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- Harley Davidson Rules the US Market so why does everyone bash them as a hobby. In this video while out riding my Harley I review the "WHY's" that I continue to hear from people that have Harley Davidson and other motorcycles. Why do you bash Harley or do you believe they are great motorcycles like so many?
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When Michael Parks pulled up to that stop light on the Sportster in the first episode of "Then Came Bronson" on March 24, 1969, I decided right then and there that one day I would have a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. It took 51 years, 3 Yamahas and 1 Honda, but on Labor Day 2020, I went to the local dealer determined to bring home the HD that I had wanted since I was a kid, and that's exactly what I did. I didn't do it to be part of a club, or because everyone told me that's what I needed to do. I did it because I made that decision 51 years ago, and was finally able to make it happen. Mission accomplished.
This is one of the coolest comments I’ve ever gotten any video. I am so glad that you got that bike and appreciate the story.
I've been riding Harley-Davidsons for 40 years. They're heavy-duty, incredibly tough and premium quality. I put on 15k+ a year. And after all these years when I climb on and hit the start button it thrills me to my core. I maybe 69 but riding that bike is like entering the fountain of youth and it speaks to me, "Come on Big Boy, let's ride."
F**k the jealous little harley bashers.
You’re talking some truth, right there, Randy, enjoy the riding
i bought my harley, one, i love their sound, two, i love their looks, three, i love that they represent America, freedom. I love people always come up and say, " nice bike". really love when people come up a say, "thats the best sounding harley i have heard in along time". been smiling since 05.
Couldn't agree more!
I bought my Ultra Limited for all the reasons that you mentioned. Most importantly, it fits my personality. I love looking back at it when I walk away, because it looks so damn good.
You know what they say when you look back you bought the right bike
Great discussion, bought my first Harley in 1975 (Superglide) because of the style, sound, culture, and how they have always stirred my soul. Now I'm on a 2021 Tri Glide and loving it. I still have the same smile on my face every time I start it or walk away from it in my garage! True motorcyclists don't worry about the brand, it should be about the joy of the ride! 😎😎
You were totally right when we are passing somebody on the road. Are we really looking at what kind of like they have?
My first bike was a Honda VTX. That was an awesome bike that I rode for almost 10 years. I had a 2013 FatBoy after that and now have a 2015 Ultra Limited. The reason I wanted the Ultra is that it is an outstanding machine.
Totally agree to me. It’s about the bike as well.
I dig the H-D bikes. Some don’t. People always complain about things and I just smile and get on my bikes and enjoy. As long as I’m happy, I’m content.
I thought this was about making me happy?
I bought my first Harley in 2010 and it was because I saw a Road King that I literally fell in love with. Prior to seeing the Road King I had decided to buy a Kawasaki (to save money). But when I saw the Road King I had to have it. I have bought a total of four Harleys and have never been dissatisfied with the bikes or any of my dealership experiences. Ride what you ride because we love to ride!
Love the King
I live in eastern central Florida near Daytona…… me and my girl came down here 13 years ago with a sport bike (Suzuki) ….. probably 80% of the bikes you see on the road are Harleys.
I was bouncing around the thought of getting a Harley, something a bit roomier for her on the back
2011 Dad offered me his 2002 Goldwing 1800 ….. what a machine !!!!! Absolutely a pleasure to ride , fast , smooth, comfortable for both of us ….. maybe 2+ years ago I bought an 07 ultra classic with 21k on the clock , almost a flawless bike …. I freaking love that Harley ….. so much fun to ride , TORQUE in every rpm range … loud exhaust … and honestly I think it’s just as comfortable as the Wing …… my girl likes both bike as well but says the Wing has a little more room for her and a bit more smoother on the crappy roads …. Non the less I’m stoked to be able to own both these machines and have no issues with whatever anyone wants to ride …. I wave to everyone…. It’s about getting out on the open road , throw all your worries aside and have fun , meet new people who enjoy the same thing …. Just getting out there and making memories….. nothing in this world is perfect, bikes have issues .. that’s life , just deal with it and move on ….. even my Goldwing has had issues….. my Harley too …. It’s about the ride NOT necessarily about what you ride Keep the shiny side up and enjoy and most importantly be safe out there
You are so right on on all your comments and it’s cool that you have both bikes. I have half a dozen friends that have switched to the gold wing and love it.
I've been riding for 45 years. So far this year I've had more close calls than any other year. 2 times with a deer, 3 times someone pulling out of a driveway and 2 times someone doing a turning into their driveway in front of me.
Crazy year for you!
First bike was a Honda Sabre. Didn’t want no stinking slow Harley when I was 25. Fast forward 38 years. I own a Tri Glide. Now you want to hear trash talk even from Harley owners, buy a Trike. Fortunately I could care less what others think cuz when I’m riding my Harley Davidson, I’m the happiest I can ever be.
