This car is what I think of when people say Honda. As an older guy I always liked the sleeper/modest looking cars. This here is perfect imho!! You guys nailed it.
Pro tip for the stuck race as an ASE master tech. Using a cutoff wheel at a 45 degree angle put a cut in the race without cutting all the way through. Then grab yourself a chisel and hammer and hammer the chisel into the groove you cut. Because the race is hardened it will crack after a few blows with the hammer and will easily slide off the spindle
The only difference between all these prop valves is the main spring. I just went through the same thing buying used 4040 prop valves on eBay that were leaking. I bought a 3030, swapped in the 4040 main spring and it’s all good now.
You want that 40/40 prop valve. The 30/30 will lock up the rear too easily, really bad news if going hard on the brakes. It's extra bad if you're hard braking in a turn. Or even just regular braking in the wet or snow, the back end will want to come around.
Common practice at my shop if a race is stuck, I use an angle grinder and cut a slit in the race. One hit from a hammer and chisel in the slit and the race will generally crack into two pieces. You have to be careful to not cut too deep and always wear eye protection. Really the same concept you’re doing with the air hammer but the cut in the race is used as a guide so you don’t slip.
Bench bleeding is a super pro tip! Had issues when installing the clutch master on my dc5 and couldn’t get all the air out. After bench bleeding it made the process million times easier!
What we used to do when I worked at Honda, was use a grinder to cut a notch in the wheel bearing race. Then use a chisel to crack the race. It would slide right off after that.
Def a vote for the Heliograms from me. Split 5-spoke is classic. I appreciate including bits like the struggle with the proportioning valve, because working on real cars, especially old cars, are all about these struggles (components rusted or seized, or just not easily serviceable on the car), not just an engine build on a nice clean bench.
Working 40/40 prop valves are RARE! I found 2 used and both failed. Attempted a rebuild on both using new seals, both still leaked. I kept the OE prop and it brakes still felt amazing. 🤷🏽♂️
Just binged both the hatchies to catch up, man I love when you guys show honda love. would love another update video on the k swapped s14, I know you guys mentioned it recently in an update vid but I'd love to see it clash with these two legends on track!
I'm always stoked on speed academy 's builds. It would be cool to see you guys step out from the normal wheel selection and go with something different (ie flexus wheels).
Even though they are both 15s, the design of the Ultragrams makes them look even smaller on the car, and for that reason I have to go with the Heliograms.
Serious question: are the awd conversions for these only beneficial for launches? Is the heavily fwd biased awd system from the wagovan and CRV not helpful in corners?
@@chaseteter It might help on a loose surface but an AWD converted Civic won't handle like an Evo or anything. I honestly think a well-sorted FWD Civic could turn a faster lap time at most tracks, assuming it isn't hugely struggling to put its power down.
For setting valve lash, i just slip it whatever gauge feeler I want lash set at, adjust the rocker, and make sure i have the correct resistance on the feeler. Its usually a one and done deal
In case anyone was wondering, a relay is just a high-current switch triggered remotely by a lower current. That way you aren’t running, say your 4-gauge starter power wire into the cabin. You can just use a relay.
Your build is amazing and oem+ thank you for all the details I have hated ur channel since u have had less track coverage like ur older content But both these Civics and the track time coming has braught me back
Back in 2001 i think, sport compact car magazine did an EG build that really reminds me of how this one is coming out. Beautiful build very understated but just right. 👌
DP was right with the Bluepoint tool, I have the same one and for some reason Honda has 10mm and 12mm rocker arm jam nuts, I think it just depends on the engine. My B16 is 10mm, maybe depends on the vtec option as well? No clue. Love the build, wish I could afford a clean EG, just impossible to find in ND, at least a clean one.
Looks to me like the separate wrench and flat head is much easier to use on those non-VTEC heads. The special tool is only needed on VTEC heads where you can’t get a wrench on the adjuster lock nuts. I bought a set from Harbor Freight’s website way back in 2001, and still use them to this day.
You can also score the inner bearing race with a small cut-off wheel on a Dremel and then hit that score mark with a cold chisel and it will crack through and slide right off.
As some who changed 3 prop valves on a civic. Let me tell you. That job sucks and I hate it. If you happen to blow throughout another prop valve. Take a look at your booster to master cylinder pushrod clearance. Took me forever to figure it out. I eventually switched to a 30/40 valve and oem RS brake booster/mc set up and never had anymore issues Also if I have said it yet. I hate changing those valves
I’ve had good luck in the past with pinching the ball race itself on an inner bearing flange with the bearing separator and pulling it off that way. No heat or chisel needed.
