The first time he was on Vlad, I was thinking its gonna be same 'ol BS, company line type a thing. But this man is very thoughtful and eloquent and communicates his thoughts very well. Props to Joc for gettin it in!
Joc hit the nail on the head. 30 YEARS Puff been EATING off that publishing while starving his artists out. Yea, cool he FINALLY gave them back but there was no promise the artists would be here 30 years…so how selfish is that? Some of these artists have relatives that have passed that were never able to enjoy the fruits of their loved ones labor while Puff ate and threw it in their face. Yes, they can still make money off the publishing but damn…30 years? That’s some kind of evil most don’t understand
But that was the deal , take it or leave it, you think it's easy to sign and blow up an artist ? Espin the 90s ? It's business and there needs to be ROI
A prime example that people from Atlanta would know is that Michael Sterling Song Lovers and Friends. Usher comes back 20 something years later and brings that song back. If Micheal Sterling had his publishing he came up again.
Three 6 Mafia kept ALL their publishing and never gave up their publishing... DJ Paul did a FEW interviews on her with Vlad and always says hes glad they kept it... Glo Rilla and others KEEP sampling Three 6 and they STILL eating good... publishing aint no joke... aby artists should hold on to it cause you NEVER know what producer may come along and want to redo it.....
@@stuartchilongozi2439 Aubrey of danity kane clearly ain’t the type to do the work…& it’s because she is a white woman from Orange County California which is why I always felt him making her the star of the group was a big mistake. Dawn left bad boy & got straight to work you don’t see her complaining at all!
Dawn has a net worth of 2.5....I don't think thats big time compared to what Diddy made off of them.....looksnlike she couldn't read the contracts either.....puff is a snake...even biggie mom had to sue his grimey ass for royalties...stop sucking puff and stand up for what's right...dawn is doing alt punk rock living with her parents during the pandemic
@@moosebiggzify "ate? No...STILL eating. Diddy literally pays Sting the equivalent of $2,000 a day for that sample. What other former Bad Boy artist is getting that?
Dam i went to high school with this man. Went to classes with this fool. Dam he genius. I just love intelligent people. But he basically saying the entire interview is life is all what u make it. People blame puff but they have to take responisibility. Joc wasnt messed over but hes smart.
Yo Diddy is one smart dude! He had that publishing deal planned out from day one with all his artists. Forget the $500k or Jay-Z dinner, would you rather sign the NDA and take back that publishing or be featured in the upcoming 'Surviving Diddy' Doc and be apart of history? Tough call! 😂 And if you had to choose, which artist would you be?
The issue niggas have Puff is that Puff gives out regular record contracts which are loans and then niggas act like he's doing something wrong with the artist doesn't recoup the contract.
@@christianjames92 lol right cause for years I've heard this man's name dragged in the media and I be like it can't be all his fault and did some of these artist even take the time to read or even hire a attorney to get the right representation before they knew what they was signing.
This ANOTHER reason why I rock with Joc STILL HEAVY! A real HUSTLER recognize a another real hustler! You can hear the NO MATTER what! I'M gone eat in him!!
A lot of people need to Elevate their Mindz, most will never get ahead in life because they have no hustle, can't see opportunities and would rather blame other people instead of doing the work to figure things out.
G-dep got 3 hits Special delivery and the remix, make this money 🤷♂️ his album was solid too. Craig Mac had 3 gotta get the cash, Flava in ya ear, and the remix 🤷♂️.
The answer to Mark Curry is… hire some kids that understand tiktok. That’s how My Boo and them old Dancehall records and all that got resurrected. People always lookin for somethin “vintage” to wear or make a dance to
He gave it back after its not worth nothing he should’ve gave them some money, 1 million a piece wouldn’t hurt him at all because none of them gonna make a million now with it 💯
Most people don’t understand publishing nor the music business. The value of publishing goes up over time ESPECIALLY when you have hits in your catalog…
How would the value of their publishing go up if no one is listening to their music??? They’re not getting many streams on streaming platforms, no one is buying their physical albums. So where is the value if it’s bringing in no money???
