The only bad thing about getting this much discipline is that the ai straight up stops fighting you. They just get military access from 20 nations and go around you completely avoiding your troops so you cant get much value from discipline above a certain point
i just come from a monstrous 5 provinces Riga run and now I just need to try this one out. thanks bonobo keep it up you're the most creative eu4 content creator i've seen so far.
You could go espionage first for -20% AE and ditch it later. It is always viable in the hre. Then combine it with the age goal after humiliating a rival and fire the mission. It reduces agessive expansion by half.
Suggestion: Form Manchu and Qing as a chinese warlord. I recommend moving capital as Ming and then releasing Yan up in beijing since it allows you to start culture converting provinces to Jurchen fast. Don't change primary culture until you're EOC though since you'll lose Chinese Kingdom. The chinese warlord modifiers are so insane I love having them as Qing.
I feel co-responsible for this monster, I hope you had fun trying it out (especially when fully operational) Also I think that it's worth considering to try an image for this video to be a pirate with an arrow pointing to Bismarck/prussian soldier, could be interesting for more people Also for AE management, I found flipping to lower saxon culture (or Prussian could still be good) ASAP to be worthwhile, AE calculations take culture(group) into account so in other runs this could be useful And humiliation(or show of strength, it works too now) ASAP for age bonus quicker, in Gotland runs Novgorod usually after 1st war with Muscovy is good candidate
I was feeling like Dr Frankenstein after forming this lol. Was thinking about adding a pirate btw, but there are not much good paintings of them. Terror of the sea mission with Jolly Roger worked, but then thumbnail looked cluttered (borders in this run made making thumbnail difficult). And thanks for the tips!
Awesome content as always. Danzig is such a pain in the ass to get if you arent already in HRE because Poland instantly dumps my alliance no matter how much land i give them.
It's relatively new "feature" of AI, if you border each other, most likely it will hate you. So the only way to not break alliance with Poland is not to grant it provinces that will border you
Fun vid, I liked this coffe-chilling time (The music in the background lol😁) Btw, it’s an original and cool way to form prussia, you can take advantage from hsa ideas and trade to developp and build a stong economy before going into a full quality army, quite fun and efficient imo 🙃
If you give off all but the last 10 land ownership to privileges like the mana ones and gov cap ones before selling titles at the beginning you get more money for selling titles, and no punishment since you immediately abolish estates
what i do to dismantle the Hansa is to ally one of the nearby tags like verden/saxe lauenburg/oldenburg and feed them Bremen and Hamburg. That way when you break alliance with them you can conquer that land for less ae
Your prussia vassals swarm reminds me of my trebizond campaign in the VU from 1 year ago. I stole a thicc Brandenburg from Poland through a succession war. The i turned it into a brother kingdom (despite being a PU like subject, brother kingdoms count as independent country and they can declare wars or form tags like tributary subjects) so that it can form Prussia. Back then independent AI prussia used to have a special event where it would invite all north german hre tags to a conference. Depending on their opinion of prussia, the may accept or decline the invitation. After accepting the invitation, they get an offer to become vassals of prussia (to basically form the north German confederation). I did a lot of savescumming to see how it works. In one of those saves prussia vassalized almost all of northern Germany. It was strong enough to go toe to toe against austria (which already integrated full sized burgundy and hungary). It was wild to see.
Hey man, cool videos :) Can you please show the components for the 157.5? 5 quality, 5 offense, 5 prussia, 5 policy, 10 militarization, 5 gotland mission, 5 lubeck mission, 2.5 protestant, 5 advisor = 147.5. what am I missing? Thanks
Does anyone know of any other techniques that can make runs similar to this? Like stuff that can get you tons of one thing stacked up like maybe dev cost or some other modifiers?
Denmark has tons of permanent modifiers so you can start there. They have goods produced trade efficiency absolutism estates stuff and also tons of merc buffs
Can you continue this game, form russia, get their 5 % discipline bonus from their missions, then convert to zoroastrian and build up baku ateshgah vor 10 % more discipline ?