That is great and that’s a shame about people, bashing trikes, I can certainly be there down the road. Glad you’re happy with what you have in your on the road.
Man I'm 28 years old. Im telling you right now. I don't care if you ride 2 or 3 wheels. I don't care what type of bike you ride or who made it. I respect your ride and the fact that you ride no matter what. Ride on bro.
My dad has a tri glide and it always turns heads when he puts it in reverse. I've seen him get nothing but good conversations and respect from people. Keep doing what you're doing!
Apologies Bo, This Is My 3rd Time Commenting On Your Vid... I Forgot To Mention That The Only Reason I Talk Smack About Goldwings Is Because My Friend (Wing Rider) Talks So Much Trash About HD's... I, Like You Become Defensive Of The Brand I Like.
Haters are going to hate Bob. I guess HD are a premium product with a premium price tag so there is always going to be huge expectations on them. Obviously all the bashing isn't doing that much harm to the brand and people are continually talking about them, good, bad and indifferent and that is publicity money can't buy. Great discussion point my friend. 👍😎
All type of advertising is good!
My wife put the keys next to my pillow and woke me up this is your bike !!!! Like Christmas.
She’s a keeper
Great video Bob. Kinda fits with my last video. You know I believe in HD because I choose to. I'm staying. ... Bob
And they are lucky to have you, sir
Most bashers just don't , won't or can't spend what it takes . I love my 2017 Road Glide. The History , The Sound , The Soul. IMHO , you just can't beat.
It’s a feeling you can explain to people, you just have to experience it for yourself
What sold me on the Harley was the Comfort on the Ultra limited tried the Indian and the newer gold wing and they just didn’t cut it for me and plus the wife had to be comfortable on the long rides as well and she loved Harleys comfort
I’ve actually never sat on a Goldwing, but have an Indian. At 6 foot three I felt a little cramped. My wife loves Harley’s as well.
Two biggest reason for me, looks and sound. I’m a Harley guy period. So many people are always comparing their motorcycle to Harley. Most Harley owners don’t compare theirs to other brands because we could care less.
Exactly!
Harleys stand supreme. All others pale in comparison so there is no care or thought of comparing with off brands. When you own a Harley you have it all. Look no further.
I’ve had Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, & Harley. All make great bikes! Love them all. But there’s just something about the way you feel while on the Harley. Not saying it’s better, just saying I feel better on it, 😎. Whatever you ride, just ride and don’t bash others for what they ride.
Right on! You win the best comment award
I’m 60 years old I Road them all my first road king last year 01 best bike ever
Nice and I love my 2000 RK
I always say, I didn't buy a Street Glide because I wanted a Harley, I bought a Harley because I wanted a Street Glide.
I also don't get the bashing of any brand... they all make good ones and bad ones, and who's to say what's good or not these days? They're almost all built to the same quality level any more. And especially the people who bash a brand to the face of an owner of that brand... just WHY? Spread some positivity, people!
Great video, btw :D
Amen brother, the negativity is a waste of time and energy and I normally do not hang around people like that. Your comment on you bought the bike and not Harley is really how I feel as well.
@@BoDean52 Great minds think alike! :D
I kinda slipped in the culture with the Pan America. I do not have a lot of Harley gear or tshirts. If my Pan America were to blow up there are other options out there. I would miss the HOG group. Great rides, trips, rallys. I really enjoy this group of people. All like minded people that just wanna ride. I've owned a lot of other brands and no other brand has this community. It may sound dumb, but that is probably what would keep me on an Harley.
Definitely a lot of good people in those groups and I was very close to pull the trigger on a pan America
Okay… I thought this video would bring out the haters. I am pleased that you didn’t get much of that. IMPRESSED.
It’s because of my charming smile 😊
I LOVE the culture, atmosphere, and community of owning a Harley-Davidson. NO OTHER BRAND of motorcycle or manufacturer comes close.
When are we getting our tattoos?
@@BoDean52 I'm getting my "BoDean52" logo tattoo next week! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣It'll be inside the bar and shield.
Say It Again 💯
I wanted a Harley all my life since I was a old enough to know what a Harley was. I think there is nothing like the sound, the look, and the torque of a big Harley twin. The reason I searched for why Harley bashing. I asked a guy at a convention this weekend what kind of bike he rode. He said a Goldwing and immediately started bashing Harley's. If you ask a Harley guy what kind of bike he rides he will say a Road King or a Street Glide etc. Harley owners don't seem to have a need to bash other bike brands. I've road a Goldwing but there is nothing like the feel of my Harley. I have an old 2001 Road King. I finally got my Harley. I love riding it. I own an auto repair shop. I put an external Alternator kit on my landlords Goldwing because the alternator is inside the engine and its a major amount of labor to replace it. My landlord said after the second time his alternator went out he decided to get the external automotive alternator kit for his Goldwing. There goes the Goldwing claim that they are maintenance free.
