@@MagicalWizard45 no, that's exactly how you look happy if you live in Russia. I mean seriously, instead of working on 3 jobs, you can afford yourself to play wc3 daily, what else is there to wish?
I really like Sok versatility. As much as I respect Happy UD I feel you can predict what start he’s going with. Again no disrespect for Happy he’s amazing just like how Sok changes it up
Yeah UD doesn't have many options, it does one thing and one thing well. Rods, Ghouls, DK+Lich and Statues/Destroyers and sometimes maybe Gargs or Fiends is all UD can do. I wish Necros were better@@kevin-7091
Grubby literally said in this same match "I would have never predicted this would be a serious strategy" talking about happy's initial strat. Same goes for match 2, t2 mass gargs is not seen often at all on pro levels. I think both adjusted very well to the situation and to be fair human also allows for more strategies
If Sok hadn’t blizzarded his own troops three times (maybe keep the water elements, and bring back in the copters to kill the destros in a final all in) and had disengaged that last fight after he killed the expo, then took it again at full force, maybe he beats the ud hero cheese
Of course I'm glad to be watching you cast this one. One example being the insight into why the heck he was going so fast into 0-2 upgrades for gargs. Is why I've always chosen to hang. 😎
human has always had a hard time dealing with destroyers. Even if they focus destroyers they can just instantly transform to magic immune flying unit with full HP. Only way to beat Destroyers has always been to throw crap ton of units at it with your econ advantage.
Ring of Regeneration was generally sold because of opportunity cost. That item equals an additional unit early game. Also, there's only 6 item slots and over time, the item slot is just better used for healing scroll and so forth. So it's not that the item is bad per se but instead the opportunity cost for races that depend on timing pushes/fending.
It's just bad logic though. 2hp/sec is crazy. It makes a massive difference in how survival heroes are. In almost all early game fights having constant +2hp/sec regen far eclipses the value of an extra footman or equivalent unit.
@@rsk-1337 Yeah, but that works towards keeping the hero alive, not necessarily winning the skirmishes or the game, that's the point. Heroes aren't ever the weak link anyway, so having one more unit that's able to push into the enemy's army makes a difference in who's in the offense/defense. Example: 1 hero+3 units has the upper hand against 1 hero+2 units even if the hero has more survivability.
sok managed to pull off another good fight with happy. Sok really had the chance to win. If he had chosen to defend his 2nd expo with flying machines rather than sending them off, happy would have a hard time taking down the base. And he chose storm rather than water element, which was another mistake.
Mostly agreed except Blizzard was the right choice. But Sok needed to fight with his flying machines for sure. With the destroyers taken out Sok could have taken on Happy's army from a well-fortified position.
@@rsk-1337 sure, different perspective. I like lvl3 water element better bcs destroyers won't be much of a problem if the flight machines are at the battle. And it's difficult for UD units to counter it.
I think the reason he didn't want his gyros at the fights anymore was because Dreadlord Carrion Swarm was decimating them and just feeding free XP to UD heroes. Not to mention Fiends with Web. So he thought it would be better to hit and run Happy's expos with them while his land army kept Happy's army occupied elsewhere. He did want Blizzard, where he messed up was taking Water Elemental instead of Brilliance Aura. Without Aura his MK/Pally's effectiveness dropped way too much, less Holy Lights, less Storm Bolts, less TClaps. That and he didn't cancel his Blizzards when Happy moved his units out of it and instead ended up Blizzarding his own Knights more as they chased through.
On a side note, borscht is not ukrainian. It is a word rooting from old russian, and the records of the dish trace back all the way to the kievan rus, resulting it it being a dish traditional to at the very least Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and Moldova at once. Sure, ukraine did claim it through UNESCO on the current contextual russophobia, but calling it something to belong to a specific country is just dumb. Besides, this country didn't even exist for a good thousand years of the dish's heritage.
