I have a Turkish Samovar I bought just before Desert Storm. It's copper and absolutely beautiful. I'll be getting into this again pretty soon. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome.Never realised copper was so workable and wouldnt have believed it until I watched this.Came upon this while researching copper welding/workability for building a homemade still from a copper water tank.Brilliant.
Thank you for so generously sharing. This has inspired me to branch out from silver jewelry-making. Well-shot videos and excellent explanations of what you are doing.
It is most likely 20 gauge, I use 18 if i intnd to do a lot of chasing and repousse, although 20 would be enough for light relief images. Thanks for watching.
Sage, great series of videos. They're very informative for people like me who are trying to get into this. A couple questions about some of your equipment... Where do you get the stakes? How thick is the copper you're using? It sounds like it's a pretty heavy piece.(By the way, my coworkers are getting tired of listening to the hammering... I watch these videos in the office during lunch. I don't care, though. I have to listen to their silly conversations all day.)I hope to see more raising/repousse vids from you soon. Take care.
+Stephen Mosack ~ The stakes come from All Craft in Manhattan, you can also find them on EBay occasionally. I used a steel pipe for a year or so, the stakes are better being solid and cost around $178, If you look around the web you might find used stakes. What ever you find they will likely have to be dressed, that is refinished, even my new base setting stake had to be trued up for me to use it. My copper and silver is usually 18 and 20 gauge depending on the size of the intended vessel and the type of finishing/chasing. Glad you are enjoying the videos there will be something after the new year begins. Thanks for watching and writing.
You can find stakes at All Craft in the 30's in Manhattan, my first stake was a heavy metal pipe but the solid stake is better. You might find stakes at large antiques markets. people often discard something when they don't know what it is, I'm always looking for old tools at places like that. Keep an eye out on Ebay, things turn up there occasionally too. Good luck and thanks for watching.
Turning the beaker upside down on some fine Emery paper will do exactly the same job as a flat file just a little quicker. A simple curved scraper to take the sharpness out is just as good on the edge.
I hope this question gets answered. I'm familiar with sinking and raising but I never understood how the larger circumference of a flat sheet can be reduced so much when it's raised. Do you know how this happens? The only way I can think of it happening is for the lip of the bowl to get thicker and thicker every time.
When you are raising metal, you use a cross peen hammer. That means that you are moving the metal in a particular direction. As you decrease the diameter of the circle , you are moving the metal upward raising the cup or bowl. Ideally when you finish, the metal is still the same thickness as when you started. There might be some thickening of the metal at the very edge which, for me becomes irregular (and gets trimmed off of the finished vessel). It does seem like magic, if you measure the height and diameter of a finished vessel and add them together, it should be very close to the diameter of the original disk of metal. Thanks for watching.
Sage Reynolds Thanks for the reply! I understand the process because I've done it myself. I just can't understand why it occurs. Like for example if you take a circular paper and try to make a bowl out of it the length of the circumference can't change, you'll be left with creases that add up to the original circumference length. I know it's not a good comparison and that there are creases during raising and sinking which can be hammered out also in metal. I guess to put it more simply. Where does the extra circumference of a flat sheet go after it's been raised, especially if raised really high like yours. Because the circumference is a lot smaller. Maybe I just don't understand it at all. I do not feel smart right now haha.
Rather than paper ,you should think of it more like clay. The metal/clay simply changes places. the circumference becomes smaller because the mass under it is moving downward and upward rather than to the sides. the down and up makes the vessel rise while the circumference diminishes.
I still don't see where the shrinking takes place. Obviously, it does happen. I work with iron, but to shrink like you do, I have to produce a wrinkle and then actually upset the metal, thickening it to get the diameter smaller.
Raising a vessel is a lot like what a potter does with clay. We raise the metal in rounds with a hammer on a stake, moving the metal as the vessel is turned. If all goes well, the vessel closes and the sides rise with the metal staying the same thickness as it was in the beginning. There can be some thickening at the rim but that doesn't happen for me. Being a black smith is different with different goals. I have a great respect for iron work and all that is required in the repertoire. As a black smith you must do a similar thing when you make a point or stretch and thin a blade. We are just doing that in the round ( and with cold metal). Thanks for watching.
sage, been watching your videos for a while now trying to learn a bit about shaping. excellent instruction. what weight copper do you use for these bowls/cups?
