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Fun fact about the attempt system in ICC. We were in a friendly rivalry for server first LK kill vs a horde guild on Mazrigos EU (). We were pretty neck-in-neck when we found out that they had just used up all their attempts, failing to kill the Lich King. - SWEET! we thought. That means we can stop now, save our attempts for the weekend, and and wait in our best players who couldn't raid on the day after reset. We set up our raid for that very same Saturday, feeling safe and confident that we couldn't lose. Bad move by us :D Did you know that if you do a faction transfer all the attempts are reset? :) We did not know that. But did, and we'd soon find out :) They made their entire raid team of 25 people pay for a faction transfer and came to the alliance side as . Bam - all attempts had been restored. They swooped in and took server first before we even realized what was going on. Now it's not like it was world first, this was long after that. It was just a teeny lil server first on a pretty tiny server. No biggie right? I still remember I am petty as hell. You played dirty. You didn't earn that victory. You paid money to circumvent the rules using an oversight in blizzard's systems. Fishsoup the druid never forgets, and never forgives.
What I've always loved and appreciated about your videos is the detail you put into the time period pieces. Whether it's the date of patch days, the high's and low's of each patch or point in time of the game, the bugs/glitches, how hard/easy certain things were, the detail is very much appreciated Willie. I'm looking forward to WoTLK. My holy pally was a lot of fun to play at this point (My alliance main since vanilla). Looking forward to hopefully going through much of it again.
I walked in front of org earlier(shadowlands) and I watched one person walk by in about 30 minutes. I said to the person "its dead on these streets now of days, eh?" continued with "I used to play shock pally at 80 and couldn't stop finding duels no matter what time." Its nostalgia that I'll remember and don't care for it to be recreated. Love it for what it was and happy to see that die there..... That being said........ I wish others could have this experience...... Ta Da.... Hope you all well......
Wotlk was my first raiding experience xpac. I wasnt level 60 when bc hit. Barely getting flying for when TBC was ending. And then WOTLK came out and oh boy did I have a blast. Healing as a druid and dps as a troll dk was some of the best times to play for me. Gear looked crazy and the raids were an experience that probably wont be repeated again for me. Love the videos man!
@@budycelyn I had an account going into wrath but it was hacked. So I restarted a new one with a druid and played all the way till max level. Then rolled a troll dk cuz it looked cool and raided on both. Then rolled a BE pally to 72 and a mage to 80 also and the mage was fun. But sadly that account was hacked and is gone too. Now I'm a former alliance account holder since I dont play anymore
WotLK was my first expansion where I got to max level, and I was fortunate enough to join a friendly guild that helped me a lot in icecrown citadel. The variation of the bosses, the bosses abilities, the storyline and pretty much everything regarding the visuals of the whole raid, the zones of Northrend and so on was just spot on. The climax of defeating lich king was such a thrill, and also very emotional seeing Arthas being forgiven despite everything that he had become. Thanks for the video =)
I went to college with a mad lad rogue who managed to get Obsidian Slayer, Conquer of Naxx, Death Demise, Grand Crusader, server first Light of Dawn, the server second invincible, and 2x gladiator. How he managed all that and a 3.5 GPA is still beyond me. Pretty sure he just didn't sleep during raid prog.
@@ipwnIRLyah Edit: making an edit to this since I did reach out to him by pure coincidence and talked to him about "the glory days" in wow. He would like to remain anonymous so I will be omitting the guild name as they are some what active as a more casual guild in retail. The corrections go as follows... 1.) I forgot he's a little older than me and I met him at community College because he failed out of a better school because he no life'd the end of TBC/early Wrath. 2.) He was a holy paladin healer main in vanilla and TBC. Switched to Ret for wrath, his Conq of Naxx and Obsidian slayer titles are on his ret paladin. He rerolled Assassination rogue during Naxx80 patch because of how busted they were and mained rogue from then on. The rest of his server first titles are on his rogue. 3.) He only got glad once, in season 8, in season 7 he only got Duelist 4.) I mixed up the server and guild name, he didn't join alpha/Midwinter until the very end of Wrath when he transferred to my server (Ysera) after his guild went through some drama. The guild and server he did all that shit on was a different from what I initially posted. ORIGINAL POST STARTS HERE: --‐--------------------------------------------------- whatever you say man. He was in a guild called "Alpha" on Ysera - US which was absorbed by Midwinter at the end of Wrath. He quit in Cata. I'm tempted to cold message the guy on FB after not talking to him in at least 3 years just to prove you wrong. Not sure if my pettiness will overpower my social anxiety though.
Server 2nd Invincible isnt that impressive though, he had Light of Dawn so they got server first mount aswell, Just like Mimirons head on hardmode they both had 100% drop rate in lvl 80
@@Smurfen249 and exactly how many players were actively playing on the server who didn't have the mount? lmao you can tell who wasn't raiding back in the day by these comments lol... Some of the titles/achievs were a lot easier to get if you played on a low-med pop server tho.