Prussian militarization requires one of the protestant denominations so it's mutually exclusive with Baku Ateshgah (though I don't think there's anything stopping from forming Russia next). Zulu and Livonian govs one are only ones with militarization not tied to religion. So for max effect it could go Livonian Order->Hansa->Russia->Zoroastrian for net 30% discipline from stupid things but jumping through all the culture swapping, conversions and missions wouldn't make it much of a fun run, not to mention impossible for MP
Needs some practice, but if you could ally Poland it's very doable. It will help against both Teutons and Denmark, and after you get some initial land, the campaign will be easier
Ещё больше возможно, вроде ещё есть событие на +5 дисциплины + абсолютизм даёт чуть больше 5 (+можно поменять религию, сформировать другие нации с миссиями на дисциплину, но это уже слишком много усилий ради маленькой выгоды). Но Пруссия это единственная нация за которую можно столько получить в обычной игре, т.к. это вроде одна из трёх наций с милитаризацией (ещё есть Зулусы и Ливония, но их нельзя сформировать за другую нацию)
Did I miss something? Or shouldn't you get a massive amount of inflation for that gold production because that monument maxed out with gold and atleast 10 dev should make the red arrow become a rocket
The rate of inflation depends on ratio of gold income to other sources of profit. So, for example, if you are playing as Kilwa and 90% of your income is from gold - expect over 100 inflation in a few decades. If you are lubeck, and gold is just 10-20% of your total income, then it's quite manageable.
Так же, можно легко взять плюс 10 морали флота и армии ,если карибы забрать, я хотел сам заколонить,но не успел, забрал у португали,даже национализировать не надо, миссия выполняется и сразу продаешь провки испании ,оставил только две провки с монументами
@@muzzammilshaikh4128 I give replies, if necessary (like if it's a question or something). Otherwise I just remember it, or if it's some cool idea I write it down.
Деваться надо было под лояльными бургерами и папской буллов очков 20 бы сэкономил, в первую войну с Данией можно взять Шетландские острова и оттуда грабить всю Британию. Если начать улучшать монумент за 1000, то потом по миссии он улучшается до 3, работает и с тортугой и с датским монументом. Имхо зря не взял миссию на 10 морали за тортугу, там можно на месяц начать 5 пров колонить, главное чтобы сама Тортуга была уже заколонена, тогда миссия работает, в Европе правда придётся расширяться через вассалов, ради форма Любека, но оно того стоит
Замечания справедливые, но путь колонизации я осознано проигнорировал, слишком много времени бы ушло ради ради +10 морали (все же основной фокус видео именно дисциплина).
Already seen his video, but believe me it's just a coincidence, I've got the idea from comments. I wouldn't be able to make a video in less than 10 hours anyway.
The only bad thing about getting this much discipline is that the ai straight up stops fighting you. They just get military access from 20 nations and go around you completely avoiding your troops so you cant get much value from discipline above a certain point
Lubeck missions are just too OP.
Looks like someone watched video about Hanseatic league
My fav mision tree
@@Nbvm0 I mean, I knew they're OP since I discover you can make the swedish copper mine into gold tbf.
i just come from a monstrous 5 provinces Riga run and now I just need to try this one out. thanks bonobo keep it up you're the most creative eu4 content creator i've seen so far.
You could go espionage first for -20% AE and ditch it later. It is always viable in the hre. Then combine it with the age goal after humiliating a rival and fire the mission. It reduces agessive expansion by half.
could also get pope
Suggestion: Form Manchu and Qing as a chinese warlord. I recommend moving capital as Ming and then releasing Yan up in beijing since it allows you to start culture converting provinces to Jurchen fast. Don't change primary culture until you're EOC though since you'll lose Chinese Kingdom.
The chinese warlord modifiers are so insane I love having them as Qing.
I feel co-responsible for this monster, I hope you had fun trying it out (especially when fully operational)
Also I think that it's worth considering to try an image for this video to be a pirate with an arrow pointing to Bismarck/prussian soldier, could be interesting for more people
Also for AE management, I found flipping to lower saxon culture (or Prussian could still be good) ASAP to be worthwhile, AE calculations take culture(group) into account so in other runs this could be useful
And humiliation(or show of strength, it works too now) ASAP for age bonus quicker, in Gotland runs Novgorod usually after 1st war with Muscovy is good candidate
I was feeling like Dr Frankenstein after forming this lol. Was thinking about adding a pirate btw, but there are not much good paintings of them. Terror of the sea mission with Jolly Roger worked, but then thumbnail looked cluttered (borders in this run made making thumbnail difficult). And thanks for the tips!
Love your content. Your one of the few eu4 TH-camrs who plays longer then to 1500 in one part
This is amazing. One of the coolest campaign ideas I've ever seen.
Awesome content as always. Danzig is such a pain in the ass to get if you arent already in HRE because Poland instantly dumps my alliance no matter how much land i give them.
