Very fortunate to know the late, great Nicky Barr...and was present at his book launch in the early 2000s...written so capably by Author Peter Dornan. Nicky Barr was one of 3 Squadron's most successful aces in the early part of the war...incredible man. 1915-2006.
My Dad had always told me about how much the Australians did in WWll and of how gallant, brave, brazen and tough that they were. He held a-lot of respect for the Aussies. Thank you for this affirming video. My Dad was filled with knowledge and was seemingly never incorrect!
My old man flew with them in the desert (112). Tough lads. Bobby Gibbes was shot down and walked 50 miles back to his own lines. Well deserved winged boot award.
As a wee lad, I was fortunate to have a 3SQN Kittyhawk pilot as a flying instructor. Although he didn’t discuss much of the war, I always appreciated his patience. Flying training in a C-150 (although it was an Aerobat) must have been so mundane to such a man. Vale Rex Laver.
Austrian soldiers contributed a great deal in WW2. Yet they unfairly left out of the conversation about the war. As an American I know that well and I admire them for their bravery.
Had 2 Uncle Ground Grippers out there, and Uncle in in a Mosquito Pathfinder Squadron, a Step Father Ground Gripper on Kokoda. A family friend Ed Lenthall, haven't been able to find anything on. Australian WW2ers did a bludy good job. Thanks to those who serve/served
Excellent video with interviews from those great Aussies who said it like it was. The P-40 had some handling issues and a high workload, but was still better than the Hurricane.
My wife's grandfather was Aussie groundcrew on Morotai Island. He never talked about the war and said that he'd seen too many people shot. Is there any information about Morotai around ??
Great presentation. However, your thumbnail shows Kittyhawks from 450 Squadron RAAF which served in North Africa, Sicily & Italy. Identification letters: OK.
The painting is by Alan Moore and depicts 3 and 450 SQN attack on a shipping installation at Venice during the Italian campaign. We merged this painting with the image of ground troops so 3SQN ahead in the formation are obscured and 450 very obviously in the foreground. Nevertheless, we still thought it a good image, as we do also cover some of 450SQN later in the episodes. Thanks for your kind words about the presentation - it does take an awful long time to put these things together.
Correct me if wrong but weren't thes early P40B fighters originally meant for France, delivered to Brittan after France fell? So they ended up fight against France the original customer.
You are correct! The French did a lot of last minute shopping for modern aircraft in the USA in the form of fighters, light bombers and I think trainers, unfortunately France had fallen by the time came for delivery. The British had also been last minute shopping and were more than happy to take delivery on behalf of the French. Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Never read that conclusion before. For those who are mad hatters locating new video topics this one is a ripper. Hurricane compared to P-40B. Only a few photos were P-40Bs but top marks for the efforts at an excellent history. I don't know who to contact, but the RAAF first use of the Seppo P-38 in the Pacific would be very enlightening.
I think that the shortened by use in the Desert, with the problems of very abrasive sand being ingested by the engines in spite of any tropical air filters being fitted. Additional to this would have been the liberal use of War Emergency Power during Combat, which would also accelerate the wear of the motor. Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Sorry mate, but Hurricanes could never outclimb Spitfires. The heavy Hurri was easy to fly with its thick wing, but then so is a cessna. Thank God they were replaced quickly.
The Hurricane II was able to out climb the contemporary Spitfire I. 2750 ft/min v 2490 ft/min. The Hurricane in question was also slightly lighter than the Spitfire. These are the Mks being referred to here.
@@thelandofnod123 nice try. Spitfire II 6,172 lb. Hurricane I 7,490 lb. Even the first Hurricane in 1936 with fabric wings, no c/s prop, no armour, etc weighed more (6,750) than the Spit II. You can't argue with historical facts and the power to weight ratios. The Hurri only got heavier over time.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I wasn’t trying. Those are the facts as I stated them. The climb performance is readily available if you want to go look. BTW we are talking Hurricane II v Spitfire I not the other way around.
