Great video! This was helpful for grading my own shrimp. I bought some blue dreams that ended up looking like a mix of blue dream and jelly shrimp, so it is good to understand how that could happen.
I rarely watch entire videos, to be honest, but I did this go around. Impeccable knowledge, professional yet genuinely helpful and non-condescending tone, but let's be real- that dope nail polish certainly didn't hurt! thanks for all of that - best vid I've watched a while!
ive made quite a few on Neocaridina and the history of each lineage and color (as far as we can piece together in a hobby that's extremely secretive). I have a whole playlist for it in fact! Welcome to the channel and feel free to ask questions. cheers
Yesss the whole blue naming thing has me going nuts! For a time I had a sort of blue dream colony that mixed with some rilis, I ended up with red/blue body rili, blue jelly, velvet throws... I just call them low grade culls. it’s a long process getting the colony back to a nice grade blue dream. It’s funny because I think the grade of blue shrimps where I live (Australia) has become so variable as more people started to keep them but didn’t maintain their lines well. I like the substrate philosophy you have. I do the same despite being told to do otherwise- like honestly I think you could breed shrimp to potentially look good on any substrate through this. Exposing flaws in your shrimp makes it easier to hone in on the selective breeding.
@@urbansk8r231 Direct from breeders! You'll find the most reputable ones in Australian shrimp keeping groups on Facebook, or on AustralianShrimpTrader, and there's a handful of boutique stores like mine, microaquatics, abquatics and more that have popped up online. Be wary of Gumtree, it can be hit or miss with quality. Some people take photos off google for it. Generally higher quality lineages will cost more, ask for videos and photos if there aren't enough from the seller.
Thank you for another brilliant video, Alex. I have been keeping shrimp for a couple of years now and I've been wanting to get a more comprehensive understanding of Neocaridina genetics. If I'm going to get into keeping and breeding shrimp, I really want to a fundamental understanding of genetics. I wish I could talk more in depth with people who really understand genetics.
Reach out to grant and shelby at the garden of eder shrimp. I know a lot about neocaridina... they know a Ton About every shrimp... and are really kind, they sell em and breed em in florida. Also you may like my history of caridina shrimp video as well ...it starts with ab overview of the whole hobby. Cheers, and dont be shy if you have questions. I try to answer as many as i can
@@Fishtory Thanks, Alex! I watched your Caridina video recently and thought it was brilliant. I also watched a 2 hour livestream by garden of eder which was great too!
It's pretty common.... just remove those from your tank... give them away, or set them aside - because their babies will just look more and more like rilis
Other shrimp I could totally understand, and I've kept an awesome colony of Bloody Mary's in the past. But the blue names ans supposed strains had be all kinds of befuddled. Thanks for droppin' knowledge.
Vexing Cat good luck... the smaller ones have the best chance to survive transport, seriously good luck... if they survive the 1st week you should be good
Adults for all aspects ... but usually badly colored ones will be visible by a few months old, and you can pull those...things like size and depth of color/leg color coverage etc isnt finished until about 9 months old
Hello there I was wondering in your opinion if one was to breed for blue jelly shrimp which shrimp is best to use red rili, blue rili, or carbon/carbon blue rili?
From what I see locally in the USA I think the blue rili would be easiest to keep selecting for more of that clearer light blue, however red rili is where the blue jelly morphs first came from, so it can occur on both lines. Now the black rili are a bloody Mary/shoko chocolate line originally, but many do have underlying blue genes, it's just hard to get the black and red out of them. So yes, I'd use blue rili and red rili...perhaps even crossing the two
@@Fishtory I was thinking the same thing actually but I just wanted to check before I invested in them as I do find the luck of the draw and long game to be half the fun so I might combine the red and blue rili and have fun to see what happens. I’m new to the hobby so all of the genetics I find very fascinating memorizing how to make what on the other hand is rather tough I think well for me it is 🤣. The blue Jellies are probably my favorites though other than some of the tiger combinations I’ve seen. Thank you for reaching out I truly appreciate it.
