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- What's Chinese opinion regarding the war in Ukraine.
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0:00 - Intro
2:18 - Chinese Survey
10:57 - Reason why Chinese think this way
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Oh I forgot to make a point in this video. It is not in the interest of China/Chinese government to release this kind of survey to the public because of Russian leaning population. Imagine if a survey ask if Russia should annex the four regions, and a bunch of Chinese says YES YES YES, that will damage China Europe relationship and harm business relationship.
Who cares? Today France is still colonizing some African countries, do Chinese care when they buy Dior, Hermes and LV?
Should probably ping this. You can also edit/expand that pinned message when you happen to remember some things and want people to see it
@@sohn7767 yea started this whole thing 2 weeks ago. New to this youtube, camera, video editing thing.
Official Chinese position is balanced. It does not see the conflict black and white and acknowledge involvement of NATO. Thus, the only way to liberate Ukraine is to make everybody respect the sovereignty of that country. Not only Russian troops should leave Ukraine, but CIA, MI6, NATO as well.
Why it should damage their relations?? This is opinion of ordinary Chinese people. As you may know not so long ago some European countries have sent their official delegations to Taiwan to express their support. Weren't they thinking that this could damage their relations with China??
Both surveys simply confirm what I thought. I wonder what your second video can reveal that is so different 🙂
Hope you enjoyed it!
Me too. And I lived in Moscow in the 90s. (studied aeronautics)
@@TawaniAnyangwe, Did you learn that the Kinzhal and Zircon are garbage that can be shot down by 30 year old Patriot missiles?
I have learnt something today and also had some presumptions confirmed, thank you for the video
Thank you for watching! May we find peace forward together.
At 3:18 I learned that the Chinese have been brainwashed by Russian propaganda.
The same communist heard mentality. Sad
I gave some criticism earlier; that being said, I appreciate your perspective and encourage you to keep this up. You have excellent content.
I appreciate that! If you have any question, let me know!
@WindSpiritZ I have a question. in the end you say that Europeans do not want to be distracted by other issues and problems in the world. It seems strange to me to expect that Europeans will be interested in other issues when the biggest war since the Second World War 2 is taking place in the geographical center of this very Europe. and how do you think European countries should react in such conditions? By the way, let me remind you that NATO did not participate in any way and did not help Ukraine at all.
@@alexcher3134 NATO and US involve deeply in Ukraine even before the war. It is good to have a wider lens when approach geopolitical issue.
What do you mean by "deeply involved" before the 2014 war? Ukrainian participation in one single NATO program - “Partnership for Peace”, so many countries participated in this program, even Russia; Ukraine did not participate in any other NATO programs. and whether Ukraine cooperates with the United States is decided solely by Ukraine and its citizens and in no way can be the cause of war, Russian occupation and the murder of civilians and innocent people in Ukraine. Or do you have a different point of view?
@WindSpiritZ for example, when Russia created the aggressive military alliance CSTO on the borders of Ukraine, Ukraine did not go to attack Russia and kill its citizens and annex the cities of the Russian Federation to Ukraine. and at the same time, before the war, Ukraine even had a constitutional prohibition on participation in any military alliances, even NATO, and before the start of the war, no one in Ukraine wanted or talked about joining NATO. The article on the ban on joining NATO was removed from the Constitution of Ukraine only in 2019, that is, 5 years after the start of Russian military aggression. How does your broad geopolitical view explain this?
Great video, thank you for spreading awareness on this topic
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
I am very happy to find such a great channel. Great contents!
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
Wow. Your perspective is refreshing
Thank you for watching! May we find peace forward together.
What this tells me that Chinese are rationalizing the road to Taiwan.
Taiwan IS china.
‘Anschluss’ in Mandarin Chinese
To Chinese Taipei you mean? Good.
un confirm that taiwan is a part of china .
@@Shimra8888 humanitarian intervention in washington american.
Thanks for the uploads, greetings from kenya Uganda border town 😊
Hi. Am Kenyan too. In Nairobi. Sijui nimejipata hapa aje 😄 but nimewarch tu. Interesting content. Waafrika wengi wako pande ya Russia.
@@mashariki why exactly if I may ask? Is it something about Russia that you want to support, or is it more of a anti EU, perhaps anti America stance?
As a Ukrainian seeing the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their prejudices is insane.
It's like saying "Well, the murderer is not to blame, the victim was too provocative, and also other people have murdered in the past, so it's ok".
More like, the Ukrainian fall into NATO false promise. Nato and ukraine has been flirting each other against the wrath of russia, then when shit really happened, NATO don't get into the fight to protect ukraine, instead only supporting from the sideline.
Sorry about your country. Thanks for watching! May we find peace.
Well said. Russia has been undermining Ukraine for 500 years. And then Russia invades in another blatent act of agression but people blame the Ukrainians
Yeah lets just forget what Ukraine was doing in Donbass for 8 years.
Ukraine is clearly a victim here.
@@petunized You mean what russias proxy forces (and sometimes even regular army) did in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts for 8 years? Yeah, lets not forget that.
Can you give me Chinese analysts and their TH-cam channels? I would watch (the audio translates quite normally from Chinese into Russian)
th-cam.com/video/hEZhsR-h3IE/w-d-xo.html
@@WindSpiritZ
I watched.
But there are mainly reviews on finance and real estate
Is there something like Alexandr Mercouris or Brian Berletic?
www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris
www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas
@@WindSpiritZ
I watched.
But there are mainly reviews on finance and real estate
Is there something like Alexandr Mercouris or Brian Berletic?
TH-cam canals
@AlexMercouris
@TheNewAtlas
@@WindSpiritZ
I watched.
But there are mainly reviews on finance and real estate
Is there something like Alexandr Mercouris or Brian Berletic?
(I cited them as an example of the topics raised)
Unfortunately TH-cam does not allow you to give channels
@ AlexMercouris
@ TheNewAtlas
@@1965lks Yes, we really need this. The Chinese perspective is sorely missing in the West.
Towards the end this got good. Great video
in the beginning my response is "At the end of the day Chinese people are socially and internet-ly isolated this makes total sense. Their pretty much just a richer version of North Korea. Their government uses about 1/5 of their GDP to keep their people in check with cameras and monitoring. So what info they get is already incredibly biased." The they Hate US is the only real reason why china is like this as china has a history of viewing themselves as the centre of the world. Plus why China only sends parts and not weapons as if the west sanctions china than china's econmy will just die. its internal trade is pretty dead cause of their covid policies and its aftereffects. outside trade is where they get their money. majority being EU and USA
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
This is actually a really good video to understand how people around the world think about geo-politcal events.
Even though it's pretty important for european people to get more views than just the POV of NATO - it's a mess here, I am from German.
Thank you for this video - this is golden!
Thanks watching! May we find peace forward.
Though I strongly disagree with many points raised, I appreciate the time and effort you put into making a well put together video exposing people to a different view point. In order for our societies to obtain the best possible descisions, we must examine issues from as many different points of reference as possible. You have a new subscriber.
However, I will forever find it deeply ironic that people can support one country invading and stealing another country's land in the name of "anti-imperialism".
Thanks for sharing! I think keeping an open mind is very important for discussion. Let me know if you have any questions.
It's not really ironic. Most of us who got burned by the West one way or the other see Ukrainian siding with it as, well ... siding with our enemy.
Hair-splitting over who technically fired the first "actual" shot is what makes western "intellectuals" lose reputation from our perspective. Overall geopolitical laws dictate that as a country of limited sovereignty (as almost all the countries in the world are) Ukrainians should have taken the Russian interests into the equation. In that context, trying to align with the West was an obvious "first shot" that Russia can't afford to ignore. Everybody knew what would happen, what to do to avoid it, and invoking kindergarten logic of assigning blame to the one who punches first and ignoring all other forms of provocation/insult is naive at best.
@@arsic094i have to ask you,what ucraine did to go against russia interest? Siding with weast ok,but how?Because ucraine can’t join (and even ask) both Nato and EU without meeting all a series of requirement and the agreement of all members
@@ilnumero1234 You can't be serious.
@@arsic094 i’m serious,i’m curious and i’m asking you because i keep reading Russian interest over ucraine but what are the Russian interest over ucraine that are so important to basically destroy their entire economic relationship with the EU (for example italy and germany that are the first and forth economy in EU had over 50% of their energy consumption on gas that were Russian) and a good portion of Russia’s PIL was from this economic partnership
This was incredibly interesting, thanks for sharing your point of view on this!
Thanks watching! May we find peace forward.
Thank you for your insight
Thank you for watching! May we find peace forward.
The US has already achieved its goals in Ukraine:
1) Converted the LNG supply from Russia to USA. USA has large LNG and oil deposits discovered in the Permian Basin. US is now the largest exporter of LNG to Europe.
2) Increased NATO membership. This broadens the market for US weapons and military sales. It also allows increase of US bases. Weapon sales are hugely important to the US.
