Hi Pastor, Thank you for this. I have a related question, two in fact. What happened to the soul of the Nephilim after they died in the flood and, where do demons come from. These two questions represent one obvious one but I put it in two parts because, as far as I can tell, Scripture is silent on both counts. I dispute the thought that demons are just fallen Angles because, as you stated, Angles can't die, and therefore can not be disembodied spirits. Any clarity you could provide would be helpful and apricated.
@jones9159 Good questions. As to the souls of the Nephilim, we are not aware of a verse that specifically addresses such issue. As to where demons come from, the KJV never uses the word "demon". It does use the word devils. It seems to us that devils are fallen angels. We wonder about these things as well but are not aware of verses that give great clarity.
@@ColumbusBibleChurch Thank you Pastor. There are a number of questions I have had over the years that seem to be unaddressed in Scripture. In these cases I am content to accept that God has told us everything we need to know, therefore, some things we need not know.
The flood wasn't meant to get rid of or kill off angels. It happened for several reasons, one of the biggest reasons was to flush the world of the wicked, but also to eliminate the progeny of the angels, or watchers that corrupted the genealogy of humankind, the 'nephilim' and the corrupted results of their lineage. If God allowed them to stay on Earth, it would have ended up polluting ALL mankind and the lineage of Jesus would not have been possible. The watchers, angels that were the beginning of that corruption were removed from the Earth, chained in hell until judgement.
Genesis 6:4 says there were giants in the earth in those days ( already there) my guess would be animals because they were judged in the flood also. Great teaching brother
There's zero dogmatic, specific evidence that puts angels of any kind in Genesis 6. What is being taught is the Apocrypha book of Enoch (fables, myths) and people simply believe every time a minister hits in Genesis 6 it has to do with this stuff. No. Trouble is, nearly no one actually pays any attention to what Genesis 6 actually talks about because they're too busy focusing on fables and mythology.
Apocrypha: 2 Enoch 18: _And those men answered me, “These are the Grigori, who turned aside from the Lord, 200 myriads, together with their prince Satanail. And similar to them are those who went down as prisoners in their train, who are in the second heaven, imprisoned in great darkness. And three of them descended (соидошася три) to the earth from the Lord’s Throne onto the place Ermon. And they broke the promise on the shoulder of Mount Ermon. And they saw the daughters of men, how beautiful they were; and they took wives for themselves, and the earth was defiled by their deeds. Who … in the entire time of this age acted lawlessly and practiced miscegenation and gave birth to giants and great monsters and great enmity. And that is why God has judged them with a great judgment; and they mourn their brothers, and they will be outrages on the great day of the Lord.”_ Really wish Grace preachers today would *stop teaching the Apocrypha and conflating that with the Holy and Perfect Scriptures,* acting like they are one in the same.
I agree, It makes more sense, and I tend to lean towards believing that the sons of God in Gen 6 and Job 1&2 were the believing remnant before Israel was formed. Job shows they had a priestly role, and I think Job was possibly included from the flow of the passages. Satan was there to accuse them as they presented themselves to God with sacrifices (As Adam, Abel, and Noah probably had passed down to them). The only passage in the Bible that I've found that talks of sons of God, and might mean angels is Job 38:7. But to build a whole system of doctrine off of one poetic verse seems dangerous. So also is it to bring in apocryphal doctrine and mix it with Scripture. Also, to say that angels married seems to go against Matt 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Unless one thinks that this doesn't include fallen angels who once were angels of God in heaven? Anyway, not a subject I'd cause division over, but is interesting to study for oneself. Grace.
Great job of putting several topics into one cohesive teaching. Now I have a greater understanding.
Amen!
If the angels are bound during the flood, how do we get Giants after the flood?
@flamethrower549 Different angels. Grace.
@flamethrower549 Different angels. Grace.
Hi Pastor, Thank you for this. I have a related question, two in fact. What happened to the soul of the Nephilim after they died in the flood and, where do demons come from. These two questions represent one obvious one but I put it in two parts because, as far as I can tell, Scripture is silent on both counts. I dispute the thought that demons are just fallen Angles because, as you stated, Angles can't die, and therefore can not be disembodied spirits. Any clarity you could provide would be helpful and apricated.
@jones9159 Good questions. As to the souls of the Nephilim, we are not aware of a verse that specifically addresses such issue. As to where demons come from, the KJV never uses the word "demon". It does use the word devils. It seems to us that devils are fallen angels. We wonder about these things as well but are not aware of verses that give great clarity.
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@@ColumbusBibleChurch Thank you Pastor. There are a number of questions I have had over the years that seem to be unaddressed in Scripture. In these cases I am content to accept that God has told us everything we need to know, therefore, some things we need not know.
The flood wasn't meant to get rid of or kill off angels. It happened for several reasons, one of the biggest reasons was to flush the world of the wicked, but also to eliminate the progeny of the angels, or watchers that corrupted the genealogy of humankind, the 'nephilim' and the corrupted results of their lineage. If God allowed them to stay on Earth, it would have ended up polluting ALL mankind and the lineage of Jesus would not have been possible.
The watchers, angels that were the beginning of that corruption were removed from the Earth, chained in hell until judgement.
Genesis 6:4 says there were giants in the earth in those days ( already there) my guess would be animals because they were judged in the flood also.
Great teaching brother
There's zero dogmatic, specific evidence that puts angels of any kind in Genesis 6. What is being taught is the Apocrypha book of Enoch (fables, myths) and people simply believe every time a minister hits in Genesis 6 it has to do with this stuff. No. Trouble is, nearly no one actually pays any attention to what Genesis 6 actually talks about because they're too busy focusing on fables and mythology.
Apocrypha:
2 Enoch 18:
_And those men answered me, “These are the Grigori, who turned aside from the Lord, 200 myriads, together with their prince Satanail. And similar to them are those who went down as prisoners in their train, who are in the second heaven, imprisoned in great darkness. And three of them descended (соидошася три) to the earth from the Lord’s Throne onto the place Ermon. And they broke the promise on the shoulder of Mount Ermon. And they saw the daughters of men, how beautiful they were; and they took wives for themselves, and the earth was defiled by their deeds. Who … in the entire time of this age acted lawlessly and practiced miscegenation and gave birth to giants and great monsters and great enmity. And that is why God has judged them with a great judgment; and they mourn their brothers, and they will be outrages on the great day of the Lord.”_
Really wish Grace preachers today would *stop teaching the Apocrypha and conflating that with the Holy and Perfect Scriptures,* acting like they are one in the same.
I agree, It makes more sense, and I tend to lean towards believing that the sons of God in Gen 6 and Job 1&2 were the believing remnant before Israel was formed. Job shows they had a priestly role, and I think Job was possibly included from the flow of the passages. Satan was there to accuse them as they presented themselves to God with sacrifices (As Adam, Abel, and Noah probably had passed down to them).
The only passage in the Bible that I've found that talks of sons of God, and might mean angels is Job 38:7. But to build a whole system of doctrine off of one poetic verse seems dangerous. So also is it to bring in apocryphal doctrine and mix it with Scripture.
Also, to say that angels married seems to go against Matt 22:30 -
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Unless one thinks that this doesn't include fallen angels who once were angels of God in heaven?
Anyway, not a subject I'd cause division over, but is interesting to study for oneself. Grace.