The pipe videos are from when I had no stakes. You see in the video above that I do have stakes now. I have left the stake videos up for those who want to try but have no access to stakes simply to show that it can be done, even solid bars are hard to find in some parts of the country. Thanks for watching.
The top edge of any raised item should always remain fairly even. If it ends up looking like yours you are not keeping the raising even. Any coppersmith or silversmith uses a pencil to put guide lines around any vessel being raised. It's the only way to keep it under control. The top edge should be caulked to make it appear thicker and stronger. Who ever taught you is not teaching correct methods.
Please read my reply to your other comment, also take note that this video is nearly 8 years old, made when I was in my second or third year of beginning metal work. BTW, you and I are probably about the same age. Thanks for watching.
I have just re watched this video and I do not hear any of what you are saying. The speech part is as I recorded it. It may be the play back in your area. Does that happen on any other of the videos in this series? Thank for watching.
Really great series and clear explanation. So thankful I found this. Even more thankful you made it! Cheers!!
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I have a Turkish Samovar I bought just before Desert Storm. It's copper and absolutely beautiful. I'll be getting into this again pretty soon. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for showing it’s was most interesting and nice to see the old ways of metal working…
I watched all four videos and it was awesome- Thanks for sharing!
Awesome.Never realised copper was so workable and wouldnt have believed it until I watched this.Came upon this while researching copper welding/workability for building a homemade still from a copper water tank.Brilliant.
Thank you for so generously sharing. This has inspired me to branch out from silver jewelry-making. Well-shot videos and excellent explanations of what you are doing.
Excellent tutorials thank for uploading video editing and explaining thoroughly the procedures.
Such a great series! Thanks!
really enjoyed watching !! thank you
Thanks for the video. I have admired hammered work but never watched it done.
Amazing.
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Brilliant, how thick was the seet used for the beaker? Thanks D
It is most likely 20 gauge, I use 18 if i intnd to do a lot of chasing and repousse, although 20 would be enough for light relief images.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you, great videos.
Great videos, great teaching! Would it be possible to make cones?
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Sage, great series of videos. They're very informative for people like me who are trying to get into this. A couple questions about some of your equipment... Where do you get the stakes? How thick is the copper you're using? It sounds like it's a pretty heavy piece.(By the way, my coworkers are getting tired of listening to the hammering... I watch these videos in the office during lunch. I don't care, though. I have to listen to their silly conversations all day.)I hope to see more raising/repousse vids from you soon. Take care.
+Stephen Mosack ~ The stakes come from All Craft in Manhattan, you can also find them on EBay occasionally. I used a steel pipe for a year or so, the stakes are better being solid and cost around $178, If you look around the web you might find used stakes. What ever you find they will likely have to be dressed, that is refinished, even my new base setting stake had to be trued up for me to use it. My copper and silver is usually 18 and 20 gauge depending on the size of the intended vessel and the type of finishing/chasing. Glad you are enjoying the videos there will be something after the new year begins. Thanks for watching and writing.
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You can find stakes at All Craft in the 30's in Manhattan, my first stake was a heavy metal pipe but the solid stake is better. You might find stakes at large antiques markets. people often discard something when they don't know what it is, I'm always looking for old tools at places like that. Keep an eye out on Ebay, things turn up there occasionally too. Good luck and thanks for watching.
Thanks! Great tutorial. Are you annealing between each round?
Turning the beaker upside down on some fine Emery paper will do exactly the same job as a flat file just a little quicker. A simple curved scraper to take the sharpness out is just as good on the edge.
Thank you and thanks for watching.
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IMHO: You ought to polish that stake,... (....it's got several dings in it).
I hope this question gets answered. I'm familiar with sinking and raising but I never understood how the larger circumference of a flat sheet can be reduced so much when it's raised. Do you know how this happens? The only way I can think of it happening is for the lip of the bowl to get thicker and thicker every time.