@@thelandofnod123 you're trying to situate the estimate by misrepresenting weights (which I've disproved) and cherry picking data from two different time periods. Hurricane II's arrived in operations near the end of the Battle of Britain with Merlin XX (2 speed s/c), Spitfire II's were already in use by July, but even Spit I's (merlin III) climbed 2,905 fpm. Just to be perfectly clear, Bader complained that when using the Big wing, the Spits always had to wait for the bloody Hurricanes (Mk.II's)
@@bobsakamanos4469 Your argument is that the Hurricane never out climbed the Spitfire. This is incorrect. There’s no cherry picking data here, just the data. Moreover it is data from those Mks available at the time to 3 SQN, they weren’t getting nice shiny new machines, the latest Mk available. The Hurricane was a superb choice for their current operations and served well until the Luftwaffe arrived in numbers. Bader making a statement about the formation of the big wing has little to do with your statement and is a poor logical fallacy.
As a wee lad, I was fortunate to have a 3SQN Kittyhawk pilot as a flying instructor. Although he didn’t discuss much of the war, I always appreciated his patience. Flying training in a C-150 (although it was an Aerobat) must have been so mundane to such a man. Vale Rex Laver.
Thank you Aussies from a grateful Pom.
Very fortunate to know the late, great Nicky Barr...and was present at his book launch in the early 2000s...written so capably by Author Peter Dornan. Nicky Barr was one of 3 Squadron's most successful aces in the early part of the war...incredible man. 1915-2006.
When changed from Tomahawks to Kittyhawks, he said he missed the smell of gunpowder in the cockpit.
My Dad had always told me about how much the Australians did in WWll and of how gallant, brave, brazen and tough that they were. He held a-lot of respect for the Aussies.
Thank you for this affirming video. My Dad was filled with knowledge and was seemingly never incorrect!
Funny thing about dads, the older you get the smarter they were.
True lol
@@bruceday6799
My old man flew with them in the desert (112). Tough lads. Bobby Gibbes was shot down and walked 50 miles back to his own lines. Well deserved winged boot award.
All respect for those that fought in WWll, so many Countries and so many absolute Heros.@@bobsakamanos4469
As a wee lad, I was fortunate to have a 3SQN Kittyhawk pilot as a flying instructor. Although he didn’t discuss much of the war, I always appreciated his patience. Flying training in a C-150 (although it was an Aerobat) must have been so mundane to such a man.
Vale Rex Laver.
I love listening to the people who were there. Their stories are captivating 😌🤗
Austrian soldiers contributed a great deal in WW2.
Yet they unfairly left out of the conversation about the war.
As an American I know that well and I admire them for their bravery.
Had 2 Uncle Ground Grippers out there, and Uncle in in a Mosquito Pathfinder Squadron, a Step Father Ground Gripper on Kokoda. A family friend Ed Lenthall, haven't been able to find anything on. Australian WW2ers did a bludy good job. Thanks to those who serve/served
Excellent video with interviews from those great Aussies who said it like it was. The P-40 had some handling issues and a high workload, but was still better than the Hurricane.
Thank you for your hard work.. it is appreciated. From Devonport Tasmania
We’re nearly neighbours, I’m out here near Mole Creek watching this.
God bless our cousin's around the globe who rallied to the side of the mother country in our hour of need.... We'd never have managed without you
Great video, looking forward to part 2
Brilliant work guys. The quality of these videos is AAA.
When is the next one? Great work again from you folks!
My wife's grandfather was Aussie groundcrew on Morotai Island.
He never talked about the war and said that he'd seen too many people shot.
Is there any information about Morotai around ??
Great presentation. However, your thumbnail shows Kittyhawks from 450 Squadron RAAF which served in North Africa, Sicily & Italy. Identification letters: OK.
The painting is by Alan Moore and depicts 3 and 450 SQN attack on a shipping installation at Venice during the Italian campaign. We merged this painting with the image of ground troops so 3SQN ahead in the formation are obscured and 450 very obviously in the foreground. Nevertheless, we still thought it a good image, as we do also cover some of 450SQN later in the episodes. Thanks for your kind words about the presentation - it does take an awful long time to put these things together.