That’s because artists be lazy’ and don’t know how to go out there and make it happen for themselves making the right moves with the pub Joc is 💯 it’s about the hustle in you’
@@whatwhat9004they don't need streams to make money from publishing. Publishing could also generate income from samples, movies, documentaries, tv shows, tv commercials, etc. Plenty of ways to make money from publishing
9:17 when you own your music copyright, you can leverage that ownership through sync placements. Musis Supervisors for tv shows, movies, video games, commercials, ads, social media platforms often can't afford to sync music from various mainstream artists and producers, so anyone with decent music that fits what these Music Supervisors need can make a killing pitching their music for sync.
Great interview the only thing we can’t forget Puffy samples so many great artists. Those artist got money off the top, publishing too from those samples.
If you don't have at least $300 to pay an entertainment lawyer to look over a contract and break it down to you then you don't need to sign a contract. That's why most artists should have a team or have worked a 9 to 5 to at least understand some form of business. We have to stop making excuses for simplicity. Especially this day in age when we have access to so much information.
It sounds good but what he's talking about will only work for maybe 20% of those artists. Majority of those artists publishing is dead in the water and will never surge again. Only way it will work out is if sampling becomes cheaper to new artists than buying new beats where everyone can eat off it.
@@TheBlk1boi you can't force ppl to use your old songs, that's up to the new artist to decide. Most old hits aren't even on the radar to be sampled or used in advertisements. Everything has a time frame for when it's reusable unless it's a timeless classic. Getting your hustle on won't always work if you get your publishing back 20-30 years later after its not hot and worth nothing. Most of these new artist are young and weren't born or even know the impact of songs when they came out. Only way it would work is if you took your old hits to a producer and paid them to do 10 different versions of each hit and then shop them out. Which in the end is a big risk, you might only lose the money invested unless u sale samples for dirt cheap. His classic car example was a bad one bc unless u get car for free or dirt cheap. You'll almost ALWAYS ALWAYS spend more on restoration than what ppl are willing to pay unless it's very rare.... aka a timeless classics the 10-20%.
@@itsruffoutchea6636not entirely true. Dolly Parton wrote a little small tune that very few people ever heard of. Until one day 30 years later, someone remembered it and decided to put it in a movie called the Bodyguard. The song was given to the great Whitney Houston, and became the highest selling soundtrack of all times, and made Dolly Parton more money than she ever made on her own. Owning publishing is like owning stock. You never know when it could take off
I get what he is saying, but i also get what Aubrey is saying. She also would have to split her publishing, because she is in a group, where Joc is a solo act. Its unique situation to every artist. And you don't win completely either way.
Something’s you cant “RE”Construct….you gotta tear it down! You cant fix MOLD‼️‼️. Someone value might be the things they went thru to tell what they experienced. That’s their way back to the bag 💯
I’m glad joc started doing interviews. It shows a different side of joc . Real intelligent brother
FRFR I can't front Joc be dropping some gems
I Definitely Agree With You Dawg
The first time he was on Vlad, I was thinking its gonna be same 'ol BS, company line type a thing. But this man is very thoughtful and eloquent and communicates his thoughts very well. Props to Joc for gettin it in!
Pure jems 💎💎🏆🏆
Intelligent brother and smart of the way he breaks down stuffs for the ones that … you know what I mean 😎
Joc hit the nail on the head. 30 YEARS Puff been EATING off that publishing while starving his artists out. Yea, cool he FINALLY gave them back but there was no promise the artists would be here 30 years…so how selfish is that? Some of these artists have relatives that have passed that were never able to enjoy the fruits of their loved ones labor while Puff ate and threw it in their face. Yes, they can still make money off the publishing but damn…30 years? That’s some kind of evil most don’t understand
NBS
It is what it is
But that was the deal , take it or leave it, you think it's easy to sign and blow up an artist ? Espin the 90s ? It's business and there needs to be ROI
If you have a mentality like Yung Joc, you'll NEVER be broke. But if you are broke, money is on it's way. Hercules Hustle for real, for real 💪
Joc does great interviews he always seems to give a new perspective on things.
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I respect Joc, he’s never been one to sit around feeling sorry for himself, he gets up and hustles no matter what
Joc always come through with gems
Now this the what our culture is dying for...the wisdom of a king! That is what the industry is suppressing! This is what our people need to hear!❤
I Definitely Agree With You
SMH my ppl always want free..this man needs to write a book and get Paid ,see if ppl buy it 😂
Joc has gotten colder and colder with the analogies . Salute 🫡 💯🔥
Joc is a very intelligent brother.
