Me too!!! It opened me up to other popular games at the time like COD 2, which I had fun playing, but Bf2 is where I spent many years of my youth playing :)
BF2 was definitely one of the best battlefield games they made. The vehicle combat was great, the teamwork and need for certain classes was great. the VOIP between commander and squad leaders, and squads was great. the whole game was amazing. it did have its annoying elements like claymores everywhere. but overall one of the best battlefields. not too long after that it turned into call of duty and it lost that spark that made it battlefield.
Bf2 air duels were the best. Two helos, two pilots and two gunners - both gunners fire TV missile and the pilots do barrel rolls / normal roll to try and dodge the TV guided missile. The speeds, ranges and map sizes were so much better too.
+Malto The newer Battlefields are fun but it is too easy to be good at them. In BF2 you have to a lot more to get better and want to play the game for a longer time. That is what I want for a good game. I don´t want to buy a new game every 6 month to keep the fun.
I love all the talk about realism, and in the video the wind is blowing like 90mph and the chopper is like "this is mighty fine weather we having, isn't it?"
Bf2 was a pc game and therefore allowed powerful freedoms. Bf4 is a console game and therefore contains a million automated features to keep incompetent, unskilled players from messing up and getting confused. PC has always been full of fast, responsive simulations in various styles (helicopter flight, city management, etc) while consoles have always been more "user-friendly". There is a universal tradeoff at work here as well. The more potential something has, the more room there is to mess it up and the harder it is to understand. The less potential something has, the easier it is to get into right away. This is why I think every competitive (even non-competitive) game should have a "hardcore" and "casual" mode. Hardcore mode will have truly impressive potential while casual mode is full of easy and friendly interaction. Developers keep trying to merge the two, but there will always be a divide between the lower population of elite players and the much much higher population of new/casual players. P.S. - and Casual modes should have autohandicaps(in which the game auto-adjusts its difficulty to fit how well the player is doing. Yes, even in a competitive environment. If you want unfriendly, serious competition then you are looking for hardcore experience and should choose that mode.) P.P.S - The Wii U Smash bros. is the only game that I've seen to include a casual and hardcore mode as separate modes ("for fun" and "for glory", respectively)
TheGreatUtopiaCat melee will always be the true smash. It's not REALLY coming back though. Nintendo needs to re-add all of the techniques that make melee so competitively viable. Keep those hardcore features in "For Glory" mode and do whatever fun-focused design they want for "For Fun" mode. Everyone's happy. Especially if they can get great connections on a regular basis in "For Glory" mode after adding these features.
it's not just with battlefield, it's with majority of today's games... that's why i sticked to simulations and non-arcady games (DCS, Il-2, Arma, Squad, Rising storm) where the learning curve is slower and therefore you enjoy the game longer...
I was a sky ninja in BF2 with the speed, maneuverability, and grace that allowed for some extremely skillful flying. 5 minutes into BF3/BF4 and those garbage excuse for helicopters don't even compare. That and how medic/engineer continue to be the only 2 classes worth playing in those games. Its a shame really.
Where did I say it needed to be more realistic? I said it's balanced between realism and playability and for good reason. It's got to act like a helicopter though hasn't it, otherwise you might as well call it a flying saucer.
Blades don't tend to break under high G manoeuvres, most of the stress is on hydraulic and main rotor head components. Rotor blades would probably stall before they broke.
BF2 was so much more skill-based. Jets and helicopters with good pilots could turn the battle completely. Hellfires destroyed everything with one hit, and the jet bombs were also very effective. In BF2 helicopters were used more for destroying armor, but in BF4 at least I just obliterated infantry around flags. Additionally, in BF4, jet vs attack helicopter battles usually turned into a lock-on war, and it would takes minutes for the other to win. In BF2, a skilled jet pilot would down a spotted heli with one strafe, unless the gunner was extremely good with Hellfires.
bf2 has far more better and realistic and also bit harder controls of heli, while in bf3 and bf4 its made easier for all to control heli, well its kind of bad, after bf2 im never piloting heli in other bf (except bc2) cuz its kind of mess
My problem with new helicopters started with bf3. It really felt like you were flying a giant bathtub rather than nimble attack helicopters. Bf2 felt far better and free with the looser controls. I generally avoid helicopters in bf4 for that reason. Even transport choppers felt much better in bf2. After getting the hang of it, it was a joy to fly any of them. Not so much in bf4. Bf3 is better in some ways, but i still much prefer 2.
+kibblewibble1 The helicopter shown in the video is in no way "nimble". It's a massive machine flying around. They call it "gunship" for a reason. In a real world scenario no AH-64 would be flying under bridges, between trees or anything like that. They sit somewhere in a safe airspace up to 2km away from anything they attack. Smaller helicopters like the AH-6 can be described as nimble, but even those helicopter wouldn't be able to do most of the maneuvers seen in any battlefield game.
+muratisteinkeks Yeah it wouldn't be seen doing it, but it would definitely be capable of doing it. Even 747's are capable of doing stuff it never do in a real world scenario. I think if an Apache had to, it would pull out some pretty spectacular maneuvers. Besides, its a video game & i was speaking generally to choppers across all 3 games... not making a statement worthy of printing in Jane's.
+Kryptonlte I dont own it, but i am still hardcore battlefield 2 player, and i felt cheated when i played battlefield 3 and 4 and found it severely lacking.
PR was always a bit too serious for me. I did however, play a ton of Point of Existence 2, Desert Conflict, Operation Peacekeeper, Eve of Destruction, and Allied Intent Xtended. I had a lot more fun playing the mods than I did playing vanilla.
bohne691 I'm the same. I think BF2 flight model, although it had a lower skill floor, was more intuitive, I think the helis behaved more as one would expect them to. I haven't been able to fly a heli since BC2. Weird, because I can fly helis very well in more realistic games like arma.
Auto centering is more realistic? Someone doesn't know how helicopters actually work. There is a reason it takes a lot of skill and training to be good at flying choppers IRL. It's very easy to lose control of the airframe and enter an unrecoverable situation just due to the nature of how helicopters work. BF2>BF4, obviously, for "realism", as if that is a word that can be used for either. Except for the good point about being able to fly sideways.....that's just silly, but part of it being a combat game, and not a sim.
+compmanio36 I've explained my reasoning with regard to autopilot function (although I don't recall mentioning 'auto centering'). Don't patronise me, please. I understand perfectly well how helicopters work.
compmanio36 I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make with a Wiki post, but with the greatest respect, I don't think you understand what I've been trying to explain, or indeed what makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about.
