Budget is based on how much the artist brings in. Yes LM sell full albums straight sales and it helps. But LM also CONSISTENTLY give amazing live performances. Even when production is crap they still give it their all with high energy, vocals and choreo on point. You can feel their connection to each other and the music so it’s all believable. That’s why their ticket sales are through the roof and sell out large venues. People pay for a guaranteed good show. They bring in cash so they have a bigger budget. 5H have had to downsize and cancel shows for their tours even after Work from home and that’s my girl did well. They are not consistent live so their ticket sales really suffer. Two girls are vocally consistent and two are choreographically consistent. They haven’t mastered being cohesive vocally and visually so it looks like they are competing against each other. They should be trying to make each other look good, not trying to outshine one another. It’s been five years so they should try and do something different. Really their ballads are amazing and that is where all four girls shine. They should stand in one spot and just sing bc they kill it.
@KLussion, I agree with you on some points, like they should do more ballads. However, 7/27 and Reflection went platinum in 2017, which is at least 1M in sales each in the States. Down is certified gold. So where's 5H's money for promotion and production? Their 7/27 tour had the same production as their PSA tour despite album sales. You have to spend money to make money that's why marketing for movies costs almost as much as making the movie. Epic has never put money into 5H's production b/c they don't care as long as 5H is still making the label money. Thank goodness LM is not under Epic; LM would have to share one dancer and two strobe lights. After Camila left the public found out they canceled tour dates b/c of problems within the group not b/c of sales. The ticket sales reason was a rumor spread by Hollyscoop. ST re-entered the iTunes pop chart after Camila kept mentioning 5H in her 50 interviews for her album release. Some people just learned 5H released an album that shows how little promotion they had.
Paris Texas I hear ya.. both groups are ultimately owned by syco and neither get promotion. Psa and 727 had venue changes to smaller capacity and show cancellations without rescheduling, if it wasn’t legitimately about sales those shows would have been rescheduled. 5h need to at least sell out the USA leg of their tours and be consistent live, up the energy, vocals etc. Then if they sell well at least USA will get better production. The girls need to practice and make it seem like they care about their live performances. (All 4 girls, not just two) Hoping their next album they have more control... not just with their music bc this last album they had more control writing and coming up with concepts, but in their performances; routines, wardrobe etc.
I hope they have more control as well. I really hope Republic buys out their contract. I'm referring to Epic when I speak of the label. Epic is the primary record label outside of the UK. Syco may suck at promotion but at least the gave LM a good team. LM has had dancers and better production since the DNA tour. It was their first headline tour; the venues weren't the biggest but the production was still better than anything 5H has had (even after 5H sold 12.5 million singles via streaming). At least Syco knew to start them on the right foot. Again you have to spend money to make money, especially in the entertainment industry. Presentation is very important. Only hardcore fans are going to pay to see 5H in concert. The production they need to attract the GP and casual fans is closer to what 5H does for awards shows. If they did half as much it would be good. If 5H were to sellout venues with what they have now Epic wouldn't give them more money b/c they don't care about 5H. Epic is happy if they don't have to spend money on 5H but still make money. I'm not saying that 5H does not need to improve with their live performances because they do. I just know a lot the things they need to improve Epic isn't going to give them. 5H, a multi-platinum awarding winning girl group Epic doesn't promote and keeps 5H's budgets low for videos and tours. I was referring to the dates that were canceled and not rescheduled happened the month before Camila left. Australian dates were canceled for the PSA tour in 2017, but Australian dates were added for the PSA tour in 2018. I am not surprised venues are smaller for PSA b/c they lost a chunk of their fandom and they aren't promoted. If the venues are small and the production and entertainment values are high they'd sell more tickets once videos from those concerts spread. We can agree to disagree though, it's all good.