Damn, this hit me in the feels, hard. Hearing all the music, memories flooding back. I started in TBC and TBC has a special place, but Wrath was my jam. I played the hardest, longest, and had the most fun I've ever had in WoW during its life span. Thanks for all your content WillE!
I played vanilla to Legion recently i found out that WoW LvLn was considered an ASMR thing i sat listening to the sweet sounds of WoW Days later i turned my account back on after a 8 yr hiatus >_< it has been pretty fun tbh
If not on every boss, at least once or twice every raid. That fits real well with council bosses, and they always make some. Theres also a lot of ways to think of ***ONE*** original "big red button" per raid, by that I mean easy to understand, cool, hard, hard mode.
I am still convinced that Ion carried the spirit of that period to his game design. The hardmode activate button was such an amazing idea, but scrapped because, in my opinion, was too much work. They didn't want to bother with making the game fun and interesting, they want to streamline raiding. I would give very simple examples. Make hard mode items a quest. Go outside collect some water then bring it to the raid to active hard mode. Make a coin machine, 1 copper per hard mode activation. Make a giant sphere in the middle, to activate it, destroy the sphere instead of pulling the boss. Kite boss into an empowerment area to activate hard mode. /shout a key phrase to activate hard mode. Use an item to activate hard mode. There are so, so, so many ways to activate a hard mode. They just don't want to implement it then having to test it so see if it works the way they intend it to be. A UI option is much simpler. There's no need for creativity. That's what WoW is right now.
You sir are the new Madseasonshow, i enjoy watching your videos more than any other wow content creator atm. Such a warm voice, good clips and great ideas!
I've played on a bunch of Pservers, and Trial 10 nm (which only yields gear for the first 2-3 IDs anyways) & hc can be cleared easily in 1 hour in the first ID, 25nm probably takes about as much time in the first IDs for casual-semicasual guilds. Which would leave you with 1/3 of a raid night and another whole raid night for every guild raiding 2 nights a weak, so clearing 4x a week isn't a huge problem imho. And again, those numbers are for the very first ID after Ulduar. I'd say it's rather boring actually if the gaps between patches are too long, if anything there needs to be more content for the ToC-Patch, going for 0 wipes isn't really the only thing you want to work towards for 3 months
I'll never forget Wrath because the guild I was in, we used to do pulls blind. We wouldn't use strats other guilds used, we would just go in and figure it out, we were that good as a team. I also got Tribute to Insanity with that guild, it was 10 man with a few people, pally healing and I was healing as a shaman. I also remember people getting mad because I did good DPS as elemental in 10 man and could dominate on Mimiron in 25. That was the first time I actually did good damage and was aware of it since I had always been healing up to then.
Sorry for being the one person watching your videos every time without subscribing, I've finally remembered to hit that big red button, so you should be at 100% now :D
Wotlk was my first expansion. After it I never felt the same joy again. For me it was so perfect: setting, raids, just everything. I always remember the times when looking videos like this. Thank you!
Hey WillE, big fan, don’t usually comment but this video really hit me in the nostalgia - thanks for your contributions to the WoW community as a content creator :)
The path to raiding was well defined in WOTLK making it accessible to Andy's like me, who never got their Immortal Title, or their Heroic Lich King kill, but by golly was it a good time to be alive :D
gonna be hard to do since you'd have to give people better gear, then when ulduar comes, it'll be trivialized unless buffed, but i agree, so many private servers died right before ulduar cuz of the lack of content and spamming the same super easy raids.
@@Shotgunz999 I agree, it's hard to balance. It could be that you can nerf normal mode loot slightly and make the heroic loot the old normal loot. That's just an idle thought. It does rather imply you're "supposed" to do the hc which isn't the point imo, but wow players have always been willing to put in large amounts of extra effort for potentially very small gains in power.
@@WillEmmo yeah that's my expectation too. Problem being achies by their nature you only do once. Less incentive to do a 4HM cleave if everyone already has the achi from last time you pulled it off. It's not like there's better/extra loot for doing the achi strat (maybe that's the solution?)
Its subjective, but you're not wrong. Its one of the best overall for sure, though I'd hazard that there's been a few raids that are technically superior - but Ulduar was the pioneer of what we consider a modern good raid. And its the only one with such a unique method of activating hard mode, so bonus points.
Wrath was to me the best of WoW in terms of raiding. Story telling. Lore. And zone designs. And that intro cinematic just fueled my excitement to kill the LK. I started Wrath as a hunter. Ended up tanking Naxx as a paly. And by ICC I was a destro lock. I absolutely loved the raiding back then. Wrath is basically the only classic WoW I am thinking about playing.
