How to Build a Pyramid Deck Stair | This Old House
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- Tom Silva and Kevin O’Connor build a corner stair on the new back deck at the Lexington house. Then Kevin and Norm Abram finish up the trim and decking on the new corner deck stair.
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Tom Silva shows Kevin O’Connor the progress on the new back deck at the Lexington house, and how the architect has called for a corner stair leading down to the backyard. The framing requires two sets of traditional stringer systems, joined in the middle by a hip stringer and a series of jack stringers; the same idea as framing a hip roof. Then Kevin and Norm Abram finish up the trim and decking on the new corner deck stair. For the ipe deckboards that are sharply mitered in the corner, Norm has settled on using a floating tenon connection to prevent them from opening up over time.
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NORM!!!!! Great to see the master craftsman and master carpenter all in the same video and same project!
I think this was one of my favorite episodes! That staircase is a work of art.
Episode name?
You two (Norm & Tom) have the most amazing skill levels ! I have learned so much from both of you over the years. Thank you
Thanks. Great work. I've been doing this for 35yrs. Its always nice to see someone else's take on things. Im starting one of these in a couple of weeks 😅😅
the level of craftsmanship is amazing.
I would love to meet tommy and norm and try to gain as much knowledge from them as I can. I learn so much from this show
Excellent work by 2 of the best carpenters in the universe.
Kevin is average at best 😋
@@markwarrington2788 Tom Silva/Norm Abrams, Kevin a good helper
@@likearockcm guess i should have told u to look up - cause that went right over your head. Thought the emoji would have helped u
@@markwarrington2788 Oh, attempting a joke I get it now.
I have watched you guys for a long time and Tom you get better looking with each new year. You all look better. It is like actors that get better as they get older. I am an artist and love to draw people.
Good to see Norm out there
That hip stringer is a beast
Such a timely video! I’m about to try and build a set of pyramid/waterfall stairs. This is going to help out tremendously
I suggest putting a railing over the corners.
What a great simple DIY project! Easy instructions, cheap materials, minimal tools required. This is one of those projects you call the neighbor over, have some beers on ice, a couple of circular saws and some drywall screws and throw together to impress the wife and kids by dinner time. Thanks this old House! 🤣
@@ProfessorOfLogic81 Not at all, I was making a joke, which apparently fell flat. Sure they can show this, it's a great project and they did beautiful work. But keep in mind that they have two of the finest carpenters alive today framing this complex stair case and they gave bare minimum instructions on laying out the complicated jack stringers. This is not a DIY project no matter how you slice it. Sure, anyone can attempt it. Knock yourself out. But being in the trades I can assure you that the average homeowner is going to go through a pallet full of lumber trying to get those jacks right and figure out the increase in tread lengths on the hypotenuse. It was all tongue in cheek humor, and I apologize to you if it wasn't well received.
I love Tommy.
Nice. I think it's work the extra cost to use Sipo loose tenons on outdoor projects like this. In cooler climates where winter is real, those miter joints can open up enough to let water in, freeze, thaw and damage those beech tenons. Those corners won't be flat anymore.
Imagine Tommy as a combo math, geometry and shop teacher . Kids would have true understanding of the subjects with real world application and schools would be graduating geniuses that would truly Make America Great.
Too logical for the territorial superiors.
Great video guys! More of these please 👍🇺🇲💥
Awesome work Tommy
😲...W👀W'zers!!!
So Beautiful!
I want one!!!😁
❤ inspector gadget! Wowzers lol
@@davemiller7633
👍🏾corrrrRECT!!!🏆
😂😂☺️😂😂
@@QIKWIA lol. To this day it's still one of my favorite shows. I'm stuck in the 80s hopelessly....cant get out😆...remember The Littles? Obscure 80s cartoon too....we could go on for hours!!
so many precise cuts
I saw one of these in Egypt.
Nice job on the stairs and good to see Norm out in the field working. What is the code requirement for a handrail with this many steps? Why can't old episodes of NYW be run on PBS? You know everyone will watch.
you can find the NYW episodes on TH-cam. Just search for "New Yankee Workshop"
@@anonnomus6070 yes, I'm aware. Those are not authorized and produce no revenue to support public television.
I know Norm installed joist hangers on those stringers before installing the treads and risers.
Beautiful Job.
pure art
Tommy is the best.
45 degree triangle 1-1- √2.
Run is 1.414 standard run.
used enough timber to build a pyramid lol nice job looks great
There has to be more support on those stringers than they showed, right? Just toe screwed in? Especially the one with the really small top tread
Nah. They are wedged in there because of the 2x4 footer at the bottom. They can't fall through or anything. The screws are literally just to hold them in position.
beautiful!
Why don't you glue the miter joint with titebond 3?
@6:06 "we're using [epay] on the decking so no maintenance there". epay? Is that what he said?
With only a few screws holding it at the top and a huge concrete base at the bottom, isn't the bottom over kill a bit?
Norm used a beech loose tenon. Festool makes a sipo loose tenon for outdoor work.
“Hi, How can we help you today ?”
