I'm happy she just stand her grounds and pushes for what she believes in to happen. She's now speeding to 2M subs and has already reached 1M views on the video. Bless our Senchou !
I'm just lost on how 3 niji members' acknowledgements = complete banger. It's not like they're more famous than Marine and not as successful either. This phrasing is used for when someone who isn't all that famous is gaining recognition from famous people.
Something to keep in mind about songs between Holo and Niji is that there's no rules against them singing each other's songs. Hell, you had that Legend of Polka episode where Polka and Honma sang each other's company's songs. In this case though, iirc Toko ain't exactly the kind to sing songs like these, and so just politely declined using the company as an excuse.
Thanks for commenting that, I don't really watch much so for a moment, I was confused whether they deny the request because it's other company song, or is it because the song itself
It's a bit sad that you have to explicitly point this out, if anyone actually watched the clip it's pretty obvious that Toko saying that Niji would get angry was referring to the lewdness of the song, not that it was a Holo song (Marine literally said "let's go to the world of lewdness together" right before)
Finana Ryugu & Millie Parfait from Nijisanji EN have also said they liked Treasure Box! I bet if it wasn't for the company rules, they would do a karaoke of it...!
I think Marine has unlocked the secret to getting increasingly Yabai things approved for her MVs All she has to do is spend like 10 grand on the music video and then when it comes time to asking for permission Cover is suddenly in a very difficult position in terms of actually saying no to anything lol.
Literally the first thought that went through my head after watching the MV and the translations for the first time was "just how on earth did Marine convince Hololive to greenlight this".
Despite working for rival companies it’s nice that the talents praise each other’s works and have friendly relationships with one another. The kind of wholesomeness this world needs tbh.
Never really saw Niji and Holo as "rival" companies tbh. More like brother/sister companies handling VTuber talents going for different directions in terms of content. Cross-company collabs were pretty usual, especially in the past. They're not trying to compete to get more viewers than the other, but rather just trying to get more viewers in general. And I'm positive majority of the fans enjoy both companies and either of them indirectly boosts the other company's popularity. Some people just like creating this divide, which I'm not very fond of
It's funny, her first original had TONS of people doing covers of it. But her 2nd one had very few, simply because it was such an awesome but crazy song that it was extremely hard for anyone to do a cover of it, especially live karaoke. This last one seems more reasonable in terms of being able to be covered more easily, but the content of it is definitely more overt and will only be okay with some talents. I do hope that we do get some covers of it though, I was bummed we never really got many covers of her last single, but I understood why.
I haven't been tuning in holo that much since last year and I just noticed her sub count boomed..which I didn't expect ..I thought Pekora would be reaching 2M 1st then Fubuki and Korone, but not it seems like she might surpass Pekora
I love it when I saw someone says something along the line of "Hololive vs Nijisanji rivalry", really shows whether they've been exposed too much to the toxic fandom or they're one of them. There's really no "beef" between each other, lots of their streamer interact daily, and some of them even often collab with each other. Reason why there are not much collabs is because you have to realize that on top of their daily streaming schedule, they have their own personal and company schedule. It's hard to find the perfect time to do it.
Awww Inui, Warawa, and Ran-nee so kind to Senchou! Nooo don't corrupt Inyui, she's too precious xD Nijistaffs will scold her? They'll definitely happy if she does it. They're all as wild as NijiLivers afterall 😂
Damn, some people really try to make drama out of this huh? Do they even know how Toko is? Or a better questions do they just read the clip title and saw the opportunity to rrat without even bother to watch the clip? lol
Actually there is some Niji members sometimes cover Holo songs in their karaoke streams. Even a mounth and a half ago, Ryushen covered Suichan and AZKi's songs and talked about how great songs is.
So Marine with her limiter unleashed is too lewd even for Niji ww Also after reading comment section, now I'm convinced that it's just the "fans" spreading rrats when both company are actually in a very good terms, heck it's not even about company, they're all colleagues in the same industry and some are even good friends with each other.
it's like saying Chris Evans and Ben Affleck hate each other in real life just because one does Marvel movies and one does DC movies. Such a contrived and immature narrative. A varied VTuber market will keep everyone on their A-game and constantly looking for new ways to impress and grow their fanbase, but it doesn't have to be cutthroat. They can just, y'know, inspire or impress each other. Like Marine did here.