@@raafdocumentaries Thanks for clearing that up and my very best wishes for your channel!
Correct me if wrong but weren't thes early P40B fighters originally meant for France, delivered to Brittan after France fell? So they ended up fight against France the original customer.
You are correct! The French did a lot of last minute shopping for modern aircraft in the USA in the form of fighters, light bombers and I think trainers, unfortunately France had fallen by the time came for delivery. The British had also been last minute shopping and were more than happy to take delivery on behalf of the French.
Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Could you please please please do a similar video for 75 SQN.
Those Bf109Es pictured weren't Es. They were probably Gs. The Es had strutted tail planes and conical spinners.
Great Post USAF Vietnam Vet....1968-69..
Never read that conclusion before. For those who are mad hatters locating new video topics this one is a ripper. Hurricane compared to P-40B. Only a few photos were P-40Bs but top marks for the efforts at an excellent history. I don't know who to contact, but the RAAF first use of the Seppo P-38 in the Pacific would be very enlightening.
another take on 3 squadron P40's
th-cam.com/video/RllIWjqFAJ8/w-d-xo.html
Great work. Looking forward to more. Just a quick note that Blenheim is pronounced BLEN-EM ... just another English quirk.
Thanks Aaron - pronunciations! Will try to remember that for next time :-)
Interesting to hear him say that a Hurricane with 180 hours on it was end of life. An 8000 hour life would be considered unexceptional these days.
I think that the shortened by use in the Desert, with the problems of very abrasive sand being ingested by the engines in spite of any tropical air filters being fitted. Additional to this would have been the liberal use of War Emergency Power during Combat, which would also accelerate the wear of the motor.
Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Sorry mate, but Hurricanes could never outclimb Spitfires. The heavy Hurri was easy to fly with its thick wing, but then so is a cessna. Thank God they were replaced quickly.
The Hurricane II was able to out climb the contemporary Spitfire I. 2750 ft/min v 2490 ft/min. The Hurricane in question was also slightly lighter than the Spitfire. These are the Mks being referred to here.
@@thelandofnod123 nice try.
Spitfire II 6,172 lb.
Hurricane I 7,490 lb.
Even the first Hurricane in 1936 with fabric wings, no c/s prop, no armour, etc weighed more (6,750) than the Spit II. You can't argue with historical facts and the power to weight ratios. The Hurri only got heavier over time.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I wasn’t trying. Those are the facts as I stated them. The climb performance is readily available if you want to go look. BTW we are talking Hurricane II v Spitfire I not the other way around.
@@thelandofnod123 you're trying to situate the estimate by misrepresenting weights (which I've disproved) and cherry picking data from two different time periods.
Hurricane II's arrived in operations near the end of the Battle of Britain with Merlin XX (2 speed s/c),
Spitfire II's were already in use by July, but even Spit I's (merlin III) climbed 2,905 fpm.
Just to be perfectly clear, Bader complained that when using the Big wing, the Spits always had to wait for the bloody Hurricanes (Mk.II's)
@@bobsakamanos4469 Your argument is that the Hurricane never out climbed the Spitfire. This is incorrect. There’s no cherry picking data here, just the data. Moreover it is data from those Mks available at the time to 3 SQN, they weren’t getting nice shiny new machines, the latest Mk available. The Hurricane was a superb choice for their current operations and served well until the Luftwaffe arrived in numbers.
Bader making a statement about the formation of the big wing has little to do with your statement and is a poor logical fallacy.
2,799 P40's Lend Leased to Britain
3 Squadron RAAF
John Westwood
th-cam.com/video/RllIWjqFAJ8/w-d-xo.html
461 RAAF.
did they have FW-190s in Africa?
Negative
It's a shame they had to fight against the french.😢
As a wee lad, I was fortunate to have a 3SQN Kittyhawk pilot as a flying instructor. Although he didn’t discuss much of the war, I always appreciated his patience. Flying training in a C-150 (although it was an Aerobat) must have been so mundane to such a man.
Vale Rex Laver.