Westworld And The Nevers Removed From HBO Max After Cancelation
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Jere Manninen - Love you show! So i read today from Variety that Westworld along with Nevers, Minx and others were not only canceled but are gonna be removed from the service. Now I can understand canceling these shows, but why remove them from HBO MAX. While I dont love Westworld Ive enjoyed it and was hoping at some point was the latest season too. Variety article says that its due to them now wanting to pay residual payments from these shows, I dont understand how the residual payments work, could you explain this to me and is this because of Ad supported Tier?
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I hate to say it, but this constant praising of Zazlav is beginning to turn me off from the Campea show. It's abysmal what WB-Discovery has done to their filmmakers and animators - and John doesn't seem to give a shit as long as they prop up Superman and his other favorite properties. This studio is one of the only streaming studios to actually throw away programming they fully own. All these actions have only really done is tanked their worth in both financial stock and brain-trust.
What I said a moment ago "they will end up like "CIRCUIT CITY".
So then what is the point of having a streaming service to house all your content if you’re not even going to house the content! If I was a show runner I would NEVER want to work with WBD in any capacity. A show is not safe when it’s green lit, a show is not safe when it’s in production, a show is not safe when AFTER ITS BEEN RELEASED. This really sucks, man.
This. Anyone working with WB better make sure they have their lawyers go over the contracts lol
Just cancelled my HBO Max. I subscribed because of the back-catalog of HBO and WarnerMedia. If Westworld isn't safe, then everything besides Game of Thrones isn't safe. The #1 appeal of streaming is convenience, and when you make it inconvenient to watch your programming because it is balkanized across 5 different streaming services, it's inconvenient. If WBD won't invest the cost into their own service, why would I pay for it?
So true. Weird that people think HBO Max being attached to Amazon prime is a good thing. You want HBO max so it should have its own app?
I think CEOs like Zaslav are filthy rich and there's actually some actors and crew who depend on those residuals to get by. But hey, CEOs can do no wrong I guess?
This is why physical media (blu-rays, DVDs) is still important. You'd think that a WB-owned show like Westworld would live on WB-owned HBO Max forever but the cost-cutting is deeper than ever imagined.
Yeah. This is crazy. I thought one of the benefits of streaming originals was that it's there as long as the streaming service survives
I still collect Blu rays and DVDs. My concern is that studios will eventually start phasing them out.
The thing is if they are cost cutting on this they will likely not make physical media.
It won’t be long until the only thing left on HBO Max is Discovery’s 7th rate reality shows.
HBO max or max gonna lose even more subscribers
@@kacornish1 Remember zaslav tried to lure Spielberg and Nolan and they basically say, nah f u buddy 🤣
@@gaeron1305 Good question.
And that's why physical media is still needed.
Exactly
As much as I hate physical media, this is exactly the use case for it.
Nah John you’re excusing this BS. This new ownership has been doing this. So many “HBO Max original” movies and shoes just wiped off the face of the earth. Weren’t you the one saying David “respected the artist”. What’s respectful about removing their work
John makes a lot of excuses when talking about certain topics.
Since day one this dude has done the opposite of "respect artists" at every juncture.
@@Cupcake29482 I’m ok if that’s his where he stands. We all have the an opinion. My issue is he made a big deal about the old owners “not respecting” artist by doing the date and date thing. I’d argue this is a million times more disrespect, because those shows and movies were made SPECIFICALLY for HBO Max
Nah, nah Zazlav making a BAD move here.
Well that sucks-- the first season of westworld was pure genius
Why do they praise Zaslov for this but despise Chapek for the exact same thing?! Literally every argument he makes for Zaslov could have been used for Chapek. Zaslov is destroying the "guest experience" same as Chapek to pinch a penny! It's really not even what they are doing but how
I liked Zaslav until the Westworld cancellation before it could even get the last season but im not going to hate him completely bcuz he did alot of good so far with cleaning up DC content for the future and establishing DC Studios with 2 talented & experienced ppl.
We have to get him to reconsider bcuz this will be terrible for everyone
The laws need to be changed - a corporation shouldn’t be able to just essentially pretend a show doesn’t exist so they don’t have to pay the hardworking people that created them. It’s corporate monarchy and grossly anti-worker and anti-creator. I don’t give two shits about Zazlav’s books nor should anyone feel bad for him or HBO Max. As was predicted before, the precedent is only growing and it’s getting worse. I care about real people, not CEOs.
it's just capitalism
@@mikodizon8322 maybe that’s the problem
@@kyleliegel It is. Almost every complaint people have about the modern world is a product of literally everything being commodified to maximum effect for profit. It fucking sucks.
