The Tory Party is stuck in a ‘death spiral’ | James Kirkup
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- “The next Tory leader will be chosen by the group of people who thought Liz Truss was a better idea than Rishi Sunak.”
“The Tory Party will go mad after losing the election and take off in a right-wing spiral”, says James Kirkup.
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I have never in my 46 years known such a most useless party with the most useless ,weak and pathetic politicians . They are absolutely pathetic
The reason is obvious. All the sane and sensible people in the Tory party have been purged because they were against Brexit, leaving only the dullards and the incompetent.
Yes, but very, very rich.
@dominiclane8538 46yrs I have been around nearly 80yrs and I have never seen anything like it.
Since 2019 this tory govt has been the worst govt ever to hold office in the UK. Voting for a known liar, incompetent with it was the beginning of the end for the tories. I said this at the time to all the tory luvvies on lots of different sites. It was just a matter of when not if with Johnson. Voting with emotions or feelings doesn't work. Vote with your head.
They had an 80nseat majority too but still blame everyone else for their failures.
Get it over with for gods sake call an election
The annoying thing is Sunak just laughed when asked about when he was calling the election. To him ,it's just a game .
@@johnburrows3385 Just a game for him at our expense.
Rishi says we don't want an election, so who are we to argue?
@@PeterJohnsonWales He doesn't want an election more like .
6 months
'This was all David Cameron's fault'. That statement could be applied to so many of the problems we are facing today.
He ushered in Britain's decline spot on.
He's deluded if he thinks staying on will win him an election.
He thinks that staying on will earn him more money. I don't thin he is bothered about winning.
sunak in or out, Tories have no chance
it is not a mater of leader, people are fed up with the whole lot of them
From the opinion polls, voters made their decision about 18 months ago. I'm not sure how Sunak thinks he's going to turn that around.
@@dougtsax Correct.
He knows there done for
Trouble is they are taking everyone down with them.
Not everyone.
All of their problems are of their own making!!!
The Tory Party is stuck in a ‘death spiral’
I almost cried(laughing).
The put the country into a death spiral years ago
If any one thinks that the current infested opposition will change the situation their bonkers! Like all Western political parties they are all now tarred with the same tar just the brush strokes are different.
Infiltration by brainwashed fascist neocons and neoliberals from trained organisations is so rife it's rotten beyond the core.
Flushed!
A serving government is in place to serve its people. Call an election to give your people a choice! But your despicable self preserving selfish attitude won’t allow you to do it.
Disgraceful!
Looking at Sunak standing amongst the Police , and looking like a 13 year old in comparison, is very "jarring" Smaller people have had power ,but have an ability to protect that power. He just looks like he's a fish out of water ,or a fishy out of water , maybe
And the water's full of poo, the putrid legacy of Therese Coffeyandcake (aka Nellie the Effluent 🐘)
Goodbye Tories.
Amen
Rishi has got to go down as the worst prime minister this country has ever had
Debatable. Johnson and Truss are in the running for that award! In fact, anybody from Cameron onwards...
@@Stan_55UK I’d say Johnson because the unhinged clownish Truss was removed quickly. Bozo has lastingly damaged our country with his contempt for our democracy, his endless lies and his palpable corruption to his core. I didn’t think I could ever despise a PM more than Thatcher. I was wrong
I thought bozo was bad sunak is even worse can't stand them we need a election now get rid of sunak and cronies
@@Stan_55UK You wait all this time for the worst prime minister in history and five come along at once 😉
Further to the right away from the voters.
No coming back from this they have lost all trust and credibility but they wouldnt listen to their voters so their problem. Reform all the way now, speaking to complete strangers and they are all spreading the word and voting Reform once they see their excellent manifesto. The polling figures are far higher than we are being told for reform.
they might as well be labour at this point what are you on about?
The right? What right-wing thing have they done? Reduced taxes? Reduced immigration? Shrunk the state? The popular manifesto they won a landslide victory off the back of was centre-right alright - and Truss was about to actually try to implement it, which is why she had to go - to be replaced with a WEF puppet. The sort of puppets we've had for years:- Blair, Major, Cameron, Johnson, Starmer.