I think they have two albums left. I heard that their EP does not count as an album and their contract was for 5. Maybe Republic will pick them for the last two. I really hope so. They've never had a record company that supported OT4. I think them staying together depends on how big they become. Kinda like DC. They waited until they were established as a group and everyone knew DC before releasing soul albums. Technically they never broke up. Beyonce even did another album with DC after her hit solo album. 5H genuinely care for each other so they may do the same. Plus, they own the 5H name. Do you think they'll stay together? Solo stans have been really loud since Camila left it's like they want 5H to break up.
tinybeka There is only so much they can do with what they are given. Their label doesn't want to budget for better production. I agree choreo could be better though
They need better production and choreography, somebody needs to work on laziness and keeping up and looking flawless while doing choreo etc. It's the little things that are noticed and if your real harmonizer you would know. Everybody knows that the album was rushed and that they are being treated unfairly by the label for the simple fact that they have camila. She had been working on her album for 2 years and being treated differently while the girls where looked down upon. As soon as she became solo she was getting on shows performing etc. The label only cares for camila when she became solo 5h were put on the back burner only being given a chance to see if they were gonna fail.
10:22 that’s when Lauren was talking to ally about the label was treating them like slaves and that they were working every day but they don’t get any money
They need to call Frank Gatson! It just looks messy. They’ve been at it too long to not be killing all performances, and I like them! They have so much “Potential”! Lol!
Because they’re fans aren’t buying there music, selling out concerts, so in their contract they probably don’t have the money to have more productions and effects.
Melinda T they not selling bc the label not pushing nor advertising them. You see how they put Camila everywea but they push 5H album out and only gave it a 2 month span
WiseGuyTre’ Harmonizer I’m sorry but I don’t believe that there are so many other Artists on the label that is getting the same amount of advertising. Camila probably has something different in her contract, trust me they probably didn’t read their contract and that comes from the manager not the label, the label isn’t your manager! For example look at Cardi B, I don’t see her on GMA or the Today Show or overseas on the James Corden show, but her music last on the charts bcuz FANS ARE BUYING HER MUSIC!!! THATS HOW ALBUMS AND SINGLES STAY ON THE CHARTS, PEOPLE ARE BUYING THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Melinda T James Corden is in LA for one . And for 2 I’m sure their managers are reading their contract but it’s up to your label to push the artist out and advertise them. They suppose to give them the production that they need. And Cardi b gets a lot of advertisement wym?! Cardi b advertisement is there more than anybody bc that’s the most popular artist at the moment. Like when 5H first came out they had commercials and things which made worth it big as it was . Now they see the money in Camila so they’re putting the girls on the back burner and not trying to put them out there
WiseGuyTre’ Harmonizer Well 5H was never the most popular artist at any moment in their career with and without Camila they just weren’t I’m going keep it real with you. All I’m saying is stop blaming the label for the girls unsuccessful album sales and concert tickets and every thought about the fact that people already seen them in concert and don’t wanna go back bcuz they’re just not good performers. As a group 5H isn’t it, when they do their solo stuff their a BOP! But as for now I think 5H needs to sit down and think about the future bcuz it’s not looking to bright!!
Melinda T I disagree that’s not keeping it real that’s your opinion. You say that but obviously you don’t know their stats. Whether black ppl listened to them or not they are popular. 2 videos past a billion views. Many many awards, performs on many tv shows, etc. the label is to blame without a label how often is it that artist really make it big ?! Oh ok check facts before you come for me bc Ik a lot about music and the music industry
Lol why I was just looking at y'all old videos when y'all reacted to fifth at the Jimmy show and then y'all just pop up wit a new video... y'all knew I was missing y'all lol
You guys are so right. if I see that set of stairs or whatever it is behind one more time.... Big mixer but I do love 5H and their performances have no money behind them and if they had a little mix stage and dancers they would have to move their asses more and that would be a good thing. Remember though if you are looking for money the last 5H album sold 45,000 units and LM's Glory Days sold 1.6 Million. Much more for performance expenses if would guess.
Exactly ima just say this I love fifth but their label is holding them back from their full potential I do feel they favor camila over them ...no shade to camila she's great but I want people to recognize their talent and their label and doing them right... like their song lonely night was a hit so why didn't they make it a single as well as their song don't say you love me was way better than down.. but I totally agree wit y'all it's not their fault... they don't have the right team behind them I think they should finish out their deal wit epic and move on to a better label who's going to give them that bomb production and get paid well...