@@kyleliegel without it there would be no jobs, a company to pay salaries and benefits, taxes for the government, etc.
All agreements differ but if you own something (as is usually the case w studious or corpos and shows) you should get to decide if you want it on or off air.
You can tell John is not a creative. He thinks purely or at least tries to think like a studio analyst. Kind of surprised at Rob’s agreement with this because he IS a creative and constantly goes on these rants about studios not hiring artists with distinct POV. Well, this certainly isn’t going to help lure them in.
This is how it's gonna start, change the name away from HBO, so you don't associate the service primarily with HBO, then remove HBO shows and flood the service with cheap discovery shows.
The Slop of Zaslav
I get where your coming from. But I just can’t help but wonder.. if that’s their plan, what was the point for buying Warner in the first place?
@@ez6888 some people think after he’s finished gutting WBs he’s going to sell it off to another company for a big pay off.
@@brandonjones5879 I can’t see the logic in that. Maybe it’d make more sense if I had a look at the financials … clearing out all their series, rebooting the DC, cutting off their animation wing, etc wouldn’t make it more valuable to potential buyers. I’m not seeing how the moves they are making are signaling a quick buy n resale situation.. atleast not in the short term. Unless they are planning to sell after renovating, which will take years up to a decade.
@@ez6888 that’s what I’m saying after he’s finishing gutting everything put it back in the black or what he considers putting it back in the black to mean, then selling it to another company. It’s like how you flip a house. Not to mention the rate he’s cutting projects, I don’t see it taking up to a decade. He seems to be moving with a specific agenda.
There are so many incredible shows that I didn't get to watch until way after their run. The idea of all those shows disappearing shortly after they're done airing is awful. I was going to finish Westworld, but now I guess I won't.
look at the bright side! there's always piracy...
@@marcosdheleno or a vpn
if you have HBO max try using a vpn to look for the shows you like in different countries
All 4 seasons are available for digital and physical purchase so no worries
Ok there’s being financial responsible and then there’s being cheap.
Zaslav is killing many potential relationships with creators. That's why he hired Gunn; as he thinks Gunn can mend those bridges. Well not if he keeps doing this shit. How many will want to work with WBD when they know that they won't get paid in the long-term?
What's the point of getting invested in a service long-term if shows get cancelled? If later seasons start to falter in views, the whole series can be in jeopardy.
If they, god forbid, cancel and remove Warrior, this service is dead to me.
@johncampea how is Zazzy any different from Chapek?
And this is why piracy happens.
Sorry. No. I pay $160 a year for HBO Max. I do it for new shows and to revisit ones like my favorite, Westworld. David Zaslav literally is the worst CEO. He should be shown the exit like Bob Chapek. They both forgot they work in the entertainment industry.
Agreed!
I liked Zaslav until the Westworld cancellation before it could even get the last season (not fair or cool at all) but im not going to hate him completely bcuz he did alot of good so far with cleaning up DC content for the future and establishing DC Studios with 2 talented & experienced ppl.
We have to get him to reconsider bcuz this will be terrible for everyone
@@theseproblemsmatter1 He has to find ways to bring in profits. I get that. But angering ALL customers by canceling completed films and decimating the streaming service is not the way to do it.
@@Scream358 for sure and i wonder why he would do this if there's another way without having the service itself stop from lack of profits 🤔
Thanks alot David. He's trying to make HBOMAX all Discovery infested
The board of directors need to get rid of him
@@juanthompson8016 like for real who would watch 90 day fiance on HBOMAX
With everything having analytics these days why are residuals not paid out per play? (Instead of having to pay for it to keep it on the "store front")
The Nevers was a great show, the ending wasn't that bad either
Don't care about either of these shows but this worries me. Its why I wish streaming sites had physical releases. For a show like End of the F***ing World, that has no physical release, it can be nearly impossible to watch it if ever taken off Netflix and they just removed Hemlock Glove so it's possible.
And even if they get physical releases, I'm going to be way less interested in trying out a show if I have to go hunt down and buy a whole season not knowing if I'm gong to like it.