The only thing with BF2 that was insufferable in terms of helicopters is when clan stacking TS butt buddies would fly them above the stratosphere and drop one-hit kill TV missiles with 900 mile ranges onto every piece of armor in the map, with absolutely no way to shoot them back.
Even though this video is 2 years old, its still a great video. Mainly for showcasing the BF2 attack heli mechanics. As a battlefield player who picked it up in the beta of BF3 I hadn't ever really seen anything about battlefield 2. Thinking about getting it just to mess around with helis now haha.
BF2 heli physics FTW. I miss being able to do barrel rolls while flying under bridges!! And as everyone knows, showing off your mad skills is always more fun when someone is watching(compared to dead BF2 servers). I really don't care if they're realistic as long as it's fun. When they changed the heli physics it definitely made piloting less fun. In my mind, Battlefield has always been geared more toward fun than realism. For example, you wouldn't be able to revive someone with defibs right after they ate a tank shell. There's really no reason to try to make one aspect of the game(vehicles) adhere to aspects of realism if other aspects(infintry) obviously isn't going to. If someone thinks that everything needs to be purely realistic then they should be playing ARMA or a sim anyway. Plus, this is one of those things that and doesn't unbalance the game. Also, BF2 had way better hit registration than BF4. In BF2 when you tank shelled a heli, the heli would at least register it, the tank shell wouldn't impact merely making a *tink* sound to the pilot simply because the heli was moving at the wrong angle or speed! Granted, BF2 did have hitboxes that weren't necessarily on the vehicle models, but at least when you shot them it registered. Every single time.
My best gaming memories were from BF2. Going head to head with another chopper and once you were in T.V range your gunner would release the missile and you would do a barrel roll down into the canyons below, heading back to base for a safe reload. Or sniping the enemy team out of their chopper so that you could steal it from their spawn. Ah, Kubra Dam was a fun map.
It's incorrect to say that helicopter pilots use a sort of passive auto pilot during flight. Auto pilot is different than how you described it. Auto pilot is not a gyro effect during the pilots input as you seem to describe. Some helicopters have auto pilot but it is not activated with the pilot in physical control of the aircraft, instead, it's used to maintain a particular altitude or heading and to shoot ILS approaches. It's also wrong to say that the BF4 is more accurate to real life. Helicopters do not self right themselves unless an auto pilot is engaged which means the pilot is hands off at that point.
I'm sorry but you're quite wrong in many ways. There are many forms of auto pilot, including stability assist which is routinely activated for the duration of the flight. Please believe I know what I'm talking about.
+ShadowSix Films I'm fully aware there are probably some pilots floating around, you may be one, who knows. (There are others who know what they're talking about as well.) What I'm talking about are military helicopters like the ones portrayed in the game. For example the AH1 Cobra... The autopilot will operate in heading select, altitude hold, navigation (where it ties in with the LORAN long-range navigation system), and vertical trim modes, and can be tied to a slaved electronic horizontal situation indicator. If the pilot needs to take immediate control-for example, while taking suddenavoiding action-any movement of the cyclic control will automatically disconnect the autopilot. The Cobra has the ability during auto pilot to horizontally correct itself, but like I discussed, the auto pilot is overruled and disengaged as soon as the pilot touches the controls which is why I said the way it auto corrects in the game is not consistent with real world auto pilot functions. Therefore when the video said "The BF4 version is more realistic", I disagree based on those flight characteristics alone. The BF2 flight model is technically more accurate where a roll input is not automatically corrected upon control release, whereas the BF4 is simply easier to fly and isn't grounded in real helicopter characteristics. BF4 is another product heading the way of the ease of use model that many games seem to be going. If you'd like to point out my inconsistencies I'd like to know what it is in particular that is incorrect. Thanks for the response.
+Greg Ferguson Let me first address the fact that your original comment was non type specific, you broadly stated that 'helicopters' don't used any sort of passive auto pilot stability function during hands on flight. That is categorically false, because most modern helicopters do. You've then gone on to state some very specific facts about the Cobra, including some higher mode functions, which has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. Now I'm not familiar with the finer details of Cobra autopilot systems, but I'd be amazed if being a modern (in it's latest itiration) military helicopter it didn't have some sort of SAS. But that's more or less irrelevant, because as helicopters in BF4 and other BF titles don't have individually modelled systems, we have to talk about them in broad terms, and talk about the general feel and handling characteristics in broad terms. So when you say the BF2 flight model is technically more accurate, I'm afraid you are wrong.
+ShadowSix Films Well in broad terms of military aircraft and more specifically Rotor-wings they have no system where an auto pilot takes over the moment the controls are released. It's the same way for all aircraft. So what I said originally is still true. For this to happen, a pilot would have to release the controls then immediately turn on an auto pilot. That switch is not automatic... If it was that would be a major safety concern. The only instance where an auto pilot is toggled on immediately after release of control is before landing or after take-off. So yes, as it stands, BF2 is still more accurate of a flight model than BF4. Under combat conditions a pilot will in no way whatsoever release full control or partial control to an autopilot. The thought of that is ridiculous and hinders the ability of the pilot to maneuver the aircraft as needed on very short notice. Again, it's depicted in this way in BF4 not as accurate, but as easy to use for the gamer. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't really know where you're basing your information from, but I applaud you for sticking to what you said in the video. You'd have to remake the video if you had changed your mind. Just so you know my information comes from my face to face contact with Army pilots on a daily basis who fly one of three aircraft; AH-64 Apache, AH-60 and/or HH-60 Blackhawk, and CH-47 Chinook. I've also had the privilege of flying in Army helicopters and know what they're capable of. I see these aircraft fly daily so when I see someone say something odd, I have to at least voice what goes on in the real world so the average user, or BF4 enthusiast isn't thrown off by nonsense. On what grounds can you say BF4 is more accurate? Based on the google search of auto pilot systems? From where I stand you either don't understand auto pilot systems and how they function, or you're just formulating an opinion behind a keyboard without real world experience. You've given no solid information on how you're correct, you've only stated that I am wrong, which is a mistake.