You are so right and I do not care what people ride but people do like to bash what many have never ridden. My Road King is a 2000, we have great bikes!
That's definitely normal here in social media platforms. There's always a brashers but don't bother just keep going.
Good point we’re living in a different world
It’s all about the sound! I am sans bike right now (long sad story) but I can’t wait to get another. We will be in the Kalamazoo area next year (wife’s 50th high school reunion) and I’d love to ride over to see you. This assumes I have another bike by then!
Hey, that sounds great, let me know when you have it locked down
I went to the HD 120th anniversary last month. As much as I love my Road Glide Ultra, and riding with my buddies, I was disappointed that at the concert venues they were not even flying an American flag. HD is an American company and it's customers are veterans. HD needs to acknowledge it's American roots and celebrate our country.
I did not know that that is wrong 🇺🇸
Thanks for responding! The flag issue itself was just an example of what our HOG group thought was a lack of honoring Harley's core constituency. Many in our group are veterans or first responders. We've also seen a lot of veterans at the HOG rallies we've attended as well. Our group seemed a little soured by Harley not doing more to recognize those groups at the 120th anniversary. We all still love to ride and have many thousands of miles riding each year. I don't see that changing. Harley is still a great company, it just needs to honor it's American heritage a little more.
An influential segment of the new generation of Harley owners and management don't hold traditional values. These new players want to forget Harley's history, which included patriotism, and reinvent the Harley brand. "In with the new... out with the old."
I think it’s because a lot of dealerships have left a sour taste on their customers and it’s trickled down on to the bikes. Harley’s a one of the most customizable bikes on the market. I also own a triumph speed twin for reliability purposes 😊
You may be onto something there I actually did a video that will be out tomorrow morning that talks about just what you said
I’ve owned several HDs. Started with a Sportster, had a Low Rider, Fat Bob and 2 Road Glides. I’m still a fan of the brand but my riding style requires more lean angle. I’ve since been on Triumph, BMW or Ducati.
I was actually going to buy a Road Glide Special in late ‘22 until I found out the dealer was throwing in markups. It kinda stuck with me that they didn’t call that out until asking multiple times for a detailed breakdown of the out the door price. I also considered a Pan Am but then there were pricing games or interest rate games depending on the dealer.
Got fed up and spent less money on a more advanced bike and bought a 2023 Multi. Had a great deal done in less than 24 hours. Honestly I’m a Ducati fanboy too. So in my case it was the dealership experience that drove me away.
Now that HD has announced the new CVO’s I may try again for another RG before that design and engine makes its way to the lower trims. I’ve since talked to friends and have some good contacts at HD dealers so I’ll probably try again.
Why? I’m an HD fanboy myself and think I’ve had my fill of fast bikes and extreme lean angles. I want another Hog and enjoy that riding experience that you get with them.
Enjoyed the vid.
Thanks and I appreciate that and I think there are a ton of really cool motorcycles out there that are not Harley Davidson‘s. What kind of got me to do this video was all the people that are bashing them but either do not have one or just constant complaining
I’ve seen people on TH-cam that own Harley’s and still bash them. Don’t see them selling their Harley at a discount hater price and running out to buy other brands. 🤔
Well said 😂
HD bikes today, have never been better. They used to be behind the curve, now they're ahead in many ways. There is a leftover legacy of very poor dealer service from the past. I understand if someone has been burned and never wants to touch them again. That imho, created the desire for an alternative, aka Indian. Great vid.
Appreciate that and I think some of that past is still around. Dealership networks sometimes causes opinions of people to be negative which is a shame.
Ride what ever makes you happy what ever it is.
Brilliant words
I bought my first Harley in 1989 after riding Japanese sports bikes since the ‘70’s. I wanted to slow down & got a Heritage. Loved it & stayed with HD since. Had BMW, Triumph, Suzuki as well during Harley ownership. Nothing matches the Harley riding experience.
Do you still have the Heritage, I was close to getting one a few years back
@@BoDean52 long gone, now have a 2019 Ultra & a 2022 Low Rider ST. Love them both but the ST is fantastic. Great channel!
As long as you are on two it doesn’t matter to each their own. I love all bikes I own a Honda Stateline 1300 and a 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan Nomad 1600 and they are paid for. But they are both cool in different ways.😎
Totally agree, Brett
I was 45 and wanted the best v twin. There was Indian and Harley and I chose Harley. Liked the look better and just came off a victory so virtually the same as an Indian. They're the same price but the Harley dealer in town did a lot more with promoting the brand. So I decided on the Harley and I am very happy. Just my story
I like your story and I’m glad you made the choice that works best for you. Both good motorcycles but I’m sure glad I ride a Harley.
