@@FunkyRay2012 They also see the replay and if the referee sees a fault they can overule what was called. But if they called something by mistake and it happen to not be the case, they have to replay the point. That's in the rule book.
What a nonsense. I agree with the open hand, but no net fault in the following point. At the end it still would be 15:13 for Germany if you count 1 point for Norway for the open hand.
@@MaxisMaximal It would be 14 - 13 cuz u also gotta remove a point from Germany. And it would also be Germany's serve with Norway's insane's side-outs.
Are you referring to the play at 12:11 Germany? Because that is the only call debatable. The one right after was just announced wrongly. And in my opinion one call can go wrong all of the time even though it is unfortunate. Also you are making this look as if it was all the refs which is hugely discrediting the work Thole / Wickler put in.
@@FredoMadison It's not debatable, it's flat out wrong. And for a point that would make it 12-12 instead of 13-11 in a 15 point set, that is incredibly impactful. We were robbed from a more exciting end.
@@7Lothar7 No, because they weren't able to stay impartial in the 3rd set. One miss called with the open hand tip and the bad net call from the 2nd referee should have be replay cause of a wrong call. Those are written in black and white in the Beach Volleyball rulebook.
Looking back at that play, there wasn't much of a push; it almost looked like simultaneous contact. If it was, then it's completely legal for him to wipe it off the block. The question is was there a gap between Wickler touching the ball and Anders' block.
@@lucassands1346 and i think we all know that when things get tight the vikings usually stand up and go for the win, i dont know if i can blame the first referee on that ball because of the way that anders had his arms...but the second referee should have called that...and they cant even challenge that type of play, im a huge HUGE fan of tge vikings and i hate to see them lose even more in a worlds championship like this
Since there was simultanious contact above the net, NOR could have called challenge for "no block touch". It would then be called out of the team (GER) on the opposite side
@@SimasSkilinskas i dont know if it would apply because (Example: if you call for block touch and the player touches the net you cant do nothing because the call wasnt for net touch)
Norway will come back and have their second chance hopefully with a more careful referee this time. What a shame. It could have been a different result if referee wasn't blind or Wickler was honest.
Why is everyone talking about the refereeing ? There was only 1 clear mistake at the end of the 3rd set. The win of germany was totally deserved if you look at the whole game
@@pppdddqqqbbb It was a great game all around, but a missed call in the 3rd set that made the score 13-11 vs 12-12 on top of mentally frustrating the Netherlands team completely swayed the outcome of the match. It still could have gone either way, but this call and the timing of it was definitely unfortunate.
you probably don't play competitive or pro volleyball or any other competitive sports for that matter. Have you heard of momentum shifting in a game??? The point was so crucial and it was in the third set and towards the end of the last match, and it wasn't hard to call, the commentator saw it. No one is perfect >> referee... buuuut both teams played hard and it doesn't matter, it's over but opinions has to be weigh in at the end. German won :) good game end of the story.
So the ref totally missed that call but what I don't understand either is that he never called any of Wickler's hand sets. They should really be a bit more strict on the fivb tour with the sloppy hand sets imo.
He did not "lozanul"....lol...he basically set up a final for Krasilnikov against a weaker team. Got Mol upset about that point- and that get in to his head. Care i to mention- ref is RUSSIAN🤔🤔🤔
Если Андерс стал конючить очко, это не значит, что рефери лажанул. Назови ошибку там? Я не заметил, да и тяжело ему было, на другой стороне всё рассмотреть. Челендж всё расставил на свои места.
It sucks when such games are judged by one person's mistake. Why didnt the ref ask for a challenge himself? Too much pride? Congrats to the ref for the win. He was flawless until then though...
@@lucaspirolli7448 They referee can ask for challenge when they want and for the net call by "mistake" they have to replay the point. It's ritten black & white in the rule book.
@@Yeus337 True but you can use your challenge for a review, exemple: ask for net violation challenge, and if the referee sees a mistake in the replay, they have to turn the ruling if any violation happened during the challenge shots, even if it's not what the challenge was about.
3:15 : you can touch outside the antenna... BUT you can't modify the behavior of the ball or the game... in this case, the referee is wrong ! as you can see the net is moving a lot... the block can't fit perfectly at the perfect cm of the net = to block the ball as the net is still moving like a hurricane... I'm really amazed how many mistakes the international referees make (even in the challenge you can watch it perfectly.. but they do not know the real FIVB rules as that is a basic rule of volleyball and beach volleyball) !
that small net movement does not interfere with the play, and even if you think it does, it’s the referee’s judgement to determine whether something is interference or not.
You might be amused but start amusing with your own mistakes - "in this case, the referee is wrong". It wasn't the referee's opinion, it was the judgement from the challenge reviewers.