I'm sorry but this is a dilution of the HBO brand. You used to be able to trust HBO but these actions leave me cold. HBO Max as well as Netflix have a section on their services that tell you that something is about to roll off. Where was the warning?
The residuals excuse seems like just that, an excuse. Residuals normally pale in comparison to the salaries of individuals involved in these properties.
I would be very interested if the reason WB is in the amount of debt that they are, is because they were assigned the debt Discovery used to buy them.
HBO licensing their shows is going to be so stupid, HBO’s library was the reason Max was so good. AMC+ sucks because their shows only play for like a few months before they go to Netflix.
Westworld is a gem that keeps getting buried deeper and deeper
Not paying artist is wrong. It's wild to see HBO proudly announcing it like they've done something amazing.
they cant pull the bluray from your shelf
That's what you think. The HBO execs are heading to your house this very moment to confiscate all those seasons of True Blood you have on your shelf. The show is now longer worth the residues they have to pay on Blu-ray shelf collections
@@PhillipPlus Lmao 🤣
Zaslav is about to come and take those Blu-Rays 🤣
Long live physical media
I am sorry John can love Zaslav but I think Zaslav doing a terrible job since taking over. Removal of shows, The DC in the air, and losing Directors and content creators to other Studios and streaming sites. He is doing bad what exactly good did the dude do.
@@j.r.1210 I am with you on this I don’t see no difference you right. The Superman DC situation is upsetting they lost James Wan. They getting rid of they own original content. Getting rid of animated shows. Even if the shows weren’t great it is the revisiting aspect that’s the point of streaming. Zaslav gotta be the worst exec
Where I can watch Westworld then? Only pirate?
I'm sure they'll sell it to Netflix or Prime.
Easy to stream for free
I get it also John, from a short term financial perspective it does make sense. However it is still a bad look for the brand that can cost far more in the long term with subscribers. That’s speculation on my part and it could be wrong, still this seems like a risk of devaluing the brand. Perhaps it will comeback with the relaunch as just “MAX”, but that is an assumption that can’t be trusted now and this still looks really bad.
What will talent think about WB and HBO
No one agrees with you, John. Let it go, Zaz is horrible for WB/HBO. Dont dig into this any deeper by backing this guy up, he is going to be a disaster.
Seems like zaz is removing content that is not worth keeping
@@GefilteFish.if you haven’t seen them then how would you know?
@@GefilteFish. You say 'not worth' it but they own their content.
Why not keep it available.
Now do people understand why buying physical copies of shows/movies are important??? Lol yeah
Tbh I'd rather miss out on something altogether than purchase countless physical movies and TV shows on the off chance they may be unavailable to stream.
@@Zapdos97 physical has value and extras
I’m going to buy the Nevers
I'm pissed at this.
I think Westworld is in my top 10 favorite TV shows.
Westworld s4 was fantastic, and s5 I really wish was made. As it was their final season, ridiculous.
Westworld was awesome, up until *spoilers* they decided to kill off almost all their main characters. -___-
@@asuhdude6668 S4 didnt suck it just wasnt season 1 which everyone held onto as the standard for the whole show and miss the point of each season setting up the next one
Season 4 was good, much better than 3!
@@SecondTake123 yeah s3 was rough.
But s1 2 and 4 was great
Plus they only had 1 more season. They said from day 1, during season 1 that they had a roadmap for 5 season,.and they confirmed that once again after s4 aired..
Wait? Doesn't HBO "own" Westworld and wouldn't they have known all the costs all along?
Like this was not unexpected.
Residuals.
@@Repossessedurass I clarified above that - this was not an unexpected cost though as opposed to rights issues.
I find that disturbing.
This just shows u how much Warner Bros discovery are in so much debt.
This is STUPID! These are HBO original shows, I better go and get the Blu-ray's before they become impossible to find.
I just started watching season 4 of Westworld, and when I went to watch episode 4 it’s gone. Westworld was one of the few shows that made me
Pay for HBO max in the first place. I won’T be renewing, and would like to get a refund. I’m sure they will tell me to pound sand.
