter and grow more powerful for no reason, he lost. This movie was basically the same as that situation where hulk just instantly becomes a professional fighter and somehow bests one of the strongest beings in the universe. It doesnt happen.
Finally someone said it
I FORGIVE ALEX.
I was feeling the same way as AngryJoe LOL.
Alex, welcome. you are officially the 1st person on my hit list 😂
They were not fighting for no reason. Paragus had raised Broly to get revenge on King Vegeta and has raised him to be a ruthless warrior on demand. So thats why Broly fought Vegeta. Goku, and saiyans in general love to fight. Its an established fact since early DBZ lore. So thats why Goku wanted to fight broly. They could feel this guys energy on Freezas ship. Eventually Brolys power, gained via the Oozaru power up plus Broly being the legendary "Pure" Super Saiyan, IE the one saiyan with green hair so much stronger than normal Super saiyans (Kale went toe to toe with SSB Goku) so this is another established fact, it takes over him and he sort of rampages. So he is just going to fight anything. I know they didnt explain it too well but this green form of Super Saiyan was already set up via Kale as being so much stronger and able to take on the god forms. Broly eventually gets Super Saiyan because Paragus died. He didnt get the form by accident.
"Fighting for no reason"
Sounds like my dad, who dislikes anime.
Kale went toe to toe with SSB Goku? no, she didn't. when Kale transforms for the first time in the tournament and you see her beating Goku, when their fight ends Goku has not even the slightest scratch. she did absolute shit to him. after the 1st Goku vs Jiren fight, when Goku fights both Kale(with the controlled transformation) and Caulifla they can't beat him even though he is in SSG form plus he was weakened and exhausted from his fight with Jiren. Goku took in the face Kale's blast attack(when the female pride trooper traps Kale in another dimension she destroyed it so her ki blasts are very strong) and his basic ki blast destroyed her strongest blast ki blast without effort. not to mention that Jiren defeated Kale with 1 attack without getting serious and he fights vs Goku while he is serious.
I somehow dodged all the spoilers and this movie was insane, felt like a kid again, loved this Broly.
Sorry but... GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! *CHANTING INTENSIFIES*
Yup. I always loved him more than Vegito.
Joe thats it HOLD me back joe HOLD ME BACK GOD DANG IT he Fu**ed up CMON BOYS LETS GET EM.
DRAGON BALL SUPER BROLY WAS EPIC
XD
"They are floating through space for no reason?" - Alex
It was supposed to be ridiculous and they broke the reality. Seriously Alex. I'm pretty sure that just because you don't like the art style they used, it doesn't mean it was "bad" CGI because there are plenty examples of bad CGI - this was not one of them.
They literally smashed the 3rd Dimension in the movie. It was fucking amazing
He didn't like the art style? Wow that's so stupid.
@@matsurivirus1814 i love you
@@Manny1222 Thanks man I appreciate it!
Nah that art design was trash
Thank god Joe was there to defend this movie as it deserves
He was defending Alex lol. He didn't know why broly turned ssj, he thinks chile "knows things", he didn't know why he was on par with Goku and Vegeta, he just shouldn't have made this video w/o everything to talk about
@@crmac135 but he was attacking alex as well.
with the fighting and animation just the overall purpose of db
“Broly isn’t powerful”
Goku at the end of the film: “You might even be tougher than Beerus!”
Bruhhh this guy omfg-
Saw it today, FANTASTIC! Possibly the best Dragon ball movie yet! XD
Stan Watcham not at all
Zulhazwan Hamzah my man you combed all these comments I at least see you reply to 20 percent of them
Zulhazwan Hamzah Lol So you admit to having no life.
@@lightning6778 I asume you don't know how to read.
Holy Moly I do actually,perhaps you don’t.
To be fair Goku himself, basically learns every technique he sees the very first time he sees it. A great example is Kamehameha, his signature technique that took Master Roshi over 50 years I believe to learn and master. He did a version of it right after he saw it and destroyed a car. Most of Goku's technique's are stolen ones. After image, Solar Flare, Kamehameha, I'm pretty sure I've seen him use a version of Destructo disc. Not to mention the technique's he learned from King Kai, that none of the other Z-fighters managed to learn while they were with him, being Kaio-ken, and the Spirit Bomb. If you are nerdy enough to go to the wiki they actually call his ability to perform techniques he's only seen once before hand. They call it...Mimicry. lol
Majin Buu also learned technique's super fast basically instantly as soon as he saw them. And them basically making it a big point that Broly's latent potential was off the charts, it doesn't surprise me that he could learn it very quickly, even Vegeta mentioned he was learning as he fought. Though I do agree, that going from training with someone who's power level was 4000, and just basic monsters. He was a bit too powerful especially going up against Super Saiyan Gods who are at universal feats. I think him getting some type of training with Frieza before hand as a test, or losing and then coming back or something would have helped with the plot a little bit. But ultimately it was fun.
Kienzan Disc. Taioken. Stop using the fucking dub names.
Stop being so triggered just because I used the English dubbed names. You know what they are regardless.
@@LUCKO2022 Stop being a weeb. The English names are offical, so are the japanese names. It makes no difference
@@LUCKO2022 you're a fuck wad
BloodyNights Tiens been doin this shit since Dragon Ball😤
10/10 Dragon ball film for me I loved it.
-10/10
daryl thompson 7 or 8/10
Movie was trash.
@@abexx8485 lol you keep trying to trigger people with the same comment.
I give it a 7.
Y'all need to watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Would love to see a review from Joe's and Alex.
Alex will probably stay its too weird and not bizarre while bring up star finger every chance he gets smh
Alex whaaaatttttt did you sayyy ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... What do you mean too many fights 😠😠😠😠😡😡😡 is ok is ok hes not a fan 😵😵😵
lol right
I havent seen the movie yet but he might have a point. Drawn out things in a movie can impact it
@@quarreneverett4767 From what I've heard it's not drawn out like Goku v Frieza
@@quarreneverett4767 it's 30 minutes of eye candy fights. What's not to love? That's a dumb complaint from Alex imo
He's a fan, not a fanboy. He liked the movie, but wont completely dick ride it and delude himself into thinking the movie was perfect. The total length should've been 3hrs, so naturally it felt a bit rushed and will have problems.
I was hoping you guys would review this. Happy you did this