Ultragrams are one of my favorite wheels and would be a go-to on almost any car. Having said that..... I think the heliograms look a little better for this application and I am surprising myself by admitting it. Take your engagement.
The tool you tried to use is for 10mm jam nuts that are on the VTEC heads. Non vtec heads use a bigger 12mm jam nut. So stupid lol. I have to same tool but only works on vtec heads. I have to use a wrench and screw driver too didn’t feel like finding a 12mm version of the tool. I just go back over mine with a ratchet to make sure they’re torqued and tight lol
Great video as usual! I watch y’all every Saturday just like I watched horsepower tv growing up lol But they only did one JDM that I can remember. Much prefer all the Honda and JDM goodness
Heliogram for sure. Great video I really hope you're going to do something really unique with the front bumper =). Looking forward to the next episodes. Oh... and "On it's own accord" - Honda pun?
You didn't apply enough heat into the bearing race for it to slip off. It's typically easier to use an oxy acetylene torch rather than a MAP gas torch because it can apply more heat in a shorter amount of time.
If that was my car, I would leave it 100% bone stock on cosmetics other than fresh and new 5 spoke Konigs! I'm glad Pete got that braking system swapped out! I know how many F-bombs can be dropped from parts not wanting to come out like that lol... Can't wait for next vid guys 🤝
Hit the thumbs up if you want the KONIG ULTRAGRAMS on the Civic
This is the way.
I have Konig Dekagrams on my civic, so I support this message 😂
Use the heliograms
I want to see you put Apex wheels on everything since somebody said they were played out with the e92 m3 build.
Definitely the Heliograms! 👍🏻
This car is what I think of when people say Honda. As an older guy I always liked the sleeper/modest looking cars. This here is perfect imho!! You guys nailed it.
Pro tip for the stuck race as an ASE master tech. Using a cutoff wheel at a 45 degree angle put a cut in the race without cutting all the way through. Then grab yourself a chisel and hammer and hammer the chisel into the groove you cut. Because the race is hardened it will crack after a few blows with the hammer and will easily slide off the spindle
I just said the same thing. It's surprising how easy it cracks through with a few solid hits.
And wear gloves when hitting! got metal in my hand a few times from the bearing shards
You can also score it and run a bead the other side, as weld cools it shrinks and cut the race
Those Ultragrams look legendary on that car. It takes my vote 110%
The only difference between all these prop valves is the main spring. I just went through the same thing buying used 4040 prop valves on eBay that were leaking. I bought a 3030, swapped in the 4040 main spring and it’s all good now.
You want that 40/40 prop valve. The 30/30 will lock up the rear too easily, really bad news if going hard on the brakes. It's extra bad if you're hard braking in a turn. Or even just regular braking in the wet or snow, the back end will want to come around.
Never had that issue.
@@MyWolffy when you encounter it you’ll never forget. You’d never notice it Sunday driving in the dry. Brake bias is a real thing.
Common practice at my shop if a race is stuck, I use an angle grinder and cut a slit in the race. One hit from a hammer and chisel in the slit and the race will generally crack into two pieces. You have to be careful to not cut too deep and always wear eye protection. Really the same concept you’re doing with the air hammer but the cut in the race is used as a guide so you don’t slip.
Bench bleeding is a super pro tip! Had issues when installing the clutch master on my dc5 and couldn’t get all the air out. After bench bleeding it made the process million times easier!
That tool works on VTEC B series, on the non VTEC B motors you have to do the wrench and screwdriver combo move.
I have to say I really like the ultragrams!
What we used to do when I worked at Honda, was use a grinder to cut a notch in the wheel bearing race. Then use a chisel to crack the race. It would slide right off after that.
22:32 the "insanity has been lost" laughter. Felt that
Def a vote for the Heliograms from me. Split 5-spoke is classic.
I appreciate including bits like the struggle with the proportioning valve, because working on real cars, especially old cars, are all about these struggles (components rusted or seized, or just not easily serviceable on the car), not just an engine build on a nice clean bench.
Klean street is always the best Honda hookup 🤙
Heliograms for sure !!
Voted for the Heliograms but wouldn't be sad to see the Ultragrams on this thing.
I am determined to buy a set of Heliograms one day❤ ❤❤❤
Ultragrams are looking good on this car. They get my vote!
i freaking love older civic builds. Gives me hope for buying up an older civic one day.