@@Unforgiven11 understandable. Normally i would agree, but i simply lost hope blizzard will do something good again and im done paying them a subscription
Ulduar raid was the pinnacle of raiding in WoW in it's entire history. The sheer scale, variety of bosses, Hardmodes to fit all types of players, possibility for guild content on weekly basis due to 10 man settings with all or only set amount of hardmodes based on group setup, the achievments, the build-up to Algalon... If Blizzard ever wants to revive the raiding scene and make it fully accessible to all types of players, they simply just need to bring back the Ulduar raiding setting and the raids will keep us entertained for a whole week on a positive note. Please, Blizz, just bring it back, OK? We will thank you a thousand-fold. Why did you ever had to butcher this perfect raid with ToC, only God knows...
hey willie loved the video! thats so impressive u have ALMOST 100% of ur viewers being subscribed. big congratulations, your channel will certainly grow with the quality content and effort u put in!
Haha, I think you just called me out, I've been watching your videos for a long time but I must have forgotten to actually click the Subscribe button, sorry =P Thanks for the great content and keep it up! =D
I feel like the raid encounters in Wrath had the best balance between being tank and spank and having too many mechanics like they do now. Modern raids (and even dungeons) feel like I am playing dance dance revolution, rather than playing my character.
Wotlk was that nice medium part of the wow spectrum as far as overall mechanics. As the transitional phase it was enough of what made the game great and more modern mentalities. As a BC baby I loved it, and sadly things only went downhill after it. I'm not sure how blizzard intends to roll things out for classic, especially with the acquisition. They definitely shouldn't repeat TBC classic. No boosts, and the botting situation needs to be handled.
If Microsoft adds WoW subscription to their gamepass service it will be a gamechanger...there will be a gigantic influx of more casual players and honestly WoW needs that. The community is far too sweaty/focused on buying gear/ranks/boosts. It's near impossible to find dungeon groups now and old quest content areas feel dead.
Looking forward to playing a Death Knight as they were meant to be played. I don't mean the overtuned situation at the start of WotLK, but how the talent system worked for that class. Every spec played a little different, in both dps and tank roles. At least that's how I felt back then.
Its a big difference, blood is the only spec ppl tank in....frost damage is reined in heavily. Unholy is the only one the sorta held its power all the way thru, pvp and pve.
{10 man heroic siegecrafter blackfuse wants to know your location} really though I was a serious 10 man raider and this shit took us 500 attempts, we got it, then 2 weeks later they nerfed the 10 man versions hp by 20% because they knew it was way overturned. Then the 2nd place guild behind us got the kill immediately after the nerf, which pretty much destroyed our lead. But yes, 10 man heroics usually required less mistakes, since you had 1 battle rez vs 3. Another example is heroic Lei shen, where on 25 heroic you could have healers on each corner for the transitions, but only 2 healing for 10 man you had to have 2 corners without a healer
What wasn't mentioned in the video is how accessible the raids were. Even Ulduar, which has an absurd amount of memes about how difficult it was, could be pugged back in the day. The Immortals and Undyings on my server were all done by pugs, and after ICC opened, 50-attempt colosseum runs were pretty popular as well. And it's not because the players were super good or overgeared, but because the raid difficultly was in that sweet spot where any newbie could walk in, get something for their trouble, and learn something even if they died on pull. After Vanilla, where raiding was considered a huge investment, and BC, where elitism was first introduced at max burn, being able to just casually log in whenever and clear a raid in an hour or two really helped the casual playerbase a lot.
wotlk was the 1st expansion i discovered what raiding is even tho it was on a private server during 2018 summer. it caught me off guard completely and kept me excited for months. way later, after few years, after trying different expansions(so far i ve played all except wod for the sake of absence of wod private server) and 3.3.5 patch is still somewhat attracting. surely enough, after a lot of mythic raiding at legion and bfa, icc and RS hc are easy af and being farmed, but for w/e reason i still want to play them again and again. i find it very cool, that, in fact, there are 4 raids in different modes that u can do at 80th lvl. ive had one of the best raiding times when i was waking up, there was a raid in 2 hours, i was raiding whole day on different characters and it was like this 6\7 days. RS\ICC\TOC, hcs, nms, speedruns, w/e. looking back id say that its the most huge content patch in terms of raiding. also the fact that u can gear a character really really fast adds few good points to the patch's score too.
I started at the very end of TBC, trying out classes left right and center. But when wotlk hit, i went with ret paladin. i've never shunned away from ret pala ever since. Good memories, i can't wait
Is it just me, or does wow's art style lend itself best to horror themes like undercity, undead, and death nights? Like the darker side of the color pallet they went with just slaps when paired with the Tim Burton Gothic horror art style. I think that's why I originally was pulled into wotlk zones so completely. Nothing since has quite had a vibe/tone achieved so perfectly.
I can't wait to tank naxx again with my prot pally! Getting The Safety Dance achievement on the Heigan the Unclean fight was a high point for me at the time!
Raiding in WotLK was not as good as in BC, but it was up there on the top. Ulduar and ICC alone put it up on the top alonside BC. They found a decent balance. The removal of attunmenets was a good move at this point: Raids difficulty and hard modes was a great implementation, although not quite needed: TBC was a raid firnedly expansion for everyone. Casual players always had 2 to 3 raids to pick from, more dedicated hard core players had the latest raids to fight in. WotLK was okay and fun and they should have completely stopped at this level of "raid difficulty layering"
Much much better than in TBC imo, fights way more fun. Not messing around with the difficulty would be the true DOWNFALL of raiding. It's still going strong, ofc it's not 12 million players but raiding is still top notch for a reason @ retail.
