@@ABYSSHeadphones so which one has the typical tube warmth? I am considering the WA33 but I like the warmer old school tube flavor. Especially with the Diana’s and Phi TC’s and Utopia’s etc.
Haha, I would recommend a warm amp to tame that treble peak. The Kinki Studio Vision THR-1 is excellent for it, this amp is quite unique as it offers 1x 50 ohm & 1x 100 ohm impedance headphone ports.
@@ABYSSHeadphones ahh I see its your new entry model 🙂🙂🙂 I hope there comes a boutique headphone that we can wear outside aswell , like a closed one . But very tricky to build one that sounds good . T+A solitaire T is nice but it doesn't look good . Looks like your average fly headphone that you would take to the airplane ( Bose headphones for example ) Any news on a new closed flagship ? 🙂
This was an earlier video we did in HDR, and it has some overlays that were unintentionally brighter than the rest of the scene. We have no control over the brightness of your display, but many devices will increase display brightness automatically when HDR video is playing on a supported device. We tested YT’s HDR on many devices, and have noticed some inconsistent results with device brightness. If you’re willing to share, it may be helpful to know what device you were using?
@@ABYSSHeadphones I tried watching it on ipad pro and mac book pro both with the mini-led screen, so they both go to 1600 nits when the content tells it too which looks quite extreme when looking a a normal scene (like two people talking) where a large portion of the room is well lit. I am not sure how you edited the video and what youtube automatically does to uploaded HDR content. The Apple devices automatically turn up the brightness by a certain degree when swapping to HDR content. This is not the issue since you could just manually lower the brightness again if you wish to do so. But here the video tries to show as much as a dynamic range as possible maxing out the brightness while keeping the darker portions of the video as dark as originally. Thus, if you manually lower the brightness again everything that is not a bright seen gets lost in super low brightness. This often times is a result when people who edit the videos use a display that does not go so bright (a lot of HDR compliant devices out there go up to maybe 400nits) and then it looks totally fine to them prior to uploading. Setting the brightness not to the maximum but a fixed nit-level (in Adobe Premiere or whatever you are using) can counteract this but it could be that youtube is making things harder than it should. I have noted this issue a lot with HDR content on youtube, however, not all of the HDR videos. So I believe there is a proper way to do it. Your video content was great btw, but I just listened to what you had to say not watching the video. It's really way too aggressive watching several minutes of 1600 nits with larger sections of a video. That's not what HDR is meant for. I don't really know why you record HDR for a studio scene on youtube though. The original footage easily fits into regular 8bit or 10bit dynamic range. There is no clipping of highlights or dark sections when editing of a regular scene like this. So by going down the HDR path and doing it right the resulting video should just look like SDR unless anything in the chain cranks up the brightness artificially to "dynamically" increase the brightness of the video to something which was simply not there in reality to begin with. HDR was created to show (since RAW footage could capture HDR for ages before HDR displays were a real thing) scenes who can not fit into the regular 8 or 10 bit footage (same with HDR fotos), e.g. outdoor scenes with bright sunlight while showing dark shadows in the same scene which meant that you had to compress the dynamic range to fit into the lower amount of bits for the output or clip either highlights or dark scenes.
I appreciate your feedback, I can speak on a few points. We have several generation iPad, and MBP here, including Apple silicon devices with the 1600 nit display. I have uploaded well over 100 test clips and viewed them on over a dozen devices, including the ones mentioned. Some devices do show inconsistent behavior, but this does appear to be a combination of the devices handling of HDR, YT's HDR standards, and how the footage was uploaded. This has been shockingly problematic to get dialed in. The brightness in post is absolutely critical with HDR, and unfortunately the processing time can be several days for HDR on YT. We upload with a 300nit whitepoint setting. How this ends up getting handled by the device is extremely variable. From my testing, 203 or 100 nits result in nearly unusably dim footage on many devices. The footage does not significantly benefit from the larger luminance range, but it does benefit from the wider color gamut and higher bitrate. YT will process all HDR as SDR as well, and on iOS devices, you can force SDR playback by enabling low power mode. You can try it for yourself and see the difference. On this video, YT processed the 4K in VP9 for SDR and VP9.2 for HDR. The SDR version is 12.8 mbit 8 bit, and the HDR 21.0mbit 10 bit. So you gain the benefit of the higher bitrate footage, as well as a wider color gamut. This does have a very noticeable impact on the video, and the hope is this can be used to provide a little bit more appealing footage. This video ended up having 'hot' overlays that are problematic on some very bright displays. We have since resolved this in subsequent videos. I'd be curious to hear if the Apple Vision Pro video solves your concerns, it has a handful of changes from this one.
