The biggest unanswered question for me is: "Why does the guy with the extreme allergy, going to a party where he KNOWS the thing he's allergic to will be freely available, choose to carry a gun, and not, say, an epi-pen?"
@@marquisofcarrabass he probably thinks he’s too manly for epipens or something like that. Or maybe he relied on Whiskey to bring one, but she forgot to bring it to the party itself
@@marquisofcarrabass it does. As the other person stated he would be to macho for that. He is shown to use women for everything he needs. That’s besides the point that it is only obviously an allergic attack after they declared it one. So even if he had a pen, they didn’t have a reason to use it when they thought he was poisoned. The only person that knew it was a reaction was the person to cause it in the first place on purpose.
I found the characters much more engaging than the ones in the first Knives Out movie. They're all portrayed as mostly regular people who got to positions of prominence mainly because of their willingness to accept the dictates of an overbearing billionaire.
Glass Onion seems to be more archetypes who were more superficially drawn than the deeper characters of Knives Out who, while all being entitled pricks, each had their own unique idiosyncracies in displaying it.
Does that show she wanted to be part of the group or does that show she can carve her own identity without other's helping her? Food for thought. I thought it was the later
As someone who formed the habit of drinking a glass of whiskey while taking a bath during lockdown, I loved seeing Benoit Blanc drinking wine in the bath.
I do not agree with the first one: Andy was the brain, but she had no charisma, and was the optimal behind the scene guy. Miles was not smart, but a good talker, who able to project visions, encourage others. A perfect front guy. Miles could sell a good plan (not his one), and could get people pumped up, could get them going, while Andy was the smart one who saw the potentials in others (including Miles), could build great plans, but without the necesarly people skills and ability to bullshit out herself from hard situations. They were the perfect couple for the role.
I wasn’t sure if I liked this movie better than the last one, but when I couldn’t even remember half the cast of the first one and the characters being more memorable in Glass Onion it became evident.
I assumed he was leeching ideas off of him, whatever they were. It makes me wonder too, if some of the stupid ideas didn't also come from him- with him clearly being a stoner.
The question I had is why Miles would send Andi an invite in the first place. Even if he wanted to make it look like he wasn't guilty, they had just gotten out of a bitter court case. No one would expect him to invite her. Other than that, I loved this movie, and I think it's an easy detail to overlook.
I'd expect him to invite her just based on how much he loves to gloat - and he could pass it off as being 'forgiving' which fits the persona he's crafted. I think it's the thing both his friends and the general public would find in character.
I ask myself the same question. he apparently never invited her before to those gatherings; also its conceivable that his puzzle guy took some time to make them, but knew he had to create 5 pieces, with Andi's murder occurring only some 2 weeks earlier, which would rule out the off chance of Miles sending it as a decoy to cover the fact of him knowing she wasnt alive anymore.
I think his invitation to Andi is a case of “keep your friends close but your enemies closer.” Maybe Andi had attended in the past but couldn’t go to the yacht one the previous year because of the lawsuit. Now that the lawsuit was over Miles was free to contact Andi. Or Miles is so dumb that he actually thinks he can still be friends with Andi.
Sending her one was part of his alibi/facade of innocence, imo. Willing to let bygones be bygones, etc. "I wanted to be friends again, why would I kill her?"
That is a fair statement since they made the dynamic so much different than the first one so it really is hard to compare them. They are both good but different. The director didn't want Knives Out even in the title, rather make it it's own movie.
Nah the first one felt more like an actual murder mystery film. Plus Blanc worked better as an unwitting third party not involved in the machinations of the characters involved as he did in the first film than in this one where he was actively working with Andi's sister to find the killer.
One thing that bugged me. They pointed out that Klear is dangerous because Nirmal house piping wouldn't be able to contain it in its gaseous state leading to hydrogen gas filling houses. The houses don't need the Klear though. Just connection to the power plant that runs on clear and is built to properly contain it. Radiation is super dangerous but it is still a viable power source because the dangerous part is contained in a building made for it. It's the same principle and, while Miles may have been too stupid to think of it, some of the scientists working on it should have been able to figure that out.
I wonder if Rian Johnson is hinting that Andi was as bad as the rest of them. The film shows us what kind of people with which she has chosen to surround herself. The film also makes clear that it is most definitely HER choice who to include in the gang. The film also depicts Miles' downfall as one of Hubris: Instead of destroying the evidence, he allows it to be searched for and found by the 'good guys'. His need to gloat becomes his undoing. It's a bit more subtle but the film mirrors this with Andi; it also depicts her downfall as of Hubris: Instead of securing the evidence, she allows it to be searched for and found by the 'bad guys'. Her need to gloat becomes her undoing. This symmetry is not by accident, Rian both directed the film and wrote the script. He meant it for the it ti be there. So, I wonder, is this Rian letting us know that ALL of them were bad people?
I think unlike the other Misfits, Miles probably came from a more affluent background and was able to use his family's money and influence to uplift the other members of his new crew. Andi likely brought him into the group because of the money and influence he wielded. That could have made him a valuable asset to the Misfits despite not having any real talent of his own.
The fact that none of Andi's former friends (except Birdie) knew of or even met Helen is a huge plot hole to me. Surely Miles who was Andi's partner should have known that she has an identical twin. One could argue that Andi wasn't particularly close with her twin sister, but then why would Helen be not only devastated by her death but was willing to go to great lengths to exposing her killer, from hiring Blanc to even posing as Andi on the island?