Something tells me youtube uses Senchou's videos to quality test their algorithm.. Considering that it's still terrible and getting worse, I think Marine-baba is doing a terrific job!! ^_^
The issue isn't about the lewd, it's about the bilibili money lol. Cause if you're a niji fan you know they beat h olo and even vshojo out of the ballpark with lewd
Sadge the companies are a bit too strict on how their talents interact with eachother these days, bk in zhe day they would even collabo quite often, wonder why its this strict, competitiveness now that they stand quite tall or maybe some incident? either way i hope one day they can go bk to collabin' more easily/be less strict.
Duh both company got so big that those talents are flooding with events,sponsor and signing goods how they got time to manage a collab where both sides are busy with their own jobs, they aren't like 4-5 years ago just streaming all day everyday
@@guregureponn Yeah, i suppose with some talents that maybe true, but in that case maybe you'd see like at least a collabo every now and then, nowadays u only see like Tokomachi or Chihiro sisters and not even those so recently... but maybe i'm readin too much into that.
@@Elftwtf The only thing that really changed is the requests they need to fill to ask for collabs. This makes impossible to organize a sudden collab between companies.
HoloNiji collabs still happen you know: there was one just this week where they played Project Winter alongside members of .Live, NoriPro, and 774 as well.
Nijisanji and Hololive JP : friend with and admire each other Nijisanji ex ID and Hololive ID : play and stream together, with other vtubers too Nijisanji EN and Hololive EN : cool with each other although not doing stream together for whatever reasons but then kinda doomed because of discord leak
NijiEN and HoloEN are much like neutral they dont interact that much none of the council and Irys does and neither and only Mori and Kiara seem to interact with them
@@daviddj1406 the discord NijiEn talents talking about unfavorable against council not meeting the expectations that Myth got and the future Holostars EN will become a failure because Holostar JP is a failure because of their idol and cant collab with Hololive girls.
@@daviddj1406 the leak was over exaggeration basically one of them were comparing the success of council to its predecessor and how holostars was not well received at first debut but some holo fans got mad for what was practically an observation than anything started blasting calling nijisanji EN “trash talker” (which is further from the truth since vox a mega deadbeat and pomu one of kiaras friends were part of the conversation got hit from this as well) to the point of harassing Ollie for saying happy birthday to fugar who made the comparison to the point out of what was more likely sheer annoyance (understandably) took down the tweet which then lead to even more hostile relations between both ENs community’s crazy half’s
@@titanjakob1056 so it's always the vocal minority. But why isn't there attempts to reconcile? Apart from keeping the the rivaly competition wouldn't it better to have possibilities for collabs. Besides, to bar every talent in the branch is a bit excessive I think surely someone exceptions can be made.
I feel like Cover now got a more close relationship to youtube like how they can easily recover ban account from bots etc. so now theyre not afraid of getting ban by bots like from before.
Some are wondering why Ninisani would be against this considering currently wild talents but remember that it is the same management that will likely say no to a true EN Collab.
@@jon-unicorn-doxxer This still doesn't explain why literally every other branch can freely collab, it's only the EN groups that are being held back. Cuz EVERYONE in Nijisanji has a BiliBili account, not just NijiEN.
@@megamage911 NijiEn is the most popular branch there...that's just one of the reasons,,, the other reason is probably the discord leak last February... when Vshojo recruit kson it created a backlash from their growing vshojo fans in china,
@@megamage911 niji en have one of the biggest chinese fan, more than 50% luxiem fanbase are from china, there a reason why they live in europe but change timeslot to china primetime.
"wait why niji ban it?" its always been niji,why? what do u mean why? niji have a lot of CHINESE FANS,who chinese hate the most? hololive,its them who ban collab with holo,they don't want to lose their chinese fans lol
@@jon-unicorn-doxxer Perhaps they've changed. Holo was also less strict before the EN boom. And now Niji also had EN boom. With great power comes great responsibility after all.