Regardless of what happens to Ukraine, the US has already won from its perspective. It is not generally in the US interest to end the war.
Very true. Also all the financial capital outflow from Europe into US.
really? well, where should I start... OK, here is how this "victory" actually looks like: 1) it catalized BRICS to start rolling for real and Russia's instant win the whole Global South - the source of worlds economic grouwth of the next 50 years 2) pushed Russia and China to be from just friendly states to allies - including forging a military alliance (huge recent news) 3) Turned Russia from being 50% partner and 50% competitor into 150% enemy - and that I wouldn't take lightly. The next conflicts that US will take part in will be a whole different game now I promise ))) 4) catatized de-dollarization that at this point is a writng on the wall and Trump will not be able to stop it despite whatever he say about this 5) Destroyed unity in EU and NATO authority in Europe - it is obvious to anyone paying attention that NATO is not able to gear up for industrial scale conventional conflict in Europe and it is shown that basicaly nothing in fact can be done to fix it. 6) Total loss of US moral authority due to stupidly promoted hypocrisy of this conflict - yes Russia already won a propaganda war worldwide including in US itself if you didn't notice 7) it was a huge showcase and endorsement for the whole world what is actually Russian economic power is as being the most sanctioned state of all times and at the same time having the growth outpacing all G7 combined and individually 8) And finaly - it had a huge impact on the Russian nation as a wake up call. We had enough of this bullshit and we now are aiming at building Russia the way we want it to be and to thrive (it is a huge shift in selfdetermination). I would argue that this set is actually does for win... I would say it was THE worst descision for US in 100 years
@@WindSpiritZthe US cannot afford their current spending habits for much longer.
I have to disagree here, US Can’t take more than 1 big conflict at the time because the we are not back in the 1950 where a single air carrier was able to keep in check a nation. Since the start of the ucraine war US wasn’t able to extinguish a single conflict but instead they are rising in number. (Israel/gaza, uhti in yemen,all the golpe in centre africa,possible conflic in venezuela and columbia) With the focus on keeping China they have all the interest of keeping the conflict as low as possible. They have the biggest spending but is spread around the world , China instead spend all their budget in their area
@@ilnumero1234 This is an accurate point, and i would also mention that both the Ukraine and the Gaza problems were preventable, if US had addressed the festering problems of NATO encroachment/Gaza occupation. Instead US let it fester for decades...
Thank you for sharing how people that live outside of the monolithic US/western ideological bubble see the world.
thank you. may there be peace
Cos China isn't one? 🤣
Russia invaded Ukraine in a naked act of Imperialism. It's not complicated.
@@saattlebrutaz so you have problem with Imperialism or just Russia Imperialism?
@@ChorltonBrook Sir, that is an interesting view of the world you seem to have, that one should limit their knowledge of the external world to only what they are told by their own government media and culture, because to do otherwise would be to make one lesser somehow. I suppose you must believe (if I understand the logic behind your thinking correctly) that people living in the Chinese ideological bubble should take no interest in how the west views the affairs of the world and only get information from Chinese sources? Or are you suggesting that there exists a source of information for information on how the Chinese people view the world that is better and more accurate than Chinese people themselves? Please share.
Brilliant videos. I love this man's pov and his gentle but insistent , bright and clear comms. I find them incredibly informative.
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
So interesting to hear about China's perspective. I will be following your channel.
Awesome, thank you my Polish friend
Thank you for your content...please continue posting content on chinese perspective on geo-politics! Plus i agree with their perspective btw
thank you for watching! may we find peace forward
As a woman it is a must to subscribe to your channel to improve the female gender rating of only 6,1%😂 I am german, my father was born in Kiev, as a russian (1907) and I visited most of the sovietunion member states before the fall of the warsaw pact. Then Germany got united, the russian army went home, the american soldiers stayed! Putin since 2001 constantly offered collaboration with the west it was the west=NATO who declined the offer and betrayed the promise not to extend NATO to the border of Russia. The war in Ucraine was definitely provoked by the west. And what about the terror act of USA to explode german pipelines!?!. One must be very stupid or brainwashed not to see who is the foe and who is the friend! I migrated to Brazil a long time ago and are doing business with China. If I were younger I would move to China! A meritocracy working for its people and not a plutocracy as USA working for the rich!
Thank you for your support! And since I promise to be an honest Chinese, I still have an unpaid traffic ticket in Germany last time I drove from Salzberg into Munich. I was suppose to put up some document on my mirror or something and I didn't. I wonder what's the % of Germans think about Nordstream as to who likely did it. The media is very unreliable these days. Also a lot of pressure on AfD. Germans are doing more investment in China though. I hope Germany can recover its strength in the future.
In 2023, China still maintained international trade with Russia and Ukraine.
Of course, the amount of trade with Russia is much larger.
Before Zelensky came to power, China had close relations with Ukraine.
Nazi liar.
Thumbs up and greetings from Lübeck! :p
Sorry: there was absolutely no such promise. NATO enlargement - you should know - resulted from the fear of former Russian colonies/protectorates/vassal states of their former master. Gorbachev - who was at the very top of the negotiations desmissed such claim, which is the basis of Putin's propaganda (talking about brainwashed...).
That goes for the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, Romania and the lot. Who can blame them, they endured the full burden of being part of the Russian (Soviet) empire.
As for Ukraine: it had NEUTRAL status enshrined in its Constitution. It constituted no threat whatsoever to Russia.
The West invested heavily in Russia and trusted it to the extent of depending on it for its energy supplies. It should be assurance enough, other than for a sociopath such as Putin (who's afraid of one day having to deal with the many enemies he has been cumulating after decades of systematic power abuses, stealing and managing Russia as if he were the tzar).
Putin is a fascist dictator and as all dictators has now entered the phase of paranoia. Nearly one million dead is so far the price of his dellusions.
PS: China a meritocracy? In your dreams. The ccp controls it all - that´s no meritocracy, that's a totalitarian communist regime as usual (ask your father, he will know...).
Interesting video. Thank you
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
Thanks brother. Interesting.
Thank for watching! May we find peace forward
Good commentary. However , i would like to shift the perspective a bit . I believe there is segment of people which are not represented. What I mean is people who are living in the small country, next to a big country. We always hear of Europe , NATO = US, as if a single large entity , colonial power , but in fact the post Cold War Europe are a bunch of very small countries. Have we ever wondered why those Baltic & ex Soviet border countries all rush to sign up for NATO . ? Even now the staunchly nuetral Finland and Sweden . ? In these big geopolitical commentaries, I have not heard any air time given to what Ukrainians people want. The Russians assumed that the Ukrainians will welcome them with open arms.
I live in a very very small country surrounded by big neighbors and i appreciate the relative freedom of self determination.
I would like to suggest one additional video to give some voice to people from Hong Kong , Tibet , Xinjiang which is legitimately China. .. Taiwan ..
let’s hear what the small guy have to say .
I am from Hong Kong and living in US. I think the statistic is flawed in some way for sure. Geopolitics are complicated subject for sure, I'm posting new video on a topic you might be interested in
There are a lot of youtubers of european, american, canadian origin living in China reporting about it! Channels like Cyrus Janssen, Jeffrey s take on China, Reporterfy and many others! You may choose your favourite! But I warn you, they are all taking on western media lies about these regions! Best thing to do, and to KNOW, is to travel there, because otherwise you may not believe them!
And by the way, until the CIA coup in Kiev in 2014 Ukraine had a pro russian government, which USA did not like ! That s when things got hot and hotter, Nuland words: F**ck Europe! USA is creating the fear that Russia wants to expand, remake the Sovietunion, which Putin has always declined and there has never been a threat of Russia to invade whatever country! Germany, with the reunification, should have never entered Nato, not a defense alliance, looking at Serbia and Lybia.
As a Russian I am absolutely convinced that Baltic countries are owned by US elites. US elites spent tens of billions of dollars before 2014 to create anti-Russian belt along Russian borders. Buying mass media, politicians, creating hundreds of non-profites in every country. With the goal of creating scenarios exactly like Ukrainian one (and ultimately destroy Russia completely).
And they spent hundreds of billions, maybe even trillions since 2014. It's easy when you control the dollar printing press, EU and "Iternational" banks/IMF/....
Every country that's part of IMF financed Ukrainian regime and it's ethnic cleansings since 2014 because US controls it.
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In short, countries don't exist. People exist and USA just buys politicians/oligarchs/media people so they would fight against Russia.
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And Finland and Sweden were de facto NATO members. They absolutely participated in the war against Russia since 2014. When you surround your enemy with your forces it's extremely useful for part of them to be disguised as neutrals/innocent bystanders. As a Russian - it's better that way. Now masks are off.
Russia has a bunch of ignore ant fools brainwashed into believing that NATO = United States and that the west = United States. These people typically believe that the United States is their enemy despite the fact that the United States and Europe are the source of the majority of their income.