Amazing play, like in the first game Sok was very close to totally denying mining but this time the stronger army won. MK wasn't strong enough to keep up with so many spells, interesting that Web didn't really come into play since Sok kept his Flying Machines out of range due to the threat of Carrion Swarm. I think he actually outplayed Happy for a while but UD was just too powerful in the end.
Can you explain more or give me some material about temp>pressure>scaling idea? I never taught about these and I feel like they are applicable to more than video games, but I don't exactly understand what scaling and tempo mean
Scaling means that you will scale well into the late game. It's like putting $500,000 in a retirement fund but it's stuck for 30 years. Good scaling! But bad tempo (can't spend it now) In games, scaling means things that get really strong at late game, either automatically or if well nurtured. For instance, high level blade becomes tanky and does really good damage, so he scales well; but at level 1, he's not very strong. Farseer's TEMPO is better than Blade, because he gets 2 summons (the wolves) and is a ranged hero (takes less damage). Tempo means somethin that's good now and offers you control over the game, as in - you make them run, not the other way around. A tempo play would be something like selling your Endurance Aura for 400 gold to buy a healscroll and protection scroll which gives you a much better fight now, than 7% attackspeed would give. Scaling would be to keep it until late game. Tempo doesn't mean attacking per se; pressure does. Pressure is like harrassing/attacking them which works best when they are being greedy (like trying to scale by making 2 expos simultaneously)
I don't understand what you meant when you said spellbreakers counter possession. If there are knights on the field, how does a spelkbreaker stop a banshee from possessing the knight?
I wonder if Happy did a chess-move here. Last game he used Gargs, but SOK didn't counter with Flyers. This game Happy (perhaps) thought - I'll signal early that I'm going Gargoyle's so he will react by going flyers. Then I'll have the counter to his Gargoyle's pre-meditated (Carrion Swarm), and on a chess-board, it looks like I end up a piece up, which on paper looks like a nice game for me.
I have watched the series and know how all five games finish already. However I come back here for a more pleasurable experience with Grubby's commenting. I usually find these e-sport commentators lacking in game depth or overly cheerful. Maybe it is just my opinion, but Grubby comments casualy and they are informative as he kbows the game well. It is why it is appealing to watch the game through his perspective. In other words, luv , Grub!
To be fair though, e-sport commentators have to strike a balance between being entertaining and technical. Yes i agree, some e-sport commentators were ex pro who have the experience to call out certain plays which give insight to the viewers, but overall their role is to keep the whole atmosphere casual for the average viewers.
Well, it's the camera angle. Seems like Happy's camera is a bit higher and it's pointed down at him, and he's ok and looking straight at his monitor. Or maybe he's playing on a laptop, in that case it's normal again beacuse laptop display is always lower then a regular monitor would be.
Why did blizzard make gargs the ONLY unit that has “prioritize air”, while completely ignoring adding that function to choppers. Do the developers even care anymore??
Ukranian borsch is ukranian, russian borsch is russian and my mom's borsch is my mom's. Ukranian borsh is the most famous variation, but it belongs to all eastern slavs because its ancient variations predates the emerge of modern east slavic cultures from the old east slavic culture.
Yep, its just political issues of last decade that lead to that deviation being talked about. The real reasons some people think borch is belong to Ukraine is that eastern Slavic nations used borch mostly as summer/autumn soup. While shchi (cabbage soup), that most slavic nations cook from sauerkraut (pickled to let it last longer till winter) is used more in northen part of eastern Slavic's lands, like Russia and Belarus. And not that popular in south regions with less tough winters like Ukraine, making borch more popular here.
If the common UD strategy is to run Lich+DK with the burst of their spells, how come HU strategy isn’t the same with Pala+MK? Wouldn’t that be particularly strong against UD matchup? Edit: I mean this where MK=Lich, DK=Pala, in terms of production order as well
i'd be really interested to see happy's screen; a perspective from behind him. his head seems so angled. I wonder why he plays like that. can't be good for his neck
I liked ring of regen even before playing DotA... don't need to play that to know how good it is. Disagree with you Grubby on the skill thing for DotA but I'd rather hear more about WC3 here (Sok vs Happy) and not about DotA.
