Just bought a 2021 GTI SE, manual trans., last Tuesday. Fabulous car. Fastest -- and most fun to drive -- vehicle since I had a BMW 2002 during the 1970's and early 1980's.
Thank you for reviewing the Auto Bahn. Too many reviews that compare the R to a base or mid-level GTI. I like the GTI because the of the red stripe, the fog lights, and it's lighter in weight. I feel the GTI is better around town and sharp corners at lower speeds. It feels like it has more torque at lower speeds/rpm. I got the R because I liked the color (Lapiz Blue) and the larger wheels. I just wish mine could have come with Pretoria wheels. I like the value of the R being that it is not far from the price of an Auto Bahn. Plus the engine pulls hard on the highway which I think is the sweet spot for the R, and AWD is nice to have.
Great video Pete. Earlier today paid deposit on a 2019 lapiz blue with 19 black Pretoria alloys with pano roof. Your car looked great all cleaned up in the sun
The mk7.5 Golf R and GTI production stopped (june 2020 ) not 2019.because my GTI TCR has a build date of june 2020. and where i live you can still get both of these new (March 2021),
I think it comes down to where you live. If you are in a country where it rains and snows a lot I think golf r is the way. Otherwise the GTI is probably enough. I own a golf r and live in Australia so probably don't need the R. Another way to look at it, If you're going to track the car is definitely get the GTI with the LSD and manual transmission. If not tracking then perhaps the Golf R. I really wish the golf R can with a proper LSD at least on the front end.
The gti would be my choice because it’s cheaper than the golf r. Also the gti is light weight than the golf r because the gti is fwd but the golf r is awd. Also the gti interior has red accent and red contrast stitching which the golf r interior looks basic cheap interior material. Also the gti has the golf ball shift knob which the golf r doesn’t. Also you can tune and modify the gti so it can perform like the golf r performance and easily beat the golf r awd with fwd. also I don’t really need awd because I live in nyc, I need fwd because it has better traction and hard cornering than rwd. So definitely consider a gti over a golf r.
Yes fwd has better cornering as well because they civic type r has it and the veloster n being fwd. also rwd can easily lose control if you push it too hard in the corner, when it’s raining rwd can go out of control if traction control isn’t on. also rwd suck at snow because they easily can skid also because the engine is on the front but traction is only at the back. But fwd can somehow be snow capable because the engine is on the front sitting on top of the front axle. But awd has even more better traction and better cornering as well as more performance, also they are even more better at snow like a 4x4.
all of this are options. virtual cockpit, manual handbreak, ect. You can have the exact same features into the gti and R, the door interiors led are identical just Red for GTI en Blue for R. Same for infotainement system, their is optional Pro version, ect. The only thing that will differentiate both cars are the Seats availables, exterior front bumper/headlights and the 4WD/FWD
Really enjoying my 21 GTI .haha so glad I got the red accents and stitching .I love that we have a manual ebrake to cause I use that alot for sliding on the ice here
"I don't necessarily know...." That word "necessarily"? Not necessary! George Carlin has an entire bit on "extra" words. Just busting your balls. Great explanation of the differences between the 2 cars.
I can't wait for the mk8 to come to the US Having trouble deciding if I should trade my civic hatch in for a mk8 R or just get a miata as a second car. However the reviews for the mk8 R do seem promising
As someone new to New England, of course AWD is better than FWD in the winter. But is it worth another ~11k over the GTI S with blizaks when it comes to driving in snow? Anyone’s input would be greatly appreciated. You can pretty much get a GTi S in Nashua for ~27k
Honestly 4wd is not a must for winter...i have been through some incredibly bad stroms on nearly bald all season tires in fwd cars and have done fine. if it's really bad where you live a set of snow tires on a fwd car will do exceedingly well. I would rather save the money and add a few mods to the gti.....or happily leave it stock as it's already an amazing car. It all depends on what kind of car you want though.... The GTI is lighter and more fun to drive.... It's the better driver's car of the two, and many automotive journalists will tell you that. The r is faster and more capable.... But heavier and less fun to drive. you will have a harder time approaching its limits on public roads and less fun in doing so...the all-wheel drive system in the r is also pretty passive until you get a lot of slip. This means that it just feels like a heavier GTI most of the time, until the system cuts in. if you plan on modding for big power of course the all wheel drive R is going to be able to handle that better, once your past stage one power (300+ hp) fwd struggles putting it down. If you're looking for a fun car with zero weaknesses I would just get the GTI. The gti also looks much better than the R in my opinion, and between the two the gti is the icon people know and love. and it performs incredibly out of the box and with a few small mods like a rear sway bar and a stage 1 tune you have a lethal road weapon that would easily keep up with a stock R or blast past it.
