I'm a Hyprland user... I really like Hyprland and especially the aspect to work through the setup and configure everything to my liking. It is more a hobby than a serious working environment, although it turns out really efficient after some time. And to be honest, most of your issues are not important for me, the others are no blockers for me. But they exist and if it doesn't work for you that's a pity, especially as it sounds like you enjoyed the rest of the experience. I really loved how fair and positive you are in this review; That was a FANTASTIC video, thank you!!!
Yeah it's not like an explicit example in the wiki. My one gripe with hyprland is my mouse keeps escaping my game window with dual monitors... Haven't found a fix yet (gamescope flickers like crazy with vrr)
@@adamnejm I guess it depends what you prefer (hence the appeal of hyprland being so configurable). I'd rather have no tearing by default. But anyways I'd rather use vrr.
@@ethanh20009 I'm not an NVIDIA user but from the PikaOS dev I saw that he has two rules in his hyprland.conf that removed the flickering for him. vfr = 0 and damage_tracking = 1 to remove electron/chromium flickering. For everyone who isn't on NVIDIA Desktop these should be 1 and 2 respectively
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I also daily Hyprland (the ML4W spin with my own edits) and cachy os. It is the peak, the very peak of any desktop experience I ever had in the past 20 years. I does take some time to get used to it (learning the hotkeys and customizing to your liking) but the work you put in really pays off
I like this. I've been pretty much daily driving Hyprland for the past 6 months or so, mostly stock (I used ML4W's Waybar) and love the experience. I just moved over to ML4W full install a few days ago, and I don't know that I can ever go back to anything else. I just equate it to installing any other desktop environment where everything is done for you. I just change the keybindings to suit me and was off and running.
yeah hyprland is more developer oriented, and i think its worth researching any part of your usage/workflow that's a litte exotic for compatibilty before getting deep into customizing - as running into a critical roadblock when you've already invested and overcame so much is going to be painful its still improving quickly, as for an example there was a major vr problem that was breaking my workflow that just got fixed! ~ although the color profile issue you mentioned may take longer to resolve completely given the tech stack
Hyprland is a lot easier to configure compared to all WMs I've tried. I never got into ricing tho, so I always had unpleasant defaults :[ +wayland on nvidia headaches tough for a beginner like me, cakewalk for experienced users
In my experience, hyprland has been very troublesome to configure and use from scratch so much so that I would just use its counterpart, swaywm or openbox for xorg ppl. What rlly started to bother me is that I simply use Linux to well get stuff done and I find that configuring and doing stuff like this is time consuming and doesn't rlly help me focus since most of the time you will be on your browser or on vim etc. and can't even see your "riced" config. Hope this made sense.
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I switched from Gnome (spent the last 10 years on it) to KDE because of all the fuss about KDE 6, Plasma, Wayland, being great blablabla... and it was a major fail (to me). I really didn't enjoy KDE, I felt it slower than Gnome. But I was willing to try something else and so I tried Hyprland on an old laptop (Lenovo X270!) and since then I'm barely using my desktop anymore (la flemme de le configurer :D). I think Hyprland and its ecosystem have a bright future!
Been running it on 3 systems for a little over 2 years now (since 0.18 beta). I personally love it but that is just my meaningless opinion. Run whatever works best for you is key. That is the beauty of Linux :)
24:30 thought this originally but the kde 4 finger touchpad gestures just work so well and for a laptop that you’d be using on occasion, the stability of kde has been a plus
My problem with it is : I don't want to spend time to setup it like 90's. Too many works to do. We need a config panel helper like in XFCE to don't overspend time to setup. But in the second scenario you want to manage a server with a small GUI, hyprland can be very good. Well, have you give a look to SWAY? Its the second WM Wayland compatible.
There's only a few DE I will use because with my workflow and monitor I prefer bars/panels that are not 100% width. I basically use a 32x9 monitor with a split panel with a gap in the middle for a full 16x9 window/game. I couldn't find a way to do that in Hyprland. In fact Plasma is the only DE I can find that does that and fully supports Wayland. Plasma is amazing and with all the ways you can customise it and do window tiling (such as the built in tiling or KZones) I don't really understand why someone would use a TWM unless they are super stretched on system resources.
Void Linux is a very interesting distro in my opinion. I had days when I was very hyped and excited to use Void. It was lacking some packages tho, I think their repos are still far away from what we have in Arch, and I want to avoid flatpaks which even on arch sometimes is not possible for me.
@@Mental_Patient I use them sometimes If I want a quick one-time access to some application. I've never used them long-term honestly, and I don't really think I should or If I ever will. Native packages are what makes me feel at home. They deliver excellent performance, and are not compromising you at any point. If there were no natives, and I would have been standing between flatpak and appimage - I would honestly go appimage. This is the most native-like way in my opinion, very comfortable, quick and easy-to-use. So yeah, appimages are indeed a great thing. The question is: Are there enough of them to make them considerable?