Because part of Ukrainians wanted to be with Russia, and they were being eliminated by Ukraine's ultra-nationalist pro-western government. It doesn't matter what this government wants, it matters what they're allowed and not allowed to do, or face a war with Russia, like it happened.
Are you planning on doing a video on serbia and serbian president Vucic?
No one understands Vučić. No one likes him either, but the NED influence in Serbia is too large and so we will never allow a US proxy president again. If, for example, Marinka would somehow get elected, she would probably get assasinated within a few days to not allow her to ruin the country.
Especially because Xi is visiting Serbia or already did on the day NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Serbia 20+ years ago (I don’t know the day)
@@LastKingLKArthur
They said to be wery sorry and sacked one CIA map guy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
The whole world knows that's a lie and an excuse@@pekkamustonen6654
Can't wait for part 2 of this video
Son caught ping eyes, you have to wait longer
@@WindSpiritZ that's okay, I will wait, hope your son get better
@@WindSpiritZ Let’s say China invades Taiwan and leadership weakens. ..and say China weakens then Viet Nam, India, and South Korea along with the US carve up China.. Some Pew research survey will show how China is blamed. Ukraine was free one day without threatening anyone and tanks rolled in the next day.
It's difficult for most people in Europe to understand why most of the world has not condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It's not that they are in support of the actions but rather understand the geopolitical realities. Most people in Europe have lived in a vacuum and have never taken such a harsh stance against the USA besides their repeated attacks on many countries that have resulted in the loss of lives of innocent people. There was a time when Many countries never had a choice but to dance to any demands of the west and USA because they had no choice. But the global dynamics have changed and many nations are no longer willing to sacrifice their own interests and people for other countries selfish endeavours.
I think domination of US lead media space and financial predatory capitalism has distorted European politics too much. Many European states act more like US satellite or client state at this point, you can see internal struggle if you pay close attention to domestic politics of each individual country. Hope we don't get another Ukraine. One is bad enough
The existence of NATO is evil.
Those times of dancing to the tune of west/USA... were the times they also had to dance to the tune of the USSR - it was the cold war, and many local wars resulted from it.
Africa, Latin/South America, Vietnam, Cambodia,... we know that. Blame is on both sides, Russians and Americans.
Not recoginizing this basic fact is being biased.
@@andrenogueira5058 True. thank you for your reply
@@andrenogueira5058 .
Reflect on the possibility that you are no different from others who are bias.
For instance - "Blame is on both sides, Russians and Americans."
It is more accurately be: "Blame is on both sides, USSR and Americans."
As an Egyptian my view is similar to that of the Chinese people for the same reasons u mentioned, most people in the global south suffered from years of US bullying and wars we will support anyone standing up to US imperialism
thank you for your support. Egyptians have the best cotton! Worked with your suppliers before.
Ah yes, like when the US, and Soviet Union jointly opposed the French and British, or the billions of dollars we give you every year. Liar.
SO you prefer the dictatorship in egypt? The chinese people may only believe what the ccp allows them to ... And that is your prefered mind set ... LOL ... hilarious!!!
Egypt is literally getting military aid from the United States. Moreover, Egypt received about 9 billions US dollars by 2019, which exceeded the American military aid to Ukraine before the big scale invasion by far. Did you protest your government for being a puppet of American imperialism?
That is due to your poor education and absence of unbiased analysis on how the US contribution changed the world for better and yet the US has fought no accusative wars with exception for a few cases such as the Philippines or let’s say US-Mexico/US-Spanish wars and a few land grabs of strategic islands. If you measure it in relation to my homeland - Russia, it’s nothing. China and the US are the only countries in the world that find itself contained within its boarders once their “hot” formation period ends. Unlike, Russia with its fluid borders.
Great video! Found your channel a few days ago, and it's nice to hear different perspectives.
Thank you for your support
yep - great channel to "learn", yes..ehmm :) But beside sarcasm from my side, I still agree, that it is quite good source to "listen to and learn" :)
@@zdenek75a you didn't answer my quesiton, you from Czech?
@@zdenek75a I think there are bunch of stuff we don't like, we have to work with what we have. Espeically in terms of geopolitical decision. It is not about right or wrong, what kind of balance can we achieve. What is consider balance and sensible when it comes to Ukraine? going back to 1991 borders? that's what you want right? what is feasible at this point?
@@zdenek75a i believe you are nationalistic and want good for your country and people. So it is good for Chinese, to be transparent with their thinking, so when it comes to geopolitical decision, you know who might be on your side who won't. China Russia trade is doing very well, and Russia will be able to last a long time while its citizen live in comfort. I'm industrial consultant, I know alot of details about the trade between russia and china that many European won't want to accept. Now they have to come to reality that sanction will not work, or not at least when it comes to helping Ukraine in short term mid term
Leaving a comment to help the channel growth. I like your attempt to be as unbiased as possible in the video. To learn more about conflict, of course one need to know more about both Russia and Ukraine and it'll take a lot of hours and dedication. Most people will not dare doing it. But from geopolitical perspective it's really pretty simple.
After talking to my eastern european friends for over 3000 hours, I'm not too sure about geopolitics being "simple". If it is so easy for us to come to a common understanding, we won't be in the huge mess we are in today
@@WindSpiritZ I think you're an exception. Again, unfortunately a lot of people, don't dare to spend even less than 3000 hours. And to come to a common understanding first of all one need to have a desire to do it. My feeling is that you finnish friends don't want to come to common understanding/
@@sergeypavlov9488 I don't blame them at all, Finnish are relatively isolated and complicated geopolitical thinking isn't one of their natural biological skill
Before you believe you are a good guy, you better understand why the other guy doesn’t. Don’t do something that you don’t want others do to you.
well said.
This applies to the US.
The point being?
@@WindSpiritZ why is your nickname has Z ? Does it refer to the Russian thing?
Here in Western Europe you find the exact opposite in polling - the higher the levels of education the more they are opposed to Russia.
Which poses an interesting question - how exactly does long education (indoctrination?) warp the thinking of the intelligentsia? Let's be honest here; critical thinking hasn't been given any priority in higher education for a long time.
What I found over the years is that all too many smart over-educated people are easily fooled because they don't believe they can be fooled because of their smarts and education.
interesting point. Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward
They haven't been educated in the right things, especially critical thinking
Higher Education can be shorthand for Class. Could we just as well say the upper classes hold a different opinion from the lower classes? Does it make more or less sense through that lens?
As recently as a month or two ago, I decided to start making an effort to understand the viewpoints of everyday people in China and, voila! Your channel pops up organically in my feed. As a Canadian, splitting time between my home in Japan and my other home in the US, I was beginning to become puzzled by the viewpoints encountered here in the US. Canadian viewpoints are largely the same, in the aggregate. Even the most government-skeptical people seem to be affected. I have a few hypotheses on why that is, and your channel is helping me to figure it all out. Thank you.
thank you for watching. My sister, a US citizen, decide to move to Tokyo and she's now a teacher there. Nothing to do with politics though, she just love the food and culture.
A TH-cam channel in english won't help.
@@yaelz6043 I would say you’re at least partially correct; it’s terribly difficult to find alternative views in only English. It explains why the variation of views, even between left and right here, is so limited, and many views are shared between all sides. However, there is still value.
You're delusional. The Chinese public doesn't have access to information, they believe what is on government channels, it's a function of propaganda. Russia invaded Ukraine in a naked act of aggression and Imperialism. That's it.
@80spaul
One explanation is the false narrative drummed into the populace by 愚民政策。
Very interesting. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
The US foreign policy, like most countries, is self-serving. Its not about fairness, its about control. The US wants to keep China and Russia weaker than itself; economically, technologically and militaristically. When you are at the top, you don't want to ever go back to second or third place. When you look at US policy from this lens the decisions start to make sense from that perspective. If you somehow remove China and Russia from the stage, the US becomes the defacto word leader and dictates the economy of the world.
China has its own ambitions. The "Belt and Road Initiative" is an example of China building future connections with nations that need infrastructure help. Russia is not a complicated country to understand. It has a history of being invaded and is naturally cautious. This caution might be also why during Soviet times it treated the other "buffer" republics poorly and those independent republics are Russia's biggest critics. Ukrainians and Russians are almost identical ethnically. In the last 15 years Ukrainians, mostly western Ukraine, have desired to adopt a more Western European culture. This is at odds with many Ukrainians living in the far eastern side.
I believe that Ukraine could have achieved most of its ambitions if it followed the old Yugoslavian model of foreign relations. The model is to be neutral and to develop economic ties with both Russia and the West. They would still have joined the EU, but would not have any need to join NATO as it would have coordinal relationship with Russia. If they used this model after their independence, they would still have Crimea. If your country is bordering your self-created enemy, you will never achieve real security or prosperity. You have to have good relations with your neighbors.
Good answer. I think you are a very sensible person, need to find more balance in this world
I don't think the Ukrainians had a real choice. They were always inclined to follow your logic at the polls. But the first time in 2004 they were imposed the anti-Russian way by forcing an illegal 3rd round of voting because people voted "wrong" the previous time.