The one thing I think that would hurt Wrath Classic the most if repeated is the limited attempt system. If was meant to try and hard stop hardcore types it didn't then and it won't in Wrath Classic. Hardcore guilds will find ways around it by PTR'ing the upcoming raid tier and(or) have several alts to practice on before attempting the raid for real on their mains. Ultimately the limited attempt system while trying to bottleneck the hardcore types just ends up bottlenecking the casual types who play on 1 maybe 2 toons and most likely don't play on the PTR.
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Ulduar! Sweet baby Jesus the music alone made that raid amazing. Can't wait for classic wrath.
Maybe it was jesus that made the music at all 😄
Imagine doing wintersgrasp in a unbalanced server 🥰 it will be so fun! Guess I'll play a month and leave this shit hole once more!
@@BBD1 best to stay away from this shit hole all together
Wotlk classic confirmed ?
Oh how I hated Ulduar, all the damn tank mechanics blah! Nax 2.0 and ICC were hella good though… even The crusade wasn’t horrible.
Fun fact about the attempt system in ICC.
We were in a friendly rivalry for server first LK kill vs a horde guild on Mazrigos EU ().
We were pretty neck-in-neck when we found out that they had just used up all their attempts, failing to kill the Lich King.
- SWEET! we thought.
That means we can stop now, save our attempts for the weekend, and and wait in our best players who couldn't raid on the day after reset. We set up our raid for that very same Saturday, feeling safe and confident that we couldn't lose. Bad move by us :D
Did you know that if you do a faction transfer all the attempts are reset? :) We did not know that. But did, and we'd soon find out :)
They made their entire raid team of 25 people pay for a faction transfer and came to the alliance side as . Bam - all attempts had been restored. They swooped in and took server first before we even realized what was going on.
Now it's not like it was world first, this was long after that. It was just a teeny lil server first on a pretty tiny server. No biggie right?
I still remember
I am petty as hell.
You played dirty.
You didn't earn that victory. You paid money to circumvent the rules using an oversight in blizzard's systems.
Fishsoup the druid never forgets, and never forgives.
Username checks out
Amazing 😂😂😂😂😂
This is basically how billionaires are born IRL lol , they play dirty regardless of what happeneds, just win and you got it
What I've always loved and appreciated about your videos is the detail you put into the time period pieces. Whether it's the date of patch days, the high's and low's of each patch or point in time of the game, the bugs/glitches, how hard/easy certain things were, the detail is very much appreciated Willie. I'm looking forward to WoTLK. My holy pally was a lot of fun to play at this point (My alliance main since vanilla).
Looking forward to hopefully going through much of it again.
I walked in front of org earlier(shadowlands) and I watched one person walk by in about 30 minutes. I said to the person "its dead on these streets now of days, eh?" continued with "I used to play shock pally at 80 and couldn't stop finding duels no matter what time." Its nostalgia that I'll remember and don't care for it to be recreated. Love it for what it was and happy to see that die there..... That being said........ I wish others could have this experience...... Ta Da.... Hope you all well......
An 18min video on the entirety of LK raiding is quite the opposite of detailed tho.
It was me, I'm the one person. Congrats on the 100%
Wotlk was my first raiding experience xpac. I wasnt level 60 when bc hit. Barely getting flying for when TBC was ending. And then WOTLK came out and oh boy did I have a blast. Healing as a druid and dps as a troll dk was some of the best times to play for me. Gear looked crazy and the raids were an experience that probably wont be repeated again for me. Love the videos man!
that sounds like an exact mirror of my time in wow, same classes too :)
@@budycelyn I had an account going into wrath but it was hacked. So I restarted a new one with a druid and played all the way till max level. Then rolled a troll dk cuz it looked cool and raided on both. Then rolled a BE pally to 72 and a mage to 80 also and the mage was fun. But sadly that account was hacked and is gone too. Now I'm a former alliance account holder since I dont play anymore
Ha. Exact same except NE dk
exact same here
@@orunenf5533 ah ye - wolk and cata - the expansions of "i had account in vanills but lost it /sold it / its my 2nd account trust me bro " :)
WotLK was my first expansion where I got to max level, and I was fortunate enough to join a friendly guild that helped me a lot in icecrown citadel. The variation of the bosses, the bosses abilities, the storyline and pretty much everything regarding the visuals of the whole raid, the zones of Northrend and so on was just spot on. The climax of defeating lich king was such a thrill, and also very emotional seeing Arthas being forgiven despite everything that he had become. Thanks for the video =)
I went to college with a mad lad rogue who managed to get Obsidian Slayer, Conquer of Naxx, Death Demise, Grand Crusader, server first Light of Dawn, the server second invincible, and 2x gladiator. How he managed all that and a 3.5 GPA is still beyond me. Pretty sure he just didn't sleep during raid prog.