Too many things on their mind. Often to make sure no time is wasted they have their troops attack+move somewhere while creeping so that they are constantly moving around while they handle eco stuff. It is of course worth it to spend 1 second to pick up a tome, but it can be easy to forget.
Dota2 has a lower skill ceiling. People actually end up hitting that ceilling in pro play. It's why patches come and go so often in dota2. This rapid change keeps the game fresh and in a constant state of flux & discovery. But the thing with wc3 and other RTSes like Brood War is that the staleness of the game makes it feel impossible for new people to break into the higher tiers of the game. So a high skill cieling may be great in some ways, it also sucks in others. Sure, I love watching wc3 and BW but I prolly will never play it or even try to get into it competitively. It's just not fun to have to catch up to so much legacy skill whereas dota2 has a low enough skill ceiling and a high enough skill floor that I can totally go back in after a few years and get back to ancient with horrible mechanics, just a good intuitive understanding of strats and positive mental attitude. You can't do that in WC3 or BW, micro skills are a prerequisite rather than another facet of the game.
Defensive upgrades also indirectly helps offensively, because you will be able to spend less time recovering and therefore keep more uptime on creeping, harassing, etc.
Why are you giving away results in the title?! I keep seeing this on your channel. This keeps happening, I want to get caught up tonight but now I already know how they end.
The fact it's 2023 and they are lagging like this is absolutley ridiculous . These are Two of the best players in the world and can't even get a good server to play on . Pathetic
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Happy really embodies the UD race with this camera setup, he looks like the hero portrait
Happy doesn't look happy
oh thats happy? i thought it was just some reforged graphic thing
I need a mod that replaces Death Knight's face with Happy's
@@MagicalWizard45 no, that's exactly how you look happy if you live in Russia.
I mean seriously, instead of working on 3 jobs, you can afford yourself to play wc3 daily, what else is there to wish?
happy top1. you talk about him as an avarage player =)) you are so jelaous =))@@XcooldereX
Only thing that bother me is that tome of strength staying there all game.
For real lol, takes 1 sec to pick up
I really like Sok versatility. As much as I respect Happy UD I feel you can predict what start he’s going with. Again no disrespect for Happy he’s amazing just like how Sok changes it up
He has to to stand a chance.
@@damo9961 would love to see this series go to 5. Because Sok is so unpredictable I would say Sok comes back to beat Happy 3-2!
@@nickk3403 As far as I remember it does go to 5 games.
Yeah UD doesn't have many options, it does one thing and one thing well. Rods, Ghouls, DK+Lich and Statues/Destroyers and sometimes maybe Gargs or Fiends is all UD can do. I wish Necros were better@@kevin-7091
Grubby literally said in this same match "I would have never predicted this would be a serious strategy" talking about happy's initial strat. Same goes for match 2, t2 mass gargs is not seen often at all on pro levels. I think both adjusted very well to the situation and to be fair human also allows for more strategies
Sok and Happy: play a match
Grubby: it's free real estate
If Sok hadn’t blizzarded his own troops three times (maybe keep the water elements, and bring back in the copters to kill the destros in a final all in) and had disengaged that last fight after he killed the expo, then took it again at full force, maybe he beats the ud hero cheese
His blizzards did more self damge than enemy damage in total, like that's a joke right?
I counted him blizzarding his own units 5 times.
Actual pain
how is this guy the best human player when he fucks up this bad the most iconic ability of the most meta human hero?
Water elementals would be destroyed by Devour Magic though
Of course I'm glad to be watching you cast this one. One example being the insight into why the heck he was going so fast into 0-2 upgrades for gargs. Is why I've always chosen to hang. 😎
UD = infinity mana + infnity heals
Add in death coil and frost nova, it's not even fair lol
human has always had a hard time dealing with destroyers. Even if they focus destroyers they can just instantly transform to magic immune flying unit with full HP. Only way to beat Destroyers has always been to throw crap ton of units at it with your econ advantage.