This is about how lewd the song is and this is Toko we're talking about not every Nijisanji members is a crazy maniac person Toko is one of the normal one and she only said that the management would be "displeased" not "preventing" it just like how management displeased with Marine but she still do it anyway because of how she is and the same reason for Toko not gonna sing it because of how she is. Lastly, freedom in corporate have it limited no matter how much freedom the company give you there's still a line.
@@FujisakiChihiro55 if toko doesnt want to sing the song because its too lewd for her personally thats completely fine its her decision but its different case if she cant sing the song because of the management dont like it also, i dont think singing lewd song is crossing the "line"
@@animefan7424 she should just said it then instead of saying the management would get angry so either toko just use the management as an excuse or the management legit would get angry
@@qorqir5878 It was the same type of joke when Hololive members said that they would be scolded by the management if they did unseiso things. But Toko still most likely won't do it because the song is too lewd. And Marine most likely knows that.
@@mizhar1825 no use try to read too much into it, no one knows but just the fact toko bring management is still weird, and holo pretty much joking about "we are idol so we cant be unseiso" something like that, not because of "management" and the other are legit reason like afraid of youtube ban but those just for extreme cases for "lewd" holo because they got flagged by youtube
i don't think Toko is the type that into lewd stuff n i don't think her fans would like it if she sings that kind of song,so i think her rejecting to sing that song is for the better,because there is potential vtuber drama happening from that also,there are Niji members that will have no problem to sing that kind of song,but Toko is just not one of them
You need to understand that everything will have a line and not every Nijisanji members is a crazy maniac who always test the the limit of management, this is Toko we're talking about she's one of the normal member she's not someone who will go out of her way to test the limit of line, that's just how she is.
They still represent Niji, so certain things HAVE to be discussed with Management for approval, an Unseiso Song made by a Hololive member is probably on that list.
There have been changes in the any color/management side of things lately(most likely from bilibili). It's why there have been several notables leaving this summer
I would make a guess not one vtuber in either company has an issue with the other company it's some antiquaited bunch of stuff corporate suits who care about anything. It's actually silly to me that companies in a goofy business like this think they have to be SO serious, let's be real you're just ridiculous companies peddling fan service not something like Microsoft versus Apple lol I look at vtuber companies very similar to professional wrestling, first it's an optional very niche fandom, different companies have individual fans and some crossover fans who watch everything, any collaberation would only strengthen both parties seeing many of those individual fans experience the other company for the first time and have a wider range for videos and interesting personalities playing off eachother, oh but we want to nit pick about social media or some weird "We are better" mentality, basically get over yourself and be smart business people not narrow minded goofs.
Sure they can and they do if you check Twitter ! They constantly have back and forths there. What they cannot do unfortunately is have collabs, which imo is bs but i will still respect it.
@@giannisc.5254 You are my spirit animal xD. Yea it's a shame that Niji EN can't collab with Hololive but it's just something we as a fan base can't really do much, yes i'd love a collab as much as the next person but i live by the motto, try to not get to upset over things you can't control and to me this is one of those things. We still see them interact a lot so it isn't like they can't speak to each other.
But they do though? A lot of the HoloEN members interact with NijiEN members on Twitter and vice versa, especially the likes of Kiara and Pomu. It's only the collabs that seem to be hampered.
"My company wasn't too happy but I still did it!" that's the best part for me LOL GO FOR IT SENCHOU! don't let anyone stop you LOL
You had 69 likes. I ruined that. Remember me.
Fr. I'm astounded Hololive actually let her do this, considering last year she had to beg and plead to even let them allow her a swimsuit outfit xD
@@megamage911 well it helps she rakes them a lot of money nowadays and doesn't hurt that she's bit stubborn to boot
@@sugipulaboule no one cares
@@narutogen13 True, she is one of their top earners, I'm sure that gives her some pull in the company xD
Marine may not be Seiso, but her lewdness is pure
That’s some Vegeta logic there back when the dub made us think you had to be pure of heart to become Super Saiyan.
@@orangeapples TFS Vegeta: Ah, but my heart is PURE. Pure, unadulterated, BADASS. :)
TFS Tien: More like pure, unadulterated ego. :/
@@mathunit1 I HEARD THAT TRICLOPS
part of her charm
Huh
The true final boss is Marine. Testing the limits of her company, another company, and TH-cam simultaneously.