I bought an 09 street glide in February 23. I was a piece of crap. The dealership bought it back. I list no money turned around and bought a 2018 ultra classic. Literally the best motorcycle I've ever owned. I sold my goldwing which I love but I found the harley more comfortable, less pressure on my knees. I'm sold on Harleys. Love the culture as well.
It’s nice to be a part of the family isn’t it Mark?
You know how I feel about the Goldwings!!
Ok, question. Do you find people are still bashing HD as much as they used to, say 10 years ago?
I’m not so sure Patrick, you may be right. Maturity maybe
@@BoDean52 I have noticed a big difference in how I’m treated by Harley riders. It wasn’t that long ago that I would get waves from Harley riders maybe 10% of the time, now it’s up to least 80%, probably more. I have a story to tell about an incident, too long to put here, but it seems like riders are much more accepting of other riders, no matter the bike, than just a few years ago. I sometimes wonder if that doesn’t have something to do with TH-cam….
I got my first HD 35 years ago, right around the time they got the license to print money. Next came the waiting lists, then the dealers' kiss-my-ass-you're-not-a-RUB-boomer vibe. I finally saved up and waited for a new FLH Ultra. Just 300 miles in, the electrical system left me stranded on the highway at night in the rain. By 2002, I was done.
What are you riding now?
Great talk! The brand everyone loves to hate. As long as the MC culture primarily rides HD then HD will remain King. I ride a Harley because it’s a Harley. Yep, I admit it. In the YT community I think people just like to have HD in the video title😂😂😂….excellent Tube Buddy scrore😂
When you’re the king people always taking shots at your right. Maybe some are fair, mostly people shouldn’t care. I read Harley’s just because I like the bikes. Appreciate you brother coming, ride safe
🛑🛑 Bob…First Off, I’m Hurt!
I wasn’t on the Texted with your“friends”?🤷♂️😂
I think Harley Bashing comes down to “ Haters Gotta Hate”!!💯
Some guys get upset by the price of Harleys, or the feel they weren’t made to feel “special” when dealing on a used or new Harley. 🤷♂️
It’s all up to individual on what bike they buy.
Personally after owning other bike brands, there is no other feeling of being part of a culture larger than the Harley Davidson Culture (call me stupid) but I had other bike brands….the feeling is not the same.
I agree with you subject matter.
Why do folk “bash” Harley….because they are an easy target and they are number 1. 💯
You were right when you are the best there’s a lot of people that shoot at you. I just don’t get why people waste the energy when it’s all about being out on the road riding.
@@BoDean52
Totally Agree!
It seems like fall is sneaking in on us.
I start getting depressed when riding season come to an end.
Hunting Season, then Snow Season. 😂👍
I bought my first harley after trying imported cruisers and ADV bikes.
first ride on a Fat Bob sold me on a Harley now I own 2
Lotta cool bikes out there, but I’m a Harley man as well
I like the brand. Same with cars. I stick with one brand. Something you didn't touch on is the aftermarket support for HD. You can get just about anything you desire out there. That being said I have owned many brands. I would never bash what someone else loves. Can't we all just get along.
That is so true Mark, so many options for the Harley motorcycle aftermarket parts
I bought a Harley....because I can!...in the big touring bikes they are all the same price!...like your self...Indian just dont have the look for me...I really like the fit and finish of the Harley!!...great video...stay safe...ride safe!!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
Thanks brother and like you, just a look and feel of the bike, regardless of all the other stuff
My first Harley is a 2021 Ultra and I love it. Before that I had a Victory CCT, Honda VTX 1300 and a Yamaha 850. Polaris left me with a poor opinion of the company after dropping Victory in favor of Indian. They have no concept of family or community. That is where Harley has everyone beat.
I’m sure happy to be in the Harley family
I bought my RK, because I've always liked the look of the bikes and most of my friends ride them. I bought mine used, with a lot of miles on it. I've had it serviced every year by a large HD used bike shop. It's a very busy shop. Over all they do a good job. It runs well, and I'm happy I bought this bike. I've had Hondas, Kawasakis, and Yamahas. All good bikes. Maybe some day I'll get another one of those, but for now im happy with what I have.
Sounds like you got a great lineup
I have the "BLUE MULE" 17 SG AND
A 95 HD BAD BOY.... AND THE BAD BOY IS ONE BAD ASS MACHINE ! They never finished building it so it has no miles on it.... It will be Completed this FRIDAY !!! Video coming
Oh, I can’t wait to see that
Every time a person ask you if you ride a bike, the next question will be “ do you have a Harley?” 😂
That is so true, they are branding kings
@@BoDean52 for sure 😁👍🏽
Always wanted one, and like "Legos" changed to your style.