Nothing has ever not happened any more than that didn't
@@ipwnIRLyah
Edit: making an edit to this since I did reach out to him by pure coincidence and talked to him about "the glory days" in wow. He would like to remain anonymous so I will be omitting the guild name as they are some what active as a more casual guild in retail. The corrections go as follows...
1.) I forgot he's a little older than me and I met him at community College because he failed out of a better school because he no life'd the end of TBC/early Wrath.
2.) He was a holy paladin healer main in vanilla and TBC. Switched to Ret for wrath, his Conq of Naxx and Obsidian slayer titles are on his ret paladin. He rerolled Assassination rogue during Naxx80 patch because of how busted they were and mained rogue from then on. The rest of his server first titles are on his rogue.
3.) He only got glad once, in season 8, in season 7 he only got Duelist
4.) I mixed up the server and guild name, he didn't join alpha/Midwinter until the very end of Wrath when he transferred to my server (Ysera) after his guild went through some drama. The guild and server he did all that shit on was a different from what I initially posted.
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whatever you say man. He was in a guild called "Alpha" on Ysera - US which was absorbed by Midwinter at the end of Wrath. He quit in Cata. I'm tempted to cold message the guy on FB after not talking to him in at least 3 years just to prove you wrong. Not sure if my pettiness will overpower my social anxiety though.
@@ipwnIRLyah That list Odd the Mute rolled off is more reasonable than Rank 14 in PvP.
Server 2nd Invincible isnt that impressive though, he had Light of Dawn so they got server first mount aswell, Just like Mimirons head on hardmode they both had 100% drop rate in lvl 80
@@Smurfen249 and exactly how many players were actively playing on the server who didn't have the mount? lmao
you can tell who wasn't raiding back in the day by these comments lol...
Some of the titles/achievs were a lot easier to get if you played on a low-med pop server tho.
Damn, this hit me in the feels, hard. Hearing all the music, memories flooding back. I started in TBC and TBC has a special place, but Wrath was my jam. I played the hardest, longest, and had the most fun I've ever had in WoW during its life span. Thanks for all your content WillE!
I played vanilla to Legion recently i found out that WoW LvLn was considered an ASMR thing i sat listening to the sweet sounds of WoW Days later i turned my account back on after a 8 yr hiatus >_< it has been pretty fun tbh
I really liked the ulduar method of enabling hard mode, but I get it, there's only so many ways to add a hard mode.
Still wish they'd kept that in.
If not on every boss, at least once or twice every raid. That fits real well with council bosses, and they always make some.
Theres also a lot of ways to think of ***ONE*** original "big red button" per raid, by that I mean easy to understand, cool, hard, hard mode.
I am still convinced that Ion carried the spirit of that period to his game design. The hardmode activate button was such an amazing idea, but scrapped because, in my opinion, was too much work. They didn't want to bother with making the game fun and interesting, they want to streamline raiding. I would give very simple examples. Make hard mode items a quest. Go outside collect some water then bring it to the raid to active hard mode. Make a coin machine, 1 copper per hard mode activation. Make a giant sphere in the middle, to activate it, destroy the sphere instead of pulling the boss. Kite boss into an empowerment area to activate hard mode. /shout a key phrase to activate hard mode. Use an item to activate hard mode. There are so, so, so many ways to activate a hard mode. They just don't want to implement it then having to test it so see if it works the way they intend it to be. A UI option is much simpler. There's no need for creativity. That's what WoW is right now.
Ulduar was the best. It's still my favorite raiding experience.
I was sure that I was subscribed because your videos always get recommended, thanks for the heads up! Love your content
Damn, the score really was something else in Wrath. Take me back, I didn't know that they were the good times.
totally thought I was subscribed and I wasn't! Thanks for calling me out WillE
You're literally describing all the reasons I LOVED WotLK
it was me austin! it was me (who is not subscribed) all along!
it was me. I was the one who was not subed. I changed that
I'm a bit late but my coffee is still warm and I'm ready for a WillE video. Cheers, man ♥️
I wasn't subscribed sorry, now I am!
Here you go, that must be 100% now!
You sir are the new Madseasonshow, i enjoy watching your videos more than any other wow content creator atm. Such a warm voice, good clips and great ideas!
And NO BULLSHIT and fake mainstream like many other 'content creators' do..
Well, if there is one thing for sure it is that if i see a wille video, i know its at least going to represent the topic in the title of the video
big plus his voice isnt ZZZZZZZZZZ
@@MexBotArts 👎
@@holysecret2 you know its true, the only way to watch a Madseason video is by speeding up the video or before bedtime.
I think I may have been the guy that watches your videos and wasn't subscribed... anyway... now I am!
Lol i think i may be that one person who isn't subscribed 😅 love your videos, I'll change that now
Well, maybe I was the one dude not subscribed. I fixed it, finally. Thank you for all the amazing content!