“Well,... I’m in the market for a terrible fall with serious, perhaps even life-changing injuries.”
“Hmmm, I see. I think we have just the thing for you. Check out these beautifully built pyramid stairs. You could certainly break your wrist and knock out most of your incisors on these babies!”
Thanks for your opinion KAREN
That stringer with the tiny piece of end grain fixed to the hip stringer will definitely break when walked on with enough weight
Maybe, but I doubt it.
Any normal load that would be put on those stairs is dispersed and transferred between the 3 tread boards, the continuous riser board and to at least 1 stringer on either side. Plus, the glue and nails are locking the whole system together very well. The stringer is probably more likely to break from weather checking than from weight. But even if it did, there's plenty of backup support and it would probably be unconsequential.
If Tommy did it , 100% it will not fail
Sorry not the risers, the stringers. Still learning.
No flashing tape on top of the stringers or joists. Would anyone here want to seal those cuts for longevity?
Lot of work to make the staircase, clearly you need to be an artisan like Tom and Norm.
8:48 already creaking.
I'm confused about the brad nailer and glue. Looks good, but really?
that wasn't a brad nailer.
They need to run a handrail down the center to channel a person to either side---pick-a-side, so to speak. I guarantee someone will attempt going down the 90 degree point and will topple down
The pyramid design looks good but in practice non-standard stairs are a lawsuit in the making
Non-code in Florida. Non-insurable pretty much everywhere, without a handrail. On a dock or deck, not attached to the occupied structure, they are fine.
It's not a public/commercial space. They would require handrails, but only at the sides. Many buildings in Manhattan have these type of stairs.
@@MariaMaria-dw1sn A house requires handrails on anything higher than 18". That IS the code.
They weren't showing a completed project only how to build the stairs
@@daveklein2826 Yessir, I believe that is the case.
math is not my cup of tea so i would be a total mess and freaking out
Was awfully nice to have everything ore drilled and the screw holes already in place.
Man, finish nailing that Ipe seems like a really bad idea. Even with thicker gauge nails. Having built tons of decks with that wood I know how hard it is and how unruly it can be over time. The only way to set Ipe is with predrilled stainless steel screws or with the clips for slotted decking. Love the biscuits on the miters though. Incredible math and framing here
Completely agree. Nailing that Ipe I cringed. Pre drill countersink and Ipe plugs. Light sand and refinish. Looks 100% better and you don’t get much failure like with other methods.
I hear you, but I think he thought he was compensating with the glue.
Next episode: how to pour a foundation for your house.
As a professional carpenter I am slightly biased, but these sort of projects should NOT be attempted by a homeowner. Tommy and Norm obviously make it look easy but I can assure you those cuts are not easy. Good way to burn money in wasted lumber. Especially that IPE decking.
15 gauge nails for the decking? Idk about that
Thin treads and using a nail gun so the nails have a glue coating?
Woodglut has a very large project base.
🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨3:09 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
Where is the explanation on how to cut that 45 stringer?? There is nothing on the internet that helps people like myself do the most complicated scenario which is the corner of the stringer ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
And this my friends is why I flunked college algebra.
Geometry
@@patrickgarvey146 Yes, and Geometry 😁
@@derricdueker64 carpentry is all geometry
That stair case took way too much space. It looks nice though.
Very expensive labor and materials but without rot resistant stringers these stairs will be junk in 2 or 3 years.
LMAO
Do as a real carpenter would and multiply your run by 1.414
Or do it the right way like they did
@@daveklein2826 if you know math you dont have to cut random pieces in order to get a "hopefully it looks nice" fit
@@zacheiriksson LMAO
@@zacheiriksson Sure seems like Tommy knows his math
@@daveklein2826 then why not multiply his tread run by 1.414? Like christ i was taught that in level 1 and use it at least once a week
64 1/8” is best divided by 8 1/64 for riser heights. By rounding up you have overly flattened by nearly a full inch to 7 1/4”. Too shallow from normal steps.
Isn’t max code 7&3/4” ?
@@luptonpittman6520 8-1/4" in Mass.
So much work they had to change seasons and hosts omg. Be real people
PVC riser looks terrible, use fake wood looks better and lasts forever
Why can’t Kevin just be silent and let Tommy talk and work? Why is he even necessary? Tommy explains things just fine, and all they allow him to do is make some simple cut or sink a screw.
Pyramid deck, when you've got a bunch of floor space to waste and lack creativity.
Tommy can knock these steps out in about 5 hours. With Kevins help though it takes 2 days.
Lol
And with you it will never get done. Get back to work!
Kevin 's probably pretty good by now
Kevin is an essential piece to this show, he is excellent and I’m sure he’s a lot handier than he looks!
In the early days, I would've agreed. But Kevin's got skills now. How could he not? Hanging around with those guys all this time...
Norm is my idol. He is the reason I became a carpenter. I enjoyed watching all his shows.
Same! Love watching an old master!
Ronald , This is Tom Silva , not Norm ??