My guess is perhap Andi just mentioned she had a sister but didn't tell much about it to the gang since she didn't think it was anything important, and due to her and Helen were living pretty far away from each other (Helen's living in Alabama while Andi's in New York) so it would be difficult to let the gang and Helen met in person before the event of Glass Onion. Another theory is maybe Andi didn't want Helen to have any association with the gang, she perhap didn't want to involve Helen with them. When Helen came to Blanc she said after graduated Andi left to New York and never looked back ever since so that's probably why the gang didn't know about Helen despite knowing Andi had a twin sister.
It’s true that, apart from Birdie, the movie doesn’t make clear who knew about the twin. But I assume Miles knew and realises it is Helen and not Andi on the island from the start. And after Duke shows him the news report on Andi’s death, who does Miles think he is trying to murder if not Helen? A bigger problem is how Miles fails to make the very obvious connection between Helen and Blanc?
@@WonkoTheSane71 It's simple, really, because he's an idiot. The invitation boxes only had simple games, his murder mystery was easily solved by Blanc, plus he didn't write his own murder mystery and instead hired someone wrote it for him, and finally, he copied Blanc's idea about murdering someone in the dark, which he failed miserably. So with all the things I listed, it's safe to say that he didn't think Blanc and Helen were working together because of his stupidity.
that don't make no sense, so if like noone knew there was a twin then when duke sees the death announcement on google why did he go straight to Miles? if he didn't know there was a twin then he would not have automatically assumed miles killed Andi cause Andi was on the island...Duke is an idiot, no way he pieces all of that together....hell even if they all knew about the twin its not likely they catch on so quick...
I know this is the studios fault, that Rian Johnson didn't want this to have the subtitle because Glass Onion didn't need to be listed as a "Knives Out Mystery", these movies are like the old Bond movies, they had their own titles. The didn't need a subtitle like "From Russia With Love, a James Bond Adventure", I hope they drop the Knives Out subtitle in future movies
A curious possibility comes from Klear itself, which, while too instable to be a power supply might be useful as a powerful explosive. The reason we still uses TNT as the measurement of explosive potential is because even our technological advancements of chemical high explosives haven't been able to increase that potential by an order of magnitude. (I think our current best chemical high explosive is Octanitrocubane, which only is twice as effective at TNT in ideal conditions, and typically is less). If the little pill of Klear could detonate the Glass Union mansion (which a similar pill of C4 or Nitroglycerine could not) then it's likely Klear could have applications in military, mining and demolitions, for which we're always looking for a way to pack more bang into a tighter space. (Regarding nukes, while they're magnificently explosive at larger levels, at an exponential scale, their are problematic. First, their is the matter of nuclear fallout even with clean, small bombs -- The Soviet Union attempted to dig out a harbour with nukes and it made a radioactive mess -- and second, fissile reactions don't downscale easily. We have dial-a-yield bombs which are hundreds of pounds, but we'll still need way further development for a nuclear hand grenade or satchel charge. Or for that matter, a briefcase nuke that fits into a briefcase.)
@@ericlismumze9932 well, because of their falling out. You know, the whole trial thing, the lying and cheating, the ousting of her from the company. Nobody wanted her there, so why on earth WOULD you invite her?
I like to think with Miles now exposed as the fraud and facing legal consequences, Helen probably inherits most of her late sister's fortune which may have included shares in Alpha that Miles tried to deny Andi. It would be in line with how the first movie ended with Ana De Armas's inheriting the money and possessions she was given by her novelist employer.
One thing I noticed is that the napkin that Andi is show writing in the flashback is slightly different from the napkin that Helen shows Miles. Now I initially put this down to filming the writing scene multiple times and they used a different prop during the second reveal. But now I'm wondering if Andi didn't actually find THE napkin, but found a blank one from the Glass Onion bar and just wrote the plan on that one instead.
What I don't get is that Miles if killed Andi, wasn't he surprised when "Andi" showed up at the island? AND why did he give Andi a box if he knew that she was dead? Did Miles know that Andi had a twin? If he did, how did he not recognize her as the twin? Other than that, this movie was awesome!
The second point is obvious, he had to pretend he didnt know she was dead, so it was an alibi, sending her a box. And Miles surprise is very clear in the scene he sees her for the first time, Edward Norton does a great job of showing the surprise
Literally the point of the movie is that everyone is facing retribution (with most accepting blame) at the end, and that none of these questions matter because it is a character piece where the pretend economy of fuel sources, sweat shops, etc. don't matter.
SPOILERS: 1. How did these People make it big? Another TH-camr went into greater detail over this, but her basic theory is while Miles isn't the creative genius he wants everyone to think he is, he is a good manager. He's the type of person that can introduce you to the right kind of people who can get things done even if he can't get things done himself. 2. What did their company actually do? Insert high tech Macguffin here. 3. Did Birdie Jay take the fall for the sweatshop? It took someone burning a famous one of a kind painting for her to do the right thing for her friend and by then her friend was dead. I seriously doubt she'd find it in her to stick her neck out further. 4. Is Peg still working for Birdie? For the sake of her sanity, I hope not. 5. How did the murders affect Whiskey's brand? I hate to say it, but she probably will use it to her advantage. Influencers gonna influence. 6. Did Claire win her election? "I can see the Headlines! Governor jets off to Greece in a pandemic with a men's rights TH-camr who dies!" Not to mention the questions that will be asked when Birdie admits to the napkin being burned and everything that comes with that confession (think perjury). Not looking good for ol' Claire is what I'm saying. 7. Did Lionel stop the launch of Klear? Probably. He doesn't want to risk millions of lives, and since the company will probably go under after this incident anyway, and if he's willing to lie to a jury saying he saw Miles' car speeding away from Andi's house the day she died, he's got no reason to lick Miles' boots now. 8. What happened to Miles? If the past few years have taught me anything, it's that Miles will probably get more grief for the painting than he will if Lionel makes good on his claims about him fleeing Andi's murder. Because billionaires can get away with just about anything with enough lawyers, but people tend to get pissy when a great work of art is destroyed. Sad, but true. He might survive his trial but the court of public opinion is going to skewer him alive, and his investors are not going to like that. 9. How did Helen's life change after the party? If the others don't rat her out as the one who basically blew up the Mona Lisa and put it all on Miles, I think she'll just go home and grieve her sister. She's seen enough of the rich bitch lifestyle to know she doesn't want any part of it, so I doubt she'll try to make a play for the company, even if Alpha survives the coming onslaught.