As always loved the video! I watch a lot of TH-cam but I swear I get excited whenever I see a new Wille video!
That was me and I just subscribed :P
Great video and I really hope they don't expect people to clear Trial 4x a week.... That's a change I think everyone can agree upon lol
I mean as someone in a hardcore guild, I would enjoy it cause it’s just more content and more gear to min-max. For majority though not sustainable.
I've played on a bunch of Pservers, and Trial 10 nm (which only yields gear for the first 2-3 IDs anyways) & hc can be cleared easily in 1 hour in the first ID, 25nm probably takes about as much time in the first IDs for casual-semicasual guilds. Which would leave you with 1/3 of a raid night and another whole raid night for every guild raiding 2 nights a weak, so clearing 4x a week isn't a huge problem imho. And again, those numbers are for the very first ID after Ulduar. I'd say it's rather boring actually if the gaps between patches are too long, if anything there needs to be more content for the ToC-Patch, going for 0 wipes isn't really the only thing you want to work towards for 3 months
Excellent video, just the kind what I wanted to see in the light of new, upcoming raids coming out soon, somehow
I'll never forget Wrath because the guild I was in, we used to do pulls blind. We wouldn't use strats other guilds used, we would just go in and figure it out, we were that good as a team. I also got Tribute to Insanity with that guild, it was 10 man with a few people, pally healing and I was healing as a shaman. I also remember people getting mad because I did good DPS as elemental in 10 man and could dominate on Mimiron in 25. That was the first time I actually did good damage and was aware of it since I had always been healing up to then.
Sorry for being the one person watching your videos every time without subscribing, I've finally remembered to hit that big red button, so you should be at 100% now :D
Wotlk was my first expansion. After it I never felt the same joy again. For me it was so perfect: setting, raids, just everything. I always remember the times when looking videos like this. Thank you!
This video singlehandedly inspired me to get back on classic and start leveling alts for wotlk, messy systems, fun times all the same
they will 100% update the level boost for wotlk classic lol.
@@himboslice_ what do you think theyll change about it
Good shit WillE
Hey WillE, big fan, don’t usually comment but this video really hit me in the nostalgia - thanks for your contributions to the WoW community as a content creator :)
Thanks!
What a step back in time. Thanks WillE.
The path to raiding was well defined in WOTLK making it accessible to Andy's like me, who never got their Immortal Title, or their Heroic Lich King kill, but by golly was it a good time to be alive :D
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I think the opening tier could use a heroic mode to satisfy some people after TBC.
I'd say this is something I hope for more than most things, aside from a small group of fresh servers on launch for those who want it.
If we are lucky and Blizzard do say something about the concern of overly easy T7, i bet they will say just do the achieves tbh
gonna be hard to do since you'd have to give people better gear, then when ulduar comes, it'll be trivialized unless buffed, but i agree, so many private servers died right before ulduar cuz of the lack of content and spamming the same super easy raids.
@@Shotgunz999 I agree, it's hard to balance. It could be that you can nerf normal mode loot slightly and make the heroic loot the old normal loot. That's just an idle thought. It does rather imply you're "supposed" to do the hc which isn't the point imo, but wow players have always been willing to put in large amounts of extra effort for potentially very small gains in power.
@@WillEmmo yeah that's my expectation too. Problem being achies by their nature you only do once. Less incentive to do a 4HM cleave if everyone already has the achi from last time you pulled it off. It's not like there's better/extra loot for doing the achi strat (maybe that's the solution?)
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Ulduar, the pinnacle of raid design. My favorite raid and one that has yet to be matched for me.
Its subjective, but you're not wrong. Its one of the best overall for sure, though I'd hazard that there's been a few raids that are technically superior - but Ulduar was the pioneer of what we consider a modern good raid. And its the only one with such a unique method of activating hard mode, so bonus points.
It was me. Now I'm subbed.
wow 99% sub rate. freaking nuts dude!!!
Sartharion 3 drake, Ulduar (minus flame leviathan's vehicle combat), and ICC were some of the best raids ever made
2:57 hey that's me :), well maybe among a few others
0.01% must be me :D subscribed now. Bless
Wrath was to me the best of WoW in terms of raiding. Story telling. Lore. And zone designs. And that intro cinematic just fueled my excitement to kill the LK. I started Wrath as a hunter. Ended up tanking Naxx as a paly. And by ICC I was a destro lock. I absolutely loved the raiding back then. Wrath is basically the only classic WoW I am thinking about playing.
Totally agree bro. Im currently playing wrath on a private progressing through icc 25 hc and i can honestly say im having a blast doing it again
@@floreaciprian9742 I CANNOT WAIT for Wrath Classic but I dont wanna spoil the hype with Private servers
@@Unforgiven11 understandable. Normally i would agree, but i simply lost hope blizzard will do something good again and im done paying them a subscription
I thought i was subbed. Now I am.
Ulduar raid was the pinnacle of raiding in WoW in it's entire history. The sheer scale, variety of bosses, Hardmodes to fit all types of players, possibility for guild content on weekly basis due to 10 man settings with all or only set amount of hardmodes based on group setup, the achievments, the build-up to Algalon...