Coco rolling in her bed rn 😂
"I can take 3 at once"
"In a fight?"
" ; 3 "
"In a fight, right?"
Idk why but my mind went: hmmm sounds just like edging 3 times in a row
@@indra_vrtrahan I'm sure she is proud of Senchou pushing like this xD
@@indra_vrtrahan Coco is cheery Marine on
I'm happy she just stand her grounds and pushes for what she believes in to happen.
She's now speeding to 2M subs and has already reached 1M views on the video.
Bless our Senchou !
Marine’s mistake was asking Toko when she should’ve asked Mikoto.
Warawa would’ve indeed done it in a heartbeat lol
Desuwa?
In a heart beat lmao
Marine should asked any of the SKB Club to sing it 😂
@@dinozero2 i would pay big money for skb club to sing this song
Getting Toko to actually sing that song is like getting Suisei to do the same thing, *literally impossible* xD
They need finana xd
@@kodokuna_kageshadow Finana is the perfect choice for singing that song hahaha
@@kodokuna_kageshadow But Finana was among the Niji EN who mocked Hololive, are you sure about that?
@@vterans8804 I'm not very interested in those silly dramas, in the end that's up to the managers
@RanStuff ah yes manjisanji en equivalent
then you see people in every comment section be like "that is why I don't like Hololive, they cater too much for the seiso culture!!"
LMAO
Marine even outplayed The Nijisanji! Actually I'm excited if Toko or Mikoto are interested to sing it.
You know you've made a complete banger if 3 well-known NIJI members ended up going outta their way to praise you for it.
Nah cuz nijisanji < hololive
@@Gatitasecsii that's a matter of perspective.
@@Gatitasecsii Hololive ❤️ Nijisanji
vshoujo>
I'm just lost on how 3 niji members' acknowledgements = complete banger. It's not like they're more famous than Marine and not as successful either. This phrasing is used for when someone who isn't all that famous is gaining recognition from famous people.
Marines new song is so powerful even THE Nijisanji sought to be seiso on this one lol.
she's just asking the wrong person
Something to keep in mind about songs between Holo and Niji is that there's no rules against them singing each other's songs. Hell, you had that Legend of Polka episode where Polka and Honma sang each other's company's songs. In this case though, iirc Toko ain't exactly the kind to sing songs like these, and so just politely declined using the company as an excuse.
Thanks for commenting that, I don't really watch much so for a moment, I was confused whether they deny the request because it's other company song, or is it because the song itself
On that note, SuiChan and Toko had a lot of collab songs as well as collab radio shows so both companies' talents are on good terms with each other
I feel like saying “hey, sing my new song” is a bit disrespectful regardless of company matters
It's a bit sad that you have to explicitly point this out, if anyone actually watched the clip it's pretty obvious that Toko saying that Niji would get angry was referring to the lewdness of the song, not that it was a Holo song (Marine literally said "let's go to the world of lewdness together" right before)
She also got a message from Warawa and Ran-nee but she asked the most normal one like Inui to sing it, Sasuga.
Fr. I could easily imagine the other 2 singing it, but Toko... Not so much xD
Part of me thinks it's intentional in order to get the maximum amount of squirm
**silky devil voice**
My my, friend. I ask you this; does it not produce the most SIN when you corrupt something that is pure?
@@TPixelAdventures Marine absolutely lives by this xD
Been awhile since we seen them together, or even heard them mentioned. That goes how busy everyone since covid quarantine is over
To release the song marin kidnapped yagoo and is holding him at ransom
Im glad Marine has the vision, the determination and the shed to make her great art.
Finana Ryugu & Millie Parfait from Nijisanji EN have also said they liked Treasure Box! I bet if it wasn't for the company rules, they would do a karaoke of it...!
Marine made the right call this time.
After Danchou pointed out that Marine appears to be quite...excited...in her new outfit I cant unsee it.
"Rules are made too be broken" - senchou probably.
even NIJISANJI livers who are notorious for world ending war crimes are backing down for senchou, her power is absolute.
Marine limits are broken
the seiso is forgotten
@@carlosdiaz5267
She's even forgotten her age.