@@bobersanjo Keir Starmets labour might as well be the Tories at this point I! What are you on about?
Who would have thought that uncontrolled immigration, uncontrolled house building draconian woke legislation and ludicrous net zero policies (amongst other things), would lead to unpopularity. Quite remarkable!
I am curious what stone you are hiding under
Giving membership the final say in both main parties has proved disastrous because it’s always the zealots who are over represented. Labour had a really good field to choose from in 2015 (including Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper) but that disastrously ended in tears and the fact that Duncan-Smith was chosen over Ken Clarke in 2001 tells you everything you need to know about why the membership should NOT have the final say.
Perfect summary tbh last thing you need are the foaming raids making these calls
Man, imagine the world we might live in if Ken Clarke had been Tory leader. I'm not very conservatively minded but that could've been inspirational.
@@fang_xianfu I’m not Tory either and never would be but the unholy mess left by Norman Lamont at the Treasury in 1993 was pretty well repaired by Clarke by 1997 (Blair had a vastly better economic inheritance than the one poor Starmer is facing)
I remember seeing a TV interview during the leadership race when the members chose Johnson. An elderly lady from a constituency association in the shires said, "He's like a young Churchill." of this 50+ year old man who had never served in the military and whose entire career had been characterised by cowardice and dishonesty. Just incredible.
@@ajw9533 setting aside the sheer ridiculousness of her opinion, Churchill had an incredible work ethic, Johnson was/is as lazy as the day is long.
The torys aren't in a death spiral, they have run out of things to steal and don't know what to do next..
Rishi, your time is up. Time for the country to decide on who should be leading it.
"Ready for Rishi" "Beat Starmers' Labour" "Rebuild the economy". These placards were handed out when little Rishi was campaigning for leadership of the Tory party. Hows it goin there Rishi??
I know it doesn’t matter much really but while all this ‘death spiral’ stuff is going on there a country to run. And no one seems to be bothering doing it.
I would suggest the country is better NOT being run by these people! Just let it be😂
Did Rishi get shrunk in the wash? 😂 I hadnt realised how teeny tiny he is 😂
Like most f.scist dictators, Napoleon, Stalin, Micron, Mao, Bercow, Khan't, Kim Jun Un, Pukin, Mussolini, Franco are all diddy - Never trust little men - they have too much to prove.
Why do you think he is called the Prime Miniature?
Norman wisdom.
The Tory Party has gone full "Imperium" in Warhammer 40,000 - "Purge the heretics!"
what we need is the Inquisition to sort it out
@@SlowhandGregExcellent idea, nobody will expect that.
The Tory cabinet should all wear pointy hats@@SlowhandGreg
Very similar to what happened under with Labour Corbyn
Ah yes. A computer game analogy.
Are you sure that anyone reading this has a clue what you are talking about ?
Cheerio Rishi.
Gutless Tories.
I don’t understand why he is clinging on. Just go!
Rishi Sunak is that last friend who won’t leave at the end of the dinner party and you have to start hoovering around them.
I'm reeling. Utterly shocked at the sheer extent of Tory failure. I remember the lights going out as a child in the 70's, but this is actually worse. The instability, infighting, incompetence, division, disarray and impotence is bewildering. This isn't communist-led unions confronting myopic British governments. This is implosive incompetence. A failure of governance itself. A danger to the nation state. I've voted Tory since Thatcher. I can't believe this. Cameron set in motion a chain reaction of incredulity. I'll never vote Tory again. They've handed this country to Starmer and that awful loudmouthed barmaid with a tattoo on the back of her leg that got pregnant at school. We are heading for a Labour victory so great they will effectively be dictators and they will probably ruin what little there is left. I want the Tories comprehensively destroyed because of this.
It's funny how you can recognize that the tories are utterly incompetent, and yet still feel the need to reveal your snobbery and misogyny. That "loudmothed barmaid" is a far smarter, and better, person than you will ever be.
The woman is being investigated by the police. Your moral standards are "interesting".
The party is stuck in a 'death spiral', and they're determined to take us all with them.
