@@HockeyDudeJames2 honestly it should make Lamar's case better. The bills got blown out by Baltimore, and the point difference there is worse than the ravens losses combined
38-10 beat the brakes off dude but he a white boy and is the “MVP fav” every year and barely gets 1 vote just the betting odds cuz there’s a lot of white betters Vegas wanna get all that money But Lamar gon beat the eagles this week cuz Lamar don’t lose to the nfc and then he gon be right up as the fav and will win another MVP
Stephen A: Josh Allen should be MVP Josh Allen: gets blown out by Ravens Stephen A: Jared Goff should be MVP Jared Goff: Throws 5 picks Stephen A: Barkley should be MVP Stephen A: after Sunday ???? If I was a betting man I would say he jumps to Patrick Mahomes by Monday. Lamar is on pace to have the best passer rating in history. This is a regular season award but he down plays it by bringing up the playoffs. SAS reminds me of female sports analysts who go with what’s trending to appear like he’s the smartest in the room.
@E-Money1130 This is why these casuals and haters can't name another 2x time mvp QB that has been disrespected and doubted like the Great Lamar Demetrius Jackson.
For the last 2 months Stephen A. Have mentioned almost the entire NFL as the MVP but LAMAR ….like seriously who can actually take him seriously? And he wonder why SHAY SHAY said he don’t know ball 🙄😂😂
Nah he on to something as a Texans fan eagles last year had a crash and i think saquon has been a difference maker I thought mixon was gonna do the same😭
People like bringing up Henry to knock Lamar’s case but don’t want to bring up Hurts running ability, A.J Brown & D. Smith on the outside & how good the O-line is 😂
Hurts is an alright scrambler he’s actually been throwing deep this year more than most and Saquon is opening up plays for everyone he’s very valuable to the team because he can be a one man horse as we seen on the giants so then you have to try to focus on That and Aj and smith it’s just a lot hence why he’s considered mvp over any of them he’s clearly elevated this team the offense fell off hard last season and it literally looks like Saquon revived them not to rain on Jackson’s horse either tho because he’s played great but they have lost regardless the eagles are winning and Saquon is ok pace to break a long time record
It doesn’t matter. If QBs are so important you should be able to make up for missed field goals and win anyway. Jake Elliot has missed like 5 of them this year. The eagles won anyway because Saquon keeps scoring.
@@goodnightmunchie smh you playing that card assuming I’m doing it ijs Lamar beat Josh Allen head to head Josh Allen still get more respect he’ll he beat a rookie jayden Daniel’s and they tried to compare the two and still they downplaying his season forget color this is disrespectful to the skill level and hierarchy of football peon
The media throw Lamar name in there to give them a reason to bash him .....Talk about how the Bengals and Joe Burrow will be sitting at home ...Talk about how Lamar has beaten Herbert Burrow and Allen this year ....🎯
@CoachRJ334 I'm not yall dude. I dont crown anything. But getting a pass for losing to the raiders and browns is crazy if it was any other qb they get dragged.
It is a team success lol how valuable are you when your team isn’t good? Putting up individual stats when your team isn’t good is meaningless real MVPs lead their teams to wins ‼️
Funny how every QB gets context losses but Lamar! Foxworth literally calls SAS out about Burrow and chargers when SAS tried to blame bengals loss on FG kicker! “We can say same about 🐦⬛ “ SAS crickets 🦗 🦗🦗🦗
The weirdest thing is when the ravens lose the commentators say they passed too much. Really.. the same one they call mvp can’t win the game when the ball is in his hands majority of the time?
@@TooTrill_ForTv I find it weird that a QB won last year and wasn't in the top five in any major passing category and his #1 defense was the real MVP. We saw that in the playoffs.
Have a feeling this debate will pretty much be settled after Sunday. Eagles vs Ravens. Both teams will be trying to make multiple statements, including MVP cases for their guys. Can't wait
If Saquon does break the record and the Eagles have a better record you gotta give it to Saquon. Not to say Lamar ain’t balling but at that point Saquon would have done something literally historic.
Why is the MVP a QB award? If that’s the case, just name it the Best QB award. Don’t want to hear about how the QB is the most important position. Everyone has a pivotal role in football. Other positions should be given a shot.
The QB position is arguably the most important in football. QBs are in most cases the difference between being a contender or a bad team. That’s why they win MVPs.
Jalen Hurts getting injured would be a bigger loss than Saquon. That should tell you all you need to know about who is the most “Valuable” player. All love to Saquon tho he is a beast and if we’re having a best player discussion then thats a different story.
Like the other guy said, a great qb can affect the game more than a great rb. They both can be absolute game changers, but the qb is definitely the most important position. It's now at the point where someone like Saquon this year or Hill last year need to have near single season records to even be considered.
Neither. In 2003 Jamal Lewis missed breaking the all time rushing record by 40 yards and got 5 MVP votes. Priest Holmes topped 2000 yards from scrimmage and had 27 TD's that year. He got 3. Peyton Manning and Steve McNair both got 16 and split the MVP. Stop acting like they're going to give it to a running back.
Something tells me it might be split between Lamar and Josh because they wanna give Josh a MVP so bad lol….could def see a Lamar and Josh co-MVP situation
@@4nanymous4812 We just seen a prime example(Caleb Williams today or Dolphins without Tua) of what it looks like when a receiver catches slightly inaccurate passes on a routine basis looks like. The fact that the Ravens WR has so much YAC is due to Lamar throwing the ball accurately on a consistent basis. This a also a strength of Brock Purdy(and more importantly Tom Brady).