EDIT: Trying to make a Revengeance status here.
@@Influence417 probably, look, she can even move like that when live, is her hips going to be fine?
@@Influence417 bruh...
@@Influence417 She doesn't know the season
I think Marine has unlocked the secret to getting increasingly Yabai things approved for her MVs
All she has to do is spend like 10 grand on the music video and then when it comes time to asking for permission Cover is suddenly in a very difficult position in terms of actually saying no to anything lol.
Even niji known for unhinge is too much to handle marine xD
You don't need to be Seiso if you are Senchou
It was having flashbacks to "Me! Me! Me!"
But they were good ones.
Literally the first thought that went through my head after watching the MV and the translations for the first time was "just how on earth did Marine convince Hololive to greenlight this".
Despite working for rival companies it’s nice that the talents praise each other’s works and have friendly relationships with one another. The kind of wholesomeness this world needs tbh.
Never really saw Niji and Holo as "rival" companies tbh. More like brother/sister companies handling VTuber talents going for different directions in terms of content. Cross-company collabs were pretty usual, especially in the past.
They're not trying to compete to get more viewers than the other, but rather just trying to get more viewers in general. And I'm positive majority of the fans enjoy both companies and either of them indirectly boosts the other company's popularity. Some people just like creating this divide, which I'm not very fond of
They're not really rivals, they've worked with eachother forever and even used eachothers studios for 3d videos before
Unlike the niji en branch. The jps are pretty tightly knitted.
I was wondering how management even allowed that song, now it makes sense lol
Holy shit that so based, Marine.
I'm gonna sit in Warawa Stream untill she Sing it
Toko has an awesome voice, so if she ever does sing it, it will be magical.
Whaaaaaa!? Even Nijisanji can't handle Marine? What sorcery is this?
Nijisanji meets marine
Ok nijisanji is *seiso* company . 😂
she is so real
Senchou is the strongest!
It's funny, her first original had TONS of people doing covers of it. But her 2nd one had very few, simply because it was such an awesome but crazy song that it was extremely hard for anyone to do a cover of it, especially live karaoke. This last one seems more reasonable in terms of being able to be covered more easily, but the content of it is definitely more overt and will only be okay with some talents.
I do hope that we do get some covers of it though, I was bummed we never really got many covers of her last single, but I understood why.
I haven't been tuning in holo that much since last year and I just noticed her sub count boomed..which I didn't expect ..I thought Pekora would be reaching 2M 1st then Fubuki and Korone, but not it seems like she might surpass Pekora
It is possibly related to those 3 being more busy doing lots of promo things (because of their popularity) and Korone also took long breaks this year
I love it when I saw someone says something along the line of "Hololive vs Nijisanji rivalry", really shows whether they've been exposed too much to the toxic fandom or they're one of them.
There's really no "beef" between each other, lots of their streamer interact daily, and some of them even often collab with each other.
Reason why there are not much collabs is because you have to realize that on top of their daily streaming schedule, they have their own personal and company schedule. It's hard to find the perfect time to do it.
I could see Mikoto singing it before Toko lol
I am beginning to wonder if Hololive Summer's plot is based on actual events of Marine literally forcing the company to make it happen.
Even Nijisanji can't handle Marine's lewdness. Still, that's really cool to hear that Inui-san liked it.
Marine make her own rule againts another rule ~ the real Captain !
She really did it, and I'm happy for her.
brake the barriers, where u can!
Ange will definitely sing that lol
I think Hoshikawa would sing it XD
never change senchou never change
You know you've reach peak ero when Nijisanji won't even touch it with a 39 and a half foot pole
Even Hololive cannot stop senchou. Marine is literally unstoppable now.
When even the unhinged company of Vtubing nijisanji said that management would get angry says alot lmao
Awww Inui, Warawa, and Ran-nee so kind to Senchou!
Nooo don't corrupt Inyui, she's too precious xD
Nijistaffs will scold her? They'll definitely happy if she does it. They're all as wild as NijiLivers afterall 😂
You know you're pushing it if it's too much even for Nijisanji
Marine is really the Ecchi queen 🙇
Mikoto may have been up for singing that
Basically senchou told them to moan if they sang this song 💀
We do realize that by "this company", we're talking about the company affiliating the SKB club girls, right?