In the next election people still voted for a conditionally pro-Russian candidate, in reality just not anti-Russian. When he refused to sign an economically unfavorable treaty with the EU, he had a coup d'état. After which there was a purge of all pro-Russian and pro-neutral politicians. Both subsequent presidents won elections with pro-neutral rhetoric, instantly becoming anti-Russian radicalized immediately after winning the election.
Naive
LOL, you are forgetting the NATO backed Coup of Ukraine in 2014
@@ayami123 You should learn to read.
The dissolution of the Soviet Union has propelled the US to become the unipolar world power able to control every corner of the world. Architects of US foreign policy then decided they can have unlimited access to the vast resources of the former Soviet territories of Eurasia n Ukraine is the most important piece of their Eurasian chessboard.
Yes. And that was so aggressive and condescending. Because the fall of USSR wasn't meant to make Russia a more pathetic country on the global stage. It was seen as a step towards peace, and greater prosperity by Russia. But USA thought that they "defeated" their main opponent, and can now dictate Russia what to do, ignoring it's interests. In other words, they had this plan all along, and only wanted to betray USSR. So of course this will result in a new cold war. It is clear now that the USA won't stop, until they control everything, and put themselves above all competition. They could only lie and manipulate, but never be friends with anyone.
@@Disorder2312 the US already has an entire eco system in place to ensure they can dominate the world till eternity, but even the best laid plans can go awry and their ability to bend n shape the world to serve their own interests is weakening. US imperialism is clearly in decline and this is what makes them more dangerous
@@Disorder2312 At the expense of all the other countries that left the forced Union as soon as it was possible. What a hellhole.
In the near future the USA will control the entire star system we currently live in
In my country the support definitely lean towards Russia. Social media posts and comments overwhelmingly support Russia, while support for Ukraine/NATO is very hard to find. Its interesting for me because we never have a close relation with Russia. My conclusion is it was not because we view Russia as the good side, but more because the Ukraine side is supported by US led NATO, which my people saw as a proven trouble maker around the world. As the war goes on and my people learn and learn more about what really cause the conflict, the support for Russia grew and people start to see Russia as the good side. I'm from SEA btw.
Thank you for your reply. May there be peace.
Your people support a Nazi regime? What the fuck is wrong with them?
Yep...I live in Vietnam..you can ask peoples here, I mean majority peoples in Lao, Cambodia, Myanmar and Indonesia.
Take a moment and look at history. Russia invaded everyone around long since before NATO or USA existed. The NATO excuse for Russia gets old really fast
@@well9179As a Eurooean living in a small country that has been exteremy anti US from time to time (Vietnam war very much), I see Russia as the US in the Ukraine war. Ukraine is Vietnam.
Great video. Very thought provoking. I know this as my original comment was about 2 pages long haha.
ha. thank you for your support. may we find peace
Oh, thank you for your job!
Thank you for watching! May we find peace forward together.
To those who question Chinese literacy, according to many worldwide surveys, the Chinese population is among the most educated and literacy level among the highest in the world. However, it seems education does not guarantee wisdom. Just look at the percentage of war supporters among the graduates in the USA. The available unfiltered news and well-informed sources make for better wisdom.
may there be peace
Education doesnt guarantee awareness about the world. Add the great firewall and you get what you get. Chinese people live in a bubble, and they get fed with propaganda. At least there is no firewall in Russia and smart people can cross check the news
Educated and indoctrinated are two different things :)
@@S3l3ct1ve Intelligent people are stupid too.
@@S3l3ct1ve educated with status in totalitarian society has most to loose, higher up you are you support the party line more or it is end of you and higher up you are, more aware of it you are. It doesn't really mean you don't understand the things you are not able to show it as it would be suicidal for you, but at the end its suicidal for totalitarian regime in long run.
less educated people simply believe narratives supporting their emotion without reasoning (except reasoning which is presented to them and which just support the belief and emotion). Emotions used are hatred, injustice, blame and enforcing belief of moral and cultural superiority
ie.: warning the western countries about supporting weapons to UA as it is unfair and that it should be ok for China to support ru with weapons too when not mentioning it getting more control over ru resources and economy when ru looses and that if it start sending weapons to ru then west will give up on Chinese export on which Chinese economy is absolutely dependant (mentioning threat of consequence to others when not mentioning consequences of its potential actions to its people) -> it cannot send weapons to ru and it cannot afford conflict with the west as it own economy is dependant on it (there is no 'China' to support China as it is in case of ruSSia)
on the other point ruSSia dreaming about bipolar world order is getting it a bit for while , just not as it wished it to be (it is now west and China where ruSSia playing second violin - soon ru will not be able to pay china for goods, and soon manufacturing will move out of China due cost, instability and to secure independence from threatening imperialistic regime, it already started as India and Mexico are better options with cheaper qualified labour)
commies are on last breath - they know it, just cannot afford to show it (and they did it to themselves alone by thinking they are in charge of others, each western country in contrast is only in charge of itself and not aspiring to be in charge of other country)
The moment you realise you're talking to a closed minded person who cannot be reasoned with, stop trying. Why frustrate yourself and make a new enemy? Been through that... I'm in agreement with the points you've brought up. Subscribed to hear more of your analysis.
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This was not an analysis just a presentation of chinese point of view. Which may be true but it comes from a country that is imperialistic and wants to take over the world.
Why? Because once dialogue dies the world does too! And you need to let your ideas be challanged or risk living in your own brain bubble. I disagree with the chinese stance 100% but i understand why they think that way! Because i know enough about history to see their point of view.
@@mycardbrokedown5699 thank you. may there be peace
@@mycardbrokedown5699 Is true, but there are exceptions, if a person is as OP describes then you should do indeed what he tells. Been there myself bunch of times. Some people might even be willing to physically hurt you or God forbid, kill you over things one may say. So...... As Jesus said, '' Don't throw your pearls before swine, so they might trample it underfoot and turn around and attack you.''
Thank you. It is always good to try and get an understanding of what the people on the street think, regardless whether I agree or disagree with them.
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Why no links in the description for these surveys? I would think that would be pretty important !
apology, I think you can type in google search, basically front page for sure.
i wish you a lot of patience. You comment section greatly demonstrate and support what you talked about in a video. Good luck! Support from Israel!😊
I appreciate that! Thank you for your support buddy!
Congratulation. Your work is more valuable for all of us that you think, we need to know the point of view of chinese people. Even more, I have an specific way of political thinking that is supposed to be the same of your political rulers, it's because I'm expect your second video.
I would like to help your aoutcome with a slight tecnical tip, please take care of the focus of your camera, it will improve the video and help the peple with old eyes as mine. Thank you very much 🙂
At the very begining of Ukraine war , many Chinese people were shocked by the news that Russian army attacking Ukraine. naturally , most of the Chinese want a ceasefire, and many people disagree with war. I had a few Ukrainian and Russian friends in China, often met in coffee shop, most of them are students from the same university in my city. Actually , the Russian students and Ukrainian students often hanged out together, looks very close friends to each other, and they speak the same language. 2 years later, after having so many info from western media and Chinese media, I would agree Russia was forced to get into the war in Ukraine, and I think diplomatic talk is the first stage to lead a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia, and Europen countries and China and US shall participate the peace talk and guarantee a long term security assurrance, a UN peace army might be needed to station inbetween Russia and Ukraine for a couple of years.
I appreciate the way you explained the chinese way of thinking and the way of looking at the conflict in Ukraine. Very illuminating.
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
My take away from this is that Chinese people seem to generally agree that 'might is right', which actually reflects their lived experience, i.e. small people do not get a vote (given the attitude that smaller nations must moderate their wishes when there are 'bigger guys' around). I think the positioning of Nato vs Russia/China is not correct, it is actually democracy Vs autocracy. When US invades other nations it is always on the basis of undoing 'autocracy' (sure there are always subtexts of profit making, just as Russia want's Ukraines resources, but philisophically it is democracy vs autocracy). Russia now is invading to apply 'autocracy'. The Chinese simply see 'autocracy' as their model, so they are comfortable with Russia's invasion.
This is western propaganda and a false reasoning. There is no democracy in Ukraine, nor any countries of NATO. Russia is invading because Ukraine's actions were seen as a declaration of war.
You can ask the global south democracy country who's not under heavy influence of Western Propaganda to see if they think this is democracy vs autocracy. Ask india if this is democracy vs autocracy. Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
@@WindSpiritZ India itself is said to be in a slide toward autocratic rule, has relied on Russia (previously USSR) for military hardware for many decades and is greatly benefiting from discounted Russian fuel. I imagine these things substantially color a lot of Indian's views on the US, NATO, Ukraine matter.
Although it is a multifaceted matter and the US can be incredibly self-serving when it comes to foreign policy - many countries who were previously Soviet states do seem to favor democracy! Perhaps the biggest failure of the US NATO alliance, was to stick the boot in by not embracing policies that would support Russia economically at the point of the breakup of the USSR. Instead of offering a hand up (as was the case for Japan & Germany) they chose to allow Russia to fall into political & social chaos and to be crippled economically.