@@pppdddqqqbbb sorry that you do not see the same challenge as me. The German guy couldn't block correctly because the net is moving so much. They all should check their referee licenses. He s right to protest that he got a moving net perturbation. Where do we go if you let players playing like this ?
@@bluepawn it didn't affect the game, it actually makes it easier for thole because he can press over much more, because even if he touches the net it was moving so it can't be called on him.
@@rudgyhrs1870 agreed, no one can know what would have happened if the tip was called and the suppose net violation bad call was replayed like it was suppose to be. But one thing is certain, the mood changed for Norway after the first bad call...
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The best game in WC 2019!!!👌💪
Лучшая игра была в финале🤡
I just love how Thole smile in the game the whole time.
nice game but that referee is blind af
Ahh yes, we can see so much better than the ref when the video is slow down and zoomed in
@@FunkyRay2012 They also see the replay and if the referee sees a fault they can overule what was called. But if they called something by mistake and it happen to not be the case, they have to replay the point. That's in the rule book.
Shame that a great game was spoiled by a poor referee at the end
What a nonsense. I agree with the open hand, but no net fault in the following point.
At the end it still would be 15:13 for Germany if you count 1 point for Norway for the open hand.
@@MaxisMaximal It would be 14 - 13 cuz u also gotta remove a point from Germany. And it would also be Germany's serve with Norway's insane's side-outs.
Não vejo a hora de poder voltar a jogar ...🏐
Wonderful players !!! beautiful game, not only the boring hitting hitting and hitting... but it's a smart game.
Can't believe Thole retired. I really thought they could have challenged the volley viking dominance in the years to come 😔
Why did he retire?
@@mEtil5656 Want to concentrate on his studies (he is studying law)
Wow. What a horrible call at the end.
Блестящая победа!!!Я так понимаю Норвежцы были фаворитами.
Schon 10 mal geschaut ich durfte live dabei sein
Really bad play from the ref in the tiebreak. And I say it as german.
Are you referring to the play at 12:11 Germany? Because that is the only call debatable. The one right after was just announced wrongly. And in my opinion one call can go wrong all of the time even though it is unfortunate. Also you are making this look as if it was all the refs which is hugely discrediting the work Thole / Wickler put in.
@@FredoMadison the one where germany got their 13th point in game 3, horrible call
@@Ruben27780 yeah, 12 : 11 refers to the score in game 3 prior to Germany's 13th point
@@FredoMadison It's not debatable, it's flat out wrong. And for a point that would make it 12-12 instead of 13-11 in a 15 point set, that is incredibly impactful. We were robbed from a more exciting end.
I think Wickler should have been honest.... :(
What a match!
Referee should send a letter with an apologize to the NOR team.
no mistakes
why because they got crushed in the second set and then couldn hold their sideout with their 2 break lead at the begining of the 3 set
@@7Lothar7 No, because they weren't able to stay impartial in the 3rd set. One miss called with the open hand tip and the bad net call from the 2nd referee should have be replay cause of a wrong call. Those are written in black and white in the Beach Volleyball rulebook.
And thus I am here after Shoyo went to rio
That faul at the end by wickler...its so disapointing to see them lose like this...so sad...
Looking back at that play, there wasn't much of a push; it almost looked like simultaneous contact. If it was, then it's completely legal for him to wipe it off the block. The question is was there a gap between Wickler touching the ball and Anders' block.
Yeah just looked at it again there was definitely a gap. It was a foul.
@@lucassands1346 and i think we all know that when things get tight the vikings usually stand up and go for the win, i dont know if i can blame the first referee on that ball because of the way that anders had his arms...but the second referee should have called that...and they cant even challenge that type of play, im a huge HUGE fan of tge vikings and i hate to see them lose even more in a worlds championship like this
Since there was simultanious contact above the net, NOR could have called challenge for "no block touch". It would then be called out of the team (GER) on the opposite side
@@SimasSkilinskas i dont know if it would apply because (Example: if you call for block touch and the player touches the net you cant do nothing because the call wasnt for net touch)
Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
What an amazing match! ❤️👌🌹👌❤️ thanks for sharing.
please stay connected! Greetings from Germany! ❤️💖💕💞🌹🌹🌹🌹❤️💖💕💞
Norway will come back and have their second chance hopefully with a more careful referee this time. What a shame. It could have been a different result if referee wasn't blind or Wickler was honest.
True!!! But now they are OLYMPIC champions, nothing beats that ❤️!!!
nice game
Why is everyone talking about the refereeing ? There was only 1 clear mistake at the end of the 3rd set. The win of germany was totally deserved if you look at the whole game
Well that point was a key-point for the tie-break... it may have changed the ending
@@franzmaina3080 Thinking that way you should acknowledge that every point might be crucial, so this is a clumsy plea.