This kind of ruthless bottom line bean counting may eventually backfire. Yeah I can just go buy Westworld on DVD or digital but I expected something like that to be available on HBO Max long after the show ended, like The Sopranos, OZ, The Wire, etc. This sucks, and I still hope Westworld eventually gets a final wrap up movie like Deadwood did. If not from HBO then maybe somebody else
So they're just out here deleting shows like they never even existed 😳
I feel like HBO Maxx execs don't understand why people pay for streaming services. I thought it was obvious. Apparently not though. People pay for the streaming service to watch stuff. I don't know if the execs don't know this but you can't watch stuff that's removed. At least they have a good excuse . You know to not pay artist Definitely not something that's already a horrible problem.
They canceled the Nevers ?
Defending blatant greed… yeah not one of your best takes
The Nevers was awesome. I want to see the rest! I'm glad I bought the blu-ray.
I am so glad I did continue buying The Nevers, Westworld et al on Blu Ray and I did cancel HBO after the hostile takeover.
I get the business side of it, but if that's the case I wouldn't even want to have a show on the service. I would take it to someone else.
I loved the twist from The Nevers!
I think they are being cheap. I would of been ok if it was a few years after westworld was finished when they removed it but it was only a few months. I thought s04 was an improvement over s03. I am glad I still believe in physical media. I think it is stupid you can't even have stuff you produced on your own service.
Not hard to improve from season 3
Personally I've been getting Dvds/boxsets of films and shows I enjoyed for years now and in a big part **because** otherwise you're choices are at the whim of whatever executive prefers on any given day.
Screw this. May cancel HBO MAX
I liked the twist in The Nevers and it had amazing actors 😢
For a guy that always seems to mention how he took Bob Iger’s Masterclass, John seems to have skipped the lesson on how to have sympathy towards creatives
You mean like make a lot of them millionaires and run their show on your network that YOU pay for over a span of 4 seasons. How much "sympathy" are you supposed to give them as you lose money?
@@johncampea And how much money has HBO made off of Westworld? The studio might have made some of the actors rich, but those actors and directors gave the studio a lot of money as well. Westworld and shows like it certainly brought in subscribers. I tend to think that the ideal studio/director relationship is a partnership where both are meant to benefit, even if there is a hierarchy. Some of those creatives also do rely on the residual checks. Not all are millionaires. I apologize for my first comment being so harsh. I respect you and your opinions and have been a big fan of your work since the AMC days. But I am just concerned that Zaslav is setting precedents and making moves that severe the relationship between a studio and the people they hire in a similar way that Chapek did
@@MrJackarow Exactly if Westworld is not available on any streaming service you essentially have no portfolio to show off your work. A show like Westworld is filled with background actors who are not millionaires and need this money to survive. Every hot show fizzles so eventually most of the cast,crew career will be closed off in a vault. The creative ecosystem is getting destroyed and fuck Zaslov.
@@johncampea I view it as you either want to have a streaming service or you don't. Lot of the shows that draw people to the service are pushing people away. Like I watch a lot of DC animated. Moving it to Amazon will make me watch Amazon and drop HBO because I dont buy every streaming service. And HBO is a pretty dang expensive service. one of the more expensive ones. Does everyone watch the same movies I do. No. But there cutting a enough wide varietry of things that it will drive different fan bases away.
@@MrJackarow Yes! HBO should subsidize Westworld thru all its garbage cuz all those people who worked on it are worthless otherwise. We are about free lunches here!
Perhaps the relaunch to “MAX” is very telling. They might be moving WB and HBO stuff elsewhere with licensing agreements to help pay those residuals. DC animation is gone to Amazon, now HBO shows maybe going to other platforms when their run is done/canceled. Perhaps all big budget WB and DC films will be exclusive to “MAX” for only a limited time before they are made available elsewhere. WB is going through the ringer with financials that are no longer supported by AT&T. But on flip side the brand itself will take a hit as this backtrack doesn’t look good.
Maybe they'll edit out the 'HBO' intros to all those older shows?
Wouldn't want Max subscribers to be reminded of what used to be.
Piracy is our best option to teach these streaming services a lesson. I recommend everyone sail the digital seas of the internet to find some 'alternative' options.
It's morally okay to pirate WB content
'Yeah, I'll steal content. That will DEFinitely make it more likely companies will make more of that content.'
Fuckin doofus.
@TAO TOLOGY Doofus for what? Not giving a shit about a bunch of rich pricks money. Fuck em, don't piss off your consumers then.
@@brycebirkinbine4119 Stealing content means a smaller, official market for that content (not to mention literally less revenue).
"Amazingly" this makes it LESS likely you'll get more of that content made in the future.
Doofus.