Last year proved the mvp is a qb award when lamar was able to win it with pedestrian stats people should just accept the fact that no other position besides qb will ever win mvp again
Yeah he completely shattered his numbers from last year already. All QBs struggled bad last year. 😂 Mahomes,Josh Allen and Lamar all had their worst seasons last year. Meanwhile McCaffery had his best season and one of the best RB seasons and he didn’t get it. Heck was Derrick Henry even considered for it after his 2,000 yard season a few years back? 😂
Lmaoooo The 2 running backs on Detroit are playing just as well as Barkley if not better 😂😂😂😂 yall are so ridiculous Lamar is the Clear MVP nobody is doing what he does everytime he touches the ball running and running passing
Allen isn't the best player, but he's the most VALUABLE for sure. He's been the only reason Bills are winning. He is literally carrying that team all by himself all season. Even before the Cooper trade. Most VALUABLE is Josh Allen this year.
A few weeks ago he had a game against the colts where he threw two interceptions and 0 Touchdowns and the bills still won the game so no it’s not just him winning the games for buffalo
Josh Allen is leading the mvp off the fact he beat pat thats it 😐Lamar should easily be leading in mvp and according to Stephen a he blamin Lamar for the Steelers loss when his kicker missed two field goals his tight end and running back both fumble and his other runnin back got the ball stripped from em for a pick while they were driving
@@pmndza2002 Allen is a stud, and so is Lamar. These dudes are 28 and 27 years old, bruh. They've got time. Just enjoy the show and look forward to bragging to your grandkids you got to see them play
SAS, Ravens Kicker lost the game against Pittsburgh along with the dropped passes by the receivers. STOP SAS. While they are other candidates, Lamar is clearly the MVP thus far. Saquan is Crazy!!!
Forget the fact that Adrian Peterson won the MVP in 2012. Shaun Alexander won the MVP in 2005. LaDainian Tomlinson won the MVP in 2006. Marshall Faulk won the MVP in 2000. Emmitt Smith won the MVP in 1993. Derrick Henry had 2,027 rushing yards with 17 TDs in 2020 & should've been in the MVP conversation that year. He didn't get a single MVP vote that year. Christian McCaffrey finished 3rd in the MVP voting a year ago. He was my choice for league MVP, not Lamar Jackson. Saquon Barkley is the MVP of the league this season. His performance & production is a the number one reason why the Eagles are 9-2 right now.
This whole Lamar campaign, is hilarious lmao. Cause the exact narrative the media is trying to use right now, would have been held against him last year. Like the dumb girl on the panel said "hes putting up better numbers than when he won MVP last year', yeah cause he shouldnt have won lmao. He only won because the Ravens defense was playing out of their minds and carried them to the #1 seed. Theyre also the only ones who showed up in the playoffs. Held Mahomes to 17 pts and the Ravens couldnt score. So now this year, he has good stats, but his team has regressed and NOW stats matter? lmao. Not to mention, every loss the ravens have this year, has a common denominator. When Derrick Henry doesnt eat, they lose. Derrick Henry is the MVP of the Ravens, not Lamar. 4 games they decided to put the ball in Lamars hands to win the game, 4 times they lost. Then you have to consider story line. The Bills were predicted to be third in their division and miss the playoffs. You can argue that is silly, in hindsight, but its the truth. Before the season it was "Diggs made Allen, now hes gone. Allen cant win without a #1 receiver. Davis is gone. Hyde is gone. Poyer is gone. Tre White is gone. So their defense will be bad". Now theyre fighting for the #1 seed, have the best starting record theyve had since 1992 and Allen is having the best season of his career. Mind you, with no Derrick Henry in his backfield, a first ballot HoF. Last year Allen demolished Lamar is stats, had 15 more TDs than him, but you couldnt give it to him cause of turnovers. Well now he doesnt have those, while having a comparable season, with FAR worse offensive weapons and help around him. Allen is by far and away, the Most VALUABLE Player for his team. Take Henry off the Ravens, they may be .500 right now. 2pt conversion for the Ravens to tie the steelers the other weel, Lamar cant get it. "Why wasnt Henry out there getting the ball". Lamar cant do it? 4th and 2, to put the game away, against the only undefeated team in football.......Allen says "fine, ill do it myself" and runs 26 yards for a TD and ices the game.
CMC hasn’t even played as many games as Barkley😂plus the media has been all over Barkley for the past 2-3weeks. You live under a rock Patrick star🤣🤦♂️
Because of cmc’s melanin Levels 😅😅 Saquon and Henry have always been better backs than cmc but cmc is the only running back that people don’t question him getting paid top dollar.
Excuse me Mr Hairline in danger me and the people would like and deserve a non bias , non hateful response when in reference to Mr Jackson the question was about the player not the team 💥
Saquans opponents vs the Rush... LAR #27, WAS #31, DAL #29, JAX #26, CIN #20, NYG #28, CLE #23... stop with this MVP madness, he hasnt played a real defense... And he definitely won't be the best player on the field during his game Sunday.
They said Philly oline playing tremendous this year like they been playing bad in past years ngl any rb goes to Philly n have a career yr and fall off when they leave saquan just happens to be a top 5 rb
Henry opponents vs the rush JAX, WAS, CLE, CIN, DAL, TAM #16, LAC #15, BUF #13. So what are we talking about 😂😂😂 you played a lot of the same teams And on top of that Lamar has played a lot of bad pass defenses and lost to the Raiders and Browns 😂😂😂
So SA going to keep mentioning Lamar has Derrick Henry but completely ignore the fact that Saquon has one of the best OL's in the game? Also we're going to act like Lamar doesn't make Henry more potent and lethal as well? And with regard to having weapons, when did we start holding that against QBs when it comes to being great or the MVP? We didn't do that with Peyton. We didn't do that with Mahomes with his first MVP when he had a prime Tyreek and prime Kareem and prime Kelce
You asking Sequan to break a 1984 record that was set with less regular season games. Just don’t hit like it used to for running backs. QB the only real choice primarily other positions don’t matter as much
It's ironic when Stephen A says Orlovsky changes the narrative, When Stephen A has! Dan said he's top 5 MOST IMPORTANT to their team. Not that people don't appreciate him. Tua is mad important to Miami, which shows his value.