I could not get my keys to work properly on wayland and it failed immediately for me on linux mint, when playing deadlock for example the shift key would stop working and i could not reassign it and did not find a guide on how to fix it so i just switched back. And about the anticheat stuff on linux, cheats are always a problem you can cheat on windows mac linux ios android and whatever else, linux or equivalent open source os is the future IMO. I think its a transitional period where linux cheats are "more powerful" im sure there are solutions involving machine learning or some other novel technology that can with high accuracy detect cheats, of course there is already the opposite where cheat developers are using machine learning to simulate human mouse input to make it "undetectable" so you need the same on the other side, it is an endless battle. Thank you for your work I think moving from centralized controlled proprietary software and hardware /spyware to open source privacy friendly is very important. And ultimately everything we care about does not matter and we are all space dust.
Nice presentation ... In short, to manage 3 windows and 10 icons, you have to explore a fuck'n billion of "RTFM", write hundred of lines of code (Hyprland config files), and so on ! And maybe after all that doing, it won't even works fine ! Euuuhhhh (in french words) ... Why do it simple when you can build a huge pain in the ass !!! 🤣
I had a play with WM's I tried a few. But in my case im a hardcore mouse warrior. I often dont even have my hands on the keyboard. So the whole navigating my desktop with keyboard shortcuts just doesnt work for me. But WM's especially Hyprland look super cool and the My Linux For Work config is awesome for a newcomer that cant figure out how to make their own dotfiles.
Ya, I was considering it too, but sounds like a big hassle to get it up in running. They should try to have a GUI to configure basic stuff to help some users.
I know you prefer your own config, but I still want to share with you that the PikaOS devs have recently beta-released a Hyprland iso and their config feels really nice to me. Not much I would want to change, and since its not bloated at all the configs are really easy to keep in touch with. I heard that they will be working on graphical tools for some of these configs but personally I don't think that's even necessary. I'll stick with Pika4 Hyprland for a while now I think. I don't want to use anything else anymore for now :D (hope I haven't jinxed it now)
I agree but larger screens just takes a little setup. I use the master layout instead of dwindle on my 32:9 main & 21:9 in portrait. master { new_status = slave orientation = center always_center_master = true mfact = 0.5 } and on my 21:9 in portrait i added in: workspace = m[DP-2], layoutopt:orientation:top
Really? I found it pretty easy. It was my first wm and i’ve never tried the others. Could you tell me what exactly you found difficult about the hyprland configuration
11:26 Nope. And you are wrong. GUI applications, with gui configurations do indeed work within Hyprland. No, you are absolutely fundamentally wrong on having to edit the text config file for every application in Hyprland. I run Steam, and never needed to touch the config. It is a Gui. I play other things, on Steam, no text config file editing needed. I am not sure what you are going on about.
I am talking about installing / configuring features within the window manager like a wallpaper or a status bar. Since when Steam is a feature related to a window manager?
Hyperland is too complicated for new users and that is stopping people from using it. If you want to atttract people to it then they need to make it easier for people to edit, install stuff. People would rather stay on KDE because it's easier to write a simple command line in the konsole and boom, you are done.
While i agree, it is still a window manager. It isn't meant for new linux users and i don't think it intends to be any time soon. The config itself is surprisingly easy, compared to awesomewm for example.
@@BladeRunner-2211 All window managers require *some* configuring, there is no dodging that. If that ruins the "easy accessibility" gripe, then so be it. They are window managers for a reason, after all. (Multiple of my replies are being hidden and deleted for zero reason as of now, so I cannot reply to the guy below me.)
I'm a Hyprland user... I really like Hyprland and especially the aspect to work through the setup and configure everything to my liking. It is more a hobby than a serious working environment, although it turns out really efficient after some time.
And to be honest, most of your issues are not important for me, the others are no blockers for me. But they exist and if it doesn't work for you that's a pity, especially as it sounds like you enjoyed the rest of the experience.
I really loved how fair and positive you are in this review; That was a FANTASTIC video, thank you!!!
For allow tearing, it's a window rule, so instead of specifying the windows name, you can add the rule if it's fullscreen
I missed this one in the wiki...
Yeah it's not like an explicit example in the wiki.
My one gripe with hyprland is my mouse keeps escaping my game window with dual monitors... Haven't found a fix yet (gamescope flickers like crazy with vrr)
It's better to just specify tearing exceptions, like so:
windowrulev2 = immediate, class:^(?!Alacritty|firefox|mpv|vlc|codium).*$
@@adamnejm I guess it depends what you prefer (hence the appeal of hyprland being so configurable).
I'd rather have no tearing by default. But anyways I'd rather use vrr.