@@ABYSSHeadphones Both run the new Apple silicon. The new Apple vision pro video still shows up too bright. Intentionally setting devices to low power mode reduces the overal brightness but it still pushes brightness to a level to an uncomfortable level. I do some video editing myself and I perfectly understand your reasoning behind this. However, I am not familiar with the youtube HDR process and it could easily be the case that in addition to their heavy upload compression that they automatically perform some kind of "dynamic range optimization" (they probably automatically increase brightness levels and some contrast since they believe that this is good for the majority). This might make it look good on many regular devices but when the brightness is then pushed so high the end result looks a little bit funky and also aggressive when the majority of the screen stays so bright for minutes on straight. I just did a quick test on my iphone on which I normally don't watch any content but to my surprise it turns out that both videos (this one and the one about the Apple vision pro) both look perfectly normal but slightly dull on different mobile browsers. The youtube quality settings don't show the HDR logo available on the iphone so here it most likely only shows the converted SDR version by youtube. It's an iphone pro model which I believe can go to around 1200 nits or so but it definitely doesn't do it here. Some Costa Rica nature HDR video clearly shows in HDR on the iphone while also not displaying the HDR logo (but with adequate brightness levels that seem fine). It seems to be really tricky to get this dialed in on youtube since apparently you can't simply assume that what you see on your screen will be anything like people watching the video will see. In some cases it might look perfectly fine, in some cases a little bit dull, in others overally bright. There is definitely some dynamic range optimizer doing its work since it's not simply that the video is shown in overal higher brightness which can be fixed by lowering your screen brightness. The brighter sections of the video are dynamically pushed into high nit values your display supports and then this results in some pretty weird video output. Hope that helps somehow, seems to be a real pain dialing in HDR on youtube.
That's quite curious behavior. Enabling low power mode will force SDR playback, which should be identical output to the footage we have been uploading well over a year now. It may take a force quit of the app to see this reflected if the video is buffered. I don't intend this as a resolution, just a diagnostic tool to help evaluate what's going on. We don't actually record in HDR, its all recorded in Rec.709. The way we are processing it as HDR, YT's SDR output is identical to as if it was uploaded as SDR from the start. The whitepoint on our videos is relatively low, roughly 35% away from clipping. This means our footage should be quite dim compared to true HDR footage. I appreciate your feedback, and will continue to look into this.
Suggest watching our videos on our capabilities as a manufacturer to make proper measurements. We have the latest in sophisticated headphone measurement equipment. How are Headphone Measurements Done th-cam.com/play/PLo0Fz7gAV2dktzhDVuJHPcort23zAlV-E.html
@@ABYSSHeadphones Thanks for sharing. You know nowadays we shift from traditional hifi beliefs to objective and measurable success of a product. Which i want to be delivered on especially world class headphones.
@@coardtech You need to be skeptical of your sources. Sone 'objective' reviewers such as ASR don't care about accuracy. They create negative content to attract views.
@@ABYSSHeadphones I did burn some money spending for highly good measuring DCA stuff and experiencing worse than Airpods sound in reality so i agree with you on that.
Wow!!!, I remember trying this amp at canjam a few months ago and my mind was completely blown out my a** 🤯
love seeing the shine for tube amps, youtube needs more tube amplifier content within this hobby
was listening to this with Susvara at Axpona. It was incredible
I would like a matching looking DAC that the WA23 can sit above. :) What is that special looking Diana next to Joe????
I saw that one at the show and went Woooooooooooooooo preettyyyyyyyyy
Lookin' good
How does this compare to the WA33 for the Abyss & Diana lines?
Joe mentioned he likes the WA33 with AB1266 and WA23 with Diana TC. Sonically, WA33 is raw tube power, WA23 raw tube speed.