But I thought jayden was the feont runner for mvp, see whats happens when you put someone in a spot they didnt earn to be in just like when they were pushing russell that flopped too
So by Stephen's A logics Dhenry is the reason for lamar putting up all these stats then why ain't JHurts Doing the same having Barkley in his back feild with 2 Wide receiver 1s... Stephen will do everything in his power to discredit everything lamar did and has been doing
Stephen A needs to stop Pandering! Lamar Jackson is the MVP! Saquon has 1000 yards rushing before he is touched! Lamar is leading the most efficient offense since greatest show on turf and he is the biggest weapon
I was excited when she said Stephen a was wrong but she followed up with a bunch of nothing 😂😂😂 she helped his point out by bringing up saqoun is on pace to do something legendary 😂😂
Win loss record should be weighed heavily. That goes for coach of the year too. It shouldn't go to Dabol or Nagy with a slightly above average while the coach with best record and wins the super bowl doesn't get rewarded.
MVP should go to the player that wills their team to victory that would otherwise be garbage. I hate when they give it to the best player on the best team every year. It should be whoever individually does the most to impact the team and league, like when Westbrook won in the NBA and they were a 4 seed, that made sense because he literally made OKC competitive
That stat Woody gave is INACCURATE! Saquon has over 600 yards rushing before contact not over 1000 Woody check your facts. Second right now Lamar is the MVP. It’s going to be interesting though if the Ravens lose 1 or 2 more games and or even if they don’t win their division. Last year was the year to break the MVP to a QB narrative cause no QB had great numbers last year. CMC should’ve been MVP last year. This year it will be Lamar then Josh then Goff before even getting to Saquon.
If I were a voter, I'd go with Josh. Lamar is having a historic season. But he has Derrick Henry now. So you kind of figured he'd have a bump from his already MVP season last year. If you beat the Chiefs' defense without 2 of your best weapons, win of the season. Could it still go to Lamar? Sure. The Ravens did spank the Bills earlier in the season. But the media should add some context to performances. Don't just look at the numbers. Look at the additions to the team. And what we expect. I'm a Lamar fan, but I expected him to ball out this year. He was MVP last year, and they added Derrick Henry to the team. Everyone expected this to be a soft rebuild for the Bills and Josh Allen took that personally.
Lamar's put up crazy numbers every season of his career WITHOUT weapons. He didn't have anything close to what Allen had to play with for years, and we saw where the Bills were headed before they went out and got him a weapon. Lamar does more with less. He's leading the league across the board - as you say, a historic season. He is undeniably the most dominant player at this position and produces the most value being the greatest dual threat QB ever with one of the best arms and IQs in football. Allen will get his eventually, but he should have to earn it by actually being the most valuable player in football, which he presently is not. That is Lamar Jackson.
@@HockeyDudeJames2Derrick Henry is right behind saquan for less than 60 or so rushing yards and Derrick leads the league in rushing tds. You act like Derrick Henry can’t have a good game and knock the saquan discussion out of the park.
Stephen A has no other argument but who Baltimore lost too. In which the defense cost them game against Cleveland with the dropped game saving INT and its a division game and Pittsburgh has also lost to Cleveland. Lamar did his job against Las Vegas the defense gave away the game and the momentum was lost. And he has kept them in every game. Theyre getting to the point in which theyre getting tired by his greatness and its showing. But hes also leading the league in passing yards. The loss is a team issue not a Lamar issue.
It's crazy that everyone is just not saying anything about Josh Allen he is the guy running away with the MVP he is doing it with nobody's and he is doing it*quietly. I'm a Eagles fan and I think Josh Allen should be the frontrunner
Lamars on pace to make history at a more valuable position ! SAS knows this. If it were josh vs derrick henry he would laugh n say the QB ! They will see sunday the difference
I love Barkley but mans right these are video game numbers from Lamar Jackson I know his d-line is bad this year but I hope he has enough big weapons on his side this year in Derrick Henry and zay flowers to out score the big teams in the playoffs
Derrick Henry has virtually the same amount of yards and more touchdowns than Saquan. Why is no one making the case that Henry could be MVP and break the record as well?
Because That Eagles team was so bad before saquon they won 10 straight last year and was in the Super Bowl the previous year. Also, if you switched Quarterbacks, Lamar would have more passing yards and Saquon would still be balling. But Jalen wouldn’t be having as much success and I don’t think Henry would be dominating like he is, with Jalen on the ravens
@ I understand your point. Can it also be said that Saquan wouldn’t be as good if didn’t have the Eagles offensive line? I mean I get what you are saying, but we could quite possibly have a scenario where both Saquan AND Henry break the rushing record. Makes things interesting.
Lamar will win mvp its far and away at this point , if saquan gets the eric Dickerson record only way I see lamar still winning it is if he puts up something even crazier like 4500 & 1000 with 45+ total td both in my opinion with the remaining games is a stretch. Saquon has 6 games left he would need 133 a game which is possible but he has two of the top 5 rushing defenses in those games. Say saquon does it lamar has 5 games so he would have to average 300 passing yards 80 rush yards and 3 tds a game. Right now though it's far and away lamar only thing in his way is saquon some how getting that record which would be amazing. The ranking right now is 1. LAMAR Though dealing with a terrible defense 31st in passing. He is putting up one of the greatest seasons ever. 2.SAQUON Having a great year but without the record no shot at beating lamar , so happy for saquon man bro deserves this success just for suffering in new york 3.Josh Allen Though Josh is 9-2 outside the chiefs they haven't beaten anybody over 500. His stats are just not nearly on lamars level and lamar hasnt turned the ball over to lessen his stats impact. Though If he beats niners and lions and plays great it would make it interesting between him and lamar. Only reason I have him under saquon is because if the votes went in right now and people couldn't vote lamar I truly believe saquon would beat josh out even though i would disagree. I have no argument for him at 2 though just my thoughts. 4. Jared goff Being a great game manager I honestly would rather burrow got the mvp than goff just this years brock purdy in a way 5. I honestly don't know I keep saying pat mahomes at 5 by the media and just don't get it yea he 10-1 but it's despite mahomes not because of him.