I had 10 dark solid blue (velvet?)neos and some babies are red. Anybody else had this happen? Got them from reputable local breeder. Also, is that blue nail polish or am I trippin
@@Fishtory I just discovered that they have scuterellia or the other look alike parasite. Starts with a "V" I treated it with aq salt for 30 minutes as instructed by a friend. And kept them in a breeder box in the tank. And I have to watch out for molts and remove those. Pain in the rear...I've never had that encounter with my red cherries.
Yes quite a bit. Dark substrate gives a more navy blue color and light or white/gray/tan substrate will cause them to be clearer and more sky blue or crystal blue
@@poseidon00709 no its a 3 month process max (in fact stress or surroundings can change the color tone or opacity within 30 to 60 seconds...by 3 weeks they usually settle on the color they will be (and retailers/online photographers seem to know this...you can make a crappy cherry or blue dream shrimp, look really vivid with dark substrate and a bit of boosted contrast.) ... as i said though...after a molt- they will settle into their color scheme (sometimes little faint stripes or rili patterns even show up...so i use a strong LED or phone flash LED at night to examine the color consistency and legs/feelers (because having fully colored legs and feelers is the true test of a quality line).
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium Well that was really helpful! I just bought a colony of blue dreams. I just had over heard people mention something about the substrate but wasn’t so clear about it. That’s why I just had to ask if it was a good thing or bad thing putting them in a darker substrate since that’s all I had. I’m assuming I’m just going to focus on the legs and feelers like you said. And learn how to practice selective breeding.
They are called Panda Garra, sometimes Rainvow Garra... I believe I have a whole video dedicated to them (although it may have been a live stream? try and search my videos for the species profile. ) They are awesome algea and detritus eaters, plus they look pretty, move kinda funky, and will come to your hand and suck on your fingers when you work in the tank (they like the salt I think)
what does the chart in the video mean with those arrows? if i put fire red together with blue jelly, what colour shrimps am i going to get? sorry im new to shrimps keeping.
Youll likely get a wild looking shrimp...clear and rusty brown...maybe some red babies and maybe some blue babies also. The chart is how selective breeding occurred to create a given color. So wild to spotted red wild to red ...to bright red. .then orange, then randomly a mutation happened and yellow appeared...however, if you try and mix colors like you would paints, usually it leads to the shrimp just going back up the chart, opposite of the arrows.
yes you could have neon tetras but they will eat all the babies. I would suggest buying a snail (nerite that's pretty and has a cool pattern for eating the hard algae, then 1 otocinctlus fish to each softer algae .... then get 8 or more shrimp of your choice in color. I find neocaridina, by far the best choice for ease of care and they are really beautiful.) As for other fish, if you must add some fish to this small tank, as I said, I'd add an otocinctlus (they will not eat shrimp, and will clean, same with nerite snails, but unlike other snails, they have wicked patterns on them and do not breed and then over run your tank hahah.) I think youd be happier with 5 or 6 chili rasboras, Phoenix rasboras, celestial pearl danios, goldring aka tinwini danios, ember tetras, or a few clown killifish.... none of these should end up eating more than a few or the baby shrimp if you want them to reproduce , and they all have low bio loads for the tank to stay clean longer. neon tetras actually can get to 1.5 or 2 inches and 2x as wide as the other fish I mentioned...plus they like to school but only do so, when they have room to swim laps and weave around. I recomend lots of tiny plant cover or making some rock piles with enough room or holes in the rock pile or using holey aquascaping stones /lava rock. so the shrimp can relax and hide also. if you look at aquaticarts.com and use the code SECRETHISTORY15 you will get a nice discount and could win a few hundred dollars in gift cards when using the code or mentioning my channel. here. I get most my shrimp, plants and awesome snails / nano fish from them
@@FishtoryThanks for responding man, I really appreciate it. Some other questions come to mind. Will the ottocinclus and the shrimp compete for food?? They both eat algae right (as you can tell I know almost nothing about this, brand new to the hobby). Do shrimp need a heater? I live in Mexico city and is not the coldest place, but it can get chilli in winter, temperatures drop to around 2-5 C daily.