TAO is a corporate punching bag. I'll pirate these companies' shows until the day I die...
@@Tao_Tology as if it makes a differnece
Is this what happened to all their animated stuff?
So as HBO say one person per account I'm done only keeping this to get D+ and Hulu from a friend
It's that pesky $47 billion debt that WB Discovery has. Their stock price dropped 50% since WBD spun off from AT&T. Their debt is now twice their market cap.
I think WB might be doing worse than we realize. The interest alone on that debt has to be in the hundreds of millions each year. And with interest rates going up, it's getting costlier to service that debt and harder to borrow.
It's 50-55$billion right
But why remove it makes 0 sense
Is it just because of the merger because HBO has had a streaming service for a long time and they prided themselves on their library of shows they didn't remove shows like Westworld before they have all their old shows. This is why physical media is always the way to go I'm glad I own all the HBO shows I like on dvd or blu ray. Too bad Disney won't release any of their Star Wars shows on physical media these shows can just go away with no access now.
So, where does one watch Westworld?
Minx also got removed idk if it’s bc of this, but they haven’t finished shooting, they’re going to finish season 2 anyways and hope to find a new home at least that’s what Jake Johnson reported earlier
Minx was actually pretty good
@@mikodizon8322 I agree, I really like the style and the writing is really great.
@@Cash42 underrated imo, it would be great if others also gave it a look! it's something unique
Just give the option of buying on Physical Media....Streaming is limited in my opinion
This is horrible, by doing that zassie is taking the revenue that working actors have by removing this shows on hbo max, I saw a tweet of an actor explaining the situation.
David Z is so concerned to reduce cost and have money is hurting the people who works in the networks
Nah, I want my hbo content where it belongs
Yes we should continue paying people who made a garbage product. Imagine getting your plumbing fixed and it breaks down shortly after you gonna keep paying for the same plumber?
@@00J-Tonegarbage? All these HBO shows are garbage… ? No, they weren’t.
@@kevinstfort Wow.. What a compelling reason! You have changed my mind. Thank you for your wiseness.
@@00J-Tone sounds the same like you having called them all garbage. Haven’t you seen them all? Have you seen even one of them?
I don't understand how they don't see stuff like this destroys their brand, Hey you want to watch a old HBO show we'll go on Netflix and who is even going to want to take a unfinished show?
What is the date westworld is leaving hbo max? Been hard to find that information
This is another reason to collect physical media of your favorite movies, or TV shows.
or purchase the entire series on prime video or Apple TV
@storm - Yup.
@charles - Uhh, nope. Big, big nope there.
If you don't have (and don't bother to get) the actual product then all you are (over)paying for is **non-guaranteed access** to that product
It was on HBO…so it should stay on HBO max. I was seriously on episode 9 first season. Why do I even have these services? Might as well just go back to cable and buy the stuff I like for blue Ray.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to just start pirating
this is weird because westworld, however you feel about it, is 100% the show people will return to on a regular basis
Like myself because I was about to start watching it again 😩
They're going to give us another spinoff of 40day Fiancé (The Parents) edition. Bet that's where the extra money is going to go.
Has he said Zazs was wrong about anything. They keep taking off things I brought HBO max for. It one of the more expensive service too. It losing its draw. I mean do they want a streaming service or not
This only going to cause other creatives to go to other streaming services, Netflix, Amazon Prime etc. If I am The House of The Dragon creatives I am thinking in the future it's time to start thinking for a new home for this franchise. David Zaslav is just turning people off his strategy except you guys.
Yeah zaslav not a guarantee your show gonna last no matter the ratings
I hate it when the plot of a Show iintrigues me and it get chanceled. Why should i watch any show made for HBO Max or even subscribe?
Terrible video John. Sad for you to defend a network just deleting an entire show that so many people loved and worked on. Smh
That would really suck if I had gotten into the show.
I hope we get a WESTWORLD film that puts a bow on the franchise as whole. The last 2 seasons were letdowns compared to the first 2 seasons imo.
The first season set the series up to be one of the greatest of all time… everything went down hill after that
@@ez6888 not gonna lie, i stopped caring about the series after the s1 season finale. the whole "robots are people too!" did not work for me. the season never gave me any reason to think those robots were real "singularities", on the contrary, it always felt like they were following the script and playing their part.
I'm just confused they'll put GoT and Westworld on Bluray. But not Euphoria and some.others?!