Used ones are always good options
My bike for a 06 is the poster child for the brochure, but it's better .
I’m pretty fond of mine as well
I ride my Harley by myself 99% of the time. I am an owner and can say that for the money, the Indian or Honda would be a better bike. I still love my Harley, however. Love it!
Me too and with no apologies!
there full of envy!!!! 51 yrs. on HD idont want to jenks myself aways come home on its two wheels i also have other makes in the barn HAPPY TRAILS
That’s a Great Run with Harley Davidson
I'm too busy enjoying my bikes to worry about what someone else is riding. If someone has their mind on what kind of bike someone else is enjoying, it shows me that their bike probably isn't as good as they claim it is.
Well said!
Even though I grew up riding cheap bikes like the Japanese & some brit bikes & used to race them. It wasn't until I actually road a Harley. I realized than that all the BS people would say about the Harley was just BS. But the biggest feeling I had riding that Harley was that "it just feels right for me". I love all motorcycles - period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally with you Bob. I love all motorcycles, but there is a different feeling at least to me. It sounds like you when I’m on my Harley.
My 98 Heritage is all I ever wanted. I Love My Bike. I even named it Ole Red. I spent the night in jail because some joker thought he could just climb on it without asking. I got lucky because the Judge owned a Panhead and dropped all the charges. I still have that idiots front tooth as a souvenir. I work on it myself and I've customized it to look somewhat like a 50s FL. I keep it as clean as possible and I'm always confident it won't leave me stranded. I don't trailer Red, I ride it everywhere. I just finished a 4500 mile trip on it a couple days ago and spent two days on maintenence and cleaning afterwards. To me, Harley riders are your brothers and sisters. I've only had one incident in Daytona and that was worked out amongst the brotherhood and we shook hands afterwards...You're either in 100% or your out. Harleys ain't cheap but neither is Freedom...man up or go home is my motto. HD4Ever
AMEN to all of that and I am all in. Sitting on a mans bike is a problem and like response
I find the ones that accuse Harley riders of bashing other rides, are the ones doing the bashing. Mostly though, because they just don't know Harley.
For example, I had one (Yamaha) rider bashing Harley because they didn't have a variety of colors. Got on my phone and looked at the Yamaha website. For the Roadstar, they had 3 choices of colors. Now to the Harley website. For the Heritage, there were about 12 color choices.
1. I bought my 1st Harley for build quality. My Yamaha's wiring was bullet connectors. The Harley was automotive connectors.
2. Looks/Style
3. Dealer network
4. Nothing sounds like a Harley.
5. So many customization choices.
Maybe there’s some truth to that, but I definitely don’t bash Harley because I like them. At the end of the day doesn’t really matter what we ride. I definitely don’t run around talking about how much I dislike other brands though when I don’t have one. Never have had a Yamaha.
Most of the people complaining about Harley these days are complaining about the dealereships . The price gouging and the surcharges and the other shady practices that some go in for. I love my bike and have modified it to suit me but stock it came with suspension and a saddle that were not that good compared with the competition which for the price it should have.
You make a very good point. Fortunately, I have found one dealer that I really like but it took me a couple to find them. If the dealership network continues to not be good for customers, it will really cripple Harley.
I don’t have a Harley I have a Triumph. I looked at Harley first, took a test ride and talked cost. Harley, Indian and Triumph were all under the same dealership so I looked at Triumph and took a test ride. It fit me better and was easier to manage moving around. But the deciding factor was the Triumph cost just over half of what the Harley cost.
I still watch you and many other Harley owners videos and if I find a good deal on a good used Harley I might still own one. It would be one like Duchess.
I definitely appreciate that and totally agree you got to get the bike that’s right for you at the right price. That’s why I do suggest to people that want to get a Harley. They get something huge like my road king.
Let me start by saying people should ride what is right for them and not because of what other people say. I know the metric bike sean very well and I rode those bikes for around fourty years before I bought my first Harley. I own a collection of bikes from harleys to metric bikes today. I find them all enjoyable and can say other than the way they make you feel in your soul, they have never given me any trouble. For me there is something special about the riding experience that a Harley Davidson motorcycle gives me that no other brand has. I do think they look cool and that Harley sound is a game changer. The other bikes I have I love for other reasons. My favorite big four bike that I absolutely love is my 2007 Yamaha FJR 1300. What a fun ride. 🏍️
I totally agree with you, right what is right for you and what you like. To me, though, just go ride and don’t spend your time bashing others.
Ride on
I started with my Dads Harley then I owned three Goldwings over the years. When I went back to Harley it was like an old friend. I also found the Harley handles better the the Goldwings.
It does seem like a lot of people go back-and-forth. I have seen many friends go to a Goldwing and never come back.