These Shawn & Joc interviews are Golden!!🫡🫡
A prime example that people from Atlanta would know is that Michael Sterling Song Lovers and Friends. Usher comes back 20 something years later and brings that song back. If Micheal Sterling had his publishing he came up again.
Three 6 Mafia kept ALL their publishing and never gave up their publishing... DJ Paul did a FEW interviews on her with Vlad and always says hes glad they kept it... Glo Rilla and others KEEP sampling Three 6 and they STILL eating good... publishing aint no joke... aby artists should hold on to it cause you NEVER know what producer may come along and want to redo it.....
Facts
Yeah paul and jay chilling.
They the first ppl came to mind like bro know what he talking about
Dawn Richard started licensing her own indie music to various television shows & commercials on adult swim! It’s up to you to do the work
Exactly
@@stuartchilongozi2439 Aubrey of danity kane clearly ain’t the type to do the work…& it’s because she is a white woman from Orange County California which is why I always felt him making her the star of the group was a big mistake. Dawn left bad boy & got straight to work you don’t see her complaining at all!
Dawn has a net worth of 2.5....I don't think thats big time compared to what Diddy made off of them.....looksnlike she couldn't read the contracts either.....puff is a snake...even biggie mom had to sue his grimey ass for royalties...stop sucking puff and stand up for what's right...dawn is doing alt punk rock living with her parents during the pandemic
I’m gonna put a calendar reminder to add Joc to the playlist HEAVY when he gets his publishing back
That's what's up 💪
Playlist Heavy?
@@Princinnati For us older folk, heavy means “a lot”
Respect bruh!!!🤝🤝👏🏿🫡💯
He never lost it
this was a good ass conversation between shawn & joc made a great point about the verzus
Why everybody always forget Total they got hits too 😂..
Most Bad Boy hits were sampled.Sting makes more in one day off "missing you" than the whole Bad boy roster will probably make in a lifetime.
The Greatest Cap of All the Time!!
@@danielkwete6893😂facts. Sting ate off of that sample no doubt, but the cap is beyond me lol
@@moosebiggzify "ate? No...STILL eating. Diddy literally pays Sting the equivalent of $2,000 a day for that sample. What other former Bad Boy artist is getting that?
@@danielkwete6893 of ALL time fam?
No sting got paid, but it was exaggerated greatly. Both diddy and sting said it was not an everyday payment to sting. Y’all just believe anything.
Joc dropping knowledge. Get your publishing back and find a way to make it make money for you.
Dam i went to high school with this man. Went to classes with this fool. Dam he genius. I just love intelligent people. But he basically saying the entire interview is life is all what u make it. People blame puff but they have to take responisibility. Joc wasnt messed over but hes smart.
Finally somebody speaking facts about giving back the publishing. whole another respect for Joc
Yo Diddy is one smart dude! He had that publishing deal planned out from day one with all his artists. Forget the $500k or Jay-Z dinner, would you rather sign the NDA and take back that publishing or be featured in the upcoming 'Surviving Diddy' Doc and be apart of history? Tough call! 😂 And if you had to choose, which artist would you be?
@@jaxon386That surviving Puffy Doc is definitely coming soon, especially when this Keefe D trial kicks off.
Joc need his own show or podcast. He's dropping some heavy game here
Joc has a radio show in atl
Everybody comes at Puff sideways but no one ever says anything about artists signing paperwork that they probably couldn’t understand.
That’s like saying if it was legal to marry a 9 year old you would sign a marriage license to do it
It’s the business model. Trash as fuck to blame artist when these big labels have floors of attorneys
The issue niggas have Puff is that Puff gives out regular record contracts which are loans and then niggas act like he's doing something wrong with the artist doesn't recoup the contract.
@@christianjames92 lol right cause for years I've heard this man's name dragged in the media and I be like it can't be all his fault and did some of these artist even take the time to read or even hire a attorney to get the right representation before they knew what they was signing.
@@Foenem521What?!
Joc at 15:00 and beyond - wow, great attitude. Props.
Joc speaking Facts you all better peak game
Joc is the 🐐💯‼️
I understand both arguments but jocs breakdown is very logical. Shows that he learned to put in the work instead of crying about what is owed to you.