+Greg Ferguson I think the problem here is that, and with the greatest respect, you have a fundamental misconception about the function of autopilots, which is not uncommon. More specifically, the function of autopilot stability augmentation, which is what we're talking about here. SAS works when hands are off, and more importantly, when hands are on. It's a system that's engaged throughout the flight of the aircraft, to reduce the inherent instability of helicopters, and thus reduce pilot workload. It's purpose is not to always to take on full control of the aircraft. If you take your hands off the cyclic in a helicopter without any sort of autopilot assistance, both in hover and forward flight, even if perfectly balanced at the point of release, it will stray from it's original position, and indeed accelerate until aerodynamic forces take effect. In forward flight this translates into an increasingly dramatic oscillation if left unchecked, and eventually, a fiery ball of death on the ground. Autopilots are there not only to provide hands free complete authority for alt, speed, approach profiles etc, but also to reduce this instability that would otherwise require a certain amount of concentration to overcome. Stop thinking of autopilots as purely an auto flying ability that has to be removed by the pilot before he can control the thing. It's much more complex than that.
The thing I like about old games, is that they simplistic by design. You can get into action fairly quickly, without too many elements to be concerned about.
I don't see how older BF games were more complicated. Alright, there was no auto health regen, no 3D spotting and BF2's commander system was much better because all the commanders assets were actual objects on the Battlefield to sabotage and the commander was a player on the battlefield aswell so both teams could always have one at any time, but even if the modern BF's did that, it would still be "Simplified" in your point of view, right?
+The German Mason I like how you just listed a lot of things they simplified in the newer BF games and then go on to act like its not simplifying at all. Did it ever hit you that one can simplify mechanics too? Also infantry movement in BF2 is way more real than in BF3 or BF4 where you can run around like you are Sonic the Hedgehog despite having 25kg equipment on your ass and wielding a very heavy assault rifle. Yup, nothing wrong there amiright? And they still classify themselves as military shooters? I mean you can deny it all you want but this is reality, and we all know why they do it, its marketed towards kids, BF1942 and BF2 were generally not very popular with kids, but it was with teens and people in their 20s. Why you think games sell so much today as they do? Because of kids, why do you even think consoles still exist, well kids. There is a very good reason why cellphone 'games' if you can call them that, outnumbers console and PC gamers massively, because these games are designed to be dumb, and when they are dumb ordinary people can easily play them. You know I am right, otherwise Europa Universalis IV would be selling like hotcakes right now but its not, Civ VI is doing that instead despite them both being strategy games, but one is far simpler than the other to play. Not that Civ VI is a bad game, far from it. Battlefield 3 and 4 are not bad games, they are just bad Battlefield games.
BF2 Helis and Jets are harder to fly and be effective with, but there are way less AA. BF4 Helis and Jets are easier to fly with, but half of the enemy team has stingers.
I remember trying to practice using tanks and helicopter in single player mode since they were hard to control at first. But that's what makes it fun, when you learn to use it despite having difficulty it is much more satisfying. Similarly, when I play need for speed, I deliberately enabled manual gear since it provided more challenge to me (Also it gave me way more control of the car).
BF4 is "trying" to be more realistic with regard to taking damage whilst upside down, very few helicopters can actually do a full loop without ripping off the rotors outright (a lot when doing a loop you will notice don't actually go fully upside down they tilt a tad so they're not fully upside down) I know the british lynx can do it. It was a good idea but very poorly implemented e.g constant health damage personally think it would have been better warning came through on the avionics and then just ripping off the rotor if you ignored it (would have been interesting if they added helicopters that could pull that off and others that couldn't to mix it up a bit)
Best heli psyhics were in the BF1942 mod: Desert Combat. It took many hours to get used to them and even many more to get master at those. Plus there were no lock-on missles
I like that you lent some of your real-world pilot expertise into the compare/contrast of the two games. Regardless, I preferred the BF2 choppers because it was more of an arcade feel. I don't play FPS games for realism. That's what simulator games are for. Good video.
I just wish helicopters be way more faster and response to the angles, i liked how they did it in Project Reality modification to BF2, it was really hard to fly these things but once you got it, then it was really fun to use and it looked good from ground. Also jets could be faster and change flying physics to avoid these stupid oval battles which two pilost trying to get each other making those circles... thats kinda stupid i didnt see that kind of crap in any other game. But most important thing is weapons? Make limited amunition, so we would have to go back to base to refill, also make this ammunition usefull, in BF3 i was able to kill an enemy troop on the ground with main cannon, in BF4 they made it nearly impossible, and even if you manage to hit someone it does really small damage.. i mean cmon its freaking JET wih BIG cannon, this thing shoots like 1000rpm or even more, with bullets size of a whole ak47? look at the bombs in bf4, what kind of bomb is that?
***** Oval battles happen because the planes are exactly the same with a different skin, play war thunder and the planes perform differently e.g Japanese zero excellent at turning, but much slower than most other nations planes, and performance drops off at higher alt. So in that situation you play to the zero's strengths stay low alt and try to catch the us planes out if they make a mistake with their boom and zoom tactics, in bf ALL the planes have the exact same stats so its like trying to fight someone with a plane with the exact same stats. If they were to have the planes behaving accurately the Russian planes should be FAR more agile than the US jets
No they weren't in Epoch lol. Especially when it's your first time playing the game. Everything else is easy compared to Arma. It also depends on what type you use. Auto or manual. Don't sit there and say it's not hard for new people lol. that's blatant bullshit.
the new helicopters DLC makes it proper arma quality, but before that pretty much anything you control in the air in arma is absolutely fucking retarded
in short bf2 controls were harder to master than bf3/4 heli controls, I never mastered the bf2 heli controls because I just didn't like that game at all, same goes for bf4, didn't lke it either, but I mastered in matter of minutes.
connor etchells I maybe put around 100 hours into bf2 overall, probably the lowest amount of hours I put into any battlefield game, besides 2142, which I played for around 4 or 5 hours... I just didn't like that game at all. Maybe I could've mastered it if I played more.
i honestly think that the old helicopter mechanics were more realistic. Real helicopters are not easy to fly at all and don't self center if you let off the controls. I wish they made it more realistic so it's more rewarding if you can fly well.
I was not sure to enjoy your video. I was more intrigued about it. but I appreciate it. thank you. I bought Bf 4 But did not play much then 5 hours. Back in 2004 I played alot of Bf2. Now I only do arma 2-3.
I want to ask about controls, I barely got to take control of Helis or Jets on any battle, I prefer to stick to Tanks and APCs, so, what is the easiest control setup for the Helis and Jets? Can I get a control for Jets where it like I am playing Heroes of the Pacific? I still like that plane control, for me it was the best when it came to dog-fighting and controlling a plane.
If you WANT to know why there is a limit to the degree rotation in helicopters, not all helicopters are able to do acrobatic flight. If you try to fly certain helicopters upside down irl, it will simply not do it (Namely semi-rigid rotor systems like the HUEY, the COBRA, and others). In fact, the dive that you can do in the cobra would likely kill you and the co-pilot by the full forward deflection and the hazards that would be put in because of that, but that's a video game and I don't think any developer besides full sim stuff would even worry about it.