I’ll ride a Harley till the day I’m pushing up daisies. 😎👍
Me too!
People love their Harleys, what they don't like is unscrupulous dealers and service departments!
It’s a great points are actually put out a video talking about that today
Man you are asking for trouble but you are right there will be hater’s 😢
I’m going to be more of a troublemaker as I get older Rodney 😂
So, yes, I’m a Harley fan boy. For all those reasons you mentioned. But mostly, I love how it feels when I ride. And, in the end, it’s about the ride. I started with a Suzuki Intruder cruiser. Great first bike for the first year. But have been on Harleys for the last 25. No other bike for me. Read Willie G’s new memoir. Then you’ll understand.
Oh, I need to read that and I’m in the club with you there, my friend
Oh maaann… I was just going to put together a Harley vs. Indian video. Now I have to come up with another idea. 😊
No way Rickie I would love to see your opinion being an Indian owner
I’d have to say the folks talking the most trash on Harleys is Harley owners. I’ve only owned one brand of motorcycle and I bought that brand because it is what I wanted. Could I of bought another brand? Of course, but I didn’t. Am I a brand loyalist? All the aftermarket stuff on my bike is non Harley. Um. Do I own Kawasaki tee shirts? No. Not many Harley ones either. It’s all fun. I love to hear it. Old saying, a bitching Marine is a happy Marine. Probably holds true for Harley owners.
Agree on the bitching marine comment. If the people that are Trashing Harley are Harley owners, they certainly are none I talk to. I think as Harley owners we talk about things we wish would get better, but never in my mind bitch about the brand because if I did, I would get another bike.
I was weighing culture vs bike when looking around for a new bike and in the end, the Goldwing won out.
They are great bikes I know a lot of people that converted over to those
BoDean you better wave at all bikers lol peace ✌️
Of course Jaman!
It's the heritage and the lifestyle. Either you get it or you don't. Part of the reason they're so easy to bash is because their quality control is so horrifically piss poor. I own a 22 low rider st and the amount of from factory failures of various types is beyond atrocious and that's just one single model. Expand that over their entire lineup and it must me truly staggering. Add the fact they're beyond the curve in technology compared to other makers, that doesn't help either.
You make a lot of good points, and they definitely need to get better in many areas. That said, I still love the motorcycles.
I have been ridding HD's for over 20 years and I feel the need to explain why I ride one.
Neither should the ridder of another brand.
Ridding a motorcycle should be fun.
It doesn't matter what you ride, just ride the damn thing and enjoy.
And old saying " There's a seat for every ass and an ass for every seat."
So well said, it’s about the ride
I approve this message (video)!
See, that’s why I like you, Monica 😂
A bit off the subject, but how did you get your boom gts to display just the logo & time?
No problems that is what is on the boom when it is off
I bought mine because I always wanted a Hog and I think it's cool and only a Harley makes that sound that I like
Nothing like the rumble of a good old Harley
Harley really needs to think about putting reverse on their touring bikes that weighs over 800 lbs. As riders get older, they, like myself, will trade their touring bikes in for a softail's. One reason is, they don't do any long touring anymore and the weight of the bikes. Reverse would be great for backing them up, which would be a lot easier to live with. If I have to go to a trike, I would rather quit riding. I'd buy a nice little convertible sports car. 69 now and plan to ride for the rest of my life. I was riding on a Harley when I was in diapers.
Great comments and I totally agree with that. I can see in another 10 or so years that my road glide limited may become too heavy. While I think I would go to a three wheel bike, I am like you and may trade them all in and get a sports car.
If I were to buy a Harley Davidson, it would be for simple reason that it performs the way I want it to perform. I don’t care one bit about the cool factor (obviously!!😂😂). Price comes into play if the bikes are so similar that price is the final decision….
Well, you don’t need a cool bike because you’re a cool dude
@@BoDean52 😂😂 that’s not something I hear very often, thank you so much!!
To each his own, we cant all own Chevrolet's or Honda Goldwings, I cannot own a Harley I can't afford the t-shirts. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well for what it’s worth, I’ve gotten to the point that I may have two Harley shirts one because they’re expensive and the other is the quality really is not good
In a nutshell I bought my Harley Davidson Fatboy because I like it , it fits my personality
That is exactly my point Scott, I just love the bikes
2022 Road Glide Special Here... Nothing Like A Hog Bo.. They Can Hate All They Want ... The Hog, Hogs Attention.. That's Another Reason They're Mad😆
Proud to own Harleys
A co worker who is a road captain has a dyna, or some kind of dresser, still owes 7 grand on it. Motor developed a rattle @ 100,000 miles, they replaced it for him because of who he is. One of my bikes has almost 100K and is as good as the Swiss watch I wear. HD = a modern 57 Bellaire
Nice of them!