Genuine question, how does anyone vote for Conservative at next GE given the state of the party, damage done to society in terms of economy and trust. What possible rationale is there to give them another term?
The Tories also live on the legacy of dead Tories that left them money in their wills.
Its the end of the Tories as we know it. And I feel fine....
The question that needs to be asked is what’s going to happen after the election, I seriously doubt that there is a politician that can unite the Tory party and conservatives with a small c will probably drift to the Lib Dem’s .
VOTED REFORM UK PARTY 🎉🎉
The Tories have more members of parliament than members 😃
Good
I voted Conservative all my life and I an 60. Reform UK for me now.The top brass has know idea how middle England feels.
Great! All you lifelong Tories trot along to Reform that’s music to my ears
In the national interest, for the military, the NHS, the economy and growth, for God sake Rishie call an election now!
Security failings both intelligence and military under the tories have been completely unforgivable.
The longer the Conservatives remain in power, the worse the outcome for them will be at the election. This could signal the end of the party. Some might see that as a just outcome for the manifest failures of policy and governance, but democracy needs a second, strong, option.
It's striking how Bennite the Conservative Party has become. Tony Benn's anti EU statements were repeated verbatim by Tory right wingers during Brexit, and Benn's policies on 'internal party democracy' that effectively empowers tiny numbers of unrepresentative, often extreme, party members have been adopted by the Conservatives. The talk about deselection of MPs who don't meet the 'purity test' is straight out of the Bennite playbook. Like Labour in the 1980s, the Conservatives will a very heavy and prolonged price for it.
Tony Benn was against the globalisation of Neoliberalism. That is a Capitalist Neoliberal Doctrine. A set of policies that have been politically pinned in place for the last 40+years.
The Conservative Party split was those in favour of Neoliberal globalisation or National neoliberals. Both to the right of the framework spectrum on policies. Both Conservative.
Sunack is global. Borris came down on the national neoliberal path.
Little Rishi is a sad excuse for a Man
It’s only when you see him alongside normal sized adults
He should be adorning a Wedding Cake and lose that gormless expression
The country needs a credible right wing party as an option to vote for. The Tories are not that party at the moment, and this is a problem for voters. It is why so many people don't vote or say they are undecided when polled. The Tories need to be one thing or the other, Liberal or Right, not both. The 'broad church' hasn't really worked.
A “credible right wing party” - one that would give up ridiculous culture wars, commit to funding public services (even if this means tax increases) and seek to rejoin the EU 🇪🇺 at the earliest opportunity?
Sounds good 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇺
And that right wing party needs to be a sensible, fiscally conservative but socially moderate - like the Tories used to be. Unfortunately, we're going to get Reform Ltd - a pressure group for low taxes on the rich, removal of regulations, and scrapping the NHS & social care - but are hiding behind populist, nationalist, anti-immigration & anti-elite rhetoric.
Liberal doesn’t mean left necessary. You can be economically right wing and liberal.
@@davecross4493 @davecross4493 I don't think I mentioned the word 'left'.
Indeed, we have a centre-left Modern-Marxist (Globalist) blob LibLabCon.
Today we received a tax bill of over £700/ month, because we have failed to sell our property for a year. The Conservative party is now full-blown socialist, which means that things are going to get much much worse for us all unless the party as it stands suffers a demise.
The problem is Capitalist Neoliberal Doctrine. Nothing to do with socialism. Look the polacies up, you will recognise them.
You need to look up the word 'socialist' because ...what are you actually trying to say?
The taxation system changed its remit in 1971, taxation now, is a political choice of the neoliberal doctrine. The taxation that should be removed at the very top of the production chain (the ultra rich) to remove inflationary pressure has been spread out between the middle and lower classes, in any way possible. This is political policy protection for the ultra rich. Taxation is no longer a prerequisite for government expenditure. It hasn't been since 1971. The Doctrine uses taxation incorrectly, austerity measures are also part of wealth protection. If you are paying tax it is deducted from the UK Monetary Base. It isn't redistributed back into the economy. The rich know this, that's why they are not bothered about paying tax. Also, councils are ment to be fully financed by centeral government.
For a party that stands on reducing tax. Its whole neoliberal doctrine is build in taxing those below them.