I felt like the controls felt less sluggish in BF2. I used to be able to put the chopper into a circular strafe pattern and let my gunner unload on the enemies. BF3/4 edition of the chopper tend to drift forward possibly because of that auto correction being done so it becomes more of an oval pattern where I constantly have to correct the chopper much more as she's auto drifting forward. I also remember the turning radius being tighter in BF2, if I pushed on the stick lightly it turned with the sluggish feel BF4 has at max stick. If I pushed the stick hard it would scream through that turn much faster.
What if they make it so you can switch between a "bf2" flight model and "bf4" flight model. So when you need to be precise, you press a button and you turn on the "bf4" flight model?
Anyone remember the Desert Combat mod for bf1942? And no, I'm not looking for Pepperigde Farm on this one (eventhough they probably do remember). Just wanted to say that my absolute favorite helicopter gameplay of any game was there. No doubt!
Interesting. Watching this I thought about flying a drone. many have a GPS assisted flight mode which like B4 returns the drone to normal when you let go of the sticks. you can also switch to manual mode which gives you complete control and like BF2 requires equal input in opposite direction to return to "normal". future BF games should consider giving the pilot the option of manual mode or assisted flight. this would help meet people's demand for a better or different flight experience.
If you turn much more than 90 degrees in an AH-1Z or UH-1Y you're going to over G and over torque the fuck out of it. People would be very surprised how limited helicopters are in terms of maneuvering and rapid changes in pitch/direction.
I never played BF2 but the flight model is sort of like the desert combat mod for 1942, you can't really yaw around without being a slow speed, the controls will keep the last input, and the controls feel heavy and you can use the momentum to circle Also if you let go of the controls the helicopter will fall out of the sky
When you run around with the shotgun in bf2 it looks cooler for some reason I don't know why I REALLY like it (Note in talking about right before he hoped in to heli)
BF2 was much more fun to fly jets and helicopters. BF2 was the whole reason I got into gaming
+Jeff Beckmann sign this
same here man
+Jeff Beckmann
well bf2 was the best bf game hands down, bf 2142 was close 2nd
+Captain Obvious and now they stopped the servers
Me too!!! It opened me up to other popular games at the time like COD 2, which I had fun playing, but Bf2 is where I spent many years of my youth playing :)
BF2 was definitely one of the best battlefield games they made. The vehicle combat was great, the teamwork and need for certain classes was great. the VOIP between commander and squad leaders, and squads was great. the whole game was amazing. it did have its annoying elements like claymores everywhere. but overall one of the best battlefields. not too long after that it turned into call of duty and it lost that spark that made it battlefield.
Bf2 air duels were the best. Two helos, two pilots and two gunners - both gunners fire TV missile and the pilots do barrel rolls / normal roll to try and dodge the TV guided missile. The speeds, ranges and map sizes were so much better too.
Kerenton miss those old days and when you wish you can do barrel rolls all day or you miss you're tv guiding skills are l33tz pro
dude you can still play BF2. just type bf2revive and install it. plenty of full servers!
+Krokussify they also revived bf2142
BF2 had such nice, vibrant colors. now a days, games have these horrible washed out, dusty, dystopian high contrast graphics
BF2 was the last true Battlefield. (2142 was still good) The new Battlefields are not as difficult as the old ones.
There still fun tho
+Dennis3RunLP So basacally the harder a game gets is the funnier it is or what?
+Malto y ofc
+Malto The newer Battlefields are fun but it is too easy to be good at them. In BF2 you have to a lot more to get better and want to play the game for a longer time. That is what I want for a good game. I don´t want to buy a new game every 6 month to keep the fun.
+Dennis3RunLP really i feel the newer ones are harder than BF2
The skill cap in BF4 i way too low compared to BF2.
I love all the talk about realism, and in the video the wind is blowing like 90mph and the chopper is like "this is mighty fine weather we having, isn't it?"
Bf2 was a pc game and therefore allowed powerful freedoms. Bf4 is a console game and therefore contains a million automated features to keep incompetent, unskilled players from messing up and getting confused. PC has always been full of fast, responsive simulations in various styles (helicopter flight, city management, etc) while consoles have always been more "user-friendly". There is a universal tradeoff at work here as well. The more potential something has, the more room there is to mess it up and the harder it is to understand. The less potential something has, the easier it is to get into right away. This is why I think every competitive (even non-competitive) game should have a "hardcore" and "casual" mode. Hardcore mode will have truly impressive potential while casual mode is full of easy and friendly interaction. Developers keep trying to merge the two, but there will always be a divide between the lower population of elite players and the much much higher population of new/casual players.
P.S. - and Casual modes should have autohandicaps(in which the game auto-adjusts its difficulty to fit how well the player is doing. Yes, even in a competitive environment. If you want unfriendly, serious competition then you are looking for hardcore experience and should choose that mode.)
P.P.S - The Wii U Smash bros. is the only game that I've seen to include a casual and hardcore mode as separate modes ("for fun" and "for glory", respectively)
TheGreatUtopiaCat melee will always be the true smash. It's not REALLY coming back though. Nintendo needs to re-add all of the techniques that make melee so competitively viable. Keep those hardcore features in "For Glory" mode and do whatever fun-focused design they want for "For Fun" mode. Everyone's happy.
Especially if they can get great connections on a regular basis in "For Glory" mode after adding these features.
Ryan Bissonnette melee online is all i need now....pc for life
omg really? very stupid
+Hz lunax_ shut up console peasent.
+Martin Kanzel how u wanna know idiod
Battlefield making their games simplistic and easy to learn is what made them bad.
***** Sorry, I should have included that my statement speaks for all serious gamers
+AetheriusFoxx Oh please, that's a pathetic statement.
In before butthurt casuals.
AetheriusFoxx Pretty much BF1.
it's not just with battlefield, it's with majority of today's games... that's why i sticked to simulations and non-arcady games (DCS, Il-2, Arma, Squad, Rising storm) where the learning curve is slower and therefore you enjoy the game longer...
I was a sky ninja in BF2 with the speed, maneuverability, and grace that allowed for some extremely skillful flying. 5 minutes into BF3/BF4 and those garbage excuse for helicopters don't even compare. That and how medic/engineer continue to be the only 2 classes worth playing in those games. Its a shame really.
"I got your ammo here!"