I'm not so sure there is a lot of Harley Davidson brand bashing. I think it is more Owner/Rider bashing. I started my riding career on dirt bikes, then on to crotch rockets when younger and dumber (in my case anyway) of course. Then my dad offered me his 2006 Honda VTX 1300r and for me to give up my Yamaha R1. Rode the VTX for a number of years and just recently bought a 2017 Ultra Limited with 36,000 miles on it. I fell in love with the comfort (it has an upgraded seat) and power. When I said Owner/Rider bashing, I witnessed it all those years on other versions or brands from the HD group. It's like they were "better" folk than those of us that weren't riding HD. Not saying it was all HD riders, but it was the majority I witnessed. For me its about the ride not the brand, not everyone can or wants to spend the amount needed to get into the "club". I'd like to see all riders get along and enjoy the ride. Please don't the the HD snob out there on the road and "wave" to everyone and don't talk down to someone that hasn't yet acquired the "status symbol" you see HD for. Enjoy the ride on whatever you have to ride today & be safe out there boys and girls!
Hmm. Well, for me I wanted something with more power and speed out of the box. Along with more lean angle. However, I can’t bash HD because of its lean angle. It’s not that kind of bike. However, I feel they shouldn’t limit the motorcycles performance the way they do. It’s not because of emissions either. Since they can produce the CVO and add ons to make it snappier. I think they need to stop and look at their power plant. The air cooled engine is not as forgiving when it comes to adding horse power. At least not without burning ya! Lol. They do have a great iconic look. They are a true representation of what a motorcycle should look like. But, they need to change how they go after nickel and diming their customers so they can get their motorcycle to peak performance, without having to spend 50k on a CVO or thousands on a stage kit. Good bike? Yeah. Perfect? No. But their really isn’t a perfect bike. Pick what you want, ride it, enjoy it. Take what others say with a grain of salt. And if you are like me, look to piss off everyone. Just to get a rise! Lol. Enjoy!!
All good points, especially the rise to piss people off 😂
I agree with you about the style, sound, dealer support and the culture! However, I rode my 2012 Ultra 750 miles yesterday from Peoria, IL to Lansing, MI and the front shifter lever failed [common issue] and my stock suspension bottomed out in a spine crushing impact multiple times. Do I need to invest 3k in a better seat and suspension or should I look at BMW, Kawasaki, Indian, Etc. This Harley is beautiful but it sure has been a money pit...
Hard to disagree with that, that stinks
@BoDean52 No words of wwisdom? Just bite the bullet and buy the suspension as you will lose that much and more and lose all the customization on your Ultra? I have true duals, Stage 2 and custom rims.... or go buy X, as they are known to have the best stock suspension...
Sorry I didn’t see your question in your comment. My legends suspension and Mustang seat are incredible but I have a newer bike. They are game changers for sure and if you like the bike, I may go that way. You have some pretty cool stuff on your bike now!
@BoDean52 Going to get legend suspension. I have this Harley set up, and getting another to this point will be way more $ than a new suspension.
Three wheel options are limited unless it is a Harley.
Glad to see, you ladies are still loving yours
I purchase Harley-Davidson motorcycles because they are premium machines, and have the look, feel, style, tech & engineering which appeals to me. Currently I own an anniversary issue (2003) Heritage Springer Softail, and a modern anniversary issue (2023) Pan America Special. They are night & day different from each other, but they are both premium bikes with great tech, engineering, styling, look & feel.
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Love it Mark and I will tell you if I did not buy my road king I would’ve gotten a Heritage. I was also close to getting a pan America, how do you like it?
@@BoDean52 , the Road King and the Heritage are very close in most respects... the Road King typically does not have the Springer fork like my Heritage, though.
I absolutely love the Pan America. Its a little bit street fighter, little bit cafe racer, little bit sport cruiser, little bit touring, little bit off-road... this bike does it all, has great tech, and on top of everything else, is comfortable (adaptive ride height, and dynamic customizable suspension).
RA1250S !
marcus
When I bought my first Harley, I bought it as it was the only American motorcycle being made at the time. The Gilroy Indian had come and gone. I could have bought any brand of bike, but I wanted an American motorcycle, so HD it was! I'm still on a HD. Would I consider a Polaris Indian, maybe someday but I do like my HD!
Totally get that and I really don’t care about somebody having a different type of bike other than a Harley. I just would tell them to ride. Enjoy your bike and just stop talking about something you don’t even care about or own
@@BoDean52 I agree!
I have 2 Harleys and a Suzuki
2 Harley’s and a Kawasaki here
I love my lil 103 Freewheeler let's ride..
