The Most Important Deltarune Song You've NEVER Heard (and why it matters) -
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- So I've never read Homestuck, or been a part of it's community... So I have no idea how connected the Undertale and Deltarune fandoms were to the Homestuck fandoms... And whats this Penumbra Phantasm thing people keep talking about?
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So, there are a lot of things I could be commenting on, like how I've known about this mess of a theory for literal years, while the fandom at large thought of stuff like Friend Inside Me to be an insane theory. Or how I 100% believe Penumbra Phantasm to show up in Deltarune in some form. But the biggest takeaway from this video is, just like the creator stated: PLEASE, guys, please experience Homestuck!
Even though Flash went down a while ago, Homestuck in all it's medium defying glory has been archived with a lot of care in the Unofficial Homestuck Collection, together with Andrew Hussie's other works and a lot of cool extras like QnAs they did about Homestuck. If you think that reading a 8000 page long shitpost epic (Hussie's words, not mine) is committing to a lot, then check out Hiveswap Chapters 1 & 2. It's a side story to Homestuck that you can enjoy without knowing anything about the rest of the universe. It makes for a great introduction to the world, it's intriguing worldbuilding, it's sometimes controversial-yet beautifully written characters (Vriska truly is the gr8est character to ever 8e written) and it's quirky humor, except in 8 hours. You'll notice that these are things that people say about Undertale and Deltarune and you'd be right. Homestuck is really underrated as an influence on those games, I feel like Earthbound gets 90% of the credit there. That's why I feel that it's so important for us UTDR fans especially to check out this amazing piece of half-fiction. Oh, and fortmaster, if you're reading this and this video made you interested in getting into Homestuck and you'd like your channel to be part of that, then PLEASE let's play Hiveswap, I'd be delighted! If not then there's a really cool vid by Sarah Z going over the exploits of the Homestuck fandom called "A brief history of Homestuck"
Here i am at Shadow's Edge, straight up Shattering, and by "it"? THE TWILIGHT REVERIE!
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43:11 It was used BOTH in Homestuck and Earthbound Halloween Hack (Mother). You can find both versions on TH-cam.
46:21 People managed to isolate other parts of the song from the main melody and found it there... Seriously, you can barely hear it when the main melody is there, but now I can't stop myself from concentrating in it every time that part is played...
1:05:57 All of the flash content was restored in the unofficial homestuck collection which was mentioned in the video and is basically just the webcomic plus homestuck related extras as an application
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I just woke up from a dream with penumbra phantasm in it
Bro is really at shadows edge shattering the twilight reverie.
Yeah I have mentioned it before but Toby sneaks a ton of his Homestuck work into everything he works on, especially his original stuff. It's technically still ongoing too with the sequel Beyond Canon nearing the end of it's first arc. The last update being early this year.
Fun Fact: A picture of a robot Underswap AU Sans and Papyrus is canonically Dirk's computer wallpaper.
So when's the channel Homestuck Lets Read/lets read reaction? Lol I've always seen the connections...
The claim that the main/first theme of Undertale is also just Penumbra Phantasm is wild. I can't possibly believe in this. Not yet, at least.
If this video convinces just one person to read homestuck in 2025, then I thank you personally for this reaction
Some things I’d like to mention mainly about the leitmotif section, cause admittedly it has a good number of misconceptions in it.
- Though THE HOLY’s motif is definitely very similar, it’s not an exact match to Penumbra’s melody, meaning that if it’s intended (which I think is definitely plausible), Toby def switched it up to be somewhat distinct from the original.
- The Legend part doesn’t really do it for me. I even went in and recreated both melodies to compare them and they just… aren’t the same thing at all. The A section of the legend kinda sorta maybe if you reeeeally squint at it has a similar contour, but that’s all it has in common- most of the notes are entirely different.
- “The legend motif is in Berdly” seems like a reeeeeally big misconception to me. On the deltarune wiki there’s a motif page, and one of them is “legend baseline motif”… the problem is that the supposed “legend baseline” is an extremely common method of outlining chords, especially in waltz-type songs. So claiming that Berdly has the legend motif is like claiming most waltzes to ever exist contain the legend motif.
- The Door is also just. not the same melody. The “artist’s recreation” just isn’t the same notes whatsoever, all it shares is a contour but that’s not too remarkable if everything else is different. I believe the comments under the original video mention this but the door (and the chase) are muuuuch more likely referencing an old Toby fox track, “Nightmare Knight”, a fan theme for the cucumber quest webcomic. In that case, though the melodies aren’t _identical,_ it’s almost exactly the same aside from missing a singular note. Like, it’s genuinely uncanny how exact they are, which leads me to believe either Nightmare Knight is showing up in deltarune, or at least a modified version of it.
- To avoid repeating myself I’ll just say that same goes for the freedom theme- it’s built off of Gaster’s theme and I don’t hear any distinct Penumbra in there. The examples given for Circus and Dialtone are just from The World Revolving, not Penumbra.
- Hopes and Dreams (first mention) / Once Upon a Time… I really, really just don’t get what’s trying to be said there. There aren’t any shared notes, it isn’t a motif, there’s vaguely a sort of similar intense rhythm to the penumbra snippet played right before the opening to H&D…? I’m just confused as to the point being made cause I don’t hear the connection whatsoever.