Senchou said I still did it with such conviction. If it hasn't happened already, a Holosanji Collab song would be awesome
It'd be cool to see more stuff with them together. I only know of a few inui toko x suisei songs
At least the Reddit mods can’t erase/silence this funny moment from TH-cam hah
Damn, some people really try to make drama out of this huh? Do they even know how Toko is? Or a better questions do they just read the clip title and saw the opportunity to rrat without even bother to watch the clip? lol
after 2 years you just get used to it
Need more collab between vtubers companies...
A little trolling
Have Nijisanji cover Holo Songs and then Holo cover Niji songs.
Finally
We might get Gura twerk to Diamond City Lights
Actually there is some Niji members sometimes cover Holo songs in their karaoke streams. Even a mounth and a half ago, Ryushen covered Suichan and AZKi's songs and talked about how great songs is.
So Marine with her limiter unleashed is too lewd even for Niji ww
Also after reading comment section, now I'm convinced that it's just the "fans" spreading rrats when both company are actually in a very good terms, heck it's not even about company, they're all colleagues in the same industry and some are even good friends with each other.
it's like saying Chris Evans and Ben Affleck hate each other in real life just because one does Marvel movies and one does DC movies. Such a contrived and immature narrative. A varied VTuber market will keep everyone on their A-game and constantly looking for new ways to impress and grow their fanbase, but it doesn't have to be cutthroat. They can just, y'know, inspire or impress each other. Like Marine did here.
But what about the en branch? Is that just normal company v company competition?
@@daviddj1406 I would say yes. A lot of them interact with each other in some way on Twitter.
Something tells me youtube uses Senchou's videos to quality test their algorithm..
Considering that it's still terrible and getting worse, I think Marine-baba is doing a terrific job!! ^_^
cuute, I love when hololive and nijisanji members collab on the sneaky beaky down low even if their companies seem opposed to it
nah, that's just the EN managements
The issue isn't about the lewd, it's about the bilibili money lol. Cause if you're a niji fan you know they beat h olo and even vshojo out of the ballpark with lewd
Fuck the company I do whatever I want, if they don't like it best to fire me and lose a good talent XD
Sadge the companies are a bit too strict on how their talents interact with eachother these days, bk in zhe day they would even collabo quite often, wonder why its this strict, competitiveness now that they stand quite tall or maybe some incident? either way i hope one day they can go bk to collabin' more easily/be less strict.
Ever thought about the talents just don't feel like collabing or having no time/schedules not lining up?
Duh both company got so big that those talents are flooding with events,sponsor and signing goods how they got time to manage a collab where both sides are busy with their own jobs, they aren't like 4-5 years ago just streaming all day everyday
@@guregureponn Yeah, i suppose with some talents that maybe true, but in that case maybe you'd see like at least a collabo every now and then, nowadays u only see like Tokomachi or Chihiro sisters and not even those so recently... but maybe i'm readin too much into that.
@@Elftwtf The only thing that really changed is the requests they need to fill to ask for collabs. This makes impossible to organize a sudden collab between companies.
HoloNiji collabs still happen you know: there was one just this week where they played Project Winter alongside members of .Live, NoriPro, and 774 as well.
Marine really have unabashed horniness lol
Plot thickensss... mmmmmmm...
Where's the thumbnail art from? It got me feeling some way
Nijisanji and Hololive JP : friend with and admire each other
Nijisanji ex ID and Hololive ID : play and stream together, with other vtubers too
Nijisanji EN and Hololive EN : cool with each other although not doing stream together for whatever reasons but then kinda doomed because of discord leak
NijiEN and HoloEN are much like neutral they dont interact that much none of the council and Irys does and neither and only Mori and Kiara seem to interact with them
Idk the discord leak are about, but is it really that bad for both parties to prevent any collabs among their talents?
@@daviddj1406 the discord NijiEn talents talking about unfavorable against council not meeting the expectations that Myth got and the future Holostars EN will become a failure because Holostar JP is a failure because of their idol and cant collab with Hololive girls.