It's burrow, no it's Jared, no it's Allen, no its Saquon. lol anyone but 8 please - Stephen A.
He’s a goofy , lmfaooo he keeps flipping
If Saquan dominates the Ravens. Then yes he should be ahead of Lamar who lost to minshew and Winston lol
he won’t tho
@@HockeyDudeJames2 honestly it should make Lamar's case better. The bills got blown out by Baltimore, and the point difference there is worse than the ravens losses combined
Lamar leads ALL Major QB category statistics. How is he second to Allen, who isnt top 10 in anything except 1 stat🤣🤣🤣
And he beat Josh 35-10😂😂
38-10 beat the brakes off dude but he a white boy and is the “MVP fav” every year and barely gets 1 vote just the betting odds cuz there’s a lot of white betters Vegas wanna get all that money
But Lamar gon beat the eagles this week cuz Lamar don’t lose to the nfc and then he gon be right up as the fav and will win another MVP
Stephan A career started in Philly he bias af switch his stance every week
@@deshamallah2265fact’s
Josh Allen is white that's why.
Stephen A: Josh Allen should be MVP
Josh Allen: gets blown out by Ravens
Stephen A:
Jared Goff should be MVP
Jared Goff: Throws 5 picks
Stephen A: Barkley should be MVP
Stephen A: after Sunday ????
If I was a betting man I would say he jumps to Patrick Mahomes by Monday.
Lamar is on pace to have the best passer rating in history. This is a regular season award but he down plays it by bringing up the playoffs.
SAS reminds me of female sports analysts who go with what’s trending to appear like he’s the smartest in the room.
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It’s fluid bro don’t you know 🤣🤣🤣
@@joshwash9977 u fucked up da 💯 niggas had goin😂
Stephen A be making some dumb points. You mentioned Derrick Henry but don’t mention Saquan having Hurts AJ brown and Devonta smith.
Facts
AJ Brown and Devonta have both missed 3 or more games this year though bruh…last time I checked Derrick Henry has been healthy all year
To most people Hurts stinks
He definitely did. Smh. Y'all have selective hearing
@@UCanGetWitThisOrUCanGetWitThat he mentioned it in passing but he wasn't mentioning it to downplay saquan like he was Lamar.
Stephen A wants anybody but Lamar. Burrow, then Goff, then Allen, now Barkley. There's only one constant....
He’s a goofy , keeps flip flopping
They do this ish every week with Lamar and when he toasts them they pick somebody else 😂
@@E-Money1130 facts, we can go down the line since week 3.
@ heck yeah we can 😂
@E-Money1130 This is why these casuals and haters can't name another 2x time mvp QB that has been disrespected and doubted like the Great Lamar Demetrius Jackson.
For the last 2 months Stephen A. Have mentioned almost the entire NFL as the MVP but LAMAR ….like seriously who can actually take him seriously? And he wonder why SHAY SHAY said he don’t know ball 🙄😂😂
@kingroyalty9621 He doesn't! SAS is just a plant in a suit that says whatever his bosses tell him to say
Did this lady really just give her reasoning to give it to Lamar as, “it usually goes to quarterbacks”🤡
Kimberly talking football makes me wince
Her dad is probably CEO of First Take
DEI hire. Stumbles over her points all the time and barely makes sense
I don't like her and I wish she would be on the show when Cam is on there. Saying all that she's not wrong. The MVP turned into a quarter back award.
9 times out of 10 she makes a terrible argument
30 TD 3 INT nothing compares
Facts!!!
Yet he’s 8-4.
Saquon is running all over your overrated team this Sunday 🤣 gonna be great!
All interceptions were tips also, not straight up
@@JKerr178y'all the same fans that use to call Saquan overrated when he was with Giants typical sunshine Philly fans
Stephen A sounds like a Lamar hater
He always has been, moves the goalpost for him all the time
Hates our "brother"
Voter fatigue
He was a philly beat writer in the beginning of his career he bias at heart
Nah he on to something as a Texans fan eagles last year had a crash and i think saquon has been a difference maker I thought mixon was gonna do the same😭
People like bringing up Henry to knock Lamar’s case but don’t want to bring up Hurts running ability, A.J Brown & D. Smith on the outside & how good the O-line is 😂
they act like saquon could've broke the rushing record in ny
Hurts is an alright scrambler he’s actually been throwing deep this year more than most and Saquon is opening up plays for everyone he’s very valuable to the team because he can be a one man horse as we seen on the giants so then you have to try to focus on
That and Aj and smith it’s just a lot hence why he’s considered mvp over any of them he’s clearly elevated this team the offense fell off hard last season and it literally looks like Saquon revived them not to rain on Jackson’s horse either tho because he’s played great but they have lost regardless the eagles are winning and Saquon is ok pace to break a long time record
Nor gonna talk about the two missed feildgoals in that steelers loss. We just ignore that
Or the five missed redzone trips that resulted in field goals instead of touchdowns in that Steeler win
Or the fact that Henry is like 40 yards behind sequan. Or how sequin breaking a record with a extra game or two😂😂😂
And 3 fumbles. Also Remember a drop interception against Cleveland to end that game
@@keithsimon6241Saquon has played 11 games and Derrick has played 12…
It doesn’t matter. If QBs are so important you should be able to make up for missed field goals and win anyway. Jake Elliot has missed like 5 of them this year. The eagles won anyway because Saquon keeps scoring.
The media treat Lamar wrong
Not all of them
Lmao playing the African victim card 🚬😊
@@goodnightmunchie smh you playing that card assuming I’m doing it ijs Lamar beat Josh Allen head to head Josh Allen still get more respect he’ll he beat a rookie jayden Daniel’s and they tried to compare the two and still they downplaying his season forget color this is disrespectful to the skill level and hierarchy of football peon
@@goodnightmunchieand you're playing the in-denial mayonnaise mutant card because the hate comes from your ppl
@@goodnightmunchielike they always do.