Great idea but stick with the official video from x factor even though the camera work was crap with lots of shots from 200 feet away. Not sure who thought we wanted to watch 4 divas from the back of the venue.
they need choreography that is simple, yet effective. It should be made more easier, to showcase their amazing voices & to help them look more in sync. I definitely think its automatically harder for them all to look in sync together because they're all different heights, especially Ally.
Sad, because I thought I was the only one who felt like Little Mix is treated better when it comes to live performances and tours. This has been going on long before Camila left. They're music is great! So why can't they receive the same treatment LM. I remember wondering like "Why the hell don't they have great production?" "Their wardrobe could be a lot better" "Their single WFH was certified platnium at the time, so why are they still wearing cheap clothing with a crappy production crew?" Makes me so mad! Hopefully the girls are able to move on to a different record label where they are very much appreciated.
Yeah something shady is definitely happening behind the scenes like fifth harmony’s team doesn’t care about them progressing such as vocals, dancing, and breath control goes, doesnt let them explore different things, proving the bum ass haters wrong, like the girls are definitely talented but they need better vocal coaches who actually knows wtf their doing and more rehearsals for choreography but at the same time the girls got to put in work to better them selfs with all the things I just listed.
Prentice Jz'Hnaye syco helps with the performance like stage stuff and they sell the albums (no offense) so they pay for dancers and choreography along with tour outfit changes.
Totally agree with you guys - 5h labels sucks and that’s the main reason why they aren’t being represented right . Please react to Camila album please !! 😩❤️🙌🏽🙃
They need more songs like can you see cuz whoever worked on them with that was genius in getting the girls vocals together for that and sound. And its sad that it takes a movie soundtrack song for the girls to actually do well promotion wise as well as vocals. Epic really don't give the girls a break like that and they rush everything. I'm over it tbh..😡😞
They might need more production, but they also need to put more efforty into their performances as a group. They usually look lazy or kind of sloppy. And little mix has a larger budget simply because they are bringing more money in.
Stop saying it’s the label, it’s not the label. It’s them and the fans, all the fans do is vote online, talk shit online, but they don’t buy the music, buy merchandise, and go to the concerts!! And the girls don’t try, they’re very lazy!!! They don’t have the passion!
I dont think any of them will stay in epic longer even camila with the solo ventures it allows other record labels to pay attention to them when they go solo and camila has republic and big machine that would love to sign her and want her so epic gonna lose 5 outta 5 of fifth harmony soon lol.
The epic is really trash they don't care about 5H. I have 100% of sure the girls don't have no control over the production of the stage and this things but also do you have to think about the Little Mix tour is only in a country and 5H is around the world it make more difficult for them to have a BIG performance in every single show. I love the reaction guys 💕 (sorry for my bad English, it's not my first language ☺️)
Budget is based on how much the artist brings in. Yes LM sell full albums straight sales and it helps. But LM also CONSISTENTLY give amazing live performances. Even when production is crap they still give it their all with high energy, vocals and choreo on point. You can feel their connection to each other and the music so it’s all believable. That’s why their ticket sales are through the roof and sell out large venues. People pay for a guaranteed good show. They bring in cash so they have a bigger budget.
5H have had to downsize and cancel shows for their tours even after Work from home and that’s my girl did well. They are not consistent live so their ticket sales really suffer. Two girls are vocally consistent and two are choreographically consistent. They haven’t mastered being cohesive vocally and visually so it looks like they are competing against each other. They should be trying to make each other look good, not trying to outshine one another. It’s been five years so they should try and do something different. Really their ballads are amazing and that is where all four girls shine. They should stand in one spot and just sing bc they kill it.
@KLussion, I agree with you on some points, like they should do more ballads. However, 7/27 and Reflection went platinum in 2017, which is at least 1M in sales each in the States. Down is certified gold. So where's 5H's money for promotion and production? Their 7/27 tour had the same production as their PSA tour despite album sales. You have to spend money to make money that's why marketing for movies costs almost as much as making the movie. Epic has never put money into 5H's production b/c they don't care as long as 5H is still making the label money. Thank goodness LM is not under Epic; LM would have to share one dancer and two strobe lights.