Why do it need to be realistic? it's a game it should be fun... Bring back the bf2 flight model...
Where did I say it needed to be more realistic? I said it's balanced between realism and playability and for good reason. It's got to act like a helicopter though hasn't it, otherwise you might as well call it a flying saucer.
Qwizzle sgie Not as demonstrated in the video they can't, which was my point. If you're not 100% sure, why comment?
Blades don't tend to break under high G manoeuvres, most of the stress is on hydraulic and main rotor head components. Rotor blades would probably stall before they broke.
Haha, they don't, honestly! Trust me on this one.
Oh I know they are capable of manoeuvres like that, but blades don't generally break under load in those circumstances.
BF2 was so much more skill-based. Jets and helicopters with good pilots could turn the battle completely. Hellfires destroyed everything with one hit, and the jet bombs were also very effective. In BF2 helicopters were used more for destroying armor, but in BF4 at least I just obliterated infantry around flags. Additionally, in BF4, jet vs attack helicopter battles usually turned into a lock-on war, and it would takes minutes for the other to win. In BF2, a skilled jet pilot would down a spotted heli with one strafe, unless the gunner was extremely good with Hellfires.
i know it is a while ago but what is about the tow missile from the pilot
bf2 has far more better and realistic and also bit harder controls of heli, while in bf3 and bf4 its made easier for all to control heli, well its kind of bad, after bf2 im never piloting heli in other bf (except bc2) cuz its kind of mess
BF2 Is not more realistic.
ShadowSix Films well u wrong about that mate !
go watch and see how AH fly IRL !!
Gray Fox I fly helicopters for a living. BF2 is not more realistic.
well u right but at the end its just a game !
my point is flying helis in BF2 are much better than BF4 imho anyway great video mate !
ShadowSix Films PR best
Bf2 is better in everything
My problem with new helicopters started with bf3. It really felt like you were flying a giant bathtub rather than nimble attack helicopters. Bf2 felt far better and free with the looser controls. I generally avoid helicopters in bf4 for that reason. Even transport choppers felt much better in bf2. After getting the hang of it, it was a joy to fly any of them. Not so much in bf4. Bf3 is better in some ways, but i still much prefer 2.
+kibblewibble1 The helicopter shown in the video is in no way "nimble". It's a massive machine flying around. They call it "gunship" for a reason. In a real world scenario no AH-64 would be flying under bridges, between trees or anything like that. They sit somewhere in a safe airspace up to 2km away from anything they attack. Smaller helicopters like the AH-6 can be described as nimble, but even those helicopter wouldn't be able to do most of the maneuvers seen in any battlefield game.
+muratisteinkeks Yeah it wouldn't be seen doing it, but it would definitely be capable of doing it. Even 747's are capable of doing stuff it never do in a real world scenario. I think if an Apache had to, it would pull out some pretty spectacular maneuvers. Besides, its a video game & i was speaking generally to choppers across all 3 games... not making a statement worthy of printing in Jane's.
I think every BF Veteran knows that his will forever be the golden boy... Good ol' BF2!
Why am i watching this at 4am when i don't own this game
+Kryptonlte same here
+Kryptonlte I dont own it, but i am still hardcore battlefield 2 player, and i felt cheated when i played battlefield 3 and 4 and found it severely lacking.
damn shame. But i found something called project reality mod which is battlefield 2 standalone. Seems pretty good.
battlelog co
PR was always a bit too serious for me. I did however, play a ton of Point of Existence 2, Desert Conflict, Operation Peacekeeper, Eve of Destruction, and Allied Intent Xtended. I had a lot more fun playing the mods than I did playing vanilla.
i was a pro heli pilot in bf2 , in bf3 and 4 im nooby with heli, i dont know why
im pro im a apache pilot in real life but in games i always fail hard hehe
Atleast misterdoc understands me :) thank you for that sir
***** Thank you
Sq1zZy do something about the gramar bro...
bohne691 I'm the same. I think BF2 flight model, although it had a lower skill floor, was more intuitive, I think the helis behaved more as one would expect them to. I haven't been able to fly a heli since BC2. Weird, because I can fly helis very well in more realistic games like arma.
Battlefield is ruined by console gamers, in my opinion. Flight is far easyer, and avoiding getting killed is close to impossible compared to BF2.
Battlefield for everything - infantry, planes, helicopters, tanks, cars, LAF's, etc etc was ruined by the console retardation of the series.
***** Dead right.
stalin was cancer I believe they were agreeing with you
stalin was cancer
He isn't arrogant and realizes that some are like that. :)
***** Like this has to do with the OP. I am not going to argue with you, because it is off-topic.
Auto centering is more realistic? Someone doesn't know how helicopters actually work. There is a reason it takes a lot of skill and training to be good at flying choppers IRL. It's very easy to lose control of the airframe and enter an unrecoverable situation just due to the nature of how helicopters work.
BF2>BF4, obviously, for "realism", as if that is a word that can be used for either. Except for the good point about being able to fly sideways.....that's just silly, but part of it being a combat game, and not a sim.
+compmanio36 I've explained my reasoning with regard to autopilot function (although I don't recall mentioning 'auto centering'). Don't patronise me, please. I understand perfectly well how helicopters work.
You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_flight_controls
compmanio36 I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make with a Wiki post, but with the greatest respect, I don't think you understand what I've been trying to explain, or indeed what makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about.
He flies helicopters for a living, so I'm reasonably sure he knows what he is talking about.
lol xD
Thumbs up for using the Airwolf theme
The only thing with BF2 that was insufferable in terms of helicopters is when clan stacking TS butt buddies would fly them above the stratosphere and drop one-hit kill TV missiles with 900 mile ranges onto every piece of armor in the map, with absolutely no way to shoot them back.
Even though this video is 2 years old, its still a great video. Mainly for showcasing the BF2 attack heli mechanics. As a battlefield player who picked it up in the beta of BF3 I hadn't ever really seen anything about battlefield 2. Thinking about getting it just to mess around with helis now haha.
lockon field 4
tv missile field 2
+Caleb U W To some degree yes, but the TV missiles were in very limited supply.
+Caleb U W Heli/Jet field 2!
+Dennis Liu project reality bro
Vehiclefield 4
BF2 > BF4
You were in an inverted dive....
with a MIG-28????
At what range....?
top gun
+Theonlypayne About 2 meters.
+Theonlypayne ehm, mythical mig-28 (F-5?), or mi-28?
I have a perfect Polaroid of it.