Capitalist Neoliberal Doctrine is a Capitalist regime of accumulation to the very top. It has worked very well for them.
There are 140,000 members of the Tory Party. And they're old. And their numbers aren't being renewed by younger people joining. So every day that passes this number gradually diminishes. A death spiral indeed.
Thank you Times Radio for taking of the comment I was replying to given that my reply was taken off three times. Therefore I had no other option to report the comment I was concerned about, appears you were not.
I will not tolerate a working class come good MP be belittled for doing that in a most nasty way.
I am working class and proud to be a hard working individual and for sure have earned my salary and status. And will always battle for that when wrong is done regardless who that battle is with.
I was going to take it further if that comment was not taken off as my comment was, three times.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I know who my betters are. Never majority of Tories.
Dead party walking ...boss.
I'm 75 and this is the worst government I've lived under. Bring on the GENERAL Election.
The issue is that the conservative party are far too right wing on the wrong things like economics. Neo liberalism is dead, particularly for people under the age of 40 who want more wealth distribution, house building, reversal of privatisation of the railways and other public utilities like water. The conservatives only appeal to very rich people now. They aren't appealing to asset poor younger people, and they aren't appealing to more socially conservative older people who want immigration reduced and will vote reform.
They are not right wing on ANYTHING.
As they are also too right wing on social and cultural issues, that doesn’t seem to leave much.
This country is stuck in a death spiral. If the Times had done their job any time in the last 14 years, it could have been so different
Death spiral is what happens after the incompetence spiral.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
Wow! I have long maintained the Tory Party needs to change its membership asap if they wish to prosper electorally.
Never forget the mass genocide the far left caused in the 20th century.
The far left are historically mass murderers. .. million of rotting corpses.
A collective of the out of touch!
Come on kier it’s our time to win ?
They are already dead They are just prolonging our agony it's who they are.
How's about sitting on your sword Danger Mouse..
Varnubes? Did I hear that correctly? Any help is much appreciated for this oldie!
Almost certainly not. "Vibes"
Apparently we have a jobs SURPLUS wheras you'd think that high unemployment goes with a fcked economy.
Can anyone explain that??
Sunak the biggest mistake since Custer shouted charge
Sunak looks smaller every day
bye bye bye sunak and cronies
Mr Blair began the decline of the UK and the weak Con-servative party has accelerated the demise 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Decline of UK. You mean one of the best GDP growth figures over his tenure and the NHS noted as one of the best health systems in the world by the WHO. Credit rating was then 100%.It is now 87%. The debt was 900 billion mainly due to world wide banking crisis. It's now 3 trillion and even before the pandemic was at a record high of 1.3 trillion. Debt payments were at 2.3%now at over 10%.Poverty was getting less and less year on year. Food bank use was negligible. Check the facts before making sweeping statements.
You can go much further back than that. The crisis of the Great Depression, caused by out of control financial capitalism.
Roosevelt delt with that one, The New Deal and Glass Steagall etc. The UK followed suit post Ww2. If Roosevelt hadn't have put in place, what were seen as radical socilist policies at that time, inspired by Keynes' writings, the US wouldn't of been in the strong position to fight in Ww2.
So let's get rid of ALL 'PARTY Politics democracy' full-stop. Replaced with PEOPLE Politics democracy.
Macroeconomists are feeding AI empirical information on the Monden Monetary System Framework capacity for the public good outcome. AI will be the change on political information transparency that is needed. It will show how and why past policies were chosen by polatitions, it will show how different policies would have changed economic outcomes. Political manipulation and fallacies will be laid bear.
Trouble is, I’d be very surprised if any other party could put things right……as I see it , the vortex of doom is seeping into even the most positive of attitudes.
It’s time now for a total change on the political horizon. Possibly conform.
Did that woman just call the tories so right wing , faking really hahaha ha that is the most ridiculous thing ever
They've never been so pathetically left.
Not long to wait? The Election won't be until January unless they can scare Sunak into calling it sooner!
They should call it sooner for f@ck sake . Reform.
The sooner Sunak calls an election, the sooner we'll all get back to normal - including the Tories.