The media throw Lamar name in there to give them a reason to bash him .....Talk about how the Bengals and Joe Burrow will be sitting at home ...Talk about how Lamar has beaten Herbert Burrow and Allen this year ....🎯
*MIGHT be sitting at home
Did lamar beat Gardner minshew 😂😂😂😂😂😂 and Winston 😂😂😂😂
@@dorothyhunter4656 he beat those golden boys though that y'all love to crown 👑
@CoachRJ334 I'm not yall dude. I dont crown anything. But getting a pass for losing to the raiders and browns is crazy if it was any other qb they get dragged.
@CoachRJ334 I hope yall lose to the eagles and another loss to the steelers gonna put him out contention anyway 🤞
Stephen A is trying to make the MVP award a team success. It's an individual award.
True but then again inherently how can you be MvP if your team is ranked low
@@TherealestndagalaxyI mean dexter Lawrence for the giants. You technically could have someone really really good but the rest of the team is trash
It is a team success lol how valuable are you when your team isn’t good? Putting up individual stats when your team isn’t good is meaningless real MVPs lead their teams to wins ‼️
Facts
@@Therealestndagalaxyyour acting like 7-4 is low, that’s one of the best records in the afc
Funny how every QB gets context losses but Lamar! Foxworth literally calls SAS out about Burrow and chargers when SAS tried to blame bengals loss on FG kicker! “We can say same about 🐦⬛ “ SAS crickets 🦗 🦗🦗🦗
The weirdest thing is when the ravens lose the commentators say they passed too much. Really.. the same one they call mvp can’t win the game when the ball is in his hands majority of the time?
What do you mean, the media been overlooking his bad losses to the Raiders and Browns all year, like they didn't happen
@@TooTrill_ForTvthey usually lose when Lamar passes more than 25 times. There's a large enough sample size now.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 don’t you find it weird that a mvp qb doesn’t win when he passes 25+ times
@@TooTrill_ForTv I find it weird that a QB won last year and wasn't in the top five in any major passing category and his #1 defense was the real MVP. We saw that in the playoffs.
Kimberly is honestly just a complete L for first take
All her reasoning was “it’s a quarterback award”
No she’s not.
I'm starting to think the same thing lol
Eagles was already a NFC favorite before Saquon got there
4:59 why not make an award for just QBs? The MVP should go to the best player on the field every Sunday and that’s Barkley.
Lamar gon be at 4k passing yards, 900+ rushing 🔥
Have a feeling this debate will pretty much be settled after Sunday. Eagles vs Ravens. Both teams will be trying to make multiple statements, including MVP cases for their guys. Can't wait
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@@jacobhernandez6742please… once they lose to the lions it’s over for him 😂😂
@@Blackculture-832 who?
@@dorothyhunter4656 Josh Allen and the bills
@@dorothyhunter4656 ol dude deleted his comment so you can’t see what he said
If Saquon does break the record and the Eagles have a better record you gotta give it to Saquon.
Not to say Lamar ain’t balling but at that point Saquon would have done something literally historic.
Why is the MVP a QB award? If that’s the case, just name it the Best QB award. Don’t want to hear about how the QB is the most important position. Everyone has a pivotal role in football. Other positions should be given a shot.
The QB position is arguably the most important in football. QBs are in most cases the difference between being a contender or a bad team. That’s why they win MVPs.
@ the call it the Best QB award then.
Jalen Hurts getting injured would be a bigger loss than Saquon. That should tell you all you need to know about who is the most “Valuable” player. All love to Saquon tho he is a beast and if we’re having a best player discussion then thats a different story.
Like the other guy said, a great qb can affect the game more than a great rb. They both can be absolute game changers, but the qb is definitely the most important position. It's now at the point where someone like Saquon this year or Hill last year need to have near single season records to even be considered.
Facts
Kim must know Stephen As mom cuz there’s no reason why she should be on this show
ANYBODY INSTEAD OF LAMAR JACKSON THAT'S ESPN POSITION! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Literally! Give it to the dude he’s that good
Lamar Jackson should be unanimous. Its not even close.
Neither. In 2003 Jamal Lewis missed breaking the all time rushing record by 40 yards and got 5 MVP votes. Priest Holmes topped 2000 yards from scrimmage and had 27 TD's that year. He got 3. Peyton Manning and Steve McNair both got 16 and split the MVP. Stop acting like they're going to give it to a running back.
Something tells me it might be split between Lamar and Josh because they wanna give Josh a MVP so bad lol….could def see a Lamar and Josh co-MVP situation
Steven a hate Lj 🤣
I hate when D Wood cuts the beard completely 😂
Yeah 😂
So 2000 rushing yards are more beneficial than 4000 passing yards and 1000 rushing yards?
How much of those py are cause of his recievers yac?
So every QB gets yac.@@4nanymous4812
@@4nanymous4812If you throw the ball accurately, WRs will have alot of YAC. So still a plus for Lamar
@@YoungKing50 not really
It's his job to give them the ball
That goes to all qbs tho
@@4nanymous4812 We just seen a prime example(Caleb Williams today or Dolphins without Tua) of what it looks like when a receiver catches slightly inaccurate passes on a routine basis looks like. The fact that the Ravens WR has so much YAC is due to Lamar throwing the ball accurately on a consistent basis. This a also a strength of Brock Purdy(and more importantly Tom Brady).