Ring of Regeneration was generally sold because of opportunity cost. That item equals an additional unit early game. Also, there's only 6 item slots and over time, the item slot is just better used for healing scroll and so forth.
So it's not that the item is bad per se but instead the opportunity cost for races that depend on timing pushes/fending.
It's just bad logic though. 2hp/sec is crazy. It makes a massive difference in how survival heroes are. In almost all early game fights having constant +2hp/sec regen far eclipses the value of an extra footman or equivalent unit.
Sounds like a tempo move (selling) vs a scaling move (keeping).
@@rsk-1337 Yeah, but that works towards keeping the hero alive, not necessarily winning the skirmishes or the game, that's the point. Heroes aren't ever the weak link anyway, so having one more unit that's able to push into the enemy's army makes a difference in who's in the offense/defense.
Example: 1 hero+3 units has the upper hand against 1 hero+2 units even if the hero has more survivability.
sok managed to pull off another good fight with happy. Sok really had the chance to win. If he had chosen to defend his 2nd expo with flying machines rather than sending them off, happy would have a hard time taking down the base. And he chose storm rather than water element, which was another mistake.
Mostly agreed except Blizzard was the right choice. But Sok needed to fight with his flying machines for sure. With the destroyers taken out Sok could have taken on Happy's army from a well-fortified position.
@@rsk-1337 sure, different perspective. I like lvl3 water element better bcs destroyers won't be much of a problem if the flight machines are at the battle. And it's difficult for UD units to counter it.
I think the reason he didn't want his gyros at the fights anymore was because Dreadlord Carrion Swarm was decimating them and just feeding free XP to UD heroes. Not to mention Fiends with Web. So he thought it would be better to hit and run Happy's expos with them while his land army kept Happy's army occupied elsewhere.
He did want Blizzard, where he messed up was taking Water Elemental instead of Brilliance Aura. Without Aura his MK/Pally's effectiveness dropped way too much, less Holy Lights, less Storm Bolts, less TClaps. That and he didn't cancel his Blizzards when Happy moved his units out of it and instead ended up Blizzarding his own Knights more as they chased through.
Pro Caster Grubby!!
On a side note, borscht is not ukrainian. It is a word rooting from old russian, and the records of the dish trace back all the way to the kievan rus, resulting it it being a dish traditional to at the very least Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and Moldova at once. Sure, ukraine did claim it through UNESCO on the current contextual russophobia, but calling it something to belong to a specific country is just dumb. Besides, this country didn't even exist for a good thousand years of the dish's heritage.
100%
I see
complete bullshit, classic russian propaganda
Amazing play, like in the first game Sok was very close to totally denying mining but this time the stronger army won. MK wasn't strong enough to keep up with so many spells, interesting that Web didn't really come into play since Sok kept his Flying Machines out of range due to the threat of Carrion Swarm.
I think he actually outplayed Happy for a while but UD was just too powerful in the end.
when you said, 'will he piss on the grave' i nearly spurted out my coffee haha lol
1:32 lighting shield denied the ogre kill. Is this world class level? xD
whenever Grubby says Sok, the transcript is picking up Suck. "Now Suck is the attacker" lmaoo
Can you explain more or give me some material about temp>pressure>scaling idea?
I never taught about these and I feel like they are applicable to more than video games, but I don't exactly understand what scaling and tempo mean
Scaling means that you will scale well into the late game. It's like putting $500,000 in a retirement fund but it's stuck for 30 years. Good scaling! But bad tempo (can't spend it now)
In games, scaling means things that get really strong at late game, either automatically or if well nurtured. For instance, high level blade becomes tanky and does really good damage, so he scales well; but at level 1, he's not very strong. Farseer's TEMPO is better than Blade, because he gets 2 summons (the wolves) and is a ranged hero (takes less damage).
Tempo means somethin that's good now and offers you control over the game, as in - you make them run, not the other way around. A tempo play would be something like selling your Endurance Aura for 400 gold to buy a healscroll and protection scroll which gives you a much better fight now, than 7% attackspeed would give. Scaling would be to keep it until late game.