The whole break situation was hilarious, best auto channel on TH-cam.
Ultrgram wheels look awesome
I too also had 3 40/40 prop valves leak on me. It's such a pain. I despise them! So I totally understand why you gave up lol
I really like the ultra grams I think they really bring the car out you guys have really pulled out one of the best eg6 I've ever seen
Speed Academy's builds are the best!
This project is getting together nicely. As someone said before me: this is the true Honda picture in my head.
Man it’s crazy how much I love Honda’s !
Konig heliograms FTW!
Working 40/40 prop valves are RARE! I found 2 used and both failed. Attempted a rebuild on both using new seals, both still leaked. I kept the OE prop and it brakes still felt amazing. 🤷🏽♂️
The Ultragrams is my vote for the eg.
Keep up the work and God bless.
Jesus has risen, happy Easter!
damn this thing is turning into the perfect little street nugget!
"Tomorrow" 😂😂😂 I felt this. Heliograms...split five spoke all day.
Holy hell...those Ultragrams are making me consider selling my 3spokes
Both wheels look perfect for that car, but my vote is for the dual spoke design. Overall great project so far.
Love the clean understated performance look of this EG build - great street build.
These build videos are amazing guys!! Really enjoy your channel. Very informative. Looking forward to future videos!!
The Norseman returns!!!!! 😂
22:11 You can use the M seal. It will be fine
Just binged both the hatchies to catch up, man I love when you guys show honda love. would love another update video on the k swapped s14, I know you guys mentioned it recently in an update vid but I'd love to see it clash with these two legends on track!
I'm always stoked on speed academy 's builds. It would be cool to see you guys step out from the normal wheel selection and go with something different (ie flexus wheels).
Loving the series. For wheels Ultragrams hands down!
Hit the thumbs up if you want the KONIG HELIOGRAMS on the Civic
Ultragrams 😭
Both look good, but these fit my eye better.
Even though they are both 15s, the design of the Ultragrams makes them look even smaller on the car, and for that reason I have to go with the Heliograms.
Ultragrams give it kind of a throwback ssr type c look. Yes I know they were 6 spoke but gives me those vibes.
ultrasss
One of those Honda’s needs an all wheel drive build on this channel.
I don't think this is a drag racing channel
Serious question: are the awd conversions for these only beneficial for launches? Is the heavily fwd biased awd system from the wagovan and CRV not helpful in corners?
@@chaseteter It might help on a loose surface but an AWD converted Civic won't handle like an Evo or anything. I honestly think a well-sorted FWD Civic could turn a faster lap time at most tracks, assuming it isn't hugely struggling to put its power down.
can't wait to see this one fully built!
Phenomenal build, super clean street machine.. ultragrams all the way btw !!
Great video! Love the rear brake conversion and would like the double blade 5 star wheels! Keep up the great videos
For setting valve lash, i just slip it whatever gauge feeler I want lash set at, adjust the rocker, and make sure i have the correct resistance on the feeler. Its usually a one and done deal
In case anyone was wondering, a relay is just a high-current switch triggered remotely by a lower current. That way you aren’t running, say your 4-gauge starter power wire into the cabin. You can just use a relay.
7:50 you mentioned that you used a Mini Cooper S rotor. It's actually the mini "non" Type S rotor that fits that setup.
Thank you guys for all you do.
Thank god you replaced those rear old style blox toe arms the bushing where crap new.
PT Pumpin that brake pedal Hard!! 😂 Full power stance humpin that F’in pedal 😂🤣
Love you guys! From Seattle 🤙🏼
Really loving the build
Your build is amazing and oem+ thank you for all the details
I have hated ur channel since u have had less track coverage like ur older content
But both these Civics and the track time coming has braught me back
Another great build, car looks amazing.
Agreed
Back in 2001 i think, sport compact car magazine did an EG build that really reminds me of how this one is coming out. Beautiful build very understated but just right. 👌
Last time I was this early, I was still a twinkle in my Dad's eye.
Integra type r brakes 280/260mm always use a 1inch master cylinder. 15/16" is used on the ek4 or eg6 260/240 brakes .
great choice of medallion exhaust!!
DP was right with the Bluepoint tool, I have the same one and for some reason Honda has 10mm and 12mm rocker arm jam nuts, I think it just depends on the engine. My B16 is 10mm, maybe depends on the vtec option as well? No clue. Love the build, wish I could afford a clean EG, just impossible to find in ND, at least a clean one.