+Theonlypayne MI 28*
Flying in BF2 was frustratingly hard, but when you pulled off a great manoeuvre or evasion, man, the sense of joy from achievement just felt great.
BF2 heli physics FTW. I miss being able to do barrel rolls while flying under bridges!! And as everyone knows, showing off your mad skills is always more fun when someone is watching(compared to dead BF2 servers). I really don't care if they're realistic as long as it's fun. When they changed the heli physics it definitely made piloting less fun. In my mind, Battlefield has always been geared more toward fun than realism. For example, you wouldn't be able to revive someone with defibs right after they ate a tank shell. There's really no reason to try to make one aspect of the game(vehicles) adhere to aspects of realism if other aspects(infintry) obviously isn't going to. If someone thinks that everything needs to be purely realistic then they should be playing ARMA or a sim anyway. Plus, this is one of those things that and doesn't unbalance the game. Also, BF2 had way better hit registration than BF4. In BF2 when you tank shelled a heli, the heli would at least register it, the tank shell wouldn't impact merely making a *tink* sound to the pilot simply because the heli was moving at the wrong angle or speed! Granted, BF2 did have hitboxes that weren't necessarily on the vehicle models, but at least when you shot them it registered. Every single time.
My best gaming memories were from BF2. Going head to head with another chopper and once you were in T.V range your gunner would release the missile and you would do a barrel roll down into the canyons below, heading back to base for a safe reload. Or sniping the enemy team out of their chopper so that you could steal it from their spawn. Ah, Kubra Dam was a fun map.
bf2 best game ever
It's incorrect to say that helicopter pilots use a sort of passive auto pilot during flight. Auto pilot is different than how you described it. Auto pilot is not a gyro effect during the pilots input as you seem to describe. Some helicopters have auto pilot but it is not activated with the pilot in physical control of the aircraft, instead, it's used to maintain a particular altitude or heading and to shoot ILS approaches. It's also wrong to say that the BF4 is more accurate to real life. Helicopters do not self right themselves unless an auto pilot is engaged which means the pilot is hands off at that point.
I'm sorry but you're quite wrong in many ways. There are many forms of auto pilot, including stability assist which is routinely activated for the duration of the flight. Please believe I know what I'm talking about.
+ShadowSix Films I'm fully aware there are probably some pilots floating around, you may be one, who knows. (There are others who know what they're talking about as well.) What I'm talking about are military helicopters like the ones portrayed in the game. For example the AH1 Cobra... The autopilot will operate in heading select, altitude hold, navigation (where it ties in with the LORAN long-range navigation system), and vertical trim modes, and can be tied to a slaved electronic horizontal situation indicator. If the pilot needs to take immediate control-for example, while taking suddenavoiding action-any movement of the cyclic control will automatically disconnect the autopilot. The Cobra has the ability during auto pilot to horizontally correct itself, but like I discussed, the auto pilot is overruled and disengaged as soon as the pilot touches the controls which is why I said the way it auto corrects in the game is not consistent with real world auto pilot functions. Therefore when the video said "The BF4 version is more realistic", I disagree based on those flight characteristics alone. The BF2 flight model is technically more accurate where a roll input is not automatically corrected upon control release, whereas the BF4 is simply easier to fly and isn't grounded in real helicopter characteristics. BF4 is another product heading the way of the ease of use model that many games seem to be going. If you'd like to point out my inconsistencies I'd like to know what it is in particular that is incorrect. Thanks for the response.
+Greg Ferguson Let me first address the fact that your original comment was non type specific, you broadly stated that 'helicopters' don't used any sort of passive auto pilot stability function during hands on flight. That is categorically false, because most modern helicopters do.
You've then gone on to state some very specific facts about the Cobra, including some higher mode functions, which has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. Now I'm not familiar with the finer details of Cobra autopilot systems, but I'd be amazed if being a modern (in it's latest itiration) military helicopter it didn't have some sort of SAS.
But that's more or less irrelevant, because as helicopters in BF4 and other BF titles don't have individually modelled systems, we have to talk about them in broad terms, and talk about the general feel and handling characteristics in broad terms. So when you say the BF2 flight model is technically more accurate, I'm afraid you are wrong.
+ShadowSix Films Well in broad terms of military aircraft and more specifically Rotor-wings they have no system where an auto pilot takes over the moment the controls are released. It's the same way for all aircraft. So what I said originally is still true. For this to happen, a pilot would have to release the controls then immediately turn on an auto pilot. That switch is not automatic... If it was that would be a major safety concern.
The only instance where an auto pilot is toggled on immediately after release of control is before landing or after take-off. So yes, as it stands, BF2 is still more accurate of a flight model than BF4. Under combat conditions a pilot will in no way whatsoever release full control or partial control to an autopilot. The thought of that is ridiculous and hinders the ability of the pilot to maneuver the aircraft as needed on very short notice. Again, it's depicted in this way in BF4 not as accurate, but as easy to use for the gamer. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't really know where you're basing your information from, but I applaud you for sticking to what you said in the video. You'd have to remake the video if you had changed your mind. Just so you know my information comes from my face to face contact with Army pilots on a daily basis who fly one of three aircraft; AH-64 Apache, AH-60 and/or HH-60 Blackhawk, and CH-47 Chinook. I've also had the privilege of flying in Army helicopters and know what they're capable of. I see these aircraft fly daily so when I see someone say something odd, I have to at least voice what goes on in the real world so the average user, or BF4 enthusiast isn't thrown off by nonsense.
On what grounds can you say BF4 is more accurate? Based on the google search of auto pilot systems? From where I stand you either don't understand auto pilot systems and how they function, or you're just formulating an opinion behind a keyboard without real world experience. You've given no solid information on how you're correct, you've only stated that I am wrong, which is a mistake.
+Greg Ferguson I think the problem here is that, and with the greatest respect, you have a fundamental misconception about the function of autopilots, which is not uncommon. More specifically, the function of autopilot stability augmentation, which is what we're talking about here. SAS works when hands are off, and more importantly, when hands are on. It's a system that's engaged throughout the flight of the aircraft, to reduce the inherent instability of helicopters, and thus reduce pilot workload. It's purpose is not to always to take on full control of the aircraft.
If you take your hands off the cyclic in a helicopter without any sort of autopilot assistance, both in hover and forward flight, even if perfectly balanced at the point of release, it will stray from it's original position, and indeed accelerate until aerodynamic forces take effect. In forward flight this translates into an increasingly dramatic oscillation if left unchecked, and eventually, a fiery ball of death on the ground.