It seems that it was the cure for the covid virus ... the movie is most likely mocking millionaires and their greedy nature making a joke on how it wouldn't be impossible for them to have the cure and not share it with the common folk
Yes. It was kind of a play on the conspiracy that billionaires have secret cures to things. It was mainly so they could have the rest of the movie without masks or social distancing.
It was a play on how during Covid the rich had access to the life saving drug before the mass public did. Like when Trump got Covid and was given that R drug it wasn’t available to every hospital in the country let alone every one who got sick.
Pros: the cast and acting. Breaking and destroying art. Cons: the mystery/story. Identical twin? Lazy writing. And half the movie was retelling the first act.
No. The biggest unanswered question is who the fuck is that stoner guy walking in the background saying "I'm not here" and why was he even a character in the movie if he didn't have any purpose??
The biggest unanswered question is why they not only sponsor RJ to write scripts but also how he somehow managed to be the frontrunner in best screenplay in award shows.
I had no intention of watching this movie until I heard Ben Shapiro crying because he thought the Miles character was based on Elon Musk. So I watched it and really liked it. Thanks Ben Shapiro for being a idiot, I never would've watched the movie without you.
It is based on Musk though: The eccentric tech billionaire with a rocket-company and a car-company who tweets and decides on weird ideas on a whim... You'd have to have a pretty low opinion on Rian Johnson's social awareness to think that that is unintentional. :)
@Tobias Henriksen it really isn't though. At least not fully. It's based on tech leaders. It's part Larry Ellison, part Steve Jobs, part Zuckerberg, part Jeff Bezos, and part Elon. It was written and filmed before Elon really showed everyone how much of an idiot he is. And miles doesn't tweet. He doesn't even own a phone. He faxes everything.
the plot hole here is that even if andi showed the napkin to anyone the whole gang testified in court Miles came up with the idea, so in the original trial or in any future court proceedings the napkin would likely be useless.
@@port555ful problem is a halfway competent lawyer is gonna point out that the watermark doesn't necessarily prove the napkin was legit, especially when there are 4 people saying it wasn't her idea. 4 witnesses or a napkin with a logo that could have been obtained later or duplicated...4 witnesses are going to win.
My inquiring mind wants to know, did Birdie get her Ren Diamond back and why did Miles send Andi a box? Their relationship was severed long before he sent the boxes.
@@lolkhjort I thought about that as well but they had been estranged for sometime since he took her company through such a public display so if anything sending her a box made him even more suspect to me. 🤷🏽♀️ But we have determined that Miles was just not very smart. 🤭
It could be that he wanted to make it seem like he was reaching out and being forgiving, which might make him seem less likely to murder her. Less animosity, less motive for murder, is my guess at what he was thinking. Fits with his hippie persona.
@@lolkhjort definitely a good thought as well but in thinking about that angle it made Miles seem as even more of a jerk to me when we learn Andi’s backstory. Like, who takes/steals someone’s livelihood and then invites them to a party? So from my vantage point as the audience it seems highly suspect but from the vantage point of those in the story I guess it would be an attempt to throw him off of the police’s scent. Thank you so much for this discourse. Sometimes you just need to talk it out. 😂🤣
I’m just going to say that the Mona Lisa is painted on wood, not canvas or any other material that curls when it’s burning. Miles was had by the person he borrowed it from. And that makes sense, as he was the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I thought about that as well. the peeling off could be burning canvas because it was in fact a replica that Louvre gave him for millions in rent and because he is such an idiot and even has paintings hanging upside down unknowingly he would never know, which would fit with the rest of his idiot trope, but not with the premise of the ending. the fire destroying Mona Lisa is the essential part in ruining him, not the two murders.
@@ThePuschkin1986 Yes, dramatically it is more satisfying. Working twenty years in The Los Angeles County Museum of Art makes me more upset I guess than others. I even cringed when they destroyed Arrangement in Grey and Black No. 1, best known under its colloquial name Whistler's Mother, in the Mr. Bean movie.🤣
Can someone explain to me how helen got a box because. If miles send it to andi (wich would be really dumb considering he killed her days before). How did helen get her hands on it?
The only reasoning I can come up with is that Helen got it while going through Andi's things after her death, so when she is in the garage destroying the box to open it that's Andi's garage she's in
My question is why did miles sent an invitation to andy after he knew he supposedly killed her? Just to make him look innocent? He didn't have to do that at all imo. They ended things badly everyone would agrees he wouldn't want her to the party. Or the invitation was before the murder? Im gonna watch that part again.
It's just a movie but... Miles is still going to be rich no matter what they say and it's pretty doubtful he'll go to prison either. For what? People saying he intentionally gave his friend pineapple? Good luck with that trial! And it's really unclear if they can prove he murdered Andi either.