**TLDR: If you can afford the R, its worth it, if you can't afford the R then you are in luck. the GTI on winters is great**. I am also in new england, winter tires are sufficient compared to awd when it comes to snow. AWD is great, and launch control is great, and torque vectoring is great and AWD with winter tires is crazy great... but winter tires and a brain is enough to handle snow. Disclaimer, I owned a stage 2+ golf R, currently drive a modded alltrack, and drove modified FWD VWs for 30 years of new england winters.
lol... no.... They have a sunroof option in Europe.... Not here in NA. Its not to keep costs down, and its not because its "engineered to have a stiffer chassis" - The reason no sunroof option exists here in NA on the R is that the Golf R is certified in the US with the same platform as the E Golf. Both the R and E have raised rear floors, the R for haldex and E for batteries.
@@mazpr2025 MK8 or MK7? The MK8 is gonna be near impossible to find at MSRP atm because we're all on wait lists. I ordered mine almost a year ago now when I first made that comment above lol - still waiting.
I just did the same comparison with a friend on my channel. The gti can be had for a damn good price. However, I think I'm still def edging towards the golf r being worth it, despite the big price difference , just a much better all around car.
I’ve owned both, I think I prefer the GTI for an all around car for all purposes. If you just want speed and performance then get the R but a better daily driver I’d argue is the GTI
@@ninjamonkey1 but isnt fwd better for entering corners fast? I know u can shoot OUT of a Corner with the R but isnt the fwd gti better and have more responsive steering on zigzags and swerving, my next car will be a gti or an R and im having a hard time deciding since i like to take corners in a fast manner but At the same time floor it at every stoplight
I love both. But if you want a fast roll racing car power to weight I’d go with GTI I made 580 whp MK7 beating 700-800 whp cars. Ran a Golf R same gen as mine w same power to wheeels and I was beating by 3 car lengths. And the manual has better top end like 181 mph vs the DSG 173 mph.
Hey Pete I'm looking to get a 2018 or 2019 R soon,from your experience are dealers coming off the price a bit that they have posted online ? I found a couple that show "fair deal " I want a great deal
@@davidnguyen2410 no, prices are wayyyy too high right now.... I'm even considering a 2021 gti now..I'm not paying 40k for a golf R...anything under 40k has way too many miles ..I'm coming from a lexus , I can't pay that much for a car that is not going to be reliable.
Does anyone here has a creaking noise on their 2021 gti se? I just got this car a month ago but it’s already making a creaking noise when I’m driving, it’s in the driver and passenger side. I actually uploaded a video
@@downshiftfam2609 it says 228 but pretty much every one I’ve seen dynoed stock actually makes like 235-240 to the wheels. Idk why but VW notoriously sandbags their performance numbers
Good video with the comparison to choose! If you allow me to get this clip and introduce on my channel with Korean subtitles for people here, that would be very useful to check both golfs! ❤ I really love golf too!
The Pretoria wheels really make a difference in handling on the R, btw. I have both the etowns (all-seasons) and the Pretorias (summers) to use with my '19 R and the reduced weight of the Pretorias is noticeable. Was that R a 2018? Mine has the frame less rear view mirror (auto-dim) like the Gti in this video. Not sure if the previous owner did that as a mod. BTW, also bought my '19 R used before covid hit. Very glad I did so. The 18/19 model years for both the Gti and R have the long (6yr/72k) b2b vwoa warranty, btw
@@davidalexhughes with the Pretorias being 4lbs per corner lighter it's definitely not placebo, lol. Oddly enough I remounted them yesterday and definitely noticed a difference.
hey man i just bought a 2016 golf r and I wanted to see if you have any recommendations for mods. i have the same apr intake that you bought, and other than that performance wise its stock. lmk if you have any ideas/tips. thanks!
I also have a mk7 R (if my pic didn't give it away) the first thing I would do if I were you is *tune it.* I have a JB4... I would get an actual tune (not a piggy back), like a cobb access port or a good one is Unitronic tune (TCU+ECU) or something like that. Then if you are looking to just gain performance get a *downpipe, and an intercooler then stage 2 it.* This is the rout I went and the car is doing a 0-60 in 4 (I live in Colorado though, so it might be less for you) If you are satisfied with the stage 1 tune, and it is a daily driver then work on getting like a *underbelly pan, rear sway bar, end-links, spare tire* if you don't have one, and maybe even think about like folding mirror if you live in the city etc... Just go on ECS tuning and browse for upgrades to the car, and start doing whatever it is that would fit you. Hope this helps.