Autopilots are there not only to provide hands free complete authority for alt, speed, approach profiles etc, but also to reduce this instability that would otherwise require a certain amount of concentration to overcome.
Stop thinking of autopilots as purely an auto flying ability that has to be removed by the pilot before he can control the thing. It's much more complex than that.
The addition of the Airwolf theme fucking had me dying. Good shit mate.
Should take a look at the project reality flight model
Bf2 is and it's more cooler and it's fun
i liked the choppi controls in BF 4. And the best thing was that you had that training-mode cause that was the only time i got to fly it
The thing I like about old games, is that they simplistic by design.
You can get into action fairly quickly, without too many elements to be concerned about.
Ironically the flight model in 2005 was much more complex and dynamic.
Did you just fucking cue the Airwolf fucking theme song? you are my hero
Really hated how they simplified Battlefield games so much these days, its disgusting.
But if it was that difficult now 4 and 5 year olders woulndent stop complaning abaut them not getting even one kill
I don't see how older BF games were more complicated.
Alright, there was no auto health regen, no 3D spotting and BF2's commander system was much better because all the commanders assets were actual objects on the Battlefield to sabotage and the commander was a player on the battlefield aswell so both teams could always have one at any time, but even if the modern BF's did that, it would still be "Simplified" in your point of view, right?
SMGJohn there dong it with all games now
+The German Mason
I like how you just listed a lot of things they simplified in the newer BF games and then go on to act like its not simplifying at all.
Did it ever hit you that one can simplify mechanics too?
Also infantry movement in BF2 is way more real than in BF3 or BF4 where you can run around like you are Sonic the Hedgehog despite having 25kg equipment on your ass and wielding a very heavy assault rifle.
Yup, nothing wrong there amiright? And they still classify themselves as military shooters?
I mean you can deny it all you want but this is reality, and we all know why they do it, its marketed towards kids, BF1942 and BF2 were generally not very popular with kids, but it was with teens and people in their 20s.
Why you think games sell so much today as they do? Because of kids, why do you even think consoles still exist, well kids.
There is a very good reason why cellphone 'games' if you can call them that, outnumbers console and PC gamers massively, because these games are designed to be dumb, and when they are dumb ordinary people can easily play them.
You know I am right, otherwise Europa Universalis IV would be selling like hotcakes right now but its not, Civ VI is doing that instead despite them both being strategy games, but one is far simpler than the other to play. Not that Civ VI is a bad game, far from it.
Battlefield 3 and 4 are not bad games, they are just bad Battlefield games.
Hence why I play Arma
Good to know that they will remove the restrictions in CTE soon
Can't wait :)
BF2 Helis and Jets are harder to fly and be effective with, but there are way less AA. BF4 Helis and Jets are easier to fly with, but half of the enemy team has stingers.
I remember trying to practice using tanks and helicopter in single player mode since they were hard to control at first.
But that's what makes it fun, when you learn to use it despite having difficulty it is much more satisfying.
Similarly, when I play need for speed, I deliberately enabled manual gear since it provided more challenge to me (Also it gave me way more control of the car).
Your flying skills feel like a scripted cutscene.
Sentry Turbo In a good way.
Why is this on my recommended I don't even play battlefield, fucking TH-cam
BF4 is "trying" to be more realistic with regard to taking damage whilst upside down, very few helicopters can actually do a full loop without ripping off the rotors outright (a lot when doing a loop you will notice don't actually go fully upside down they tilt a tad so they're not fully upside down) I know the british lynx can do it. It was a good idea but very poorly implemented e.g constant health damage personally think it would have been better warning came through on the avionics and then just ripping off the rotor if you ignored it (would have been interesting if they added helicopters that could pull that off and others that couldn't to mix it up a bit)
Airwolf sound made my day! Thx for this)
in bf2 the IRAQ heli was so op !
How about pre nerfed blackhawk miniguns? Oh the point farming was real...
+JakeThaCake also op u could kill tank with it
WarBird MI-28 that cannon
Against infantry and before the nerfing update of the cannon - yes but the Cobra was more agile and maneuverable.
The miniguns could rip through an APC in seconds.
Awwww the nostalgia! BF2 and Airwolf theme, hell yeah! :D
thumbs up for airwolf music
battlefield 2 is better
Best heli psyhics were in the BF1942 mod: Desert Combat. It took many hours to get used to them and even many more to get master at those. Plus there were no lock-on missles
I like that you lent some of your real-world pilot expertise into the compare/contrast of the two games. Regardless, I preferred the BF2 choppers because it was more of an arcade feel. I don't play FPS games for realism. That's what simulator games are for. Good video.
I don't know what helicopter simulation you're referring too, but the BF2 flight model is way more realistic in every way.
Man, you got some amazing heli skills.
I still think the BF1:DC chopper flight was the best.
zdrux Use to tear it up with the little birds, insanely fast and agil.
I honestly love the bluebird in bf2 bc its easy to use and maneuver
HA the Airwolf theme used to love that show when I was a kid..
I just wish helicopters be way more faster and response to the angles, i liked how they did it in Project Reality modification to BF2, it was really hard to fly these things but once you got it, then it was really fun to use and it looked good from ground. Also jets could be faster and change flying physics to avoid these stupid oval battles which two pilost trying to get each other making those circles... thats kinda stupid i didnt see that kind of crap in any other game. But most important thing is weapons? Make limited amunition, so we would have to go back to base to refill, also make this ammunition usefull, in BF3 i was able to kill an enemy troop on the ground with main cannon, in BF4 they made it nearly impossible, and even if you manage to hit someone it does really small damage.. i mean cmon its freaking JET wih BIG cannon, this thing shoots like 1000rpm or even more, with bullets size of a whole ak47? look at the bombs in bf4, what kind of bomb is that?
Rocket Pods the bf3 are my favorite and the bf4 bomb is called the "JDAM'
***** Oval battles happen because the planes are exactly the same with a different skin, play war thunder and the planes perform differently e.g Japanese zero excellent at turning, but much slower than most other nations planes, and performance drops off at higher alt. So in that situation you play to the zero's strengths stay low alt and try to catch the us planes out if they make a mistake with their boom and zoom tactics, in bf ALL the planes have the exact same stats so its like trying to fight someone with a plane with the exact same stats. If they were to have the planes behaving accurately the Russian planes should be FAR more agile than the US jets
Don't complain about something being hard to fly in BF until you play arma for the first time lol.
Flying helis in arma is easy.