@@amplifiedlight You don't seem to realize that democracy has always been the biggest lie. A country that wants to be democratic becomes too weak to defend itself against colonialism, and that's how it gets occupied. This is most clearly seen in how they call Ukraine democratic, a country with cancelled elections that forces it's citizens to hate and fight Russia, because their government thinks it's justified. Democracy never meant anything to them, but serving American interests.
Smart and deep!
thank you for watching!
could and tried to go into depth with this comment multiple times but failed, got drunk playing poker, won twice and called it a night. love you all and thanks for all the fish
congratz on your wins. Thanks for watching! May we find peace
Thanks!
Thanks you so much! If you have questions, let me know.
@@WindSpiritZ You are welcome, thank you!
New question- How many people living in a country without elections answer surveys the way that people in power want them to?
I will answer your question in my new video, which will be going up in 15 hours
You mean USA has elections?
That's a strange question, that seems to have something unspoken, but obvious, behind it.
@@vipermad358 obvious point, yes. Profound? Unfortunately yes.
The question is actually: How many people living in countries where they are exposed to daily blunt propaganda think in a way how the people in power want them to think?
Applied to your case that means: Such pitiful people have no clue of the Chinese electoral system and expose their narrow-minded opinions to public 🤷
Confucius was once asked by one of his students, if there is only one word that we should abide by all through our lives, what would that be? Confucius answered "Understanding (this is just my translation, may not be perfect)". This is the major difference between Chinese and American. It is always "We" in Chinese thoughts, while there is ONLY "Me" in American's.
Meanigless generalization wtih little to no sustain in the real world.
The US fought a civil war to end slavery. Where do you see the "me" there? Slavery in China was only banned in 1910. We? That's a quite recent "we".
The US helped the world get rid of Japanese and nazi brutality. Including China and Russia. That was the second time in the century it saved Europe from bloody wars. Where is the "me" and the "we"?
The US were instrumental in ending the apartheid regime in South Africa. Time and again tried to make peace in Israel and Palestine. Freed Kuwait from invading Iraq. Defended Europe from Soviet/communist imperialism. Stoped the mass-murdering/genocide by Servia in Yugoslavia...
Without American investment, today China would still be an under-developed world. Where is the Chinese "understanding" of this basic fact? "We" in China means "the Chinese and Chinese only" - quite scary for a country that claims to be different... Confucius must be jumping in his grave...
A good point to remember concerning the right of countries to defend themselves from invasion as Cuba asserted in the early 1960's. However, since Taiwan is not an independent nation-state or country like Cuba or the PRC, this does not apply to Taiwan or the non-sovereign entity known as the ROC which does not have title to the territory of Taiwan.
You probably meant “mutual understanding” with is a single or compounded word in some languages.
@@LeandroAndrus-fn4pt Understanding is not a synonym for approval.
@@chickenlover657 What are you even talking about?
Excellent podcast! Thank you for the TRUTH!!
Thanks for watching! May we find peace moving forward.
I appreciate your critical thinking and the analysis!
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
I'm surprised by how well informed Chinese people are
Not that well informed! Israel is not in NATO 😂
I could be wrong, but from what I understand. China has its own internet and a vast majority of western/the internet you normally think of is blocked and can be in legal trouble for using without state permission.
So any Chinese citizen making content on TH-cam, is either state approved/state employed or they no longer live in China.
If I had to guess with zero knowledge of this person or his channel (and I don't mean any of this in a negative way) he isn't living in China
@@MTDurkee On paper, Chinese law definitely states that accessing banned websites is illegal. However, VPN exists and many Chinese netizens (especially of the younger generations) have been using them without any consequences. If you know Chinese and follow some Chinese TH-cam channels of any category (gaming, music, etc.) you will be amazed at how many people active in those communities live in mainland China.
just found your chanel now. already subscribed. congratulations for the content thanks for the rich informations. cheers from brasil!!!!!
Thanks and welcome. I hope I won't let you down
One more thing about surveys, not sure if it was mentioned, when taking people with different level of education it is also important to take into account that educated portion of population is probably older on average, whose opinion differs from younger folk in my experience (I am Russian)
well... there was a culture revolution and poverty in the 1940s to 19070s. So older in China doesn't really mean more educated. Thanks for watching, may we find peace forward
@@WindSpiritZ agreed, thanks for the reply
Many of us here in the West also see NATO as a tool of US/EU imperialism, in UKR and elsewhere, but you wouldn't know it from our media. There's an anti-war movement that didn't happen in response to US/NATO involvement in UKR, and no one seems interested in that phenomenon. We've got lots of "leftism" in the form of new social rules formulated and enforced by a would-be "progressive" bourgeoisie, but no anti-war movement. Is the former intended to prevent the latter?
Love your videos, by the way. Great info, great analysis. The more perspectives, the better...
Thanks for watching! May we find peace moving forward.
Russia started the war in 2014, the 2022 was continuation, because USA and EU elites are week and pathetic. Putin declared intentions about rebuilding USSR/Russia Empire in 2007. If you are antiwar stop Putin and his attacks.
Many of you in the West should check out what the folks in Central Europe think, who have direct experience of the Russian boot
Seems Chinese are more realistic in their views of the Ukraine war. They are not the only ones who think this way though. Guys like John Meirsheimer also argue similar points. I think there’s a lot of truth in these viewpoints, while not necessarily the full picture. However they have become politically incorrect in the West. You have to brave to utter these viewpoints in public in the West.
Well we are probably close to half a million lives into this war, it's good to give alternative opinions a chance. thank you for your reply
Jeffrey Sachs, Douglas MacGregor, and Yanis Varoufakis are some of the people with great insights and actual western government experiences, that are great sources of information.
@@DubboU thank you for your info. They are interesting indeed
Having watched the Donbass since 2014, 90% of this war is one of Ukrainian choice. They aren't stupid or mentally incapable. This national baptism by blood is something that has been spoken about in Ukrainian nationalist circles since forever. Guys like Dymytro Korchynsky talked about sending children to the front line in order to learn to endure shelling and to hate the Russian. On Azov twitter they opine about how Russia has to attack Kiev again in order to drive recruitment numbers up so they don't have to keep black vanning people off the street. As you have seen throughout history, what matters less to nationalist ideologues are not the lives of their people but the birth of their national idea, burned into the national consciousness through blood, and in this way this is the final piece of the ethnogenesis that they (re)started since 1991. Ukraine has always been an anti-Russian project and this is a grudge match that has been brewing since ww2 when the Ukrainian insurgent army got suppressed by the Red Army.
Of the scholars cited in the prior posts, maybe only Jeffrey Sachs is worthy of any respect and sympathy. Mearsheimer is a lolcow living in an alternate reality where he thinks it's possible to use Russia as a meat shield against China (while also weaponizing European nationalisms to chop Russia down to size), and MacGregor is one of the worst infohazards in z-space where he glosses over many of the issues that Russia has had to overcome and constantly copes about how this slow war of attrition is one of choice because Russia, according to him, is stronger than it has ever been. The war of attrition is a choice only because the war effort has to be balanced by maintaining a domestic economy under the most intense sanctions regime outside of North Korea. It has to be on a budget.
Finally, the reason why many Chinese, one assumes, support Russia, especially educated ones, is because they fully grasp the geopolitical configuration the world is in right now. Russia is China's strategic depth, and China is Russia's strategic depth. People are genuinely unaware of how much assistance China has provided to the war effort, and it is probably preferable to keep many of these aspects on the DL.
@@DubboU you are absolutely a Nazi if your so delusional to think that.
Yes, May we find a path to Peace together.
Goes to show how much the public opinion is based on the states narrative. And I don’t limit that to China. Also what I find surprising how so little people blame the one who physically started the war.
you can find some answer in the Elite video I just posted. Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
My comments to the small groups of Chinese college and higher educated individuals surveyed blaming on the US and NATO for the Russia Ukraine war but disagree with the Russians invasion.
Well they may be politically correct but to Russia, they have to face the reality of their borders problems.
Hence, invasion or not, will be problematic to Russia as no matters what decisions they made will not bode well.
It’s like the situations in the current China Taiwan issues.
If Taiwan declares independence, China will have no choice but to take control of her territorial integrity by whatever means.
Hence, the US should uphold her one China policy and stopped doing what they have been doing in line with their memorandum of agreement on the Taiwan issues.
Aren’t these exactly the same in Ukraine? If the US and NATO did not do what they have been doing as well as, Boris Johnson had not interfered 32:28 in their peace negotiations in Turkey?
For goodness sakes, US, do not create problems and then shifting the blames on others when you’re the real culprits.