@@ethanh20009 I'm not an NVIDIA user but from the PikaOS dev I saw that he has two rules in his hyprland.conf that removed the flickering for him. vfr = 0 and damage_tracking = 1 to remove electron/chromium flickering. For everyone who isn't on NVIDIA Desktop these should be 1 and 2 respectively
I also daily Hyprland (the ML4W spin with my own edits) and cachy os. It is the peak, the very peak of any desktop experience I ever had in the past 20 years. I does take some time to get used to it (learning the hotkeys and customizing to your liking) but the work you put in really pays off
I like this. I've been pretty much daily driving Hyprland for the past 6 months or so, mostly stock (I used ML4W's Waybar) and love the experience. I just moved over to ML4W full install a few days ago, and I don't know that I can ever go back to anything else. I just equate it to installing any other desktop environment where everything is done for you. I just change the keybindings to suit me and was off and running.
Just when it's needed, I've been thinking about trying out Hyperland for the past week. Thanks!
try finding ricing videos for hyprland!
yeah hyprland is more developer oriented, and i think its worth researching any part of your usage/workflow that's a litte exotic for compatibilty before getting deep into customizing - as running into a critical roadblock when you've already invested and overcame so much is going to be painful
its still improving quickly, as for an example there was a major vr problem that was breaking my workflow that just got fixed! ~ although the color profile issue you mentioned may take longer to resolve completely given the tech stack
Did they fix the drag and drop issue between wayland and non-wayland windows?
Hyprland is a lot easier to configure compared to all WMs I've tried. I never got into ricing tho, so I always had unpleasant defaults :[ +wayland on nvidia headaches
tough for a beginner like me, cakewalk for experienced users
In my experience, hyprland has been very troublesome to configure and use from scratch so much so that I would just use its counterpart, swaywm or openbox for xorg ppl. What rlly started to bother me is that I simply use Linux to well get stuff done and I find that configuring and doing stuff like this is time consuming and doesn't rlly help me focus since most of the time you will be on your browser or on vim etc. and can't even see your "riced" config. Hope this made sense.
I switched from Gnome (spent the last 10 years on it) to KDE because of all the fuss about KDE 6, Plasma, Wayland, being great blablabla... and it was a major fail (to me). I really didn't enjoy KDE, I felt it slower than Gnome. But I was willing to try something else and so I tried Hyprland on an old laptop (Lenovo X270!) and since then I'm barely using my desktop anymore (la flemme de le configurer :D). I think Hyprland and its ecosystem have a bright future!
Been running it on 3 systems for a little over 2 years now (since 0.18 beta). I personally love it but that is just my meaningless opinion. Run whatever works best for you is key. That is the beauty of Linux :)
24:30 thought this originally but the kde 4 finger touchpad gestures just work so well and for a laptop that you’d be using on occasion, the stability of kde has been a plus
I want to like hyprland, it makes me yearn for cosmic even more.
I never found anything better than gnome on arch (with fedora second) for my workflow. Never had success with tiling window managers. I tried a lot!
My problem with it is : I don't want to spend time to setup it like 90's. Too many works to do. We need a config panel helper like in XFCE to don't overspend time to setup.
But in the second scenario you want to manage a server with a small GUI, hyprland can be very good.
Well, have you give a look to SWAY? Its the second WM Wayland compatible.
I used Hyprland for a few months and I think it is best WM atm. But I just hate Waylad on the current state, too buggy. Maybe I'll try DWM in future.
Lol I also have this little Battlenet Icon in a separate small window, but on gnome.
damn new a1rm4x vid? lets fucking go
There's only a few DE I will use because with my workflow and monitor I prefer bars/panels that are not 100% width. I basically use a 32x9 monitor with a split panel with a gap in the middle for a full 16x9 window/game. I couldn't find a way to do that in Hyprland. In fact Plasma is the only DE I can find that does that and fully supports Wayland. Plasma is amazing and with all the ways you can customise it and do window tiling (such as the built in tiling or KZones) I don't really understand why someone would use a TWM unless they are super stretched on system resources.
I bet you can do it with Waybar or Quickshell, but you could also just try running plasmashell inside Hyprland...
50% of configuration time comes from using nano instead of vim ;)
Ya, I would use Micro over Nano or Vim.
hyprland + void linux is the best combo that i've ever had
Void Linux is a very interesting distro in my opinion. I had days when I was very hyped and excited to use Void. It was lacking some packages tho, I think their repos are still far away from what we have in Arch, and I want to avoid flatpaks which even on arch sometimes is not possible for me.
Why use void over arch?
@@Ud4cznik what about an app image?
@@Mental_Patient I use them sometimes If I want a quick one-time access to some application. I've never used them long-term honestly, and I don't really think I should or If I ever will.