@@ABYSSHeadphones so which one has the typical tube warmth? I am considering the WA33 but I like the warmer old school tube flavor. Especially with the Diana’s and Phi TC’s and Utopia’s etc.
Is the quarter inch jack superior to the 4 pin in SET amps?
Is that a wooden inlay on the Diana? New finish?
New upcoming model...
@@ABYSSHeadphones Nice!
What solid state headphone amp would you recommend for Sennheiser 800s headphones?
Haha, I would recommend a warm amp to tame that treble peak.
The Kinki Studio Vision THR-1 is excellent for it, this amp is quite unique as it offers 1x 50 ohm & 1x 100 ohm impedance headphone ports.
@@sjqideez6626 Thanks!
I’d say go tubes mate
Is it possible to order that Diana Tc in that colour version ?
Do you mean golden? It's possible...
@@ABYSSHeadphones ahh I see its your new entry model 🙂🙂🙂
I hope there comes a boutique headphone that we can wear outside aswell , like a closed one . But very tricky to build one that sounds good .
T+A solitaire T is nice but it doesn't look good . Looks like your average fly headphone that you would take to the airplane ( Bose headphones for example )
Any news on a new closed flagship ? 🙂
@@x32i77 Will announce availability this Fall, almost done.
@@ABYSSHeadphones the hype is real , the community will love it , can't wait 😊 👍 ❣️ !
why would you record this video in HDR and crank up the brightness to crazy levels?
This was an earlier video we did in HDR, and it has some overlays that were unintentionally brighter than the rest of the scene. We have no control over the brightness of your display, but many devices will increase display brightness automatically when HDR video is playing on a supported device. We tested YT’s HDR on many devices, and have noticed some inconsistent results with device brightness. If you’re willing to share, it may be helpful to know what device you were using?
@@ABYSSHeadphones I tried watching it on ipad pro and mac book pro both with the mini-led screen, so they both go to 1600 nits when the content tells it too which looks quite extreme when looking a a normal scene (like two people talking) where a large portion of the room is well lit.
I am not sure how you edited the video and what youtube automatically does to uploaded HDR content. The Apple devices automatically turn up the brightness by a certain degree when swapping to HDR content. This is not the issue since you could just manually lower the brightness again if you wish to do so. But here the video tries to show as much as a dynamic range as possible maxing out the brightness while keeping the darker portions of the video as dark as originally. Thus, if you manually lower the brightness again everything that is not a bright seen gets lost in super low brightness. This often times is a result when people who edit the videos use a display that does not go so bright (a lot of HDR compliant devices out there go up to maybe 400nits) and then it looks totally fine to them prior to uploading. Setting the brightness not to the maximum but a fixed nit-level (in Adobe Premiere or whatever you are using) can counteract this but it could be that youtube is making things harder than it should. I have noted this issue a lot with HDR content on youtube, however, not all of the HDR videos. So I believe there is a proper way to do it.
Your video content was great btw, but I just listened to what you had to say not watching the video. It's really way too aggressive watching several minutes of 1600 nits with larger sections of a video. That's not what HDR is meant for. I don't really know why you record HDR for a studio scene on youtube though. The original footage easily fits into regular 8bit or 10bit dynamic range. There is no clipping of highlights or dark sections when editing of a regular scene like this. So by going down the HDR path and doing it right the resulting video should just look like SDR unless anything in the chain cranks up the brightness artificially to "dynamically" increase the brightness of the video to something which was simply not there in reality to begin with. HDR was created to show (since RAW footage could capture HDR for ages before HDR displays were a real thing) scenes who can not fit into the regular 8 or 10 bit footage (same with HDR fotos), e.g. outdoor scenes with bright sunlight while showing dark shadows in the same scene which meant that you had to compress the dynamic range to fit into the lower amount of bits for the output or clip either highlights or dark scenes.
I appreciate your feedback, I can speak on a few points. We have several generation iPad, and MBP here, including Apple silicon devices with the 1600 nit display. I have uploaded well over 100 test clips and viewed them on over a dozen devices, including the ones mentioned. Some devices do show inconsistent behavior, but this does appear to be a combination of the devices handling of HDR, YT's HDR standards, and how the footage was uploaded. This has been shockingly problematic to get dialed in. The brightness in post is absolutely critical with HDR, and unfortunately the processing time can be several days for HDR on YT.