The show was lazy writing and largely predictable. The ending made me dislike Hellen and wish that she end up in jail for destroying a priceless art work. I would be deeply disappointed if she becomes Blanc right hand man and ultimate replacement. At the end of the film I have sympathy for NONE of the characters and Blanc well was basically useless.
Yes only really stupid people would think this is a good movie. Its so dumb with lazy writing and burning the Mona Lisa is worst then killing some random lowlife
That soured the ending for me as well -- Helen chose to destroy one of the world's greatest and most beloved works of art just to "get" Miles. Writing-wise, it would have been better if the Mona Lisa had been destroyed by some kind of additional idiot move on Miles' part, perhaps even while Helen was trying to save it.
A fun angle: in reality, Andy was the selfish one who were not willing to risk her fortune to solve a large environmental issue, because she saw it as a risk to investment. She is the pencil pusher Wall Street guy who prioritize profit over social good. Miles were not a saint himself, neither, but he recognized that investing in clean energy what is the real great thing, the real disruption that changes the word, not pushing social media apps and celebrities.
Knives out reveals the killer within 15 minutes, then its just waiting for the reveal...Glass Onion you gotta get halfway in but only because thats when the murder actually happens...but we see Ed's character bring the drink over...so it takes like half a second to know who the killer is, then its just waiting for the reveal... there is just no mystery in the script, what really gets annoying is the film rags on clue as to simple...this film was WAYYYYY easier to figure out than a game of clue. a WAYY better murder mystery film has Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler in it.
Rotten Tomatoes is truly "Rotten"! 93% to this piece of shit movie? I understand its supposed to appeal to the Gen Z but its poorly written, and not atall engaging. Numerous plot holes like Miles had already murdered her sister and she comes to his island posing as her sister? How stupid!
This movie is only liked by the Miles of our society... People who pretend to be smart but really aren't... You have to have rocks for brains to think this was a decent film
@@barbiquearea it's whats wrong with our society people with big mouths just run that mouth constantly and others follow these individuals like they are gurus and give them their time and attention and money.... It's really sad state of affairs. It's Idiocracy and the emperor has no clothes on steroids. A few good recent examples are Sam Bankman Fried... And that liver king guy total complete fraudsters and the people bought into their lies and bullshit hook line and sinker
@@aaronpadley7266 it's called the truth and it's called reality... Imagine being so detached from reality someone points out fire is hot to you and water is wet... Your dumb ass question that person instead of understanding the truth they are espousing. It's the sad world we live in dumb people can't argue and refute points made anymore therefore they go right to the personal attacks and attacks the messenger.
You answered your own question. With some huge names attached its very easy for someone like Rian Johnson to get the funding he needed to make this film.
I think this movie was a exercise in being meta... Miles fools a bunch of people to buy and believe his bullshit doesn't stink... Rian Johnson makes a shitty movie and convinces big movie stars and critics his shit don't stink.... You see the parallel meta message here
You should of just watched the 1st one once more over this movie as white guy did it and minority woman the hero. LOL Rian Johnson Has Never Had An Original Idea.
What did you think of Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery?
He may have send her before murdering her, as everything happens within 2-3 weeks
1st one was way better. I feel like this one spelled everything out on a remedial level, hard yawn
The biggest unanswered question for me is:
"Why does the guy with the extreme allergy, going to a party where he KNOWS the thing he's allergic to will be freely available, choose to carry a gun, and not, say, an epi-pen?"
His characterization explains that perfectly.
@@bbsy1 Does it though? Given that it's established fairly clearly in the fb that he's not quite as thick as he pretends to be...
@@marquisofcarrabass he probably thinks he’s too manly for epipens or something like that. Or maybe he relied on Whiskey to bring one, but she forgot to bring it to the party itself
@@marquisofcarrabass it does. As the other person stated he would be to macho for that. He is shown to use women for everything he needs. That’s besides the point that it is only obviously an allergic attack after they declared it one. So even if he had a pen, they didn’t have a reason to use it when they thought he was poisoned. The only person that knew it was a reaction was the person to cause it in the first place on purpose.
@@bbsy1 surely he'd know himself? I do.
I found the characters much more engaging than the ones in the first Knives Out movie. They're all portrayed as mostly regular people who got to positions of prominence mainly because of their willingness to accept the dictates of an overbearing billionaire.
The characters in the first one were more one notes (rich kids), here it was more apparent they had their own personalities, unique struggles
Glass Onion seems to be more archetypes who were more superficially drawn than the deeper characters of Knives Out who, while all being entitled pricks, each had their own unique idiosyncracies in displaying it.
@@TheWasif yes, basically it was a different beast all together.
Peggy wrote her name on the solo cup, showing she wanted to be part of the group. She’s not to be pitied
Does that show she wanted to be part of the group or does that show she can carve her own identity without other's helping her? Food for thought. I thought it was the later
As someone who formed the habit of drinking a glass of whiskey while taking a bath during lockdown, I loved seeing Benoit Blanc drinking wine in the bath.
I do not agree with the first one: Andy was the brain, but she had no charisma, and was the optimal behind the scene guy. Miles was not smart, but a good talker, who able to project visions, encourage others. A perfect front guy. Miles could sell a good plan (not his one), and could get people pumped up, could get them going, while Andy was the smart one who saw the potentials in others (including Miles), could build great plans, but without the necesarly people skills and ability to bullshit out herself from hard situations. They were the perfect couple for the role.
I wasn’t sure if I liked this movie better than the last one, but when I couldn’t even remember half the cast of the first one and the characters being more memorable in Glass Onion it became evident.