@@mrcapitalist2285 I agree, loved new Yankee wrkshp,, but yes norm is in the glasses, he is slimer these days, but norm ahbram 👌👌👌
@@jamescampbellhenderson1689 This video showed Kevin OConner , not Norm ? Love Norm though , not sure there is better craftsman than him ?
Norm is towards the end when they are putting the decking down.
I’ve been watching these guys for years, plus I use to watch norm in his wood working shop all them time I will hate to see these guys retire. They will be missed.
Norm didn’t talk about shop safety before using power tools
Thank god Kevin was there to grab the off cuts.
It would have been a complete disaster otherwise
Don't you need simpson stringer hangers by code now?
Yes!
I thought screws sheared off
It might be easy for some to understand that the angled stringer needs to be longer, but I appreciate how they took the time to explain it. It really shows a deep understanding, in being able to explain it so simply. The part with the angled cut on the plywood was a great trick.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen on ToH! Tells you the math and why and explains it in very easy to learn terms. Great job on this one guys!
Wow it sure is good to see Norm Abram still swinging that Plumb curve claw hammer after more than 40 yrs! Yes, I’m an old fan of This Old House since 1980.
That stair stringer in the middle warrants its own video for all those angle cuts.
I've been watching these guys for years. My dad turned me on to them. I miss my dad.
And Norm with his biscuits... #NYW.
This stair case style allows the parents children to play q-bert.
I read about q-Bert in a history book! 😆😆
Kidding. I’m old enough to have dropped a few coins to play it.
What a ton of work for a corner staircase.
Better than most
Expensive and impractical...grandios waste of space(imo).
But it's beautiful!
Bros...needed more "how" in the math
Are hand rails required by code for this?
Basically, anything more than two step or with a blind edge needs a handrail, but not in the middle.
They weren't showing a completed project only how to build the stairs
ok, I REALLY like the look of that staircase. It doesn't feel complete without handrails on the sides, but it still looks really good.
I even think it's illegal not to have handrails at 65" !
Handrails are used to prevent falling of the side of stairs. There IS NO sides that drop off on that staircase so you don't need them.
Who cares… love these couch losers critiquing others work when they clearly couldn’t do this themselves
Well said
Love me some Norm Abram! I watched The New Yankee Workshop as a kid. Never missed an episode. He looks great and it's great to see him!
Do you run a hand rail down the middle?
Why?
@@daveklein2826 Ummmm, code?
Amazing Work. Love seeing Norm in his environment !
It would be a absolute pleasure to be working with tom and norm Kevin’s a lucky man all that Knowledge you couldn’t buy that keep up the good work lads 🇮🇪
Wow! So much work but is looking amazing! Good job!
That's a really cool staircase and looks like a shit ton of work but the details used are awesome and looks like it'll last for 50 years.
The finished pic i saw has 1 handrail down the house side. Shouldn't there be one on both sides? And down the middle as well? I'm thinking building inspectors let anything go by if it's Norm and Tommy doing it.....
No because there is no chance of falling off the sides
@@daveklein2826 its code, it has nothing to do with falling off the sides....its so you dont fall down the stairs..
Every time I see a video like this I’m like “that’s easy, I can do that” yet I can’t hammer a nail down 😅
Tell ask about that special screw bit which seems to have a countersink, plus a felt tab as to not scratch the PVC riser.
They are called cortex screws for azek
doesn't the building code require railings for stairs over 3' or 4' high?
That’s what I was thinking too!
Imagine falling on those stairs and hitting the sharp corners. I'd put a railing over the corners, which would also give older people something to grab.
my thoughts too.
older people can use the rails that will be installed on the sides
Should have put fabric and. 3/4 clear stone below
there isnt a carpentry problem that Norm and Tommy cant handle
Very skilled guys. Thanks for the lesson😁👍
Tommy and Kevin have just great on-screen chemistry.
No water-ingress protection (primers/sealants/repellants/etc.) for the stringers?
Any water that goes down through that upper ype is gonna rot the stringers, no?
I thought they would’ve put a barrier between the stringer and the footing.
If I want to build corner stairs for a deck with a height of 26 inches, 26/8=3.25, so rounding up to 4 gives a rise of 26/4=6.5 inches. Do you just choose the tread depth based on your local building code (e.g. 12"), and pour your landing so the bottom of the stringer lands 3 treads x12"=3' away from the deck? I guess this means you have to calculate all this ahead of time, or pour a wide enough landing so there's some wiggle room.
Great show, big fan. But one question is about the railing for the stairs safety comes first.
Looks great but what about the handrails?
Only Biden supporters need handrails.
@@scarroll625 idiotic reply! Everything isn’t political.
How would you like to fall down those stairs drunk...lmao
@@Kevin-mp5of 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lot of work, lot details but at the end what a tremendous job.i like it 1👍
Ugh that domino tenon cutter is insanely overexpensive. I get that it's good, but jeez they want too much for that.
Tom with the Festool impact driver. Like a total boss.
Wow sorry I click and ad has fowl language to sell insurance?????
Excellent work , but too much for me to handle .......
Why not just use screws instead of glue and nails?