If Blizzard ever wants to revive the raiding scene and make it fully accessible to all types of players, they simply just need to bring back the Ulduar raiding setting and the raids will keep us entertained for a whole week on a positive note.
Please, Blizz, just bring it back, OK? We will thank you a thousand-fold. Why did you ever had to butcher this perfect raid with ToC, only God knows...
When Ulduar was live I quit WoW Retail. Ulduar raid was the final nail in the coffin. I hated it.
No. Fuck "accessible". It killed the game
@@hurtigheinz3790 and you must be the only person in the entire world with that opinion xD
@@hurtigheinz3790 wtf? Literally the TOP raid in WoW's history, you dont like WoW if you hate Ulduar in my opinion. :D
@@gollese I don't like Ulduar because I prefer playing my character over driving around in a Go Kart. BWL, SSC > Ulduar ;)
I feel like I got called out with that .1% if it's true lol
hey willie loved the video! thats so impressive u have ALMOST 100% of ur viewers being subscribed. big congratulations, your channel will certainly grow with the quality content and effort u put in!
awesome videos!
Haha, I think you just called me out, I've been watching your videos for a long time but I must have forgotten to actually click the Subscribe button, sorry =P
Thanks for the great content and keep it up! =D
I feel like the raid encounters in Wrath had the best balance between being tank and spank and having too many mechanics like they do now. Modern raids (and even dungeons) feel like I am playing dance dance revolution, rather than playing my character.
Zoomer gamers take a lot of adderall...and their generation of games reflect it...
Haha, that dance dance revolution part made me chuckle
@@qntcats5974 Wow is ecxlusively played by 30 yo boomers. Stop calling things that you don't like zoomer.
@@hgkghkhgkgh8378 okay, Zoomie.
@@hgkghkhgkgh8378 go down another adderall, you're heart is beginning to beat normally again.
i feel honoured to be the guy that makes it 100% subscribers, yay me
If they added the QoL changes in Wrath while keeping vanilla/tbc aesthetic in classic...it would have been a MUCH better experience.
Wotlk was that nice medium part of the wow spectrum as far as overall mechanics. As the transitional phase it was enough of what made the game great and more modern mentalities.
As a BC baby I loved it, and sadly things only went downhill after it.
I'm not sure how blizzard intends to roll things out for classic, especially with the acquisition. They definitely shouldn't repeat TBC classic. No boosts, and the botting situation needs to be handled.
If Microsoft adds WoW subscription to their gamepass service it will be a gamechanger...there will be a gigantic influx of more casual players and honestly WoW needs that. The community is far too sweaty/focused on buying gear/ranks/boosts. It's near impossible to find dungeon groups now and old quest content areas feel dead.
@@qntcats5974 this was always a problem in wow
@@MoonTurky no it wasn't. There were always more casual players enjoying the content. Now it's just Boosts, GDKPs, and raid logs.
Oh, hey. I'm apart of that 0.1%
I was probably the 0.1% guy, sorry about that!
Willie you kick ass!
I'm finally in the 0.1%! My mom told me I was special.
Looking forward to playing a Death Knight as they were meant to be played. I don't mean the overtuned situation at the start of WotLK, but how the talent system worked for that class. Every spec played a little different, in both dps and tank roles. At least that's how I felt back then.
Same! I want to do a proper look at the differences between launch and 3.3.5 DKs in the future too
Its a big difference, blood is the only spec ppl tank in....frost damage is reined in heavily. Unholy is the only one the sorta held its power all the way thru, pvp and pve.
@@jamesbaggett3655 pretty sure blood wasn't a tank spec until Cataclysm, frost was the tank spec for wotlk
@@jellyfrosh9102 So you didn't play that much, you mean :D Both blood and frost were viable tank specs.
hope that 0.01% wasnt me lol just subbed just incase ;)
Subscribed for the analytics joke
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Wow that massive bait to subscribe.... I love it
For Nax I would like a Heroic mode.
I am that person! RAWR!
for me, it always felt like 10-people was harder then 25-people.. and that balancing was a mess all over the raids.
For a while, it was. It wasn't your imagination.
During Cata I know certain fights were waaaay harder on 10 man as some mechanics didnt scale down to the smaller size too well
{10 man heroic siegecrafter blackfuse wants to know your location} really though I was a serious 10 man raider and this shit took us 500 attempts, we got it, then 2 weeks later they nerfed the 10 man versions hp by 20% because they knew it was way overturned. Then the 2nd place guild behind us got the kill immediately after the nerf, which pretty much destroyed our lead. But yes, 10 man heroics usually required less mistakes, since you had 1 battle rez vs 3. Another example is heroic Lei shen, where on 25 heroic you could have healers on each corner for the transitions, but only 2 healing for 10 man you had to have 2 corners without a healer
That 0.1% is me... I like the fame of not subscribing!
Keep up the good work.