That’s awesome I’m starting to see more of those
No matter what bike I've owned over the years, there has always been naysayers. Those naysayers have never owned those bikes or brands, yet they feel entitled to express nonsensical points just to feed their ego. There is an easy fix for it, which only costs a few dollars ... a set of earplugs! They can say whatever they like, call me all the names under the sun because I won't respond and all I can do is remain silent & smile back at them. I'm glad I'm not like those guys.
Amen and I always say, never be concerned about someones opinion that you wouldn't ask them for. Ride safe!
Everyone that owns any model of motorcycle will complain about something about the brand you bought. You should have seen the blood bath Honda took when the new Goldwing model came out in 2018. Wow you would have thought the apocalypse happened. Get the bike that fits what you want and can afford. My own HD experience has not been the best as you know.
I didn’t know that back years ago about the Goldwing. I know a ton of people end up buying them after just taking one ride for sure. I’m hoping that one experience doesn’t poison you on the brand.
Ive had honda, kawasaki, yamaha and now HD. Kawasaki is the only one that left me stranded twice...
It all comes down to respect. Some people are either assholes or getting high on copium.
My cousin wants a harley so bad but wont admit it to anyone but his dad. (Daddy pays for everything...my cousin is 39...) so im dealing with a man child who HAS to talk shit about HD to cope for not having one. I find most haters are just coping for not having one. Its one thing if you had bad experiences with HD like i did with kawasaki. But its another if youve never owned one and just follow herd like sheep hating on HD. But hey like the old saying goes...misery loves company.
Exactly my point!
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Merica!!!😂😊
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Harley Davidson makes great bikes .
Their dealerships are terrible at best and are the reason I will never buy another Harley Davidson.
Totally agree on the bikes and fortunately I found a great dealership, but it took me two or three to get to this one
When I started riding in the early 80s AMF own Harley Davison. They were complete junk. They shook really bad. They leaked oil everywhere. My old boss was a big Harley guy and said 10 years same bikes. At that time I owned a Honda 450 nighthawk. My reply was, do you think that things gonna last 10 years? He couldn’t keep it out of the shop. The dealer is getting rich. Things have changed. When the workers bought it back, they made a bike worth having. Over priced maybe. Cost of ownership really high definitely. Especially compared to mine Honda Rebel 1100 or my Kawasaki voyager. Both are 2022. $150 or less at the dealer for service. One of these days I’ll probably buy a Harley breakout. I love the bike. If I was to find a dealer close that had one a would probably be divorced. It is a sexy machine!
Divorcing for a motorcycle could be risky 😂. I find a lot of people talking about Harley‘s leaking oil and I wonder if that’s current time or in the past because I’ve had four or five for the last eight years and never had a problem.
Amen on cost of ownership
i think you should pull your motor and put the goldwing motor in with indian fenders 😂😂😂 represent em all
Harley ? eh i personally don't care
some cool bikes are made by all
i just ride em
You are brilliant
The Sportster was a good bike and the Evo big twin.The Flathead 45 was good .Other than that they are junk.High priced junk.
Wasn’t around for the Flathead but hear great things about it. I guess at the end of the day it’s what you like and what you want to pay for it.
After looking at HD's in this last buying session, I'm more convinced than ever that I will likely never buy an HD. I simply can not pay more for something I'm going to get less of. End of story.
and you forgot to mention the poker chips that have to be purchased 😐
I just buy them for the poker chips and shirts
@@BoDean52 I got poker chips for free at O.W.N. 😛
For a late model year "touring" Harley I was looking at $3-5k more than a comparable Goldwing. The worst part is, I was looking at having drop many $1000's more after the sale to get the Harleys "set-up". The Harleys and Indians do have the looks and a coolness factor. But at my age, I just don't care that much, I'd rather get more bike for my money. Plus... there's that "holy shit! this is good" thing once you ride a new gen. Wing 😎
It seems that most of the bashing has to do with Harleys prices. I suspect that most of the people who bash Harley, probably don't own Harleys.
Yup
So I loath Harley. I bought an ST because nobody else offers what I wanted other than an 80’s honda with bags and fixed faring, I don’t want a radio or full size bags.
How are you liking the ST?
@@BoDean52 it’s a fun bike. It offers exactly what I wanted.
I just purchased an 2023 Indian Pursuit Premium Package for 34k. The same features on a HD would have cost me well over $50+. I think that HD are taking full advantage of their customers. I refuse to be taken advantage of.
That’s a big price difference for sure and understand why you did what you did. Hope you enjoy that bike.
Sometimes you gotta tell the Salesman...ok Fitment Specialist that there are over 600 Harley Dealers I can buy from but I am giving you the 1st opportunity to earn my business, don't EFF it up!
😂 you miss sensitivity class I see…..kidding
No, I got kicked out! lol@@BoDean52
I’ll tell you my take on it, it gets views on TH-cam
Well, that may be so, but that again is not a reason that I would buy a Harley 😂