No one is talking about the man who lived with miles in island. Which I think is the guy who is behind the idea of hydrogen replacing fossil fuels
I assumed he was leeching ideas off of him, whatever they were. It makes me wonder too, if some of the stupid ideas didn't also come from him- with him clearly being a stoner.
The question I had is why Miles would send Andi an invite in the first place. Even if he wanted to make it look like he wasn't guilty, they had just gotten out of a bitter court case. No one would expect him to invite her. Other than that, I loved this movie, and I think it's an easy detail to overlook.
He probably still wanted to be friends with andi tbh.
I'd expect him to invite her just based on how much he loves to gloat - and he could pass it off as being 'forgiving' which fits the persona he's crafted. I think it's the thing both his friends and the general public would find in character.
I ask myself the same question. he apparently never invited her before to those gatherings; also its conceivable that his puzzle guy took some time to make them, but knew he had to create 5 pieces, with Andi's murder occurring only some 2 weeks earlier, which would rule out the off chance of Miles sending it as a decoy to cover the fact of him knowing she wasnt alive anymore.
I think his invitation to Andi is a case of “keep your friends close but your enemies closer.”
Maybe Andi had attended in the past but couldn’t go to the yacht one the previous year because of the lawsuit. Now that the lawsuit was over Miles was free to contact Andi.
Or Miles is so dumb that he actually thinks he can still be friends with Andi.
Sending her one was part of his alibi/facade of innocence, imo. Willing to let bygones be bygones, etc. "I wanted to be friends again, why would I kill her?"
I like this one more than the first movie. Please don't hate me... 🤔😁
That is a fair statement since they made the dynamic so much different than the first one so it really is hard to compare them. They are both good but different. The director didn't want Knives Out even in the title, rather make it it's own movie.
Do I need to watch the first one to make this one make sense?
Movie tard
Felt the same way about the 2 flicks!
Nah the first one felt more like an actual murder mystery film. Plus Blanc worked better as an unwitting third party not involved in the machinations of the characters involved as he did in the first film than in this one where he was actively working with Andi's sister to find the killer.
One thing that bugged me. They pointed out that Klear is dangerous because Nirmal house piping wouldn't be able to contain it in its gaseous state leading to hydrogen gas filling houses. The houses don't need the Klear though. Just connection to the power plant that runs on clear and is built to properly contain it. Radiation is super dangerous but it is still a viable power source because the dangerous part is contained in a building made for it. It's the same principle and, while Miles may have been too stupid to think of it, some of the scientists working on it should have been able to figure that out.
I wonder if Rian Johnson is hinting that Andi was as bad as the rest of them.
The film shows us what kind of people with which she has chosen to surround herself.
The film also makes clear that it is most definitely HER choice who to include in the gang.
The film also depicts Miles' downfall as one of Hubris:
Instead of destroying the evidence, he allows it to be searched for and found by the 'good guys'.
His need to gloat becomes his undoing.
It's a bit more subtle but the film mirrors this with Andi; it also depicts her downfall as of Hubris:
Instead of securing the evidence, she allows it to be searched for and found by the 'bad guys'.
Her need to gloat becomes her undoing.
This symmetry is not by accident, Rian both directed the film and wrote the script. He meant it for the it ti be there.
So, I wonder, is this Rian letting us know that ALL of them were bad people?
Rian foreshadowed miles hubris by having miles have a painting of Icarus which is a story of hubris itself.
I think unlike the other Misfits, Miles probably came from a more affluent background and was able to use his family's money and influence to uplift the other members of his new crew. Andi likely brought him into the group because of the money and influence he wielded. That could have made him a valuable asset to the Misfits despite not having any real talent of his own.
The fact that none of Andi's former friends (except Birdie) knew of or even met Helen is a huge plot hole to me. Surely Miles who was Andi's partner should have known that she has an identical twin. One could argue that Andi wasn't particularly close with her twin sister, but then why would Helen be not only devastated by her death but was willing to go to great lengths to exposing her killer, from hiring Blanc to even posing as Andi on the island?
My guess is perhap Andi just mentioned she had a sister but didn't tell much about it to the gang since she didn't think it was anything important, and due to her and Helen were living pretty far away from each other (Helen's living in Alabama while Andi's in New York) so it would be difficult to let the gang and Helen met in person before the event of Glass Onion. Another theory is maybe Andi didn't want Helen to have any association with the gang, she perhap didn't want to involve Helen with them. When Helen came to Blanc she said after graduated Andi left to New York and never looked back ever since so that's probably why the gang didn't know about Helen despite knowing Andi had a twin sister.
Because the others would realise Andi's faking her accent majorly and the facade of group leader would fall
It’s true that, apart from Birdie, the movie doesn’t make clear who knew about the twin. But I assume Miles knew and realises it is Helen and not Andi on the island from the start. And after Duke shows him the news report on Andi’s death, who does Miles think he is trying to murder if not Helen?
A bigger problem is how Miles fails to make the very obvious connection between Helen and Blanc?
@@WonkoTheSane71 It's simple, really, because he's an idiot. The invitation boxes only had simple games, his murder mystery was easily solved by Blanc, plus he didn't write his own murder mystery and instead hired someone wrote it for him, and finally, he copied Blanc's idea about murdering someone in the dark, which he failed miserably. So with all the things I listed, it's safe to say that he didn't think Blanc and Helen were working together because of his stupidity.
that don't make no sense, so if like noone knew there was a twin then when duke sees the death announcement on google why did he go straight to Miles? if he didn't know there was a twin then he would not have automatically assumed miles killed Andi cause Andi was on the island...Duke is an idiot, no way he pieces all of that together....hell even if they all knew about the twin its not likely they catch on so quick...