What,how is the US is accountable for this(i mean they technical are) . The entire thing started in 2014 because ucraine wanted to start a economic partnership With EU ,that partnership was withdrawn by the president yanukovich hence the Euromaidan happened,In that same time the occupation of crimea started and the conflict was frozen up until 2022. Putin saw the right opportunity to try because he did take Georgia,Chechnya and Crimea without any consequences except few sanctions,that combined with the 2020 capital hill incident and the US retirement from Afganistan Putin saw the declining power of the US to try his luck with Ukraine.
The only thing US is to blame is for ditching China after WW2 and allowing communists to win. This is the biggest tragedy in Chinese history
The second part is so on point. Having the right to do something doesn't make it automatically being wise or beneficial.
thank you for watching
It was very interesting to hear the Chinese point of view on the Ukraine war, and also illuminating to hear the various reasons behind it. One thing I find refreshing about Chinese with whom I have discussed issues with previously is their opinions are very plainly expressed and they are never constrained by political correctness. You always know what they think whether you like it or not. As you mentioned Professor John Meirsheimer has provided very helpful historical perspective in understanding the root causes of the war.
Thanks for watching! May we find peace moving forward.
I know many Americans who can't find Russia on a map...
T_T .
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Some Americans know the difference between Austria and Australia.
As in they confuse Russia with Singapore or Argentina? I mean I can understand not knowing where the Gambia is, or Switzerland but Russia is enormous and fairly unmissable.
@@MrBlaxjax I was a kid during the Vietnam was I knew guys that never looked on a may to see where they were going...
You have made good points at the end of the video. If one asks europeans to judge recent war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, with same heavy losses and humiliation in relation to the population of the countries, they will answer that the conflict was not properly covered by European media and they simply don't care. Majority will not be able even to find these two countries on map, answer in which is a democracy and in which is de-facto hereditary monarchy. Though these countries are also two former ex-Soviet republics, same as Ukraine and Russia. If tomorrow it will break out a hypothetical war between say Pakistan and India, or between India and China and dozens of millions will die, europeans and their media will simply not pay same attention (if pay at all) and continue follow only the ongoing war in Ukraine.
thank you for your reply and support, many interesting issues I can discuss here in the future.
you are right. But they are paying very much interest to the conflict in Israel, even being on the wrong side, as its explosive potential is higher than Ukraine.
I need to remind you of the Western mindset about what justice enforcement is. We tend to keep our mouths shut if we don't know much about the issue. It may appear as apathy but it's in a sense a form of letting the rightful jurors make the decisions (who must initially be ignorant but will be freshly informed and filled in with the evidence and testimonies of witnesses).
Then there's the *circumscribing* of the scope of what *OTHER* issues are brought into the discussion. *No* distraction is to be allowed. We specifically have judges to rule whether other evidence or witnesses can be brought in to a trial based upon their being germaine or not.
In the case of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, there's the Budapest Memorandum stating that Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity will be guaranteed by the parties involved. Russia betrayed its duty to protect and preserve the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. Russia's Foreign Minister, Lavrov himself signed that document representing the Russian Federation.
Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan said to the conflict with Azerbaijan: "..can no longer rely on Russia as its main defense and military partner because Moscow has repeatedly let it down so Yerevan must think about forging closer ties with the United States and France" .. think about this as part of discussion about Russia and how they are taken by even former "allies"
@@zdenek75a Pashinyan is a big idiot, did you not know what he did?
Thanks for the info! It's somewhat disappointing, but not surprising. Now it's more concrete to me.
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That’s a lot of work, thank you! Greetings from Ukraine
Sorry about what happen in your country. Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
Well done! The prefatory remarks were necessary and will be awkward to present for most people. I sympathize with the frustration of getting people to view things from a different perspective that may reveal how the USA has set very bad examples and been hypocritical regarding invasion, illegal annexation under international law and the authority of the ICC to prosecute war crimes. In terms of international law, however, there is an obverse side to the argumentative coin that examines the civil wars in China and Ukraine looking at how far right elements have been used and the war crimes committed by the ROC on Taiwan from 1945 to 1952 and beyond to 2024 as an occupying power on Taiwan without legal title to Taiwan. There was a U.S. general in Burma whose comments on Chairman Chiang and the Chinese civil war are interesting when looking at the breakdown of democracy in Ukraine where right wing elements voted with bullets. Under the international laws adhered to by the principal occupying power of Japan, the U.S.A. it is illegal to declare sovereignty over occupied territory over which one does not have legal title. This is as applicable in Crimea and parts of Ukraine as in Taiwan regardless of whether approved or not by upper and lower houses of parliament. Furthermore, promulgating a constitution in occupied territory that one does not have title to, conscripting the inhabitants of occupied territory, and moving citizens of the homeland into occupied territory are all WAR CRIMES under international law.
May there be peace.
The Bully cries the loudest
You mean like calling the Ukrainians nazis? You mean like whining about russophobia? I forgot it is ok when they do it.
@@danglingondivineladders3994yes, the invader is very cunning
They seem to be confused about what NATO is. Just because countries that are NATO members decide to do something doesn’t mean that NATO did it. It means that those individual countries did it.
If NATO protects them, then it shares responsibility for what they did. What's so hard to understand? 🤦♂
If tomorrow NATO country will launch an attack on Russia, then it's going to be a war of NATO against Russia, not an individual country. Because that would force Russia to invade a NATO member.
Have you read / seen The Economic Hitman?
some of those topics will get my channel removed.... thank you for watching! may we find peace forward
One thing i want to say, Ukraine used to have a democratically elected government that was pro-Russia, however the CIA came in and overthrew that government. This means that the government’s stance is not the stance of the people.
Hmm... yes... but barely anyone knew about Victoria Nuland etc in China until she quitted her job a month ago. So it will be inaccurate for me to put those CIA stuff as a mainstream Chinese view of Ukraine.
It wasn't pro-Russia, it was neutral which is what Russia asked for anyway.
@@WindSpiritZ 纽兰的名字在2014年之后就开始常见于国内新闻了。
@@user-rz4dx5ut8h 我覺得還是政治發燒友才了結的一個人，普通百姓認知不高
Nope.
The so-called "pro-Russia" governement had been elected on the basis of its promises of favouring ties with the EU. Ukrainians felt betrayed when it swiched towards fascist Russia - mostly the young, who massively wanted to join the EU.
If there was any CIA influence, trust me, there was even more from the Russian equivalent. In the end, people decided in new, free elections, without a puppet of Putin. Zelensky was elected democrately and stands by the promises on which he was elected.
NATO doesnt expanse like some ppl think, russian neighbors apply to be a member cause they are afraid of Russia. And second the serbs delivered Milosevic to DenHaag, it wasnt NATO-troops who captured him. What does it say about the war in yugoslavia?
This is not true, the Baltic countries joined NATO when Russia was in its worst condition, did not pose a threat and tried to cooperate with Europe and America, tried to become part of the EU and even tried to join NATO too, but the United States refused.
Immediately after joining NATO, new military bases with new weapons lines aimed at Russia began to be built along Russia's borders, when Russia asked why you were doing this, the USA and EU replied, I quote, "we are doing this to protect ourselves from Iran", later they also said “for protection from North Korea.” What a joke.
Then there was the further expansion of NATO, when Georgia refused to cooperate with NATO and Europe, they received a coup aka revolution, sponsored directly from abroad by various funds, after which Georgia tried to recapture uncontrolled territories in South Ossetia, after training with NATO troops, and they lost.
Armenia and Ukraine also refused to cooperate and they also received coups, in Ukraine the main driving force were nationalists literally using the swastikas and other symbols of your homeland from the Second World War, and all your countries ardently supported them, because they were against Russia.
@@MrSkoresh what nonsense. There are no NATO nuclear bombs more westwards than the old West-Germany, not even in East-Germany there are nuclear weapons! This was fixed by treaty and not even Putin says NATO has got nukes in Poland or the baltic states. Anti-air missiles are for defence and yes it was against Iran. Russia has still always the option to attack us with their nuclear subs. Russias capabilities to destroy our cities was never threatened by NATO. For sure not by 5 or 10 defensive anti air missiles in Poland.
Hello! I’m from Russia and it was so much interesting to get an opinion from China on our situation. Thank you!
Also I didn't find the second video.
It's the newest video
Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward.
Very interesting.
thanks for watching and your support!
I totally agree with many points raised. You have to understand that Europeans believe in a sense of entitlement. The World belongs to them and they are superior to everyone else. On one hand they say they criticise Russia for invading Ukraine and Ukraine is fighting a just fight. On the other hand they arm another invader in Isteal and say they stand by him. They then say Russia is blackmailing with Nuclear weapons which is same thing Isreal is doing. They form a military alliance and when Russia complains of not coming to my backyard, Russia has no right to complain. USA however will not allow any nation bring weapons to their backyard as in Cuban crisis. For me, Russia is teaching the world how to stand up to bullies
Agree with you. For many Europeans, this issue is ideological and very emotional. Most of them subscribe to "woke" values even though there are internal contradictions in such 'values'. Combined with the sense of entitlement you mentioned, the Europeans are unable to think rationally. Even some Americans are more rational than these zomb1es.