When you are raising metal, you use a cross peen hammer. That means that you are moving the metal in a particular direction. As you decrease the diameter of the circle , you are moving the metal upward raising the cup or bowl. Ideally when you finish, the metal is still the same thickness as when you started. There might be some thickening of the metal at the very edge which, for me becomes irregular (and gets trimmed off of the finished vessel). It does seem like magic, if you measure the height and diameter of a finished vessel and add them together, it should be very close to the diameter of the original disk of metal.
Thanks for watching.
Sage Reynolds Thanks for the reply! I understand the process because I've done it myself. I just can't understand why it occurs. Like for example if you take a circular paper and try to make a bowl out of it the length of the circumference can't change, you'll be left with creases that add up to the original circumference length. I know it's not a good comparison and that there are creases during raising and sinking which can be hammered out also in metal. I guess to put it more simply. Where does the extra circumference of a flat sheet go after it's been raised, especially if raised really high like yours. Because the circumference is a lot smaller. Maybe I just don't understand it at all. I do not feel smart right now haha.
Rather than paper ,you should think of it more like clay. The metal/clay simply changes places. the circumference becomes smaller because the mass under it is moving downward and upward rather than to the sides. the down and up makes the vessel rise while the circumference diminishes.
Sage Reynolds thanks! I get it now
Is the copper 22 gauge? Cool videos, I'll have to get me some tools.
18 gague
I still don't see where the shrinking takes place. Obviously, it does happen. I work with iron, but to shrink like you do, I have to produce a wrinkle and then actually upset the metal, thickening it to get the diameter smaller.
Raising a vessel is a lot like what a potter does with clay. We raise the metal in rounds with a hammer on a stake, moving the metal as the vessel is turned. If all goes well, the vessel closes and the sides rise with the metal staying the same thickness as it was in the beginning. There can be some thickening at the rim but that doesn't happen for me. Being a black smith is different with different goals. I have a great respect for iron work and all that is required in the repertoire. As a black smith you must do a similar thing when you make a point or stretch and thin a blade. We are just doing that in the round ( and with cold metal). Thanks for watching.
Thank you for great videos :). Do you heat the copper for each raise ? and how thick is your copper in mm?
Yes, the copper is annealed, pickled and cleaned between each raising session. Thanks for watching!
18 gague.. which is 1.02 mm I guess?
sage, been watching your videos for a while now trying to learn a bit about shaping. excellent instruction.
what weight copper do you use for these bowls/cups?
18 gauge
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May i know whats the thickness of the copper sheet?
I usually use 20 or 18 gauge. Thanks for watching.
yeah, i think i got all the way around....oh, shit; I gashed me finger!
I like your video. You would get more efficient raising if you used a solid bar instead of a pipe.
The pipe videos are from when I had no stakes. You see in the video above that I do have stakes now. I have left the stake videos up for those who want to try but have no access to stakes simply to show that it can be done, even solid bars are hard to find in some parts of the country.
Thanks for watching.
I watched all 4 of these videos. Boooooooooo Riiiiiiiinnnnnnng
Oh pardon him for not making it a bloody show, it's supposed to be educational not entertainment
The top edge of any raised item should always remain fairly even. If it ends up looking like yours you are not keeping the raising even. Any coppersmith or silversmith uses a pencil to put guide lines around any vessel being raised. It's the only way to keep it under control. The top edge should be caulked to make it appear thicker and stronger. Who ever taught you is not teaching correct methods.
Please read my reply to your other comment, also take note that this video is nearly 8 years old, made when I was in my second or third year of beginning metal work. BTW, you and I are probably about the same age. Thanks for watching.
Great video’s but you add an extreme amount of “H” everywhere: tHHHo cHHHut a cHHHup cHHHarefully… just some examples
I have just re watched this video and I do not hear any of what you are saying. The speech part is as I recorded it. It may be the play back in your area. Does that happen on any other of the videos in this series?
Thank for watching.
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