IF NAT LIVING WAGE IS £11.44 hr x 40 x 52 £23,795.00 why do you pay your pensioners £11,000.00 LESS ? how do you expect us to live ? ive paid in for 50 years , its not my fault governments have given my money away , you took my money ,now pay the proper pension
Firstly not many workers work 40hours a week and after tax and insurance is deducted from the figure the total goes down to about 19900 pounds. On top of that most pensioners have no mortgage to pay or if they only have a state pension get help with council tax and rent (if renting). Plus there is pension credit and help with optician payments etc. You can't expect state pension to be same as minimum wage based on 40 hours. Unreal comparison.
They can pay it, they just don't want to. It is against their policies. They are winding down the welfare state.
History repeats, it was at this point on a global scale just before the Great Depression.
He going to fine or in prison homeless people now when he did a promotion but at a homeless place where they feed the homeless and rishi sunak said what do you do for a living how out of touch is he I think he thought the Tories weren't doing bad enough so he added this
It's been a long time coming, Tories are not good n it shows.
Get them out. Reform from now on.
Sunak hahahahaha lol !
I honestly still think they could win the election or atleast be the biggest party.
Surely they can just deny it and move to a different fictional narrative?
I thought that was the whole point of the degrowth movement.
so the first 2 mins is someone saying the same thing twice because?
Sunak is so little
The Tories are in a death spiral which begs the question as to why Labour are threatening to change almost nothing. Vote Labour, get the Tory version of Brexit and anti immigration rhetoric. The governing party is pathetic as is the opposition.
Much though it hurts, I must agree that Starmer's Labour are pretty dire.
@@Stan_55UK why?
The problem is the right-wing press. To take a random example: The Times.
If the right of the Tories kick the rest out then what party do the more centrist tories go to? They won't all want to leave politics.
Lib Dems. Most of them are anyway, they're certainly not Conservatives. Which is the root of the problem.
The reason that they want expel the centrists is that the Election results are going to be so bad that the few remaining centrists will make up a majority of the parliamentary party.
After the next Election Tory Disaster, the Tories will bring Johnson Back, as he is far better than Badenoch , Braverman or Mordaunt. But was another disaster!!
We're all doomed with either shower in Westminster almost exclusively MPs in English constituencies. It's past time that N. Ireland & Scotland got out of this crumbling UK
I feel uneasy hearing all these doom predictions about Tories. Agreed they are not in a good shape (I must admit I don't feel sorry for them even if I am a right-wing person from France). By doing all these doom predictions you motivate Tory-voter to go vote and invite other parties voters to stay home.
When people say that the Tory party's 140 000 members don't represent the country how do they knew this most people are concerned about immigration crime and anti white discrimination and anti white attitudes among non whites in Britain
Most people aren’t. Try examining polls rather than your own putrid prejudices you desolate woman
The lists of voters' priorities that I have seen do not align with your assertion.
Please provide a link to verifiable data.
@@jeremymanson1781 she hasn’t got any she’s projecting her racism and imagines most people are supportive rather than disgusted
The disconnect between the remote, chattering class, ivory-towered commentariat in this video and the real world is extraordinary. Conservatives across the land are dismayed at the lack of conservatism and how leftwards The Conservative Party has drifted over the last two decades, to become indistinguishable from Blairite and Starmer Labour. The Tories and Labour are now commonly referred to as the "Uniparty" for this reason. Millions of ordinary aspirational conservative people feel completely ignored by their party, and by the commentariat. Big state, high taxes, and culturally hyper-liberal policies have left a yawning and yearning gap for a pro-business, low tax , small state and culturally confident party to enter and fill the void.
Ironically, didnt the people you refer to love Boris? He was pretty liberal...
If this is actually serious and not a trolling wind up you are off your rocker and your ‘vision’ of how a society should be run was tried and it lasted 45 days before the lettuce emerged victorious.
Brilliant summary!
Pathetic Arm's dealership..
GENERAL ELECTIONS and accountability..
The current government is aligned with these commentators, who are keen that the party follow the line that Sunak has chosen and not move to the right.
How's that going for Sunak and the wider Conservative Party ?