HERETICS! You shall suffer for this
THE NERUBIANS UNDERNEATH TRIAL OF THE CRUSADER WAS PURE LORE 🔥
What wasn't mentioned in the video is how accessible the raids were. Even Ulduar, which has an absurd amount of memes about how difficult it was, could be pugged back in the day. The Immortals and Undyings on my server were all done by pugs, and after ICC opened, 50-attempt colosseum runs were pretty popular as well. And it's not because the players were super good or overgeared, but because the raid difficultly was in that sweet spot where any newbie could walk in, get something for their trouble, and learn something even if they died on pull.
After Vanilla, where raiding was considered a huge investment, and BC, where elitism was first introduced at max burn, being able to just casually log in whenever and clear a raid in an hour or two really helped the casual playerbase a lot.
Ehm back in the day Ulduar had "memes" about how people in full blues could clear it
Great content, can't wait for wrath!!!
lol. that was me! I didn't subscribe. I fixed it!
Shait .. i got gought.. subbed now
You got me. I subbed now
Boy did we have some fun in ICC on several tunes. Loved topping meters on saurfang with my DK. Server first heroic syndra. Good times.
My god the memories raiding ulduar icc back than venting with guildies and the community on the server
I actually think I was the one not subbed so I made sure to do so 👍
wotlk was the 1st expansion i discovered what raiding is even tho it was on a private server during 2018 summer. it caught me off guard completely and kept me excited for months. way later, after few years, after trying different expansions(so far i ve played all except wod for the sake of absence of wod private server) and 3.3.5 patch is still somewhat attracting. surely enough, after a lot of mythic raiding at legion and bfa, icc and RS hc are easy af and being farmed, but for w/e reason i still want to play them again and again. i find it very cool, that, in fact, there are 4 raids in different modes that u can do at 80th lvl. ive had one of the best raiding times when i was waking up, there was a raid in 2 hours, i was raiding whole day on different characters and it was like this 6\7 days. RS\ICC\TOC, hcs, nms, speedruns, w/e. looking back id say that its the most huge content patch in terms of raiding. also the fact that u can gear a character really really fast adds few good points to the patch's score too.
oh. im that non subscriber. Didnt expect to see myself in a video
I started at the very end of TBC, trying out classes left right and center. But when wotlk hit, i went with ret paladin. i've never shunned away from ret pala ever since. Good memories, i can't wait
Lol the subscriber bit was great
Is it just me, or does wow's art style lend itself best to horror themes like undercity, undead, and death nights? Like the darker side of the color pallet they went with just slaps when paired with the Tim Burton Gothic horror art style. I think that's why I originally was pulled into wotlk zones so completely. Nothing since has quite had a vibe/tone achieved so perfectly.
Always enjoyed your videos , but somehow forgot to subscribe O_o
I believe at least 10% of the player base will have the TOGC mount in wrath classic by the end of the expansion.
I love the staggered boss approach tbf
Good stuff
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Thx.
For the rerelease of WotLK they should just make hc Naxx too.
I can't wait to tank naxx again with my prot pally! Getting The Safety Dance achievement on the Heigan the Unclean fight was a high point for me at the time!
Lel im that one guy who hasnt subscribed
Raiding in WotLK was not as good as in BC, but it was up there on the top. Ulduar and ICC alone put it up on the top alonside BC. They found a decent balance. The removal of attunmenets was a good move at this point:
Raids difficulty and hard modes was a great implementation, although not quite needed: TBC was a raid firnedly expansion for everyone. Casual players always had 2 to 3 raids to pick from, more dedicated hard core players had the latest raids to fight in.
WotLK was okay and fun and they should have completely stopped at this level of "raid difficulty layering"
Much much better than in TBC imo, fights way more fun. Not messing around with the difficulty would be the true DOWNFALL of raiding. It's still going strong, ofc it's not 12 million players but raiding is still top notch for a reason @ retail.
I am so psyched to relive the Naxx days.
I feel a little mention of Vault of Archavon achievement to kill all bosses within X time of eachother should have been in here. Cheers for the vid
Those that push for performance are so cringey... I log to have fun with friends and stuff not feel like I am at a workplace lol
Wille, I just found out that Conquest of Azeroth exists, can you do a review of it?
That 1 person was me.. subbed!
The one thing I think that would hurt Wrath Classic the most if repeated is the limited attempt system. If was meant to try and hard stop hardcore types it didn't then and it won't in Wrath Classic. Hardcore guilds will find ways around it by PTR'ing the upcoming raid tier and(or) have several alts to practice on before attempting the raid for real on their mains. Ultimately the limited attempt system while trying to bottleneck the hardcore types just ends up bottlenecking the casual types who play on 1 maybe 2 toons and most likely don't play on the PTR.
Yeah they can do without the hard lockouts. Maybe for Algalon since he's supposed to be a special encounter
Hi I'm that 1 guy and I'm still considering it 😆
OMG I THINK ITS ME! I AM NOT SUBSCRIBED AND LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!