@@MrElm0O they do compete for food a little, but not too much, theyll both eat any fish flake food also if you feed fish. As for temperature, they are generally kept at 20 to 26 Celsius, but if you have a heated house around 20 Celsius they would do fine probably without one. most people who want to truly breed shrimp will keep them without any fish...and perhaps with a nerite snail. However I also keep mine with Malaysian trumpet snails or ramshorn snails sometimes...and they compete for food a bit, but shrimp wont eat the hard algae on surfaces usually, they like softer algae, and plankton, fish poop or decaying plant matter first and foremost, where as snails also eat those things, but eat non-hair algae and diatomaceous algae
Its just a large siamese algae eater. Hes currently 6 inches and peaceful....well except towards other siamese algae eaters....but if you look at the tail and pectoral fins youll see it's not a flying fox nor a Chinese- but rather, a siamese algae eater. Ive now had for 3 years :)
@@Fishtory no , trust me I did the same mistake , that's 100% a Chinese algae eater , look on google and do a bit of research , I had 2 of them thinking that they were Siamese algae eaters too so its a common mistake , when you will see it attacking the other fish you will remember this comment so just know that im looking out for you fellow fish keeper.
no such thing as a blue jelly neocaridna shrimp...just a made up name. only Blue jelly is the caridina/taiwan bee. zhangjiagensis is now palmata and the blues from that line are blue pearls completely different which dont seem to breed with davidi...and you're looking at a outdated chart,that has the lines wrong lmao
I updated it (this originally started 4 years ago...but yes, you're totally correct about the blue jellies ...they should be called blue velvets...but LF stores and breeders just make up names if they sell for more. As for palmata and zhangjiajiensis- that is what ive been seeing most recently, however some biologists are still arguing to make phenotypes into b species or subspecies if they are wild and semi-isolate.... but others (Swiss, Dutch and Germans seem to want less species and to group things as one.)
there is a better way to film a video of a picture on a screen, you can take a photo of your pc screen with a phone and then film your fingers on a phone using your camera.
Great video! This was helpful for grading my own shrimp. I bought some blue dreams that ended up looking like a mix of blue dream and jelly shrimp, so it is good to understand how that could happen.
Great to hear! Thanks for watching and have a great week, my friend.
I rarely watch entire videos, to be honest, but I did this go around. Impeccable knowledge, professional yet genuinely helpful and non-condescending tone, but let's be real- that dope nail polish certainly didn't hurt!
thanks for all of that - best vid I've watched a while!
Haha thank you very much for your kind feedback and welcome to the channel and our nerdy little community
I was waiting for someone to explain shrimp. Awesome job. Great info .
ive made quite a few on Neocaridina and the history of each lineage and color (as far as we can piece together in a hobby that's extremely secretive). I have a whole playlist for it in fact! Welcome to the channel and feel free to ask questions. cheers
Thanks man appreciate it. Bought some 10 blue velvets and 3 happened to be blue dreams.
Interesting.
Really like the way You explain things! Great video again! Blue neo's are my favorite!
why thank you! and welcome to the channel my friend
Yesss the whole blue naming thing has me going nuts!
For a time I had a sort of blue dream colony that mixed with some rilis, I ended up with red/blue body rili, blue jelly, velvet throws... I just call them low grade culls.
it’s a long process getting the colony back to a nice grade blue dream. It’s funny because I think the grade of blue shrimps where I live (Australia) has become so variable as more people started to keep them but didn’t maintain their lines well.
I like the substrate philosophy you have. I do the same despite being told to do otherwise- like honestly I think you could breed shrimp to potentially look good on any substrate through this. Exposing flaws in your shrimp makes it easier to hone in on the selective breeding.
right on. hopefully you can help straighten out the hobby locally, somewhat. Cheers, mate.
Hi, mate where in Australia do you get your shrimp from?
@@urbansk8r231 Direct from breeders! You'll find the most reputable ones in Australian shrimp keeping groups on Facebook, or on AustralianShrimpTrader, and there's a handful of boutique stores like mine, microaquatics, abquatics and more that have popped up online. Be wary of Gumtree, it can be hit or miss with quality. Some people take photos off google for it. Generally higher quality lineages will cost more, ask for videos and photos if there aren't enough from the seller.