That EF IN the background 🔥
Love the build as usual! Thank You!
I pick Heliograms but I'm kinda biased. Just recently picked up a staggered set in bronze for my X-Runner.
Looks to me like the separate wrench and flat head is much easier to use on those non-VTEC heads. The special tool is only needed on VTEC heads where you can’t get a wrench on the adjuster lock nuts. I bought a set from Harbor Freight’s website way back in 2001, and still use them to this day.
You can also score the inner bearing race with a small cut-off wheel on a Dremel and then hit that score mark with a cold chisel and it will crack through and slide right off.
An angle grinder works too. Just have to be mindful of how quick you cut.
The cut and hammer method works everytime.
Love the ASMR style install clips!
Awesome video fellas.... My vote is for the split 5 spoke!
Definitely the ultragrams hands down
My vote is for the Heliograms
I change my mind, once you rolled the car back and forth in shop, I like the ultragrams.
Both those wheel sets are nice. Either one works fine
As some who changed 3 prop valves on a civic. Let me tell you. That job sucks and I hate it.
If you happen to blow throughout another prop valve. Take a look at your booster to master cylinder pushrod clearance. Took me forever to figure it out. I eventually switched to a 30/40 valve and oem RS brake booster/mc set up and never had anymore issues
Also if I have said it yet. I hate changing those valves
DP jokes are way too smooth. Litteral certified stud
The Heliograms look the best imo! Great wheel either way but Heliograms look a bit more modern, in a good way! OEM+!
I checked out the price of those coilovers. Wow! You guys aren’t messing around!
I love this EG so much.
I’ve had good luck in the past with pinching the ball race itself on an inner bearing flange with the bearing separator and pulling it off that way. No heat or chisel needed.
Ultragrams are one of my favorite wheels and would be a go-to on almost any car. Having said that..... I think the heliograms look a little better for this application and I am surprising myself by admitting it. Take your engagement.
Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
The hypergrams are the way to go!
the only thing i love is tje drum to disc conversion thay set the tone. cant wait to do that to my mirage (lancer coupe) we call it in australia.
OG civic I miss these
HELIOGRAMS all the way! A lot like my Enkei PF01SS’s.
Had you used an acetylene torch to get the race red hot it would have expanded enough to get it off, and the ultragram definitely suits the eg better!
The tool you tried to use is for 10mm jam nuts that are on the VTEC heads. Non vtec heads use a bigger 12mm jam nut. So stupid lol. I have to same tool but only works on vtec heads. I have to use a wrench and screw driver too didn’t feel like finding a 12mm version of the tool. I just go back over mine with a ratchet to make sure they’re torqued and tight lol
Great video as usual! I watch y’all every Saturday just like I watched horsepower tv growing up lol But they only did one JDM that I can remember. Much prefer all the Honda and JDM goodness
I really enjoy this channel... i feel the brake valve thing ... i have to do the same job and i don't wanna!!!😢
I like both set of wheels. My preference would probably be the 5 spoke
Heliogram for sure. Great video I really hope you're going to do something really unique with the front bumper =). Looking forward to the next episodes. Oh... and "On it's own accord" - Honda pun?
You didn't apply enough heat into the bearing race for it to slip off. It's typically easier to use an oxy acetylene torch rather than a MAP gas torch because it can apply more heat in a shorter amount of time.
Pulling out the Norseman🇨🇦
The Work license plate frame but Konig wheels is a vibe.
Ultragrams ALL THE WAYYY
If that was my car, I would leave it 100% bone stock on cosmetics other than fresh and new 5 spoke Konigs! I'm glad Pete got that braking system swapped out! I know how many F-bombs can be dropped from parts not wanting to come out like that lol... Can't wait for next vid guys 🤝
Ultragrams! Besides, greater sidewall = greater comfort on the road.
Next time cut the inner race a bit thats left on, then chizzle it and it will fracture and come off easy. Have to do this method on the S2000
5 spoke loud and clear
Dyno video next I hope!?? But glad to see this build come together!
bronze Konig good choice of wheels
Repping the Klean Street hoodie!
It's nice to see that.We're not the only ones that go through silly Things that take longer than they should when you're working on a car 😂
Would you guys reconsider the wheels for some period appropriate mugen wheels?
I hope you gents use a set of crower camshafts, 62402 or the 62403’s ……. To carry the power with out pushing the non vtec motor with too much boost
Heliogram FTW!