It's relatively new "feature" of AI, if you border each other, most likely it will hate you. So the only way to not break alliance with Poland is not to grant it provinces that will border you
@@CoolBonobo yea i just tried but even with leaving TO between us they still turn hostile. rip.
Fun vid, I liked this coffe-chilling time (The music in the background lol😁)
Btw, it’s an original and cool way to form prussia, you can take advantage from hsa ideas and trade to developp and build a stong economy before going into a full quality army, quite fun and efficient imo 🙃
Right after Lemon Cake made a video on how to reach max discipline. Well timed.
If you give off all but the last 10 land ownership to privileges like the mana ones and gov cap ones before selling titles at the beginning you get more money for selling titles, and no punishment since you immediately abolish estates
what i do to dismantle the Hansa is to ally one of the nearby tags like verden/saxe lauenburg/oldenburg and feed them Bremen and Hamburg. That way when you break alliance with them you can conquer that land for less ae
That is what I call a good treasury 😂 🌲
Your prussia vassals swarm reminds me of my trebizond campaign in the VU from 1 year ago. I stole a thicc Brandenburg from Poland through a succession war. The i turned it into a brother kingdom (despite being a PU like subject, brother kingdoms count as independent country and they can declare wars or form tags like tributary subjects) so that it can form Prussia. Back then independent AI prussia used to have a special event where it would invite all north german hre tags to a conference. Depending on their opinion of prussia, the may accept or decline the invitation. After accepting the invitation, they get an offer to become vassals of prussia (to basically form the north German confederation). I did a lot of savescumming to see how it works. In one of those saves prussia vassalized almost all of northern Germany. It was strong enough to go toe to toe against austria (which already integrated full sized burgundy and hungary). It was wild to see.
How / since when can you form brother kimgdoms never heard of that
@@peterfeuerbach5231He meant to say personal union.
@@leviathan574 well he said being a pu like subject, so either its bad wording or he implies theres some difference
@@peterfeuerbach5231 it's in the VU mod. It adds a bunch of new subject types
@@leviathan574 He mentioned he stole the union from Poland, *then* turned it into a brother kingdom. It's a mod.
Good job. Your sub is growing
Omg, finally bonobo had some good luck, unbelievable
Can you read my mind or something? I was thinking about this EXACT strat yesterday, lol.
Awesome video.
Good campaign idea for the 40,000 marines as prussia achievement
just curious, genuinely, but why would you start as gotland specifically instead of Lubeck, or even Riga for the OP missions?
Because Gotland has +5% discipline modifer in its missions, that's the only reason basically
interesting campaign idea
Hey man, cool videos :)
Can you please show the components for the 157.5? 5 quality, 5 offense, 5 prussia, 5 policy, 10 militarization, 5 gotland mission, 5 lubeck mission, 2.5 protestant, 5 advisor = 147.5. what am I missing? Thanks
10 from the advisor event (though it's random and temporary)
@@CoolBonobo ahh ok, many thanks!
does that discipline affect mercs? I don't think it does if u had a proper manpower stack it would perform better
It does, so you can also stack it.
That was fast after Lemoncake's new vid (jk obviously)
Does anyone know of any other techniques that can make runs similar to this? Like stuff that can get you tons of one thing stacked up like maybe dev cost or some other modifiers?
Denmark has tons of permanent modifiers so you can start there. They have goods produced trade efficiency absolutism estates stuff and also tons of merc buffs
Can you continue this game, form russia, get their 5 % discipline bonus from their missions, then convert to zoroastrian and build up baku ateshgah vor 10 % more discipline ?
That's already theorycrafting territory, it's also possible to form morocco before Russia for +2,5 discipline.
Prussian militarization requires one of the protestant denominations so it's mutually exclusive with Baku Ateshgah (though I don't think there's anything stopping from forming Russia next). Zulu and Livonian govs one are only ones with militarization not tied to religion.
So for max effect it could go Livonian Order->Hansa->Russia->Zoroastrian for net 30% discipline from stupid things but jumping through all the culture swapping, conversions and missions wouldn't make it much of a fun run, not to mention impossible for MP
Man, with 1600 hours I've attempted gotland a few times but I just can't do it right I really suck at gotland but I really wanna be good at it
Needs some practice, but if you could ally Poland it's very doable. It will help against both Teutons and Denmark, and after you get some initial land, the campaign will be easier
@@CoolBonobo thanks your exploit to RM and ally Poland is gonna be useful.