@@daviddj1406 the leak was over exaggeration basically one of them were comparing the success of council to its predecessor and how holostars was not well received at first debut but some holo fans got mad for what was practically an observation than anything started blasting calling nijisanji EN “trash talker” (which is further from the truth since vox a mega deadbeat and pomu one of kiaras friends were part of the conversation got hit from this as well) to the point of harassing Ollie for saying happy birthday to fugar who made the comparison to the point out of what was more likely sheer annoyance (understandably) took down the tweet which then lead to even more hostile relations between both ENs community’s crazy half’s
@@titanjakob1056 so it's always the vocal minority. But why isn't there attempts to reconcile? Apart from keeping the the rivaly competition wouldn't it better to have possibilities for collabs. Besides, to bar every talent in the branch is a bit excessive I think surely someone exceptions can be made.
Coco walked by pushing the rules so Marine could run by shattering them.
Kaichou & Senchou are the two true wildcards.
I feel like Cover now got a more close relationship to youtube like how they can easily recover ban account from bots etc. so now theyre not afraid of getting ban by bots like from before.
Some are wondering why Ninisani would be against this considering currently wild talents but remember that it is the same management that will likely say no to a true EN Collab.
they care of chinese money...NijiEn are popular in china and hololive is ban there because of taiwan incident a long time ago
@@jon-unicorn-doxxer This still doesn't explain why literally every other branch can freely collab, it's only the EN groups that are being held back. Cuz EVERYONE in Nijisanji has a BiliBili account, not just NijiEN.
@@megamage911 NijiEn is the most popular branch there...that's just one of the reasons,,, the other reason is probably the discord leak last February... when Vshojo recruit kson it created a backlash from their growing vshojo fans in china,
@@megamage911 niji en have one of the biggest chinese fan, more than 50% luxiem fanbase are from china, there a reason why they live in europe but change timeslot to china primetime.
@@durian111 only 3 of them live in Europe. The rest are either North America or Australia.
ahh it's been a long time marine not collabing again with niji member's, miss her back then when streaming with mikoto mama and sou chan :'(
Ecchi Sans Frontieres - Horni without (company) borders, this is a MUST
Is the company will angry because the song is lewd, or they angry because is Hololive?
Hmmmmm
Senchou make what your love and that's good. Let nobody stop you.
this kinda confirms the theory that its niji company who is avoiding holo talents (prob because the chinese stuff)
Ah, yeah, Nijisanji, the company that famously only employs seiso vtubers. 👀
4ch and 2ch weirdos seething
unity bros are crying
Nijisanji? Punish for being lewd? Then Finana must be streaming from the 9th level of Nijisanji's dungeon then.
Toko probably wouldn't, but Tomoe probably would
A lot of unemployed people in the comments 😩
Do they have problems with nijisanjii or its just potential to become a problem
No, this is just all about how the song is and Toko just use the company as a polite way of rejecting.
"wait why niji ban it?" its always been niji,why? what do u mean why? niji have a lot of CHINESE FANS,who chinese hate the most? hololive,its them who ban collab with holo,they don't want to lose their chinese fans lol
They can keep them.
dumb fan who knows n understand nothing
how? I thought Niji has more freedom...
the last two graduations of Niji talents reason is about dissatisfaction with management handling their stuff
@@jon-unicorn-doxxer Perhaps they've changed. Holo was also less strict before the EN boom. And now Niji also had EN boom. With great power comes great responsibility after all.
This is about how lewd the song is and this is Toko we're talking about not every Nijisanji members is a crazy maniac person Toko is one of the normal one and she only said that the management would be "displeased" not "preventing" it just like how management displeased with Marine but she still do it anyway because of how she is and the same reason for Toko not gonna sing it because of how she is.
Lastly, freedom in corporate have it limited no matter how much freedom the company give you there's still a line.