There's space for a right wing party in the UK - the Conservatives can either occupy that space, or allow Reform or another party to.
this is wrong - the nation ended up voting for Boris Johnson
And what a mistake that was.
Heaven forbid the members should actually vote for their own leader!
Yes look at the mess the MPs made' first with May now with Sunak.
It sounds great on paper, but this is what chose IDS over Ken Clarke, The Lettuce over Sunak, and Corbyn over Andy Burnham or Yvetter Cooper.
@@sfactory8253 anything that has popular support is just branded as far right.. by London luvvies who couldn’t care less for normal people. Thanks Times Radio!
Or David Cameron over David Davis ?@@majortwang2396
@@rpaterson433 tell us what is popular, who or what exactly has this ‘popular support’? What’s a London ‘luvvie’ ? Do you mean someone who has two brain cells to rub together? Knowing a few pillocks who affirm your prejudices doesn’t make it popular (Farage has a negative approval of -44 just to give it some context)
just the labour lite party
Not much new analysis here. Still, Times Radio has billed itself as ‘The Election Station’ so it is yet another chance for this trio to get their rocks off.
The so called 'sensible Tory MPs are in fact 'do nothing just draw a salary and expenses'.
They did not want to be elected on Johnson's 'Get Brexit Done' and never forgave him for that success. They preferred May's 'Don't do much at all' which is what a careerist likes.
😂
Could Times Radio be any more smugly liberal?
I would not describe these tories as far right, right or center right. They are clearly center left
they are self-centre, Selfservative Party
Tobias Elwood and Alicia Kearns are sensible? The Tory Party is right wing? Hahahahah ok luv 👌🏻
vote Reform UK ,lets give labour a credible opposition !!!!
Well the General Public are now asking what have this Tory Party achieved having been in power for14 years? Well they will certainly go down in the history books having achieved a couple of things - 1) a cost of living crisis 2) a Recession. Just another good reason to vote REFORM UK. At least they have a very clear strategy as to how they would address all the major issues now facing our once great nation (most of which have been created by the 2 main, traditional parties over the last few decades).
I dislike almost all politicians, most of whom are self-centred liars, nor do I have much faith in Labour to correct the Tory mess.
But Reform? Really? I read their manifesto, and it's a list of ideas unachievable in the real world They're not even a proper party, with no members and all decisions made by an unelected and unelectable handful of shareholders. A far right rabble of right wing fantasists like Farage, Tice and Habib.
But there's no need to worry for now, because they won't be anywhere near power for at least 5 or hopefully 10 years.
Except of course they won’t win a single seat so what’s the point, unless it is tactical voting?
3) Housing crisis and 4) in v-ad r crisis.
Many North Yorkshire ex-Conservatives, are 'Reforming' hard.
Does times radio have nothing else to discuss? It seems like we will have months of this navel gazing.
They are more interested in the Tory soap opera than the huge news stories millions are facing e.g the collapse of the NHS
The problem with all pf that is that the 'moderates' are the ones who have been sitting on their hands and doing nothing. Truss might have been wrong, but at least she was trying. Sunak, et al, are not trying to do anything.
What do the mean by “the right” ? Seems to me the Overton window has moved so far left that ‘right’ now means nothing at all.
Who cares, soon Times Radio can publish zillions of videos slagging off Labour policies.
That party is REFORM U.K. they listen to the people and adopt a common sense policies to win!
The lady saying the Tories are right wing!! they are very much left of centre.
I wouldn't call the austerity measures that have impacted millions in a negative way a left of centre policy. The ERG faction which has had huge influence in the party is as right wing as it gets.
Met with our new to be Reform candidate at a meeting they arranged last night, we were very much impressed, every answer that was fired at them they answered without hesitation ,and to everyones satisfaction. so please we have joined the Reform Party,
He'll lose, of course.
You made that up. There’s a few dozen of you who get on every politics thread you can find to peddle this garbage. Remind us what happened in Rochdale? There wasn’t a lot of ‘Reform satisfaction’ in evidence there.
And good luck with that. Please give my regards to Farage and Truss and any other googly eyed eejit you encounter.