Do one more episode in this game :)
В 1.36 польша сразу жаждет данциг и сразу рвет союз ,дальнейшее расширение сильно замедляется( а так песня гайд, уже 4 попытки было😄
Как всегда лайк за хороший контент. 157% дисциплины это круто, интересно, а возможно ли ещё больше дисцы получить и не за пруссию?
Ещё больше возможно, вроде ещё есть событие на +5 дисциплины + абсолютизм даёт чуть больше 5 (+можно поменять религию, сформировать другие нации с миссиями на дисциплину, но это уже слишком много усилий ради маленькой выгоды). Но Пруссия это единственная нация за которую можно столько получить в обычной игре, т.к. это вроде одна из трёх наций с милитаризацией (ещё есть Зулусы и Ливония, но их нельзя сформировать за другую нацию)
Hey. When I formed Prussia as Lubeck all my Vassals from Hansa mission got independence. How can I avoid?
It's quite weird, it's either a bug, or they were in trade league, not vassals. They should remain you vassals forever, once you get them.
You should've chosen the normal republic because they have a mission where you can get another 5 discipline
you can get 10 permanent discipline from Gotland missions as normal republic? 0.0
exclusive mission between pirate or republic. They both have the +5 discipline
Can you do Ditmarschen into Prussia?
Did I miss something? Or shouldn't you get a massive amount of inflation for that gold production
because that monument maxed out with gold and atleast 10 dev should make the red arrow become a rocket
The rate of inflation depends on ratio of gold income to other sources of profit. So, for example, if you are playing as Kilwa and 90% of your income is from gold - expect over 100 inflation in a few decades. If you are lubeck, and gold is just 10-20% of your total income, then it's quite manageable.
Ahh good to know, thx :)
I feel like you coulda pumped the discipline a little higher with some other ideas and policies
True, not from ideas if I'm not mistaken (+15 is maximum), but there are some events + absolutism
А если заранее перед появления золота в даласкасе построить воркшоп и мануфактуру ,они потом рушаться?
Хороший вопрос на самом деле, могут и сработать, все же случай редкий.
@@CoolBonoboсегодня наконец-то доделал, мануфактура сразу пропадает, а мастерская стоит, но эфект от нее не считает
Так же, можно легко взять плюс 10 морали флота и армии ,если карибы забрать, я хотел сам заколонить,но не успел, забрал у португали,даже национализировать не надо, миссия выполняется и сразу продаешь провки испании ,оставил только две провки с монументами
truly most blursed prussia
Gotland is biggest one op province. для wc самое то на v/hard
not bad , but i'd prefer scandinavia afterwards
Сразу по говору слышно, что снг-ешный чел)
Why the console open at 22:56?
Misclick on ~, it's empty and immediately closed as you can see, so nothing is typed in
Бля, и вроде акцент, но как говоришь хорошо, бегло. Успехов, друг
Спасибо!
Palishsya
he just ignores the comments in his video
I don't. I may forget about something, but I read all of them
@@CoolBonobo you may read the comments but he's right you just ignore and not give reply for some importants one
@@muzzammilshaikh4128 I give replies, if necessary (like if it's a question or something). Otherwise I just remember it, or if it's some cool idea I write it down.
@@CoolBonobo bro i am not like against you. you have good content and stuff just keep it up
Fyn er fin, resten er til grin
Деваться надо было под лояльными бургерами и папской буллов очков 20 бы сэкономил, в первую войну с Данией можно взять Шетландские острова и оттуда грабить всю Британию. Если начать улучшать монумент за 1000, то потом по миссии он улучшается до 3, работает и с тортугой и с датским монументом. Имхо зря не взял миссию на 10 морали за тортугу, там можно на месяц начать 5 пров колонить, главное чтобы сама Тортуга была уже заколонена, тогда миссия работает, в Европе правда придётся расширяться через вассалов, ради форма Любека, но оно того стоит
Замечания справедливые, но путь колонизации я осознано проигнорировал, слишком много времени бы ушло ради ради +10 морали (все же основной фокус видео именно дисциплина).
should give credit to lemon cake for this vid imo, nice game though
Already seen his video, but believe me it's just a coincidence, I've got the idea from comments. I wouldn't be able to make a video in less than 10 hours anyway.
@@CoolBonoboI saw his video and immediately thought up this strat
I want to do this. You have the best eu4 channel.
I love how he says "peace" like "ps", very calm video btw