Tempo doesn't mean attacking per se; pressure does. Pressure is like harrassing/attacking them which works best when they are being greedy (like trying to scale by making 2 expos simultaneously)
@@FollowGrubby Thanks for details.
I think I get it now.
Follow the grub💪
I don't understand what you meant when you said spellbreakers counter possession. If there are knights on the field, how does a spelkbreaker stop a banshee from possessing the knight?
your cast is so much better than the ones on back2warcraft... good job
I wonder if Happy did a chess-move here. Last game he used Gargs, but SOK didn't counter with Flyers. This game Happy (perhaps) thought - I'll signal early that I'm going Gargoyle's so he will react by going flyers. Then I'll have the counter to his Gargoyle's pre-meditated (Carrion Swarm), and on a chess-board, it looks like I end up a piece up, which on paper looks like a nice game for me.
What version of the game do these players here use? Is reforged now fixed or are there some modified versions?
I have watched the series and know how all five games finish already. However I come back here for a more pleasurable experience with Grubby's commenting. I usually find these e-sport commentators lacking in game depth or overly cheerful. Maybe it is just my opinion, but Grubby comments casualy and they are informative as he kbows the game well. It is why it is appealing to watch the game through his perspective. In other words, luv , Grub!
To be fair though, e-sport commentators have to strike a balance between being entertaining and technical. Yes i agree, some e-sport commentators were ex pro who have the experience to call out certain plays which give insight to the viewers, but overall their role is to keep the whole atmosphere casual for the average viewers.
what a game by sok... too bad it's coil nova hurdur in the end
How did the deny happened to sock in his first neutral camp ?
How does Happy play in this posture. Is it sustainable? What's your opinion Grubby do you have any tips by experience?
Well, it's the camera angle. Seems like Happy's camera is a bit higher and it's pointed down at him, and he's ok and looking straight at his monitor. Or maybe he's playing on a laptop, in that case it's normal again beacuse laptop display is always lower then a regular monitor would be.
I am also very concerned about his posture.
He probably leans in closer because he doesn't have the glasses on
Why did blizzard make gargs the ONLY unit that has “prioritize air”, while completely ignoring adding that function to choppers. Do the developers even care anymore??
Yep, they should both have it, if one of them has it. In fact, I think every air unit could have that ability, include Wyvs why not?
Awesome series, thank!
good cast @grubby!
Ukranian borsch is ukranian, russian borsch is russian and my mom's borsch is my mom's. Ukranian borsh is the most famous variation, but it belongs to all eastern slavs because its ancient variations predates the emerge of modern east slavic cultures from the old east slavic culture.
That sounds reasonable!
Yep, its just political issues of last decade that lead to that deviation being talked about.
The real reasons some people think borch is belong to Ukraine is that eastern Slavic nations used borch mostly as summer/autumn soup. While shchi (cabbage soup), that most slavic nations cook from sauerkraut (pickled to let it last longer till winter) is used more in northen part of eastern Slavic's lands, like Russia and Belarus. And not that popular in south regions with less tough winters like Ukraine, making borch more popular here.
Happy has the most menacing camera angle I've ever seen.
wait you can counter banshee possesions with breakers???
If the common UD strategy is to run Lich+DK with the burst of their spells, how come HU strategy isn’t the same with Pala+MK? Wouldn’t that be particularly strong against UD matchup?
Edit: I mean this where MK=Lich, DK=Pala, in terms of production order as well
Undead has anti-magic shell
to counter storm hummer and holy light but human cannot.
Isn't that all the way in T3 though? @@nyanlinphyo5096
Happy never disappoints! Better then GoT for real!!! 😂😂
17:10 "So are game shows" - How can she slap?!
Wtf!?! Sok in the final battle, just kills his own with Blizzard spell!?! wow!
ohlala is more like "it's a disaster" or "it could have been a disaster", depends on the situation happening :p
i'd be really interested to see happy's screen; a perspective from behind him. his head seems so angled. I wonder why he plays like that. can't be good for his neck
What’s the reward for getting 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc?