That's so absurd it's not even funny. Invading smaller and weaker neighbours is in your opinion great example of standing up to a bully? What the hell, man?
What the hell dude,were are talking about nations you can’t put your emotion on this thing. Also how is Putin stand up against a bully by invading a smaller nation with basically no army(before 2014) when Russia literally did the same with Georgia and Chechnya,and all the occupation in middle east if you consider the URRS era
@@Pyrokan You got it all wrong. You need to get yr information outside msinstream media. When 31 nations gang up and form a milirary alliance and Russia sorry not Putin is the only one that can stand up to them, that isnt emotions. Ukraine has allowed itself to be used and is no innocent party. NATO cam bomb weak and defeceless countries like Serbia, Libya yet they lie that they are a defece alliance. Perhaps you are not aware there was an agreement between Russia and Ukraine with stamp of UN but the bullies told Ukraine dont honour it we will give u weapons and sanction Russia, then Russia will collapse Then we can go in and steal Russia's resources and no one will stand up to us. Russia has proved them wrong. Thank u for standing up to the Bullies
@@ilnumero1234 why is it possible for a bully to invade wherever he wants and arrange orange revolutions? Someone has to stop this shit.
No agency given to Ukraine in this video, it's all about Russian and US interests. Do Ukraine not have the right to have it's international borders and peace respected? This viewpoint is abhorrent.
The answer is no.
In the mind of the big country (China) subduction and suppremacy of the big nation toward the smaller is ok.... and a smaller country seeking their own defense is not right - unless it is Russia and China.
Ukraine does have rights, but its fate its decided by the US alliance ("West") or Russia. Its agency is constrained by the great powers. Hence people need to know how the power politics of great powers play since it decides not only the fate of Ukraine, but many other smaller countries in the world.
Ukraine could have played smart as Turkey does, using its geography and historic experience to prosper while having working relations with both Russia and the West. But it chose to destroy all the traces of Russian culture in its region. It was a mistake. So now it does not have a say in this unfortunately.
It's not a discussion of weather Ukraine should have it or not,
This simply shows in people's views that is US is controlling Ukraine.
Your problem is that you think ideologically. How you d like the world to be; not how it is.
US and Europe created an opportunity for China to grow as big as it is. If China would be more friendly with US and Europe, I think it would be an awesome alliance
If you see the world as a moral problem as opposed to realistically, you cannot expect realist answers.
very true. Thanks for watching! May we find peace forward .
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I think you are honest and pragmatic. This is refreshing.
may there be peace
China will never step on a dime over a dollar. Sometimes stepping on more than 10 dimes is worthy of effort.
100 years of humiliation did a lot of damage
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The world needs better leadership, far to many wars that destroy countries...Ukraine and Palestine are being reduced to rubble, millions dead, and the countries are destroyed for at least 1 or more generations...great suffering for the people. Has the human race not evolved beyond this?
It is really pretty easy to see how these wars start, poor leadership that cannot adapt and evolve to do what is best for the people.
thank you for your reply. It's going to be a rough decade.
many sacrifices and died in order to keep the one of their choice continue to be in power!!
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Fool - 傻， as in foolish, unwise, naive, foolhardy
thank you.
Immature (like a teenager)?
Very good channel and feeling the same as most Chinese
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Well I appreciate you said that some of these opinions are not your own they are predicated on factually interact things
Normal people everywhere around the world don't think too deep*. thanks for watching!
My perspektive to Ukraine is very simple, they got to win their freedom.
I am now retired international truckdriver, as a young person, I haven`t got any meaning about Russia, but by driving in the former Sovjet states as Poland, Tjekkoslovakia, Lituania, Estonia and Latvia, I experienced how Russia exploited these countries and really bullied them, dispite it was supposed to be their allied. I comes from a democrasy in Denmark and to see how personal freedom was removed chocked me. Some years later the countries began to break free and I felt it as a duty to help them in the proces much as possible, when russia tried even harder to bulli them. I began smuggling stuff inside their countries they needed, with my truck, this was not without risk, I have been shot at and etc, when russia tried even harder to bulli them. So in around 15 years I build up very big hate to the russians. Now it is the Ukrainians who will break out of russian influence, It made russia so mad so they took Crimea back with millitary force, the west was very much sleeping at this stage, But in Minsk the western leaders negotiated a peace deal with russia, not to take more land, when our foreignminister walked out from the meeting he recieved rapports from our own intelligense, that some soldiers without marks on them was making trouble in the eastern Ukraine, this was Wagner groups. So as usual you can`nt trust russia, finally the west learned this lesson. When Ukraine required help after the full blown invasion, our leaders provided it, as I would have done. Unfortunately the west has underestimated russias will to suffer russian lifes on this, we gave the Ukrainians old weapens, no planes, no long range missiles and told them furthermore not to use it on russian territorie, how should they ever win.
Well 2 years have gone, the russians controls only 20% of Ukraine and the Black sea is free from russian warships, so they are doing just fine.
I really hope the west will support better, we got the weapens to drive russia back and naturally Ukraine can enter Nato after the war.
If Russia wants security zones, they are more than welcome to make them, inside russia, they got plenty of land very few citizens.
I hope big nations as the US will stop talking about Ukraine and russia, just deliver whats needed, no one in the US can imagine what people in the former sovjet states feels about the situation, nore can Chinese or anybody else.
To bring the war in gasa in it, was Putins idea, just before hamas attacked Israel he was meeting with hamas, I can not feel anything for gasa, they allowed terrorrists inside gasa, when you take such a decision, you should know it will go one way to hell.
I hope I have explained a short life long experience around russia, it is not be agressive we made nato, it is simply to protect ourselves against the terror state russia really are.
What people in Africa and other places thinks about russia, has no matter for me, I will just warn them to let russia inside their countries.
Thank you for a informative video that inspired me to tell my story.
Thank you so much for your story. It is important for us all to keep and open mind and smooth communication. I have spent over 3000 hours since the war began talking to Scandinavian. Mainly Finnish because I worked with them for over 10 years. It is definitely difficult for us to understand each other's perspective and reach an agreement. My humble opinion is that geopolitics is a complicated subject, the deeper you go, the more difficult to tell right from wrong. However, what is easier to agree upon, is the decision and consequence. Ukrainian need to understand they are next to Russia, God put them there, not their fault. And decisions come with cost, Europeans need to understand the cost* of achieving whatever goal it is aiming to achieve. Often, it is better to find way to peace and let the wound heal by itself over decades rather than insisting a certain outcome, which can be catastrophic.
Thank you for your feedback again. Let me know if you have any questions.
Should people of Donbass win their freedom too?
@@alexander3025 There's a certain mindset in Europe that everyone want to get away from Russia, the ones that don't, Russian included, are brainwashed. Very difficult to get them out of that rabbit hole.
@@WindSpiritZ I think it is time for people of Europe and the USA to understand that they have the strongest propaganda machine ever built. The thought itself that propaganda is something only Russia or China do effectively, can't cease to amaze me.
@@alexander3025 technology wise I think China is on part with the west in terms of propaganda. But China is not using it to sow hatre at the moment, but just to distract public. thank you for your response.
I think the guy you quoted was wrong to say that Europeans think their problems are the worlds problems but the worlds problems are not Europes problems. As a swede and European. I agree that one attack on a democratic country is an attack on all democracies but it doesnt matter where in the world it is. If South Korea (a democratic country) was attacked by North Korea (a dictatorship) we would help South Korea. Same with Taiwan. Same with Ukraine.
And Russias imperialism is different from what some people accuse USA of. Last time USA was imperialist in the sense that Russia is imperialist roday was in the 1800s when they took states from Mexico. Iraq isnt a US state and the iraqis are today quite divided if the US invasion was good or bad. But in Ukraine today everyone is united against Russia, even most ethnic russians living in Ukraine are hating Russia. Thats a difference. South Korea wouldnt exist today if it wasnt for what some people call "US imperialism".
Hi, Thank you for your respond. Respect your perspective. I also chat over 3000 hours with my friends in Finland since I worked with them for 10 years. It is indeed most difficult talking to Scandinavia on this matter. Judging by what you said here, I think we have alot of catching up to do. I live in US right now, and most Americans see themselves more or less an empire. And I do not the world can be simply divide by political system. Not that black and white, it is however difficult to converting philosophical issue. But let's see, maybe you are one of the more open minded swede out there.