We upload with a 300nit whitepoint setting. How this ends up getting handled by the device is extremely variable. From my testing, 203 or 100 nits result in nearly unusably dim footage on many devices. The footage does not significantly benefit from the larger luminance range, but it does benefit from the wider color gamut and higher bitrate. YT will process all HDR as SDR as well, and on iOS devices, you can force SDR playback by enabling low power mode. You can try it for yourself and see the difference. On this video, YT processed the 4K in VP9 for SDR and VP9.2 for HDR. The SDR version is 12.8 mbit 8 bit, and the HDR 21.0mbit 10 bit. So you gain the benefit of the higher bitrate footage, as well as a wider color gamut. This does have a very noticeable impact on the video, and the hope is this can be used to provide a little bit more appealing footage. This video ended up having 'hot' overlays that are problematic on some very bright displays. We have since resolved this in subsequent videos.
I'd be curious to hear if the Apple Vision Pro video solves your concerns, it has a handful of changes from this one.
@@ABYSSHeadphones Both run the new Apple silicon. The new Apple vision pro video still shows up too bright. Intentionally setting devices to low power mode reduces the overal brightness but it still pushes brightness to a level to an uncomfortable level. I do some video editing myself and I perfectly understand your reasoning behind this. However, I am not familiar with the youtube HDR process and it could easily be the case that in addition to their heavy upload compression that they automatically perform some kind of "dynamic range optimization" (they probably automatically increase brightness levels and some contrast since they believe that this is good for the majority). This might make it look good on many regular devices but when the brightness is then pushed so high the end result looks a little bit funky and also aggressive when the majority of the screen stays so bright for minutes on straight.
I just did a quick test on my iphone on which I normally don't watch any content but to my surprise it turns out that both videos (this one and the one about the Apple vision pro) both look perfectly normal but slightly dull on different mobile browsers. The youtube quality settings don't show the HDR logo available on the iphone so here it most likely only shows the converted SDR version by youtube. It's an iphone pro model which I believe can go to around 1200 nits or so but it definitely doesn't do it here. Some Costa Rica nature HDR video clearly shows in HDR on the iphone while also not displaying the HDR logo (but with adequate brightness levels that seem fine).
It seems to be really tricky to get this dialed in on youtube since apparently you can't simply assume that what you see on your screen will be anything like people watching the video will see. In some cases it might look perfectly fine, in some cases a little bit dull, in others overally bright. There is definitely some dynamic range optimizer doing its work since it's not simply that the video is shown in overal higher brightness which can be fixed by lowering your screen brightness. The brighter sections of the video are dynamically pushed into high nit values your display supports and then this results in some pretty weird video output. Hope that helps somehow, seems to be a real pain dialing in HDR on youtube.
That's quite curious behavior. Enabling low power mode will force SDR playback, which should be identical output to the footage we have been uploading well over a year now. It may take a force quit of the app to see this reflected if the video is buffered. I don't intend this as a resolution, just a diagnostic tool to help evaluate what's going on. We don't actually record in HDR, its all recorded in Rec.709. The way we are processing it as HDR, YT's SDR output is identical to as if it was uploaded as SDR from the start. The whitepoint on our videos is relatively low, roughly 35% away from clipping. This means our footage should be quite dim compared to true HDR footage. I appreciate your feedback, and will continue to look into this.
Could you please show measurements of Diana TC that shows that "low distortion" u mention at 9:04. Didn't see a test for it on ASR.
Suggest watching our videos on our capabilities as a manufacturer to make proper measurements. We have the latest in sophisticated headphone measurement equipment. How are Headphone Measurements Done
th-cam.com/play/PLo0Fz7gAV2dktzhDVuJHPcort23zAlV-E.html
@@ABYSSHeadphones Thanks for sharing. You know nowadays we shift from traditional hifi beliefs to objective and measurable success of a product. Which i want to be delivered on especially world class headphones.
@@coardtech You need to be skeptical of your sources. Sone 'objective' reviewers such as ASR don't care about accuracy. They create negative content to attract views.
@@ABYSSHeadphones I did burn some money spending for highly good measuring DCA stuff and experiencing worse than Airpods sound in reality so i agree with you on that.
$1000 volume control? 🤣