Thank god I don't have to listen to neo fangirl happy for another game, doing gods work Grubby!
Carson should get a better setup...
ulala Patricia!😂😂😂😂
love these :)
what makes dota a hard game, is team coordination and cooperation.
I wonder why bliz switched gyrocopters to flying machines for the switch to Frozen Throne.
I liked ring of regen even before playing DotA... don't need to play that to know how good it is. Disagree with you Grubby on the skill thing for DotA but I'd rather hear more about WC3 here (Sok vs Happy) and not about DotA.
Happy looks like he hasn’t slept in three days
Sok should have retreat with that economic advantage, he just give away the victory.
why do people leave tomes laying around?
Too many things on their mind. Often to make sure no time is wasted they have their troops attack+move somewhere while creeping so that they are constantly moving around while they handle eco stuff.
It is of course worth it to spend 1 second to pick up a tome, but it can be easy to forget.
Dota2 has a lower skill ceiling. People actually end up hitting that ceilling in pro play. It's why patches come and go so often in dota2. This rapid change keeps the game fresh and in a constant state of flux & discovery.
But the thing with wc3 and other RTSes like Brood War is that the staleness of the game makes it feel impossible for new people to break into the higher tiers of the game. So a high skill cieling may be great in some ways, it also sucks in others. Sure, I love watching wc3 and BW but I prolly will never play it or even try to get into it competitively. It's just not fun to have to catch up to so much legacy skill whereas dota2 has a low enough skill ceiling and a high enough skill floor that I can totally go back in after a few years and get back to ancient with horrible mechanics, just a good intuitive understanding of strats and positive mental attitude. You can't do that in WC3 or BW, micro skills are a prerequisite rather than another facet of the game.
Even if happy wins I think I’d rather be Sok, happy doesn’t look like he’s ever been happy ever.
why does happy ignore that tomb of strength at his expo ?
Defensive upgrades also indirectly helps offensively, because you will be able to spend less time recovering and therefore keep more uptime on creeping, harassing, etc.
Bro happy reactions 😂 he became red like tomatoes 🍅 🤣 when he try hard he is op Undead for real ❤
It seems Sok was lagging and spike a lot, as he blizzard his own troop 3 times which couldnt happen in pro matches.
Why are pros allergic to Tomes?
Sok was to close for win 😢
Where is happy from? Russia. Which part? The dangerous part, which is all of it 😂
Why are you giving away results in the title?! I keep seeing this on your channel. This keeps happening, I want to get caught up tonight but now I already know how they end.
I did not
👍
The fact it's 2023 and they are lagging like this is absolutley ridiculous . These are Two of the best players in the world and can't even get a good server to play on . Pathetic
Well keep in mind they are from Russia vs China; it can happen
If the first nice thing you name about a city is the subway..... it must be an ugly city >)
Happy could use some sleep.. he looks rough lol
"where the the "
Happy самый лучший !!! Grubby приезжай к нам в Москву в гости . Найдем happy и пойдем в компьютерный клуб на пару каток . И потом пивка выпьем 😅
И украинский борщ нальём)
That intro grubby, pure poesy!
rash worms
spoilers for those haven't watched the second video :(
I will keep that in mind, you're one of 3 people that pointed that out so far. Apologies!
BRO dont spoil the last match on the title jesus crist
I see, sorry about that, but it's more attractive this way
@@FollowGrubby u are attractive enough Mr grub
"Borsh" - is not ukrainian - it's all east slavic) because they are all the same people - one nation
Hello 👹☠️🌲🤺
Putins son is good. He smacked sok like
Ukraine
Spoiler in titles
Dota is the best multiplayer team game.
I don't like seeing the players face its distracting
Hero nuke is so boring
But loved the content anyway!
mouth breathing coil nova
proud of my country = ) gj Happy
oh maaan sok was so close )