- CORE has a similar rhythm but isn’t exactly doctor. I will say that I’ve seen it argued that Alphys is essentially a “no copyright infringement Doctor” lol- there’s enough similarities to where I’d believe it, but again… not the same melody, just similar.
- The single actual legit completely undeniable PP usage in the video is that bit of Hopes and Dreams brought up later, where the no melody version is used to hear it clearer. That is undeniable usage of Doctor in a Toby Fox property (and the reason I still believe PP will be used even if it isn’t in all these places the video claims it is). Full respect to this creator for brining Penumbra to the attention of the masses, but I won’t lie when I say almost all the examples are pretty mediocre at best (which is understandable as most people don’t have any sort of music training lol). THE HOLY is the only other instance I’d be completely unsurprised to learn was a PP reference as well, albeit it’s still not identical as I mentioned above.
(No idea if you’ll read all this lmao, but thought I’d type all this up in case anyone wants any correction…)
1:06:10 Bluemaxima’s Flashpoint is a great archive of old flash content. It doesn’t have everything, but it has an insane 1.68TB of flash games and animations saved.
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If anyone wants a more condensed comparison of “Penumbra Phantasm” motifs, I recommend looking up the video Undertale & Deltarune - All possible songs with “Penumbra Phantasm” by MrMetanarrative.
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55:33 how I feel about UMAMI’s series Interface and its sequel Safe Mode
Did you ever see the infamous Woody Theory about Chapter 3 by SpookyDood? Should probably check that out before it becomes outdated. It's a theory about the next secret boss, IT'S A WILD RIDE
Wait it's a theory?!?! I thought it was only a meme!
What's the video called?
@@Fort_Master Oh it's very much an actual theory that's so insane but it ends up making too much sense to be 100% a joke - It's Woody Theory by the channel SpookyDood, it was the video that popularized this insanity
Homestuck OST reactions?? I’ve only found 1 on TH-cam and I crave more
I SECOND THIS!! Absolutely the soundtrack is so diverse and amazing
The most complete version of penumbra phantasm that we know that toby wrote and that is on TH-cam is titled "Homestuck Soundtest - Penumbra Phantasm (piano)"
As far as tracing back the family tree, the dialogue system in undertale/deltarune is based off of the dialogue system of Shin Megami Tensei, which you use in order to convince demons to join your party.
Ask error is so rad
You should read Homestuck and make videos about it, if you have enough time that is.
Ok, so I agree about Hopes and Dreams and THE HOLY and I also believe Penumbra Phantasm will be in Deltarune, but it being in Once Upon A Time? In The Legend? It being a Gaster Boss Battle? Hell no. Also, The Door, Chase and TWR beginning is just a Nightmare Knight, not Penumbra lol
I personally do see it being referenced in the freedom motif, in Hopes and Dreams and it being Directly in THE HOLY. But I agree that it definitely isn't gonna be related to Gaster purely to the fact that it isn't in Gaster's theme and isn't in Another Him.
@@ultrawinggaming9764 maybe because gaster isnt complete yet? i mean, he is "shattered" after all, and even with that, megalovania doenst appear on any sans theme, but it was used because it was the perfect song for a badass final bossfight, he could still replace parts of penumbra phantasm with gaster's theme, maybe because he represents the penumbra, the mysteryman design even if simple, its white and black, light and dark, and i like to believe that since in undertale flowey wasn't a monster/human gaster is a lightner and darkner, after he fell into dark fountain he became both light and dark, but, who knows, that is just my theory, we will know some day, chapter 3 and 4 will give us a lot more to make theories
@hypercake23 My little take on this is that since it's mostly the Secret bosses that are Primarily building up Gaster. He's most likely going to be the last Secret Boss. And that while He is definitely tied to the Main events of the game(Hence the Freedom Motif having a Penumbra motif) actually interacting with him won't be necessary to resolve the events of the game.
That's my take.
@ultrawinggaming9764 i mean, while i do agree that he is the final secret boss, i also think he will also replace the final boss, and it will happen in 2 ways
1. if you do the normal route defeating all the secret bosses and collecting the shadow crystals
2. doing the weird route, wich also leads to us finding the secret bosses because ot a route that was never meant to happen in the first place
i do think defeating gaster will be the culmination of everything, he is the one that created the program or device that let us connect to the light world, he is the responsible for us being tied with kris, he is literally the voice that says DELTARUNE at the end of chapter 1, he created the legend because he somehow saw the future, and before the release of chspter one, he said that he is looking forward to create a new future with us, so i like to think that the better future is going to be some kind of fake freedom or fake happiness, maybe he wants the roaring to happeb because its the only way he can create that future, he wants to somehow change the future, that is why he needs us, we have the power to change fate
but i still wonder, what is that future that gaster wants? maybe turning everything into a more generic old rpg where everything is happy?
if that is the case i would love that happy town is used in that scenario lmao
@hypercake23 I guess it ultimately will depend when the full thing actually releases.
Maybe it's just me but I just think Gaster Hijacking everything to be kinda boring. But then again. Toby has said that the game's ending is based on a Fever Dream he had so who really knows how wild the game' Finale will be.
Would be cool if you reacted to "The Magic of Sonic and the Black Knight" by It'sNickForShort, since you've watched that video by AlTheBoi.
I think it would be very informative and inspiring for you, through Sonic's character.