Native packages are what makes me feel at home. They deliver excellent performance, and are not compromising you at any point.
If there were no natives, and I would have been standing between flatpak and appimage - I would honestly go appimage. This is the most native-like way in my opinion, very comfortable, quick and easy-to-use.
So yeah, appimages are indeed a great thing. The question is: Are there enough of them to make them considerable?
I could not get my keys to work properly on wayland and it failed immediately for me on linux mint, when playing deadlock for example the shift key would stop working and i could not reassign it and did not find a guide on how to fix it so i just switched back.
And about the anticheat stuff on linux, cheats are always a problem you can cheat on windows mac linux ios android and whatever else, linux or equivalent open source os is the future IMO.
I think its a transitional period where linux cheats are "more powerful" im sure there are solutions involving machine learning or some other novel technology that can with high accuracy detect cheats, of course there is already the opposite where cheat developers are using machine learning to simulate human mouse input to make it "undetectable" so you need the same on the other side, it is an endless battle.
Thank you for your work I think moving from centralized controlled proprietary software and hardware /spyware to open source privacy friendly is very important.
And ultimately everything we care about does not matter and we are all space dust.
Wayland is a pain,I use both KDE and Hyprland so I don't get too frustrated
Have they fixed the issue between dropping files between wayland and non-wayland windows?
Nice presentation ... In short, to manage 3 windows and 10 icons, you have to explore a fuck'n billion of "RTFM", write hundred of lines of code (Hyprland config files), and so on ! And maybe after all that doing, it won't even works fine ! Euuuhhhh (in french words) ... Why do it simple when you can build a huge pain in the ass !!! 🤣
I had a play with WM's I tried a few. But in my case im a hardcore mouse warrior. I often dont even have my hands on the keyboard. So the whole navigating my desktop with keyboard shortcuts just doesnt work for me. But WM's especially Hyprland look super cool and the My Linux For Work config is awesome for a newcomer that cant figure out how to make their own dotfiles.
Brother I love your accent, keep up the good videos man.
great video helped me make my decision
Ya, I was considering it too, but sounds like a big hassle to get it up in running. They should try to have a GUI to configure basic stuff to help some users.
I know you prefer your own config, but I still want to share with you that the PikaOS devs have recently beta-released a Hyprland iso and their config feels really nice to me. Not much I would want to change, and since its not bloated at all the configs are really easy to keep in touch with.
I heard that they will be working on graphical tools for some of these configs but personally I don't think that's even necessary.
I'll stick with Pika4 Hyprland for a while now I think. I don't want to use anything else anymore for now :D
(hope I haven't jinxed it now)
7:40 i learned that the hardway....
Let me know if i'm too Arch.
Hyprland is great for laptop users and those with a single small screen. Larger screens can be awkward
I agree but larger screens just takes a little setup. I use the master layout instead of dwindle on my 32:9 main & 21:9 in portrait.
master {
new_status = slave
orientation = center
always_center_master = true
mfact = 0.5
}
and on my 21:9 in portrait i added in:
workspace = m[DP-2], layoutopt:orientation:top
I was considering Hyprland but ended up with KDE Plasma. Hyprland is too difficult to configure.
Really? I found it pretty easy. It was my first wm and i’ve never tried the others. Could you tell me what exactly you found difficult about the hyprland configuration
@@antiwokehuman figuring out how to make waybar look exactly like i want
11:26 Nope. And you are wrong. GUI applications, with gui configurations do indeed work within Hyprland. No, you are absolutely fundamentally wrong on having to edit the text config file for every application in Hyprland.
I run Steam, and never needed to touch the config. It is a Gui.
I play other things, on Steam, no text config file editing needed.
I am not sure what you are going on about.
I am talking about installing / configuring features within the window manager like a wallpaper or a status bar.
Since when Steam is a feature related to a window manager?
made me laugh, the solution to your tray icon problem is literally on the screen on the thread you are slowly zooming in on.
Does not work... Tried it already.
Hyperland is too complicated for new users and that is stopping people from using it. If you want to atttract people to it then they need to make it easier for people to edit, install stuff. People would rather stay on KDE because it's easier to write a simple command line in the konsole and boom, you are done.
@@BladeRunner-2211 Agree in 100%
While i agree, it is still a window manager. It isn't meant for new linux users and i don't think it intends to be any time soon. The config itself is surprisingly easy, compared to awesomewm for example.
@@BladeRunner-2211 the thing is, I don't think they want to attract new users.
@@BladeRunner-2211 All window managers require *some* configuring, there is no dodging that. If that ruins the "easy accessibility" gripe, then so be it. They are window managers for a reason, after all.
(Multiple of my replies are being hidden and deleted for zero reason as of now, so I cannot reply to the guy below me.)
@@RealMephres It's not "some configuring". It's A LOT configuring.