Just imagine that the Eagles didn’t use the tush push all them touchdown go to Saquon..Now for sure it wound be a lock…
Last year proved the mvp is a qb award when lamar was able to win it with pedestrian stats people should just accept the fact that no other position besides qb will ever win mvp again
Yeah he completely shattered his numbers from last year already. All QBs struggled bad last year. 😂 Mahomes,Josh Allen and Lamar all had their worst seasons last year. Meanwhile McCaffery had his best season and one of the best RB seasons and he didn’t get it. Heck was Derrick Henry even considered for it after his 2,000 yard season a few years back? 😂
SAS is going to watch the Eagles game not to see the Eagles win but praying🙏🏿 Lamar loses. 🤡
Facts 💀💀😂 he’s a goofy
Lmaoooo The 2 running backs on Detroit are playing just as well as Barkley if not better 😂😂😂😂 yall are so ridiculous Lamar is the Clear MVP nobody is doing what he does everytime he touches the ball running and running passing
Every week Stephan A has another person over Lamar. For Stephan another but Lamar
I take Henry over saquan for mvp race
Agreed
Stephen A is hilarious.”I’m not taking anything from him but Derrick Henry”
They want the great white hope to win, boy ain’t no way Josh Allen should be higher than Lamar Jackson and Saquon Barkley
Lamar lost to Minshew and winston though and in three of their wins. Henry has more yards than him.
Allen isn't the best player, but he's the most VALUABLE for sure. He's been the only reason Bills are winning. He is literally carrying that team all by himself all season. Even before the Cooper trade. Most VALUABLE is Josh Allen this year.
A few weeks ago he had a game against the colts where he threw two interceptions and 0 Touchdowns and the bills still won the game so no it’s not just him winning the games for buffalo
Josh Allen is leading the mvp off the fact he beat pat thats it 😐Lamar should easily be leading in mvp and according to Stephen a he blamin Lamar for the Steelers loss when his kicker missed two field goals his tight end and running back both fumble and his other runnin back got the ball stripped from em for a pick while they were driving
lol, didn't even mention Josh Allen. Shocker
Lamar is having a much better season
Josh Allen chokes every year just like Lamar Jackson 🚮
You obviously didn’t watch the video- Josh Allen WAS mentioned 😂
Buffalo fans a special breed
Why would he been when the other 2 mentioned have been playing better
@@pmndza2002 Allen is a stud, and so is Lamar. These dudes are 28 and 27 years old, bruh. They've got time. Just enjoy the show and look forward to bragging to your grandkids you got to see them play
Wouldnt it be better to save this debate for next weeks show given they play each other this Sunday?
SAS, Ravens Kicker lost the game against Pittsburgh along with the dropped passes by the receivers. STOP SAS. While they are other candidates, Lamar is clearly the MVP thus far. Saquan is Crazy!!!
Why is that crazy. Yall keep changing criteria to keep giving lamar awards 😂😂😂
Forget the fact that Adrian Peterson won the MVP in 2012. Shaun Alexander won the MVP in 2005. LaDainian Tomlinson won the MVP in 2006. Marshall Faulk won the MVP in 2000. Emmitt Smith won the MVP in 1993. Derrick Henry had 2,027 rushing yards with 17 TDs in 2020 & should've been in the MVP conversation that year. He didn't get a single MVP vote that year. Christian McCaffrey finished 3rd in the MVP voting a year ago. He was my choice for league MVP, not Lamar Jackson. Saquon Barkley is the MVP of the league this season. His performance & production is a the number one reason why the Eagles are 9-2 right now.
This whole Lamar campaign, is hilarious lmao. Cause the exact narrative the media is trying to use right now, would have been held against him last year. Like the dumb girl on the panel said "hes putting up better numbers than when he won MVP last year', yeah cause he shouldnt have won lmao. He only won because the Ravens defense was playing out of their minds and carried them to the #1 seed. Theyre also the only ones who showed up in the playoffs. Held Mahomes to 17 pts and the Ravens couldnt score. So now this year, he has good stats, but his team has regressed and NOW stats matter? lmao. Not to mention, every loss the ravens have this year, has a common denominator. When Derrick Henry doesnt eat, they lose. Derrick Henry is the MVP of the Ravens, not Lamar. 4 games they decided to put the ball in Lamars hands to win the game, 4 times they lost.
Then you have to consider story line. The Bills were predicted to be third in their division and miss the playoffs. You can argue that is silly, in hindsight, but its the truth. Before the season it was "Diggs made Allen, now hes gone. Allen cant win without a #1 receiver. Davis is gone. Hyde is gone. Poyer is gone. Tre White is gone. So their defense will be bad". Now theyre fighting for the #1 seed, have the best starting record theyve had since 1992 and Allen is having the best season of his career. Mind you, with no Derrick Henry in his backfield, a first ballot HoF. Last year Allen demolished Lamar is stats, had 15 more TDs than him, but you couldnt give it to him cause of turnovers. Well now he doesnt have those, while having a comparable season, with FAR worse offensive weapons and help around him. Allen is by far and away, the Most VALUABLE Player for his team. Take Henry off the Ravens, they may be .500 right now.
2pt conversion for the Ravens to tie the steelers the other weel, Lamar cant get it. "Why wasnt Henry out there getting the ball". Lamar cant do it? 4th and 2, to put the game away, against the only undefeated team in football.......Allen says "fine, ill do it myself" and runs 26 yards for a TD and ices the game.
Bingo 100 💯
The ravens were the second best offense last year dummy
I can’t believe I’m saying this but ….. Steven A. just COOOOOOKED!!
If CMC didn't get the mvp last year for good impact on the 49ers Saquan won't win it unless he breaks all time rushing record
Barkley having a much better year than CMC but isn’t getting talked about as much
CMC hasn’t even played as many games as Barkley😂plus the media has been all over Barkley for the past 2-3weeks. You live under a rock Patrick star🤣🤦♂️
@@mrgoingup626bro I’m talking about last year when everyone was talking about CMC for mvp
@@lukeskywalkermod3686dude still stuck in 2023 we’re about to be in 2025 buddy😂
Because of cmc’s melanin Levels 😅😅
Saquon and Henry have always been better backs than cmc but cmc is the only running back that people don’t question him getting paid top dollar.