I know this is the studios fault, that Rian Johnson didn't want this to have the subtitle because Glass Onion didn't need to be listed as a "Knives Out Mystery", these movies are like the old Bond movies, they had their own titles. The didn't need a subtitle like "From Russia With Love, a James Bond Adventure", I hope they drop the Knives Out subtitle in future movies
I thought Peg was worried about her professional reputation, rather than liking the perks of her job.
A curious possibility comes from Klear itself, which, while too instable to be a power supply might be useful as a powerful explosive. The reason we still uses TNT as the measurement of explosive potential is because even our technological advancements of chemical high explosives haven't been able to increase that potential by an order of magnitude. (I think our current best chemical high explosive is Octanitrocubane, which only is twice as effective at TNT in ideal conditions, and typically is less).
If the little pill of Klear could detonate the Glass Union mansion (which a similar pill of C4 or Nitroglycerine could not) then it's likely Klear could have applications in military, mining and demolitions, for which we're always looking for a way to pack more bang into a tighter space.
(Regarding nukes, while they're magnificently explosive at larger levels, at an exponential scale, their are problematic. First, their is the matter of nuclear fallout even with clean, small bombs -- The Soviet Union attempted to dig out a harbour with nukes and it made a radioactive mess -- and second, fissile reactions don't downscale easily. We have dial-a-yield bombs which are hundreds of pounds, but we'll still need way further development for a nuclear hand grenade or satchel charge. Or for that matter, a briefcase nuke that fits into a briefcase.)
Unanswered question: Why did Miles send an invitation to Andi ?!
To prove that he thought she was still alive.
those boxes prob took a year to make...so why not send it.
@@ericlismumze9932 well, because of their falling out. You know, the whole trial thing, the lying and cheating, the ousting of her from the company.
Nobody wanted her there, so why on earth WOULD you invite her?
Yeah! I never understood that either
Because the story writer didnt think it through. They fucked up. This piece doesnt even compare to the 1st knives out.
I like to think with Miles now exposed as the fraud and facing legal consequences, Helen probably inherits most of her late sister's fortune which may have included shares in Alpha that Miles tried to deny Andi. It would be in line with how the first movie ended with Ana De Armas's inheriting the money and possessions she was given by her novelist employer.
She might have to forfeit a lot with all the damage she caused
@@stevefeak5696 seriously, she might just go to prison... like grief doesn't provide a legal cover for that much arson 😂
One thing I noticed is that the napkin that Andi is show writing in the flashback is slightly different from the napkin that Helen shows Miles.
Now I initially put this down to filming the writing scene multiple times and they used a different prop during the second reveal.
But now I'm wondering if Andi didn't actually find THE napkin, but found a blank one from the Glass Onion bar and just wrote the plan on that one instead.
That's possible or maybe Helen merely tried and replicate it while still saving the true original 🤔
This helps me understand the series better and now I can really enjoy watching it! Thank you
My only question is this: is "Blanc girl" going to be a thing now?
@@arnaldofoto964 for sure
I'm more interested in who the hell is Derol =))))
Just a character that reminded Rian Johnson of a friend of his, other than that he serves no purpose in the overall film
What I don't get is that Miles if killed Andi, wasn't he surprised when "Andi" showed up at the island? AND why did he give Andi a box if he knew that she was dead? Did Miles know that Andi had a twin? If he did, how did he not recognize her as the twin? Other than that, this movie was awesome!
The second point is obvious, he had to pretend he didnt know she was dead, so it was an alibi, sending her a box.
And Miles surprise is very clear in the scene he sees her for the first time, Edward Norton does a great job of showing the surprise
The biggest mystery in Glass Onioin is this: How did Duke manage to smuggle a gun to Greece. It's the biggest flaw in the story.
If Blanc wasn't invited then why did he have a room and key ready and available upon arrival?
Exactly, this seems to be overlooked
Thank You 😀
Literally the point of the movie is that everyone is facing retribution (with most accepting blame) at the end, and that none of these questions matter because it is a character piece where the pretend economy of fuel sources, sweat shops, etc. don't matter.
SPOILERS:
1. How did these People make it big? Another TH-camr went into greater detail over this, but her basic theory is while Miles isn't the creative genius he wants everyone to think he is, he is a good manager. He's the type of person that can introduce you to the right kind of people who can get things done even if he can't get things done himself.
2. What did their company actually do? Insert high tech Macguffin here.
3. Did Birdie Jay take the fall for the sweatshop? It took someone burning a famous one of a kind painting for her to do the right thing for her friend and by then her friend was dead. I seriously doubt she'd find it in her to stick her neck out further.
4. Is Peg still working for Birdie? For the sake of her sanity, I hope not.
5. How did the murders affect Whiskey's brand? I hate to say it, but she probably will use it to her advantage. Influencers gonna influence.
6. Did Claire win her election? "I can see the Headlines! Governor jets off to Greece in a pandemic with a men's rights TH-camr who dies!" Not to mention the questions that will be asked when Birdie admits to the napkin being burned and everything that comes with that confession (think perjury). Not looking good for ol' Claire is what I'm saying.
7. Did Lionel stop the launch of Klear? Probably. He doesn't want to risk millions of lives, and since the company will probably go under after this incident anyway, and if he's willing to lie to a jury saying he saw Miles' car speeding away from Andi's house the day she died, he's got no reason to lick Miles' boots now.