Exactly them old heads like curry don’t know shit and ain’t tryna learn shit
The podcast game is missing yung joc! Dude is very knowledgeable
Should've asked Joc if he's receiving checks from any of his songs
Yung joc doesn't get enough credit for being highly intelligent
I always said bout dealing with Puff it’s all in how you negotiate…the ppl that feel jerked didn’t know the business
U can tell Young Joc is is own Man..u gotta Respect Him.
Thanks for that nuanced view from Joc. A lot of these other ignorant bloggers dont understand this.
Joc a real businessman and always seems to take what he gets and make it make sense
I didnt know this man was this wise. I hope i run into himn again
Joc be spitting that real real 💯💯
😒sone stuff
Joc is so right. The publishing not be much, but go make it worth something else. Almost a start up business.
Right they could easily sell that shit or do like shiggy did wit the drake song and dance to that mfer everyday
I love listening to the wisdom of Young Joc. Thank you!
These new artists need to study more artist like Joc and blogger need more of this content
Mu father always taught me to look at yourself first...before you open your mouth to speak on someone else period!! Check yourself first. Facts
Joc said my name Benit & I ain’t in it 😅
😂😂😂
Joc and prez approaching vlad and boosie😂😂
Love joc interviews bro talks with a lot of sense n conviction smart dude salute 🫡
Facts I didn’t know he was this intelligent i see joc i click i like his dialogue
Joc shook with all this brother love talk, dude chill, keefe got this😢
Facts he shook
I mess with Joc...I've said it before, plus he is hilarious... Cool brother right there.
This ANOTHER reason why I rock with Joc STILL HEAVY! A real HUSTLER recognize a another real hustler! You can hear the NO MATTER what! I'M gone eat in him!!
4:47 that was pretty slick, I'm going to take that lol
A lot of people need to Elevate their Mindz, most will never get ahead in life because they have no hustle, can't see opportunities and would rather blame other people instead of doing the work to figure things out.
Joc!!! Poppin game on em!!! Trill Spill!!!!
Once again Joc comin thru with the 💎💎💎💎. Much love bro 💯 really appreciate the knowledge 🌹
Give Joc and Shawn Prez their flowers!! 💪🏾
Joc dropping gems upon gems please pay attention 👏🏾👏🏾
I fux with these Joc interviews! 💪🏾💪🏾
The more I hear him talk...just droppimg gem after gem. & he's right...all about your perspective ❤
G-dep got 3 hits Special delivery and the remix, make this money 🤷♂️ his album was solid too. Craig Mac had 3 gotta get the cash, Flava in ya ear, and the remix 🤷♂️.
Maannnn....I wish Joc could have a CBS Morning interview with Gayle K. It would blow niccaz minds.... *MOST* dont know this Joc
Boy Joc nailed it on the head 💯💯💯💪🏾
Niggas need to stop blaming Puff and get they weight up like Joc said
The answer to Mark Curry is… hire some kids that understand tiktok. That’s how My Boo and them old Dancehall records and all that got resurrected. People always lookin for somethin “vintage” to wear or make a dance to
Young joc always spitting facts 💎💎💎
Let me jus go "Ree" 😅😂😂 fr fr, Joc be spittin sum knowledge tho real shit
This would only hold weight if his music was original. All of diddys hits were samples, The original source of sample makes the real money.
Damnn diddy got everyone’s rights
They sold it to him. He paid the price
Wow, when he said about a woman worth. It was the value for me a word to keep going.
8Ball & MJG also was with Bad Boy South also
He gave it back after its not worth nothing he should’ve gave them some money, 1 million a piece wouldn’t hurt him at all because none of them gonna make a million now with it 💯
239. young joc’s analogy at 10:50 is brilliant 😉💯🤑👍🏽💰
Most people don’t understand publishing nor the music business. The value of publishing goes up over time ESPECIALLY when you have hits in your catalog…
You obviously never been in the business side of music
How would the value of their publishing go up if no one is listening to their music??? They’re not getting many streams on streaming platforms, no one is buying their physical albums. So where is the value if it’s bringing in no money???
That’s because artists be lazy’ and don’t know how to go out there and make it happen for themselves making the right moves with the pub Joc is 💯 it’s about the hustle in you’
@@whatwhat9004they don't need streams to make money from publishing. Publishing could also generate income from samples, movies, documentaries, tv shows, tv commercials, etc. Plenty of ways to make money from publishing
To be fair Diddy challenged everyone of his former Artist to come out and show proof that he kept their money. No one has come forward.