Cool info , added to my shrimp playlist for reference ✌💞
Thank you for another brilliant video, Alex. I have been keeping shrimp for a couple of years now and I've been wanting to get a more comprehensive understanding of Neocaridina genetics. If I'm going to get into keeping and breeding shrimp, I really want to a fundamental understanding of genetics. I wish I could talk more in depth with people who really understand genetics.
Reach out to grant and shelby at the garden of eder shrimp. I know a lot about neocaridina... they know a Ton About every shrimp... and are really kind, they sell em and breed em in florida. Also you may like my history of caridina shrimp video as well ...it starts with ab overview of the whole hobby. Cheers, and dont be shy if you have questions. I try to answer as many as i can
@@Fishtory Thanks, Alex! I watched your Caridina video recently and thought it was brilliant. I also watched a 2 hour livestream by garden of eder which was great too!
I got blue dream from a local shrimps breeder, but some of them look like blue carbon rili
It's pretty common.... just remove those from your tank... give them away, or set them aside - because their babies will just look more and more like rilis
@@Fishtory nah i like them i got only 6 of them on total so if i get rid of them i would only have 4 i will keep them
Other shrimp I could totally understand, and I've kept an awesome colony of Bloody Mary's in the past. But the blue names ans supposed strains had be all kinds of befuddled. Thanks for droppin' knowledge.
Great video. As always, thank you for sharing! - Little Bobby
Thanks for watching Little Bobby ;)
Great Video! Thank you!
Awesome video, thanks for the info. Someday, maybe soon, I will take the plunge and try some shrimp.
Vexing Cat good luck... the smaller ones have the best chance to survive transport, seriously good luck... if they survive the 1st week you should be good
Thanks bro for this amazing video.
Of course! Thank you for watching
Great information - Really enjoyed - Cheers from Bend Or
Glad the metal rack is working for you... everyone is always so sketch about those
ehh it seems fine, but if we have an earthquake im screwed big time haha
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium lmao... if ur seriously worried about that put a wall anchor on it
@@probablynotabigtoe9407 yup
What size should the shrimp be to start grading the shrimp for cull and keep?
Adults for all aspects ... but usually badly colored ones will be visible by a few months old, and you can pull those...things like size and depth of color/leg color coverage etc isnt finished until about 9 months old
Thanks for the info....Im interested gettin the blue velvet than the blue dream.
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing brotha.
thank you for watching! cheers
This video got me to subscribe lol thanks man it helped
Oh right on! Welcome to the channel. There's a whole shrimp playlist if you're into genetics and history of the hobby. Cheers
@@Fishtory totally! I'll basically be steadily working through all your videos bro lol
Hello there I was wondering in your opinion if one was to breed for blue jelly shrimp which shrimp is best to use red rili, blue rili, or carbon/carbon blue rili?
From what I see locally in the USA I think the blue rili would be easiest to keep selecting for more of that clearer light blue, however red rili is where the blue jelly morphs first came from, so it can occur on both lines. Now the black rili are a bloody Mary/shoko chocolate line originally, but many do have underlying blue genes, it's just hard to get the black and red out of them. So yes, I'd use blue rili and red rili...perhaps even crossing the two
@@Fishtory I was thinking the same thing actually but I just wanted to check before I invested in them as I do find the luck of the draw and long game to be half the fun so I might combine the red and blue rili and have fun to see what happens. I’m new to the hobby so all of the genetics I find very fascinating memorizing how to make what on the other hand is rather tough I think well for me it is 🤣. The blue Jellies are probably my favorites though other than some of the tiger combinations I’ve seen. Thank you for reaching out I truly appreciate it.
What is that black and white bottom dwelling fish at the 8 minute and 13 second mark of the video? It looks awesome but I've never seen it before.
Hehe my favorite. Juvenile panda loaches
I had 10 dark solid blue (velvet?)neos and some babies are red. Anybody else had this happen? Got them from reputable local breeder. Also, is that blue nail polish or am I trippin
They can only have red babies if they were females in a tank with bloody Mary male shrimp at some point.