After Camila left the public found out they canceled tour dates b/c of problems within the group not b/c of sales. The ticket sales reason was a rumor spread by Hollyscoop. ST re-entered the iTunes pop chart after Camila kept mentioning 5H in her 50 interviews for her album release. Some people just learned 5H released an album that shows how little promotion they had.
Paris Texas I hear ya.. both groups are ultimately owned by syco and neither get promotion. Psa and 727 had venue changes to smaller capacity and show cancellations without rescheduling, if it wasn’t legitimately about sales those shows would have been rescheduled. 5h need to at least sell out the USA leg of their tours and be consistent live, up the energy, vocals etc. Then if they sell well at least USA will get better production. The girls need to practice and make it seem like they care about their live performances. (All 4 girls, not just two)
Hoping their next album they have more control... not just with their music bc this last album they had more control writing and coming up with concepts, but in their performances; routines, wardrobe etc.
I hope they have more control as well. I really hope Republic buys out their contract. I'm referring to Epic when I speak of the label. Epic is the primary record label outside of the UK. Syco may suck at promotion but at least the gave LM a good team. LM has had dancers and better production since the DNA tour. It was their first headline tour; the venues weren't the biggest but the production was still better than anything 5H has had (even after 5H sold 12.5 million singles via streaming). At least Syco knew to start them on the right foot. Again you have to spend money to make money, especially in the entertainment industry. Presentation is very important. Only hardcore fans are going to pay to see 5H in concert. The production they need to attract the GP and casual fans is closer to what 5H does for awards shows. If they did half as much it would be good. If 5H were to sellout venues with what they have now Epic wouldn't give them more money b/c they don't care about 5H. Epic is happy if they don't have to spend money on 5H but still make money. I'm not saying that 5H does not need to improve with their live performances because they do. I just know a lot the things they need to improve Epic isn't going to give them. 5H, a multi-platinum awarding winning girl group Epic doesn't promote and keeps 5H's budgets low for videos and tours.
I was referring to the dates that were canceled and not rescheduled happened the month before Camila left. Australian dates were canceled for the PSA tour in 2017, but Australian dates were added for the PSA tour in 2018. I am not surprised venues are smaller for PSA b/c they lost a chunk of their fandom and they aren't promoted. If the venues are small and the production and entertainment values are high they'd sell more tickets once videos from those concerts spread.
We can agree to disagree though, it's all good.
Paris Texas hopefully one more album and they’re free. Do you think they’ll stay together after?
I think they have two albums left. I heard that their EP does not count as an album and their contract was for 5. Maybe Republic will pick them for the last two. I really hope so. They've never had a record company that supported OT4. I think them staying together depends on how big they become. Kinda like DC. They waited until they were established as a group and everyone knew DC before releasing soul albums. Technically they never broke up. Beyonce even did another album with DC after her hit solo album. 5H genuinely care for each other so they may do the same. Plus, they own the 5H name. Do you think they'll stay together? Solo stans have been really loud since Camila left it's like they want 5H to break up.
they need more stage production, better choreography and songs that really showcase their vocals. Also, less predictable performances
tinybeka jordan fisher is a star
Amen, amen and amen again. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
tinybeka There is only so much they can do with what they are given. Their label doesn't want to budget for better production. I agree choreo could be better though
Chelsea Bybee very true!
Fr tho but they only have back up dancers for big award shows like the pcas, vmas, mmvas,
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YEAH WAS DOPE
They need better production and choreography, somebody needs to work on laziness and keeping up and looking flawless while doing choreo etc. It's the little things that are noticed and if your real harmonizer you would know. Everybody knows that the album was rushed and that they are being treated unfairly by the label for the simple fact that they have camila. She had been working on her album for 2 years and being treated differently while the girls where looked down upon. As soon as she became solo she was getting on shows performing etc. The label only cares for camila when she became solo 5h were put on the back burner only being given a chance to see if they were gonna fail.