Damn he really flipped the perspective. This was dope
9:17 when you own your music copyright, you can leverage that ownership through sync placements. Musis Supervisors for tv shows, movies, video games, commercials, ads, social media platforms often can't afford to sync music from various mainstream artists and producers, so anyone with decent music that fits what these Music Supervisors need can make a killing pitching their music for sync.
Great interview the only thing we can’t forget Puffy samples so many great artists. Those artist got money off the top, publishing too from those samples.
I was against all these remakes and was wondering why some of them were getting cleared. Joc just made me realize why…
Hustler mentality
If you don't have at least $300 to pay an entertainment lawyer to look over a contract and break it down to you then you don't need to sign a contract. That's why most artists should have a team or have worked a 9 to 5 to at least understand some form of business. We have to stop making excuses for simplicity. Especially this day in age when we have access to so much information.
Spitting fact s
They are after money. If you been poor your whole life and somebody wave money around you’ll sign it too
Crystal from TLC wanted a lawyer to look over the contract. She was fire, replace and the others got fame.
@@Kinksgalore that’s how most are. They want you to use their people and not your own. Remember they said diddy did that to the rap group he had
In the words of my mom: Your head is more than a hat rack. What a brilliant mind.
You have to do right by your people dog 💯💯💯
Our brother make sense every time 👏🏾👏🏾
Y Joc is absent right he has the correct foresight regarding the rights to the publishing etc
“YOU GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT”
Joc in the building 🎉❤
It sounds good but what he's talking about will only work for maybe 20% of those artists. Majority of those artists publishing is dead in the water and will never surge again. Only way it will work out is if sampling becomes cheaper to new artists than buying new beats where everyone can eat off it.
That part.
BE IN THAT 20% 🤷🏿♂️HUSTLE!...ITS UP TO YOU!
@@TheBlk1boicomplaining never solved anything better do something
@@TheBlk1boi you can't force ppl to use your old songs, that's up to the new artist to decide. Most old hits aren't even on the radar to be sampled or used in advertisements. Everything has a time frame for when it's reusable unless it's a timeless classic. Getting your hustle on won't always work if you get your publishing back 20-30 years later after its not hot and worth nothing. Most of these new artist are young and weren't born or even know the impact of songs when they came out. Only way it would work is if you took your old hits to a producer and paid them to do 10 different versions of each hit and then shop them out. Which in the end is a big risk, you might only lose the money invested unless u sale samples for dirt cheap. His classic car example was a bad one bc unless u get car for free or dirt cheap. You'll almost ALWAYS ALWAYS spend more on restoration than what ppl are willing to pay unless it's very rare.... aka a timeless classics the 10-20%.
@@itsruffoutchea6636not entirely true. Dolly Parton wrote a little small tune that very few people ever heard of. Until one day 30 years later, someone remembered it and decided to put it in a movie called the Bodyguard. The song was given to the great Whitney Houston, and became the highest selling soundtrack of all times, and made Dolly Parton more money than she ever made on her own. Owning publishing is like owning stock. You never know when it could take off
Spitting 💯 percent facts
It’s going down is still in rotation on the radio
I don’t respect nobody that disrespect the dead
I get what he is saying, but i also get what Aubrey is saying. She also would have to split her publishing, because she is in a group, where Joc is a solo act. Its unique situation to every artist. And you don't win completely either way.
I love how Joc thinks. I can't wait for his rebrand era.
And it was at this moment I found out Mario is a Winan. 🤯
Joc is a informative and entertaining at the same time
11:38 😂 He forgot to cover his moose knuckle
Don't forget about Total💯
Big up to Joc for not talking like a sensitive man and talking like a business man. Niggaz in the comments was waiting for him to beat up Puff.
Joc is a real one. F*ck the haters.
Fascinating convo
Joc got a point
Can’t lie soon as he said that I went to go listen I rock with fab
Mesye Joc said it best , A Hit record never dies just have to rebrand it !
I was jus listening to new joc city at work .. he was talking alotta street shyt😅
Something’s you cant “RE”Construct….you gotta tear it down! You cant fix MOLD‼️‼️. Someone value might be the things they went thru to tell what they experienced. That’s their way back to the bag 💯
That’s a valid point, documentaries are huge, tell all books too are a great too!
Team JOC💯💪💪💪