No they weren't in Epoch lol. Especially when it's your first time playing the game. Everything else is easy compared to Arma. It also depends on what type you use. Auto or manual. Don't sit there and say it's not hard for new people lol. that's blatant bullshit.
thelonewolf9603 they are easy to fly. It only takes a peep at the tutorial to fly
the new helicopters DLC makes it proper arma quality, but before that pretty much anything you control in the air in arma is absolutely fucking retarded
Selfish Eyes Only with advanced flight model though, otherwise it's basically battlefield 2
Whoa, first time hearing someone using Airwolf theme on internet. :P
Nice!
in short bf2 controls were harder to master than bf3/4 heli controls, I never mastered the bf2 heli controls because I just didn't like that game at all, same goes for bf4, didn't lke it either, but I mastered in matter of minutes.
Yeah because it was easier and less realistic.
connor etchells
I maybe put around 100 hours into bf2 overall, probably the lowest amount of hours I put into any battlefield game, besides 2142, which I played for around 4 or 5 hours... I just didn't like that game at all. Maybe I could've mastered it if I played more.
Man you are so good at controlling the heli.
This was a great video. Very well done.
So that's why I saw some jabroni flying practically sideways earlier in Battlefield 2. The physics are a bit whack.
i honestly think that the old helicopter mechanics were more realistic. Real helicopters are not easy to fly at all and don't self center if you let off the controls. I wish they made it more realistic so it's more rewarding if you can fly well.
I miss the awesome BF2 flying. Also Bomber jets with passengers is something I miss!
My favorite was bf3 flying, I was a monster in the jets. Loved rush with the attack jets, no I don't even fly the jets.
man this remindes me to the good old times, bf2 dalian plant 2v2 :D!!! btw, this was the biggest nerf for the heli and the tv rockets in bf4..
I miss solo flying in Bf2 most of my 90+ kill streaks were from choppers, especially MEC on sharqi, that cannon was op as fuck.
What about the helicopters in BF1¿
CONGRATULATIONS! 1 thousand like.
+Boss For Driving Golly, thank you!
+ShadowSix Films on a side note you fly amazingly well. Hope you still play bf2 man.
1v1 helo battles were so fun in bf2. TV guides and barrel rolls please!
BF2 helis was much more fun and more difficult to master...
S6, can you do an updated version of this video with all the changes to helis that there's been
The attack heli in bf4 can now do barrel rolls and loops as of the last update. I've begun to enjoy piloting again!!
I was not sure to enjoy your video. I was more intrigued about it. but I appreciate it. thank you. I bought Bf 4 But did not play much then 5 hours. Back in 2004 I played alot of Bf2. Now I only do arma 2-3.
Make a updated version please. The new heli physics are great, most of what you said doesn't apply anymore.
As Arma 3 enthusiast I cry blood bc the mechanics of BF4.
Oh, you play ArmA 3? Well, not even the advanced flight model is realistic. But at least you get to choose.. O.o
I want to ask about controls, I barely got to take control of Helis or Jets on any battle, I prefer to stick to Tanks and APCs, so, what is the easiest control setup for the Helis and Jets? Can I get a control for Jets where it like I am playing Heroes of the Pacific? I still like that plane control, for me it was the best when it came to dog-fighting and controlling a plane.
If you WANT to know why there is a limit to the degree rotation in helicopters, not all helicopters are able to do acrobatic flight. If you try to fly certain helicopters upside down irl, it will simply not do it (Namely semi-rigid rotor systems like the HUEY, the COBRA, and others). In fact, the dive that you can do in the cobra would likely kill you and the co-pilot by the full forward deflection and the hazards that would be put in because of that, but that's a video game and I don't think any developer besides full sim stuff would even worry about it.
ur da best bf helicopter expert ever
You forgot about the single seat TV missile madness in BF2. So entertaining to do and so infuriating to play against.
I felt like the controls felt less sluggish in BF2. I used to be able to put the chopper into a circular strafe pattern and let my gunner unload on the enemies. BF3/4 edition of the chopper tend to drift forward possibly because of that auto correction being done so it becomes more of an oval pattern where I constantly have to correct the chopper much more as she's auto drifting forward. I also remember the turning radius being tighter in BF2, if I pushed on the stick lightly it turned with the sluggish feel BF4 has at max stick. If I pushed the stick hard it would scream through that turn much faster.
your voice like galahad in KINGSMAN
What if they make it so you can switch between a "bf2" flight model and "bf4" flight model. So when you need to be precise, you press a button and you turn on the "bf4" flight model?
Anyone remember the Desert Combat mod for bf1942? And no, I'm not looking for Pepperigde Farm on this one (eventhough they probably do remember). Just wanted to say that my absolute favorite helicopter gameplay of any game was there. No doubt!
Now that makes me want to try BF4
Interesting. Watching this I thought about flying a drone. many have a GPS assisted flight mode which like B4 returns the drone to normal when you let go of the sticks. you can also switch to manual mode which gives you complete control and like BF2 requires equal input in opposite direction to return to "normal". future BF games should consider giving the pilot the option of manual mode or assisted flight. this would help meet people's demand for a better or different flight experience.
If you turn much more than 90 degrees in an AH-1Z or UH-1Y you're going to over G and over torque the fuck out of it. People would be very surprised how limited helicopters are in terms of maneuvering and rapid changes in pitch/direction.
*Sigh* I miss Battlefield games that weren't awful Call of Duty emulators.
Then play BF2. Nothing is stopping you
Tichondrius1 Lay down the fucking crack pipe
I never played BF2 but the flight model is sort of like the desert combat mod for 1942, you can't really yaw around without being a slow speed, the controls will keep the last input, and the controls feel heavy and you can use the momentum to circle
Also if you let go of the controls the helicopter will fall out of the sky
bf4free had the best heli flight controls ever.
Reminds me so much of P4F * cry * Those good old times
Wologan B. play2win yeah
Loven the Air Wolf theme song!
4:18 Question: Were BF2 helicopters more entertaining? Were they more enjoyable? Well... *Airwolf sountrack starts playing*
When you run around with the shotgun in bf2 it looks cooler for some reason
I don't know why I REALLY like it
(Note in talking about right before he hoped in to heli)
Nice Platoon Leader music there.
BF4 aren't helicopters, they're money-propelled UFOs.
BF2 was the last true Battlefield! (2)
At the start I thought this was one of those german videos with an english title..
in bf2 you actually had to train a bit to be able flying a helicopter.
I SEXUALLY INDENTIFY AS AN ATTACK HELICOPTER!
ReL4yZz dead meme
Please, do ArmA II/III vs Battlefield :D
nope, arma is a mil sim while bf is fast paced game