10:22 that’s when Lauren was talking to ally about the label was treating them like slaves and that they were working every day but they don’t get any money
Y'all need to do more 5h talks!!!!
Julia Nduka #PotentialTalk2018 Coming Soon!!!
They need to call Frank Gatson! It just looks messy. They’ve been at it too long to not be killing all performances, and I like them! They have so much “Potential”! Lol!
Justin Norris Frank needs to keep his attention on June’s Diary lol
I completely agree with you kace and mike they need more stage production
Y’all are so right!!! Facts thrown from everywhere. Hopefully, they will find what they need in a record label.
Epic is trash they need a new labels
5:10 #FuckEpic
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r y’all gonna do camilas album?
Because they’re fans aren’t buying there music, selling out concerts, so in their contract they probably don’t have the money to have more productions and effects.
Melinda T they not selling bc the label not pushing nor advertising them. You see how they put Camila everywea but they push 5H album out and only gave it a 2 month span
WiseGuyTre’ Harmonizer I’m sorry but I don’t believe that there are so many other Artists on the label that is getting the same amount of advertising. Camila probably has something different in her contract, trust me they probably didn’t read their contract and that comes from the manager not the label, the label isn’t your manager! For example look at Cardi B, I don’t see her on GMA or the Today Show or overseas on the James Corden show, but her music last on the charts bcuz FANS ARE BUYING HER MUSIC!!! THATS HOW ALBUMS AND SINGLES STAY ON THE CHARTS, PEOPLE ARE BUYING THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Melinda T James Corden is in LA for one . And for 2 I’m sure their managers are reading their contract but it’s up to your label to push the artist out and advertise them. They suppose to give them the production that they need. And Cardi b gets a lot of advertisement wym?! Cardi b advertisement is there more than anybody bc that’s the most popular artist at the moment. Like when 5H first came out they had commercials and things which made worth it big as it was . Now they see the money in Camila so they’re putting the girls on the back burner and not trying to put them out there
WiseGuyTre’ Harmonizer Well 5H was never the most popular artist at any moment in their career with and without Camila they just weren’t I’m going keep it real with you. All I’m saying is stop blaming the label for the girls unsuccessful album sales and concert tickets and every thought about the fact that people already seen them in concert and don’t wanna go back bcuz they’re just not good performers. As a group 5H isn’t it, when they do their solo stuff their a BOP! But as for now I think 5H needs to sit down and think about the future bcuz it’s not looking to bright!!
Melinda T I disagree that’s not keeping it real that’s your opinion. You say that but obviously you don’t know their stats. Whether black ppl listened to them or not they are popular. 2 videos past a billion views. Many many awards, performs on many tv shows, etc. the label is to blame without a label how often is it that artist really make it big ?! Oh ok check facts before you come for me bc Ik a lot about music and the music industry
Lol why I was just looking at y'all old videos when y'all reacted to fifth at the Jimmy show and then y'all just pop up wit a new video... y'all knew I was missing y'all lol
Yes Kace in the natural piece! 😩😍 Now if Mike could lose the hat for the new year!
You’re wrong for that Lauren reference 😂😂
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I havent seen yall in a whileeee but we back!
You guys are so right. if I see that set of stairs or whatever it is behind one more time.... Big mixer but I do love 5H and their performances have no money behind them and if they had a little mix stage and dancers they would have to move their asses more and that would be a good thing. Remember though if you are looking for money the last 5H album sold 45,000 units and LM's Glory Days sold 1.6 Million. Much more for performance expenses if would guess.
Mike You Dead Wrong For That Imitation😂😂😂😂
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Exactly ima just say this I love fifth but their label is holding them back from their full potential I do feel they favor camila over them ...no shade to camila she's great but I want people to recognize their talent and their label and doing them right... like their song lonely night was a hit so why didn't they make it a single as well as their song don't say you love me was way better than down.. but I totally agree wit y'all it's not their fault... they don't have the right team behind them I think they should finish out their deal wit epic and move on to a better label who's going to give them that bomb production and get paid well...