@@PD-qu8dqI agree Henry saved the Ravens season.
Josh Allen is MVP. Lamar wasn’t top 10 in any stats last year and won. Bills have the worst roster out of all candidates yet are 9-2.
Excuse me Mr Hairline in danger me and the people would like and deserve a non bias , non hateful response when in reference to Mr Jackson the question was about the player not the team 💥
Saquans opponents vs the Rush... LAR #27, WAS #31, DAL #29, JAX #26, CIN #20, NYG #28, CLE #23... stop with this MVP madness, he hasnt played a real defense... And he definitely won't be the best player on the field during his game Sunday.
They said Philly oline playing tremendous this year like they been playing bad in past years ngl any rb goes to Philly n have a career yr and fall off when they leave saquan just happens to be a top 5 rb
Who’s number 1 against the run? His own team!!!!! Saquon doesn’t pick the schedule. All he can do is play the schedule. Don’t minimize his season.
@@ItsDJNuName no.. The eagles are #9 against the run allowing 4.3 ypc.. You play the #1 team allowing 3.5 ypc this weekend ;)
Henry opponents vs the rush JAX, WAS, CLE, CIN, DAL, TAM #16, LAC #15, BUF #13. So what are we talking about 😂😂😂 you played a lot of the same teams
And on top of that Lamar has played a lot of bad pass defenses and lost to the Raiders and Browns 😂😂😂
@@sodblitz3445 my mistake. But we dusted them.
So SA going to keep mentioning Lamar has Derrick Henry but completely ignore the fact that Saquon has one of the best OL's in the game? Also we're going to act like Lamar doesn't make Henry more potent and lethal as well? And with regard to having weapons, when did we start holding that against QBs when it comes to being great or the MVP? We didn't do that with Peyton. We didn't do that with Mahomes with his first MVP when he had a prime Tyreek and prime Kareem and prime Kelce
Henry has always been lethal lol
Henry has had better years though and he's still carrying the Ravens on his back lol
You asking Sequan to break a 1984 record that was set with less regular season games. Just don’t hit like it used to for running backs.
QB the only real choice primarily other positions don’t matter as much
Well, it actually equals out, this is a pass 1st league
Henry, in three of the Ravens wins has more yards than Lamar. Yeah only QBs matter lol.
It's ironic when Stephen A says Orlovsky changes the narrative, When Stephen A has! Dan said he's top 5 MOST IMPORTANT to their team. Not that people don't appreciate him. Tua is mad important to Miami, which shows his value.
Back then they only played 14 games which makes Eric Dickerson's record on touchable unless he did it in the next 3 games
Erick Dickerson played 16 games..
But I thought jayden was the feont runner for mvp, see whats happens when you put someone in a spot they didnt earn to be in just like when they were pushing russell that flopped too
Please get this lady off the air asap.
They keep bringing up the Steelers game against Lamar and conveniently forget to mention Justin Tucker missed 2 field goals and an extra point smh
0 for 6 in the red zone though
Why does lamar never get the respect he deserves .
Dude said saquon and then made a clear case for Lamar 😂
🤦🏾♂️🤣🤭😂🤣
Lmfaooo
So by Stephen's A logics Dhenry is the reason for lamar putting up all these stats then why ain't JHurts Doing the same having Barkley in his back feild with 2 Wide receiver 1s... Stephen will do everything in his power to discredit everything lamar did and has been doing
Stephen A needs to stop Pandering! Lamar Jackson is the MVP! Saquon has 1000 yards rushing before he is touched! Lamar is leading the most efficient offense since greatest show on turf and he is the biggest weapon
I was excited when she said Stephen a was wrong but she followed up with a bunch of nothing 😂😂😂 she helped his point out by bringing up saqoun is on pace to do something legendary 😂😂
If you all don’t want other positions in Football to Get the MVP award then just name it the best QB Award period.
They should
4:55 so in other words we should just rename it as the Most Valuable Quarterback award
Win loss record should be weighed heavily. That goes for coach of the year too. It shouldn't go to Dabol or Nagy with a slightly above average while the coach with best record and wins the super bowl doesn't get rewarded.
MVP should go to the player that wills their team to victory that would otherwise be garbage. I hate when they give it to the best player on the best team every year. It should be whoever individually does the most to impact the team and league, like when Westbrook won in the NBA and they were a 4 seed, that made sense because he literally made OKC competitive
Stephen A a goofy!
That stat Woody gave is INACCURATE! Saquon has over 600 yards rushing before contact not over 1000 Woody check your facts.
Second right now Lamar is the MVP. It’s going to be interesting though if the Ravens lose 1 or 2 more games and or even if they don’t win their division.
Last year was the year to break the MVP to a QB narrative cause no QB had great numbers last year. CMC should’ve been MVP last year. This year it will be Lamar then Josh then Goff before even getting to Saquon.
SAS obsession on downing Lamar is getting weird
If I were a voter, I'd go with Josh. Lamar is having a historic season. But he has Derrick Henry now. So you kind of figured he'd have a bump from his already MVP season last year. If you beat the Chiefs' defense without 2 of your best weapons, win of the season. Could it still go to Lamar? Sure. The Ravens did spank the Bills earlier in the season. But the media should add some context to performances. Don't just look at the numbers. Look at the additions to the team. And what we expect. I'm a Lamar fan, but I expected him to ball out this year. He was MVP last year, and they added Derrick Henry to the team. Everyone expected this to be a soft rebuild for the Bills and Josh Allen took that personally.
Lamar's put up crazy numbers every season of his career WITHOUT weapons. He didn't have anything close to what Allen had to play with for years, and we saw where the Bills were headed before they went out and got him a weapon. Lamar does more with less. He's leading the league across the board - as you say, a historic season. He is undeniably the most dominant player at this position and produces the most value being the greatest dual threat QB ever with one of the best arms and IQs in football. Allen will get his eventually, but he should have to earn it by actually being the most valuable player in football, which he presently is not. That is Lamar Jackson.