And yes haha it was blue
@@Fishtory so if I cull the reds is there a chance selectively breeding those might produce bloody marys eventually?
Yes...if you set aside those reds and breed them together...they should make chocolates, carbons or bloody Mary's most likely.
Hi please can you tell me what the black and white loaches are ?
So you can make Blue dream class A with blue velvet shrimp ?
No, it has to come from selection within the blue dream line alone...just more and more blue pigmentation on legs and so forth.
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium ok awesome thanks I’m trying to figure out what I got cause they darker blue
Do blue velvets give off blue colored or mini blue velvet babies? Somebody told me that their offspring will be red like the red cherry shrimps.
@@Fishtory I just discovered that they have scuterellia or the other look alike parasite. Starts with a "V" I treated it with aq salt for 30 minutes as instructed by a friend. And kept them in a breeder box in the tank. And I have to watch out for molts and remove those. Pain in the rear...I've never had that encounter with my red cherries.
Kathleen Monsegue vorticella? If it’s vorticella it’s hell to battle, very hard to fight, I ending up scraping my 5 gallon and starting brand new.
Does it matter what color your substrate is? Or does it affect or change anything in their color? When having blue dream shrimp.
Yes quite a bit. Dark substrate gives a more navy blue color and light or white/gray/tan substrate will cause them to be clearer and more sky blue or crystal blue
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium does it affect in the future generations in anyway?
@@poseidon00709 no its a 3 month process max (in fact stress or surroundings can change the color tone or opacity within 30 to 60 seconds...by 3 weeks they usually settle on the color they will be (and retailers/online photographers seem to know this...you can make a crappy cherry or blue dream shrimp, look really vivid with dark substrate and a bit of boosted contrast.)
... as i said though...after a molt- they will settle into their color scheme (sometimes little faint stripes or rili patterns even show up...so i use a strong LED or phone flash LED at night to examine the color consistency and legs/feelers (because having fully colored legs and feelers is the true test of a quality line).
The Secret History Living in Your Aquarium Well that was really helpful! I just bought a colony of blue dreams. I just had over heard people mention something about the substrate but wasn’t so clear about it. That’s why I just had to ask if it was a good thing or bad thing putting them in a darker substrate since that’s all I had. I’m assuming I’m just going to focus on the legs and feelers like you said. And learn how to practice selective breeding.
mine was labeled dream blue velvet?
People also make up any name that sells at time or region (but they did originate as a specific difference in origin)
whats the fish at 1:20?
They are called Panda Garra, sometimes Rainvow Garra... I believe I have a whole video dedicated to them (although it may have been a live stream? try and search my videos for the species profile. )
They are awesome algea and detritus eaters, plus they look pretty, move kinda funky, and will come to your hand and suck on your fingers when you work in the tank (they like the salt I think)
what does the chart in the video mean with those arrows?
if i put fire red together with blue jelly, what colour shrimps am i going to get?
sorry im new to shrimps keeping.
Youll likely get a wild looking shrimp...clear and rusty brown...maybe some red babies and maybe some blue babies also.
The chart is how selective breeding occurred to create a given color. So wild to spotted red wild to red ...to bright red. .then orange, then randomly a mutation happened and yellow appeared...however, if you try and mix colors like you would paints, usually it leads to the shrimp just going back up the chart, opposite of the arrows.
@@Fishtory thank you so much for explaning. Now i know heh
I'm getting some neocaridinas for a 14 liter aquarium. Haow many should I buy?? Can I have them with neon tetras?? Any help would be much appreciated
yes you could have neon tetras but they will eat all the babies. I would suggest buying a snail (nerite that's pretty and has a cool pattern for eating the hard algae, then 1 otocinctlus fish to each softer algae .... then get 8 or more shrimp of your choice in color. I find neocaridina, by far the best choice for ease of care and they are really beautiful.)
As for other fish, if you must add some fish to this small tank, as I said, I'd add an otocinctlus (they will not eat shrimp, and will clean, same with nerite snails, but unlike other snails, they have wicked patterns on them and do not breed and then over run your tank hahah.)