I'm just copying pasting an American's responses on another video of mine
@WindSpiritZ Mearsheimer is an American Exceptionalist and a liberal leaning neocon. A Russia dove and China hawk. He wont admit it, but he understands the US is a hegemon and our system depends on domination, expropriation and exploitation. We are dependent on finding new cheap resources and cheap labor, and when i say cheap i mean pennies on the dollar. So we start wars. Every war that we've entered ostensibly to spread democracy and freedom can be explained in terms of stealing resources and destroying civilizations to ensure a global supply of dirt cheap labor. Mearsheimers "con" is calling China a "great power" and equating the Chinese motivations with our motivations. It's "great power politics". We're in an existential struggle of us vs them. We must stop China's rise militarily and economically by any means necessary or they will destroy our civilization first. That's a lie. The truth is that China is not imperialist. China does not think in zero-sum or win-lose outcomes. China believes in peaceful coexistence and devising systems to promote common prosperity and a bigger pie and greater abundance and peace and prosperity for the entire world
one of the biggest complain I have with Scandinavians are that they are too isolated. They almost lack the geopolitical common sense, compare to for example Turkish. In those geopolitical hotspot regions, your entire race will get wipe out if foolish decisions were make. Not everyone can afford naive ideologies. Reality is cruel
@@WindSpiritZ I would agree with that american you quoted that China is not so aggresive and start wars. I'm also divided if the USA was right to intervene in Iraq or elsewhere. Except defensive wars where they helped allies such as Korean or Vietnam war. If South Vietnam was successfully defended it could be like South Korea today which is alot freer than North Korea.
However, I think that nowadays and from now on, USA will try not to invade countries like in the 90s and early 00s because of the experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that both Republicans and Democrats are critical towards the invasions. However defending Europe in ww2 and defending Ukraine now is a good thing. The nordics, Poland and Baltics are big supporters of Ukraine since we have had more experience with Russia. We didnt join NATO to threaten Russia, we joined it because we felt threatened. Russia has no reason to fear us and in the best of worlds Ukraine would be a nato member just like the baltics are and there would be peace.
As a Serb I definitely agree with Chinese perspective. NATO is definitely not a defensive alience but is in fact one of the rooth causes of this war. I have been trying to find some Chinese geopolitical analysts before but none of them spoke English so I am very glad I found this channel that gives Chinese perspective.
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Chinese know real history & they really use their brains to analyse
thank you for your reply and support
This is about the exact opposite of the truth. Most of them know propaganda stories, not history, and have never been allowed to view a second point of view and systematically made apathetic to politics and history. They largely repeat propaganda slogans uncritically because their authoritarian dictator stunts their mental growth.
That is a nice joke . Chinese were killed by Mao in the cultural revolution. What you have today have no link to ancient Chinese wisdom. It is a body of china , with the brain programmed by Marx , from west , and admirers of capitalist America, seeking to be another America. Stop using the word " Chinese " that has returned to the soil
I doubt they know "real" history at all, the history represented there is of CCP dictation. If you think they know what happens beyond their borders then you might lack what you praise in Chinese capacity to analyse.
Chinese have no access to information, they are barely literate, they believe in conspiracy theories, and will believe whatever the propaganda tells them.
Perfectly understandable. Thank you for putting this together. It's not my viewpoint, but I see were the Chinese opinion comes from more clearly. I would be shocked if it was any other way :) I'm coming at Russia/Ukraine from an anecdotal perspective - where the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact (which included Ukraine at the time) once surrounded and invaded my former country with 200,000 troops and 5,000 tanks for the crime of simply proposing a popular "Market Socialism" economic model for my former country - similar to what Yugoslavia already had at the time. I see Ukraine being a repeat performance attempt, on the part of Russia. I also feel that Russia has done an exceptional job, through propaganda channels, to make smaller countries throughout the Global South feel that the only thing keeping them from living in paradise is the influence of the United States (which gives an "out" to their own corrupt authoritarian regimes).
thanks for watching. history is complicated, keep an open mind on different opinions
On the contrary, I don't think Russia's propaganda work is done well.
Firstly, we all know that English is the most widely used language in the world, and it is very strong. I am Chinese, and I often consult some English materials related to CS in my work normally, but what makes me disgusted is that even in purely academic places, there will occasionally be links requiring support for Ukraine and donating to Ukraine. Combining with the appearance of a Ukrainian-Japanese person as the champion in the Japanese beauty contest and the appearance of the movie "20 Days in Mariupol" winning Oscar awards, those English-speaking countries use their powerful public opinion and propaganda weapons to penetrate into all aspects. Before this war, how could we not find that Ukraine has such a great influence in the English-speaking world?
Secondly, based on the first point, I feel sad for those who live in the English-speaking world and only know one language, English. Their media makes them believe that the world outside them is either evil or at least distorted, and only they are just. Their media makes them believe that people in the world outside them are brainwashed and controlled by the media. Isn't this ironic? This also can be divided into two aspects. Firstly, people outside the English-speaking world also have the right to exist and the right to live a good life. Just because you think they are evil, you cannot want them to remain weak or even become extinct, which is anti-human. Secondly, people outside the English-speaking world, in addition to mastering their mother tongue, if they want to come into contact with the world, they also need to master English, and the mainstream view of the world they are in themselves is likely to conflict with the mainstream view of the English-speaking world. At this time, it is necessary to test a person's critical thinking ability. Only the collision of two completely different viewpoints can produce their own independent thinking, and at this point, those who live in their narrow worldviews lack such opportunities.
@@seekx2y556 The very fact that Russian media outlets were banned in some English speaking countries tells you that they were doing a good job. Western elites have realised that if this continued further it would have a massive affect in their public opinion even on domestic issues. Russia has done good enough job in the past 10 years or so through their media outlets like RT which broadcasts in many parts of the world especially in Arabic and Spanish speaking countries as well as in Africa.
Thanks that was interesting, as i didn't know/understand the Chinese points so far. Here in Australia we sometime debate which is/will be worse - Amercian or Chinese overlords?!?.
It's very nice to hear some opinions directly from Chinese people. Greetings from Poland
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Great discussion, thank you for your work bringing this information.
It's difficult to make opinion unless there is enough information on the topic or event.
Western public was not given the information, which is typical, about the illegal overthrow, stated in their constitution, of the Ukraine government in 2014. A lawless political regime then took over and was constructed and funded by the US government.
This caused several Ukraine provinces to reject the new regime that was ethno-supremacist in it's character, meaning it wish to revoke citizen rights from a specific group, the ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens.
The new regime sent it's military to these provinces to enforce new anti-ethnic Russian laws and fighting broke out mainly in two of the larger provinces.
Crimea became a part of Ukraine 1954 but held an autonomous status since 1991 meaning it has the right of destiny to choose full independence or be annexed... they chose annexation to Russia in 2014 since it's 80% ethnic Russian.
2014-2015 there was a short hot war between the Ukrainian regime and DPR and LPR provinces which ended in a negotiation plan called the Minsk Agreements, however the Ukrainian regime military continued to send artillery shells into the provinces killing over 14,000 ethnic Russians by 2022. When it looked like the Ukraine regime was going to fully attack the provinces is when Russia "intervened" to stop this escalation.
Most in western public didn't even know Ukraine was never a nation or state until the Russians created the Ukraine SSR after WW-2 by joining 5 regions of historic Russian regions together.
I began my professional career working in a Chinese owned engineering company so I understand their point of view, very thoughtful, very logical, a viewpoint hard to hold in a illogical world of the western hegemony which thankfully maybe coming to an end of Russia and China can influence the world towards logical thinking.
thanks for your informative reply. It's not fair to blame a single party, but we need to find way to stop the conflict and give Ukrainian a chance to work towards a sustainable future. Thanks for watching! May we find peace moving forward.
When logic is lost , war typically comes, yes we must advance as humans but we have western empire that is not interested at this time, unfortunately this war was destine to occur when wealth is still more important than humans.
This war isn't just about the facts stated in the territorial dispute, it's about an empire's continued pursuit of global economic control by any means necessary.
After WW-2 China and Russia were heavily damaged and weak as you know But strong enough not to be attacked again.
China and Russia have now fully recovered, the empire came again to break Russia and have failed. China has once again taken as lead economic power, the change is coming but what the empire will decide to do next , it's frightening to think wealth hoarders and Privateers will do to keep it their way, I live among them so have a good sense of it.
Their attitude in many situations is " If we can't own it then nobody will "
Peace always comes with a price in this era, perhaps in the next era peace will come with a discussion with tea cups.
I appreciate your intellectual approach to this problem. The US cannot have talks with Russia without admitting that Ukraine was just a proxy and at this stage of the conflict (April2024), Putin will only talk to Washington, but not to Ukraine.
Who to talk to in Ukraine though. Zelensky couldn't even fire Zalzhulyn without Victoria Nuland to fly there to force the decision. Feel sorry for Ukrainians
@@WindSpiritZ I do too
Zelensky administratively restricted any negotiations with Russia
@@LeandroAndrus-fn4pt can't even tell if that's his idea or washington.
Well, that is Putin's mistake.
His arrogance is costing tens of thousands of his countrymen their lives.
can you teel me what is main in relegionin cina tawain yout and south corea , viatnam
To Western understanding, it's effectively atheism without the grudge... plus festivals!
Something beginning with R. True enough .
respect your pov. Thank you for watching! May we find a peaceful way forward