8. What happened to Miles? If the past few years have taught me anything, it's that Miles will probably get more grief for the painting than he will if Lionel makes good on his claims about him fleeing Andi's murder. Because billionaires can get away with just about anything with enough lawyers, but people tend to get pissy when a great work of art is destroyed. Sad, but true. He might survive his trial but the court of public opinion is going to skewer him alive, and his investors are not going to like that.
9. How did Helen's life change after the party? If the others don't rat her out as the one who basically blew up the Mona Lisa and put it all on Miles, I think she'll just go home and grieve her sister. She's seen enough of the rich bitch lifestyle to know she doesn't want any part of it, so I doubt she'll try to make a play for the company, even if Alpha survives the coming onslaught.
What was the substance that they all had to have sprayed into their mouths before they got on the boat?
It seems that it was the cure for the covid virus ... the movie is most likely mocking millionaires and their greedy nature making a joke on how it wouldn't be impossible for them to have the cure and not share it with the common folk
My only question is, what was in that thing they drank before sailing? The cure for Covid?
Yes. It was kind of a play on the conspiracy that billionaires have secret cures to things. It was mainly so they could have the rest of the movie without masks or social distancing.
It was a play on how during Covid the rich had access to the life saving drug before the mass public did. Like when Trump got Covid and was given that R drug it wasn’t available to every hospital in the country let alone every one who got sick.
Pros: the cast and acting. Breaking and destroying art.
Cons: the mystery/story. Identical twin? Lazy writing. And half the movie was retelling the first act.
No. The biggest unanswered question is who the fuck is that stoner guy walking in the background saying "I'm not here" and why was he even a character in the movie if he didn't have any purpose??
Great movie 🍿🍿
I liked this movie …. I didn’t watch the first one but now I will .
The biggest unanswered question is why they not only sponsor RJ to write scripts but also how he somehow managed to be the frontrunner in best screenplay in award shows.
I had no intention of watching this movie until I heard Ben Shapiro crying because he thought the Miles character was based on Elon Musk. So I watched it and really liked it. Thanks Ben Shapiro for being a idiot, I never would've watched the movie without you.
It is based on Musk though: The eccentric tech billionaire with a rocket-company and a car-company who tweets and decides on weird ideas on a whim...
You'd have to have a pretty low opinion on Rian Johnson's social awareness to think that that is unintentional. :)
@Tobias Henriksen it really isn't though. At least not fully. It's based on tech leaders. It's part Larry Ellison, part Steve Jobs, part Zuckerberg, part Jeff Bezos, and part Elon. It was written and filmed before Elon really showed everyone how much of an idiot he is.
And miles doesn't tweet. He doesn't even own a phone. He faxes everything.
Kate Hudson is gorgeous 😍
She's so beautiful and she's amazing in this movie
Why would he send her the invitation if he already killed her? And why didn't andi just bring the napkin to the trial to prove she was the originator?
She didn’t find the napkin until after the trial and I guess he sent the invitation to not look suspicious but yeah I was a little confused about that
the plot hole here is that even if andi showed the napkin to anyone the whole gang testified in court Miles came up with the idea, so in the original trial or in any future court proceedings the napkin would likely be useless.
@@ericlismumze9932 Oh okay very good point 👍💯
@@ericlismumze9932 The napkin that Andi used had the glass onion watermark so hers was more valid
@@port555ful problem is a halfway competent lawyer is gonna point out that the watermark doesn't necessarily prove the napkin was legit, especially when there are 4 people saying it wasn't her idea. 4 witnesses or a napkin with a logo that could have been obtained later or duplicated...4 witnesses are going to win.
I have many!! Let's see if it's listed here! 😜💯
Why did Miles send Andi a puzzle box when he had already killed her? That's the big one
He thought if he sent her a box no one would suspect him of killing Andie.
My inquiring mind wants to know, did Birdie get her Ren Diamond back and why did Miles send Andi a box? Their relationship was severed long before he sent the boxes.
Sending Andi a box could make it seem like he didn't know she was dead, so it was probably meant as an alibi.
@@lolkhjort I thought about that as well but they had been estranged for sometime since he took her company through such a public display so if anything sending her a box made him even more suspect to me. 🤷🏽♀️ But we have determined that Miles was just not very smart. 🤭
It could be that he wanted to make it seem like he was reaching out and being forgiving, which might make him seem less likely to murder her. Less animosity, less motive for murder, is my guess at what he was thinking. Fits with his hippie persona.
@@lolkhjort definitely a good thought as well but in thinking about that angle it made Miles seem as even more of a jerk to me when we learn Andi’s backstory. Like, who takes/steals someone’s livelihood and then invites them to a party? So from my vantage point as the audience it seems highly suspect but from the vantage point of those in the story I guess it would be an attempt to throw him off of the police’s scent.
Thank you so much for this discourse. Sometimes you just need to talk it out. 😂🤣
I’m just going to say that the Mona Lisa is painted on wood, not canvas or any other material that curls when it’s burning. Miles was had by the person he borrowed it from. And that makes sense, as he was the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
That curling is the paint coming off the wood. You can see the wood underneath it. It doesn’t burn like fresh wood because of how old it is.
@@adey126 Yeah, I thought of that. But Im gonna go with my own fan fiction for now. ;)
I thought about that as well. the peeling off could be burning canvas because it was in fact a replica that Louvre gave him for millions in rent and because he is such an idiot and even has paintings hanging upside down unknowingly he would never know, which would fit with the rest of his idiot trope, but not with the premise of the ending. the fire destroying Mona Lisa is the essential part in ruining him, not the two murders.