I think youd be happier with 5 or 6 chili rasboras, Phoenix rasboras, celestial pearl danios, goldring aka tinwini danios, ember tetras, or a few clown killifish.... none of these should end up eating more than a few or the baby shrimp if you want them to reproduce , and they all have low bio loads for the tank to stay clean longer.
neon tetras actually can get to 1.5 or 2 inches and 2x as wide as the other fish I mentioned...plus they like to school but only do so, when they have room to swim laps and weave around.
I recomend lots of tiny plant cover or making some rock piles with enough room or holes in the rock pile or using holey aquascaping stones /lava rock. so the shrimp can relax and hide also.
if you look at aquaticarts.com and use the code SECRETHISTORY15 you will get a nice discount and could win a few hundred dollars in gift cards when using the code or mentioning my channel. here. I get most my shrimp, plants and awesome snails / nano fish from them
@@FishtoryThanks for responding man, I really appreciate it.
Some other questions come to mind.
Will the ottocinclus and the shrimp compete for food?? They both eat algae right (as you can tell I know almost nothing about this, brand new to the hobby).
Do shrimp need a heater? I live in Mexico city and is not the coldest place, but it can get chilli in winter, temperatures drop to around 2-5 C daily.
@@MrElm0O they do compete for food a little, but not too much, theyll both eat any fish flake food also if you feed fish. As for temperature, they are generally kept at 20 to 26 Celsius, but if you have a heated house around 20 Celsius they would do fine probably without one.
most people who want to truly breed shrimp will keep them without any fish...and perhaps with a nerite snail. However I also keep mine with Malaysian trumpet snails or ramshorn snails sometimes...and they compete for food a bit, but shrimp wont eat the hard algae on surfaces usually, they like softer algae, and plankton, fish poop or decaying plant matter first and foremost, where as snails also eat those things, but eat non-hair algae and diatomaceous algae
@@Fishtory Thanks for the help man. I think I will keep the fish somewhere else or give them away.
@@MrElm0O good call if you want lots of shrimp babies! Also my livestream in an hour will be discussing breeding shrimp in small spaces
Care to collab on a video?
Id love to
Alexanderjwilliamson@gmail.com message me some details and we can go from there :)
The tank has planaria
Yes
Buy no planaria
1 question why do you have a Chinese algae eater..? it will grow about a foot in length and will eat the slime coat off your fish.
Its just a large siamese algae eater. Hes currently 6 inches and peaceful....well except towards other siamese algae eaters....but if you look at the tail and pectoral fins youll see it's not a flying fox nor a Chinese- but rather, a siamese algae eater. Ive now had for 3 years :)
@@Fishtory no , trust me I did the same mistake , that's 100% a Chinese algae eater , look on google and do a bit of research , I had 2 of them thinking that they were Siamese algae eaters too so its a common mistake , when you will see it attacking the other fish you will remember this comment so just know that im looking out for you fellow fish keeper.
I did some research on the Panda Garra and its just a subspecies of the Chinese algae eater
Blue ryliees lol
Rye Lee's... reallys?
no such thing as a blue jelly neocaridna shrimp...just a made up name. only Blue jelly is the caridina/taiwan bee. zhangjiagensis is now palmata and the blues from that line are blue pearls completely different which dont seem to breed with davidi...and you're looking at a outdated chart,that has the lines wrong lmao
I updated it (this originally started 4 years ago...but yes, you're totally correct about the blue jellies ...they should be called blue velvets...but LF stores and breeders just make up names if they sell for more.
As for palmata and zhangjiajiensis- that is what ive been seeing most recently, however some biologists are still arguing to make phenotypes into b species or subspecies if they are wild and semi-isolate.... but others (Swiss, Dutch and Germans seem to want less species and to group things as one.)
there is a better way to film a video of a picture on a screen, you can take a photo of your pc screen with a phone and then film your fingers on a phone using your camera.
God. The smacking between statements..... once you hear it you can never not hear it.
Yeaaaah sorry *smack"