@@Galero15 Eh, Burrow has played one less game, and yet his numbers are almost identical to Lamar's (pertaining to passing)...
@@TheKnightofAwesomenesshe also threw ball 150 more times lmaooo
@@Blackculture-832 When you don't have a King Henry in the backfield you do what you gotta do lol
@@TheKnightofAwesomeness regardless he taken Ls lmaoo
Saquon MVP
So by Stephen’s A logic every QB who didn’t have a WR before and then suddenly got one shouldn’t be eligible for a MVP.
When Lamar breaks a record, call me. Saquon is breaking them over and over and over again. Stop trying to make this a QB award by definition.
Lamar is setting records gtfoh
@@death2beta843going 12-15 wow so impressive. Saquan is on pace for a historic season. SMH
@@HockeyDudeJames2Derrick Henry is right behind saquan for less than 60 or so rushing yards and Derrick leads the league in rushing tds. You act like Derrick Henry can’t have a good game and knock the saquan discussion out of the park.
@@death2beta843 I hope he does. I'm a Henry fan. He's carried the Ravens to 4 of their 8 wins.
when the ravens hold him to 75 and henry goes for 150 i want an apology
If Philly didn’t do the tush push… Barkley would have 11 more TD’s…
notice how it’s always lamar vs so and so for mvp every week lamar is always there
Kimberly Martin is like the single woman trying to keep her friend from being happy
Okay... Why is it that ED can reach this record in less games....But SB can reach it in more games. Smart People , Help Me Out ! WHAT AM I MISSING?
Networks be glazing Allen 😂 Saquan MVP if season ended today
Looks like lamar getting that dak prescott treatment.
That the thing why Barkley has to get it if he keeps on track he is making history
The struggle to stay awake for SAS is real
Josh Allen is the mvp but between Lamar and saquon it's always the quarterback
if saquan gets 2000 rushing yards saquan is winning the MVP over lamar
Dickerson didn’t win mvp so why does Barkley have too for breaking his record with a whole extra game…
Eric Dickerson did it with a much shorter season 🙄
Stephen A has no other argument but who Baltimore lost too. In which the defense cost them game against Cleveland with the dropped game saving INT and its a division game and Pittsburgh has also lost to Cleveland. Lamar did his job against Las Vegas the defense gave away the game and the momentum was lost. And he has kept them in every game. Theyre getting to the point in which theyre getting tired by his greatness and its showing. But hes also leading the league in passing yards. The loss is a team issue not a Lamar issue.
It's crazy that everyone is just not saying anything about Josh Allen he is the guy running away with the MVP he is doing it with nobody's and he is doing it*quietly. I'm a Eagles fan and I think Josh Allen should be the frontrunner
It seem like in today’s NFL the MVP is a quarterback award!! They won’t give it to saquon.
How this not Lamar Jackson without Henry when his mvp stats are better then without Henry so stop it he’s the mvp
Lamars on pace to make history at a more valuable position ! SAS knows this. If it were josh vs derrick henry he would laugh n say the QB ! They will see sunday the difference
if he break the 84 record with a pass happy league, saquon better get the MVP
I love Barkley but mans right these are video game numbers from Lamar Jackson I know his d-line is bad this year but I hope he has enough big weapons on his side this year in Derrick Henry and zay flowers to out score the big teams in the playoffs
Derrick Henry has virtually the same amount of yards and more touchdowns than Saquan. Why is no one making the case that Henry could be MVP and break the record as well?
Because That Eagles team was so bad before saquon they won 10 straight last year and was in the Super Bowl the previous year.
Also, if you switched Quarterbacks, Lamar would have more passing yards and Saquon would still be balling.
But Jalen wouldn’t be having as much success and I don’t think Henry would be dominating like he is, with Jalen on the ravens
@ I understand your point. Can it also be said that Saquan wouldn’t be as good if didn’t have the Eagles offensive line? I mean I get what you are saying, but we could quite possibly have a scenario where both Saquan AND Henry break the rushing record. Makes things interesting.
Stephen A do you remember when YOUR MVP dropped a game winning catch and his team lost an MVP should catch that and win the game
Lamar will win mvp its far and away at this point , if saquan gets the eric Dickerson record only way I see lamar still winning it is if he puts up something even crazier like 4500 & 1000 with 45+ total td both in my opinion with the remaining games is a stretch. Saquon has 6 games left he would need 133 a game which is possible but he has two of the top 5 rushing defenses in those games.
Say saquon does it lamar has 5 games so he would have to average 300 passing yards 80 rush yards and 3 tds a game.
Right now though it's far and away lamar only thing in his way is saquon some how getting that record which would be amazing.
The ranking right now is
1. LAMAR
Though dealing with a terrible defense 31st in passing. He is putting up one of the greatest seasons ever.
2.SAQUON
Having a great year but without the record no shot at beating lamar , so happy for saquon man bro deserves this success just for suffering in new york
3.Josh Allen
Though Josh is 9-2 outside the chiefs they haven't beaten anybody over 500. His stats are just not nearly on lamars level and lamar hasnt turned the ball over to lessen his stats impact. Though If he beats niners and lions and plays great it would make it interesting between him and lamar.
Only reason I have him under saquon is because if the votes went in right now and people couldn't vote lamar I truly believe saquon would beat josh out even though i would disagree. I have no argument for him at 2 though just my thoughts.
4. Jared goff
Being a great game manager I honestly would rather burrow got the mvp than goff just this years brock purdy in a way
5. I honestly don't know I keep saying pat mahomes at 5 by the media and just don't get it yea he 10-1 but it's despite mahomes not because of him.
The medias influence is unreal, just check out Josh Allen’s stats n come back.
Stephen A makes no sense lmaooo he had 36 n 6 with Mark Ingram
The MVP award is washed now. It's always a QB or something, never the actual Most Valuable Player