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Great idea but stick with the official video from x factor even though the camera work was crap with lots of shots from 200 feet away. Not sure who thought we wanted to watch 4 divas from the back of the venue.
It's on Twitter
they need choreography that is simple, yet effective. It should be made more easier, to showcase their amazing voices & to help them look more in sync. I definitely think its automatically harder for them all to look in sync together because they're all different heights, especially Ally.
Can y’all react to “Kierra Sheard and Karen Clark Sheard go head to head”? Pleaseeee. Full of vocals. You’ll love it
React to Camila album it just came out it when #1 in 100 countries 🔥
Yessssss and tell Kayce we got a problem 🙄💖
Sad, because I thought I was the only one who felt like Little Mix is treated better when it comes to live performances and tours. This has been going on long before Camila left. They're music is great! So why can't they receive the same treatment LM. I remember wondering like "Why the hell don't they have great production?" "Their wardrobe could be a lot better" "Their single WFH was certified platnium at the time, so why are they still wearing cheap clothing with a crappy production crew?" Makes me so mad! Hopefully the girls are able to move on to a different record label where they are very much appreciated.
Yeah something shady is definitely happening behind the scenes like fifth harmony’s team doesn’t care about them progressing such as vocals, dancing, and breath control goes, doesnt let them explore different things, proving the bum ass haters wrong, like the girls are definitely talented but they need better vocal coaches who actually knows wtf their doing and more rehearsals for choreography but at the same time the girls got to put in work to better them selfs with all the things I just listed.
Please do their performance of touch on the today show !
They're both signed to Syco, but Epic is Fifth Harmony's main label and Columbia ( if I'm correct) is LM's.
Prentice Jz'Hnaye syco helps with the performance like stage stuff and they sell the albums (no offense) so they pay for dancers and choreography along with tour outfit changes.
Totally agree with you guys - 5h labels sucks and that’s the main reason why they aren’t being represented right . Please react to Camila album please !! 😩❤️🙌🏽🙃
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Omfg react to Kehlani's album Ik it's old but if you havent you should and her song Honey
They need more songs like can you see cuz whoever worked on them with that was genius in getting the girls vocals together for that and sound. And its sad that it takes a movie soundtrack song for the girls to actually do well promotion wise as well as vocals. Epic really don't give the girls a break like that and they rush everything. I'm over it tbh..😡😞
Lmaooo mike that was from Lauren 😂😂 in that audio
Plus they have to pay for the background dancers they could use the tour money to do that
They might need more production, but they also need to put more efforty into their performances as a group. They usually look lazy or kind of sloppy. And little mix has a larger budget simply because they are bringing more money in.
Where's the little mix reactions 🙄
ITHINK THEY ONLY SIGNED ONE MORE ALBUM AND THAT ONE ALBUM WAS THEIR SELF TITLED ALBUM
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Stop saying it’s the label, it’s not the label. It’s them and the fans, all the fans do is vote online, talk shit online, but they don’t buy the music, buy merchandise, and go to the concerts!! And the girls don’t try, they’re very lazy!!! They don’t have the passion!
They just need to break up already. Camila is doing well, I'm sure all of them could do it too
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I dont think any of them will stay in epic longer even camila with the solo ventures it allows other record labels to pay attention to them when they go solo and camila has republic and big machine that would love to sign her and want her so epic gonna lose 5 outta 5 of fifth harmony soon lol.
The epic is really trash they don't care about 5H. I have 100% of sure the girls don't have no control over the production of the stage and this things but also do you have to think about the Little Mix tour is only in a country and 5H is around the world it make more difficult for them to have a BIG performance in every single show. I love the reaction guys 💕 (sorry for my bad English, it's not my first language ☺️)
that's not true! Little Mix tours around the world, just not in the Americas.
Well said. As someone who lives in the "Americas" I would like an answer to why they have not come here? And also not as a opening act either.
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Epic is trash, they need Fifth Harmony, but I hope they lose the girls and they go to a label that appreciates them