@@ThePuschkin1986 Yes, dramatically it is more satisfying. Working twenty years in The Los Angeles County Museum of Art makes me more upset I guess than others. I even cringed when they destroyed Arrangement in Grey and Black No. 1, best known under its colloquial name Whistler's Mother, in the Mr. Bean movie.🤣
this list makes no sense....how would any one know what happened to the characters after the movie
Is it Rob Burnett narrating Looper videos? Love him on the John Campea show😘
Can someone explain to me how helen got a box because. If miles send it to andi (wich would be really dumb considering he killed her days before). How did helen get her hands on it?
The only reasoning I can come up with is that Helen got it while going through Andi's things after her death, so when she is in the garage destroying the box to open it that's Andi's garage she's in
Wouldn't all of the disruptors go to jail for perjury?
My question is why did miles sent an invitation to andy after he knew he supposedly killed her? Just to make him look innocent? He didn't have to do that at all imo. They ended things badly everyone would agrees he wouldn't want her to the party. Or the invitation was before the murder? Im gonna watch that part again.
He sent the boxes out before she found the napkin and sent the email and he decided to kill her.
I had no questions
Love the first Knives Out, this one was bloated and over the top.
I prefer the first one
It's just a movie but... Miles is still going to be rich no matter what they say and it's pretty doubtful he'll go to prison either. For what? People saying he intentionally gave his friend pineapple? Good luck with that trial! And it's really unclear if they can prove he murdered Andi either.
Just like Knives out, The Rich ones in the end got Poor
The show was lazy writing and largely predictable. The ending made me dislike Hellen and wish that she end up in jail for destroying a priceless art work. I would be deeply disappointed if she becomes Blanc right hand man and ultimate replacement. At the end of the film I have sympathy for NONE of the characters and Blanc well was basically useless.
Yes only really stupid people would think this is a good movie.
Its so dumb with lazy writing and burning the Mona Lisa is worst then killing some random lowlife
That soured the ending for me as well -- Helen chose to destroy one of the world's greatest and most beloved works of art just to "get" Miles. Writing-wise, it would have been better if the Mona Lisa had been destroyed by some kind of additional idiot move on Miles' part, perhaps even while Helen was trying to save it.
I liked this one better than knives out
Who is the actor at 2:56?
First movie was better, this one is just plain dumb
I agree. And the ending felt so rushed and stupid.
So why make the Benoit Blanc character gay?
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A fun angle: in reality, Andy was the selfish one who were not willing to risk her fortune to solve a large environmental issue, because she saw it as a risk to investment. She is the pencil pusher Wall Street guy who prioritize profit over social good. Miles were not a saint himself, neither, but he recognized that investing in clean energy what is the real great thing, the real disruption that changes the word, not pushing social media apps and celebrities.
Knives out reveals the killer within 15 minutes, then its just waiting for the reveal...Glass Onion you gotta get halfway in but only because thats when the murder actually happens...but we see Ed's character bring the drink over...so it takes like half a second to know who the killer is, then its just waiting for the reveal...
there is just no mystery in the script, what really gets annoying is the film rags on clue as to simple...this film was WAYYYYY easier to figure out than a game of clue. a WAYY better murder mystery film has Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler in it.
Hey buddy, you just blow in from stupid town?
@@enzo8724 i do not understand your response, try using your words. the film was stupid...not my fault.
Rotten Tomatoes is truly "Rotten"! 93% to this piece of shit movie? I understand its supposed to appeal to the Gen Z but its poorly written, and not atall engaging. Numerous plot holes like Miles had already murdered her sister and she comes to his island posing as her sister? How stupid!
I won't see any movie with Ed Norton, and no he's not a great actor.
This movie is only liked by the Miles of our society... People who pretend to be smart but really aren't... You have to have rocks for brains to think this was a decent film
Imagine being so arrogant you think your opinion counts as a fact and anyone who disagrees is dumb
Miles is the poster child of the Dunning Kruger effect.
@@barbiquearea it's whats wrong with our society people with big mouths just run that mouth constantly and others follow these individuals like they are gurus and give them their time and attention and money.... It's really sad state of affairs. It's Idiocracy and the emperor has no clothes on steroids. A few good recent examples are Sam Bankman Fried... And that liver king guy total complete fraudsters and the people bought into their lies and bullshit hook line and sinker
@@aaronpadley7266 it's called the truth and it's called reality... Imagine being so detached from reality someone points out fire is hot to you and water is wet... Your dumb ass question that person instead of understanding the truth they are espousing. It's the sad world we live in dumb people can't argue and refute points made anymore therefore they go right to the personal attacks and attacks the messenger.
How can you make such a trash movie with some of the best actors and 100mio budget?
easy, they didn't. It is highly rated by critics and viewers. You know if you don't like something it might just be you right?
You answered your own question. With some huge names attached its very easy for someone like Rian Johnson to get the funding he needed to make this film.
I think this movie was a exercise in being meta... Miles fools a bunch of people to buy and believe his bullshit doesn't stink... Rian Johnson makes a shitty movie and convinces big movie stars and critics his shit don't stink.... You see the parallel meta message here
@@punchforpound2808 Funny how you have to make up a conspiracy just to prove you are right in liking a movie. That's not sociopath at all!
Mediocre movie. Characters lack coherence, the whole story makes little to no sense and the ending is.... well, rather awful.
You should of just watched the 1st one once more over this movie as white guy did it and minority woman the hero. LOL Rian Johnson Has Never Had An Original Idea.
This movie was horrible