@@FujisakiChihiro55 if toko doesnt want to sing the song because its too lewd for her personally thats completely fine its her decision but its different case if she cant sing the song because of the management dont like it
also, i dont think singing lewd song is crossing the "line"
@@qorqir5878 I'm pretty sure she just used that as an excuse to reject singing it though.
why niji got angry just for that ? i dont think the song being lewd is a problem for them
Toko doesn’t really want to sing it, she’s not the of the lewd types in niji
@@animefan7424 she should just said it then instead of saying the management would get angry
so either toko just use the management as an excuse or the management legit would get angry
@@qorqir5878 It was the same type of joke when Hololive members said that they would be scolded by the management if they did unseiso things. But Toko still most likely won't do it because the song is too lewd. And Marine most likely knows that.
@@mizhar1825 no use try to read too much into it, no one knows but just the fact toko bring management is still weird, and holo pretty much joking about "we are idol so we cant be unseiso" something like that, not because of "management" and the other are legit reason like afraid of youtube ban but those just for extreme cases for "lewd" holo because they got flagged by youtube
Now we know Nijisaji and Hololive won't like each other or against each other (for now time being)
i don't think Toko is the type that into lewd stuff n i don't think her fans would like it if she sings that kind of song,so i think her rejecting to sing that song is for the better,because there is potential vtuber drama happening from that
also,there are Niji members that will have no problem to sing that kind of song,but Toko is just not one of them
I thought Niji is more open to stuffs like these than Hololive? LOL
its always been niji that ban it,they have a tons of chinese fans,who else chinese hate the most? hololive
You need to understand that everything will have a line and not every Nijisanji members is a crazy maniac who always test the the limit of management, this is Toko we're talking about she's one of the normal member she's not someone who will go out of her way to test the limit of line, that's just how she is.
I guess you didn't know Inui Toko that much sadge. But I guess that what I would expect from a casual lol jk.
not every niji members are crazy n lewd,clearly you know nothing for saying that,to be expected
Senchou gives no shit, she's bigger than any company and she knows it ❤
Niji will angry? Impossible. So the talents still needs permission. I thought the company already stated "they are free"
free with few exception,
They still represent Niji, so certain things HAVE to be discussed with Management for approval, an Unseiso Song made by a Hololive member is probably on that list.
ofc they are,u forgot that niji have a lot chinese fans?
I think it has something to do with the song itself being so unseiso. Especially if it contains moaning.
There have been changes in the any color/management side of things lately(most likely from bilibili). It's why there have been several notables leaving this summer
I would make a guess not one vtuber in either company has an issue with the other company it's some antiquaited bunch of stuff corporate suits who care about anything. It's actually silly to me that companies in a goofy business like this think they have to be SO serious, let's be real you're just ridiculous companies peddling fan service not something like Microsoft versus Apple lol I look at vtuber companies very similar to professional wrestling, first it's an optional very niche fandom, different companies have individual fans and some crossover fans who watch everything, any collaberation would only strengthen both parties seeing many of those individual fans experience the other company for the first time and have a wider range for videos and interesting personalities playing off eachother, oh but we want to nit pick about social media or some weird "We are better" mentality, basically get over yourself and be smart business people not narrow minded goofs.
Its more like this divided only exist in the western fandom lol
@@BeruleAdierant well that could be true too, idk the ins and outs but it all seems silly really
Marine is definitely TOO POWERFUL for nijisanji lmao
That says a lot, because Nijisanji is too powerful in a lot of ways themselves.
Nijisanji will be mad because they don't want them to shill Marine's song. Marine is just too popular compare to nijis
It sure is nice to be able to reach out to other vtubers from Nijisanji. Kinda unfair that the HoloEN members can't do it.
Sure they can and they do if you check Twitter ! They constantly have back and forths there. What they cannot do unfortunately is have collabs, which imo is bs but i will still respect it.
@@giannisc.5254 You are my spirit animal xD. Yea it's a shame that Niji EN can't collab with Hololive but it's just something we as a fan base can't really do much, yes i'd love a collab as much as the next person but i live by the motto, try to not get to upset over things you can't control and to me this is one of those things. We still see them interact a lot so it isn't like they can't speak to each other.
But they do though? A lot of the HoloEN members interact with NijiEN members on Twitter and vice versa, especially the likes of Kiara and Pomu. It's only the collabs that seem to be hampered.
the company n the fans make it not possible
This is literally Romeo and Juliet
Even the company has started a war, not by the fan anymore
Man nijisanji sucks from the top, down...