@@pppdddqqqbbb It was a great game all around, but a missed call in the 3rd set that made the score 13-11 vs 12-12 on top of mentally frustrating the Netherlands team completely swayed the outcome of the match. It still could have gone either way, but this call and the timing of it was definitely unfortunate.
You probably dont play. The REF mistake totally influenciated the result.
you probably don't play competitive or pro volleyball or any other competitive sports for that matter. Have you heard of momentum shifting in a game??? The point was so crucial and it was in the third set and towards the end of the last match, and it wasn't hard to call, the commentator saw it. No one is perfect >> referee... buuuut both teams played hard and it doesn't matter, it's over but opinions has to be weigh in at the end. German won :) good game end of the story.
Seriously Germany deserved it. Played better than the norwegians. These commentators were so bias against the Germans!!! Wow!!
But who is the Olympic champions now ;)
@@reidun-engh8824 he he he
you need to check your grammar
That open hand tip though
finally
So the ref totally missed that call but what I don't understand either is that he never called any of Wickler's hand sets. They should really be a bit more strict on the fivb tour with the sloppy hand sets imo.
2Swift4u play it frame by frame. i counted at least 3 sets that were soooo obviously lifts. disgusting levels of lift
bin hier nach dem Ausscheiden von Thole/Wickler aus dem Tokyo 2020 Halbfinale...
Ich auch 😂😭
1:12:14 рефери лажанул конечно, все могло сложиться иначе..
He did not "lozanul"....lol...he basically set up a final for Krasilnikov against a weaker team. Got Mol upset about that point- and that get in to his head. Care i to mention- ref is RUSSIAN🤔🤔🤔
@@ileanidgalkovskiy4853 I wouldn't say, that German team was weaker than Nor in this tournament)
Если Андерс стал конючить очко, это не значит, что рефери лажанул. Назови ошибку там? Я не заметил, да и тяжело ему было, на другой стороне всё рассмотреть. Челендж всё расставил на свои места.
throw decided everything
one spectacular match ruined by a really confused referee :(
Anyone know how to buy a jersey of mol or Sorøm? Like a in-game jersey
It sucks when such games are judged by one person's mistake. Why didnt the ref ask for a challenge himself? Too much pride? Congrats to the ref for the win. He was flawless until then though...
The rule doesnt allow Challenge for this situation because It depends on interpretation
@@lucaspirolli7448 They referee can ask for challenge when they want and for the net call by "mistake" they have to replay the point. It's ritten black & white in the rule book.
Why didnt call norway a closer watch after the open hand Touch?
You can't call for a challenge on technical faults, only on touch, line....only on Something non-subjective
@@Yeus337 Oh! I am new to the Sport, excuse me if it was a stupid question! Thank you for your answer!
@@Yeus337 True but you can use your challenge for a review, exemple: ask for net violation challenge, and if the referee sees a mistake in the replay, they have to turn the ruling if any violation happened during the challenge shots, even if it's not what the challenge was about.
Still a Break ahead.
That call was not made the entire WC.
Thole is 2 meters…
3:15 : you can touch outside the antenna... BUT you can't modify the behavior of the ball or the game... in this case, the referee is wrong ! as you can see the net is moving a lot... the block can't fit perfectly at the perfect cm of the net = to block the ball as the net is still moving like a hurricane... I'm really amazed how many mistakes the international referees make (even in the challenge you can watch it perfectly.. but they do not know the real FIVB rules as that is a basic rule of volleyball and beach volleyball) !
that small net movement does not interfere with the play, and even if you think it does, it’s the referee’s judgement to determine whether something is interference or not.
You might be amused but start amusing with your own mistakes - "in this case, the referee is wrong". It wasn't the referee's opinion, it was the judgement from the challenge reviewers.
@@pppdddqqqbbb sorry that you do not see the same challenge as me. The German guy couldn't block correctly because the net is moving so much. They all should check their referee licenses. He s right to protest that he got a moving net perturbation. Where do we go if you let players playing like this ?
@@bluepawn it didn't affect the game, it actually makes it easier for thole because he can press over much more, because even if he touches the net it was moving so it can't be called on him.
@@rudgyhrs1870 as player : I don't want to see that net moving when I m blocking in 1cm over the net.
Great roll at 16:33
Referee win Norway . Open hand was bad call . Referee Sox
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When the German duo wins with a technical foul.
Bad ref .
I think this was a good call by the ref :)
Good thing ur not a ref
Germany should’ve lost, that call was bs
the call was bs, but germany shouldn't have lost it would've been 12-12 if it was called correctly. what part of even mean germany loses.
@@rudgyhrs1870 agreed, no one can know what would have happened if the tip was called and the suppose net violation bad call was replayed like it was suppose to be. But one thing is certain, the mood changed for Norway after the first bad call...
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