Zaslov = Chapek
Westworld is 100% good enough to atleast be finished imo n i hope it does. Westworlds s1 n s2 were really really good so i hope someone picks them up to atleast finish it as the show planned for its next season to be its last. I dk how the hell raised by wolves isnt cancelled as a sci fi lover i thought that show was dumb as hell.
Seriously it just had one more season and that would've been it
Westworld was so bad plotwise after 2 seasons so it doesn't matter but nevers!!?? Lol it was only going to unveil the truth and they already cancelled it in first season that's utter bs WTF!!!
But season 1 of Westworld is worth watching more than once as a standalone miniseries. Great soundtrack, just absolute trash for them to remove it entirely from the service. I would cancel but I get it as part of my AT&t contract which I can't get out of for another year
t's amazing ! with the donations from the petition they were able to put this screen " RAISED BY WOLVES WE NEED A SEASON 3 " on TIME SQUARE 🗽👍
Westworld is one of my favorite shows smh i also liked raised with wolves .
Huge fan of The Nevers, I really want that second half. I’m not surprised it won’t get a season two, they could never have continued it without JW, I’m hoping they finished it correctly. It was obvious the cast and crew knew it was done, they changed the ending when they knew and the actors were released and are recast in brilliant things!
The very fact that the series was canceled after the six episodes he produced indicates that it probably wouldn't have lasted long with him either. Maybe they would hold until the second season
For John campea to say he liked nevers until the final episode and a half makes me laugh because episode 6 was not the final episode to make things clear the tv show nevers was always supposed to be a 12 episode season 1 show but because of Covid 19 and then joss whedon leaving the show after the first 6 episodes where filmed it makes it seem like that’s the end but I’ve been told that they filmed the other 6 episodes and just have not released them which totally sucks because why spend the money on filming the last episodes if your not going to release them and then to pull it from your service is so a move that Warner brothers would pull this is why Netflix is so much better because even if they cancel a show at least the entire first season is still their on their service years later
I strongly suspect that in the big scheme of things it was a worldwide virus outbreak that was the main reason production stalled.
RAISED BY WOLVES It's just for me the best series I've seen, HBOMAX canceled the end of the series Raised by Wolves after 2 seasons
How can we cancel the best SF series produced by Ridley Scott and his studio Scott Free who did a remarkable job of creativity to make us believe in the tropical zone of Keppler 22b. Aaron Guzikowski the creator had announced 5 seasons planned.
what was the twist?
It was the main character was from a wartime sci-fi futuristic earth… it’s too complicated to keep explaining in a comment lol 👍🏼
If they cancel Warrior next, then we riot!
Na no way that’s happening
I swear I was scared to see that in a headline. They just wrapped season 3. I absolutely love warrior, I hope I crushes when season 3 drops next year
The only streamings I think might buy "the nevers" are Netflix or Hulu
No looking up I would have liked to have been able to finish Nevers I really liked it but come on Westworld that was a pretty big hit for a while not to keep that on the platform is pretty f****** stupid
Not everyone can afford collecting physical media though :/
Bean counters run amok
Zalzlov continuing to be horrible
I LOVED The Nevers 😢😢😢
There were those who complained that the series was doomed anyway because Joss Whedon was fired
I hope West World gets a Movie to wrap it up. Finish the series right. Bring back Sir Anthony Hopkins.
And I really love both minx and nevers
I actually like them everest, though I agree the last episode was kind of. I was looking forward to a season 2. My issue is, with all these streaming platforms, many of them still don't do DVDs for "original Content" that premieres on their platform. So when's the show's gone, you literally can't get it anywhere else aside from you know, " Ahoy Matey🏴☠️."
But also, cuz that's life is playing a dangerous game of Burning Bridges with creators and Talent. He's already screwed over the entire Innovation division, and hasn't restored the brands trust in Warner Brothers. We've already started seeing some of the downside of this, as talent that left onto the previous regime, are refusing to come back (outside the most extreme contractual negotiations) because the current one is blatantly worse.
The fact its removing is terrible, but its even worse that the alternative paid options are location locked. So if anyone in the world at production companies are surprised why piracy is coming back to fashion? This is the reason! I dont like to own disc media anymore but damm, I have to get a NAS. :(
Ouch, both headliners for HBO Max
Can't they renegotiate? Offer them a one off fee for the residuals. Or don't do those desls in the first place.