Tires. People love to tune cars before bothering to buy tires but tires are the point at which power is applied to the road. If you don't have quality tires, throwing money at power is just paying for power you can't really use. Buy nice tires, feel the ride on nice tires with the current power so when you do tune it (which I highly recommend stage 1+ unitronic 93 octane and supporting mods, it's a beast and you won't need a downpipe until stage 2) you will actually appreciate and be able to apply that power to the road.
zebedee147 yup. Looks better, faster, sexier interior.. countless of things. Oh and it was cheaper than a GTI and has even a virtual cockpit even though its from 2015. Same engine as GTI and AWD...
@@VuBeClan in your opinion it looks better. In my opinion you could look like a hairdresser driving a TT. Also come back when you've learnt how to drive manual fella 🤣
zebedee147 loool pussy, i can bang gears all day with my Miata ND manual. Not my opinion, insta + carspotters take pictures of my car everywhere i go. RS bodykit makes it look hella sexy
I would like the "R" just because of the AWD system! more practically for all seasonal driving!
Honestly I feel like the r should have the “face” of the gti I feel like it’s a more menacing smile
Just bought a 2021 GTI SE, manual trans., last Tuesday. Fabulous car. Fastest -- and most fun to drive -- vehicle since I had a BMW 2002 during the 1970's and early 1980's.
Thank you for reviewing the Auto Bahn. Too many reviews that compare the R to a base or mid-level GTI. I like the GTI because the of the red stripe, the fog lights, and it's lighter in weight. I feel the GTI is better around town and sharp corners at lower speeds. It feels like it has more torque at lower speeds/rpm. I got the R because I liked the color (Lapiz Blue) and the larger wheels. I just wish mine could have come with Pretoria wheels. I like the value of the R being that it is not far from the price of an Auto Bahn. Plus the engine pulls hard on the highway which I think is the sweet spot for the R, and AWD is nice to have.
Great video Pete. Earlier today paid deposit on a 2019 lapiz blue with 19 black Pretoria alloys with pano roof. Your car looked great all cleaned up in the sun
Sweet! That will be such a great spec. Congrats on your purchase.
Cheers bro
The GTI wheels are the Belvedere's that were featured on the Clubsport model overseas
big fan of them!
These wheels are hawt. Love them on my 2021 Autobahn. Best in class. Easy to clean too.
The mk7.5 Golf R and GTI production stopped (june 2020 ) not 2019.because my GTI TCR has a build date of june 2020.
and where i live you can still get both of these new (March 2021),
If you get a GTI, you NEED to go stage 1 ASAP. I waited too long for it, its like a new car to me! Making close to 300hp.
is stage 1 the first mod you did for your gti?
@@faresd2570 No, i did spacers, resonator delete and some aesthetics first because i was too scare to put my gti stage 1 for some reason.
@@tipou900 did it void warranty?
@@Jmoneyy365 My dealership didnt care but its not the same evrywhere.
you should get a downpipe and an intercooler too
I have an R manual with the Pretoria wheels and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Love it to bits.
Please review the mk8 R when it comes stateside!
Planning on it!
I think it comes down to where you live. If you are in a country where it rains and snows a lot I think golf r is the way. Otherwise the GTI is probably enough. I own a golf r and live in Australia so probably don't need the R. Another way to look at it, If you're going to track the car is definitely get the GTI with the LSD and manual transmission. If not tracking then perhaps the Golf R.
I really wish the golf R can with a proper LSD at least on the front end.
The gti would be my choice because it’s cheaper than the golf r. Also the gti is light weight than the golf r because the gti is fwd but the golf r is awd. Also the gti interior has red accent and red contrast stitching which the golf r interior looks basic cheap interior material. Also the gti has the golf ball shift knob which the golf r doesn’t. Also you can tune and modify the gti so it can perform like the golf r performance and easily beat the golf r awd with fwd. also I don’t really need awd because I live in nyc, I need fwd because it has better traction and hard cornering than rwd. So definitely consider a gti over a golf r.
Fwd cut into corners. They use up tires faster than a rwd car. Fwd car do not have better traction or cornering than rwd cars,
Yes fwd has better cornering as well because they civic type r has it and the veloster n being fwd. also rwd can easily lose control if you push it too hard in the corner, when it’s raining rwd can go out of control if traction control isn’t on. also rwd suck at snow because they easily can skid also because the engine is on the front but traction is only at the back. But fwd can somehow be snow capable because the engine is on the front sitting on top of the front axle. But awd has even more better traction and better cornering as well as more performance, also they are even more better at snow like a 4x4.
Also i have a point i may add also
Good vid as always dude
thank you!
If I had a choice & an unlimited budget I’d chose the Golf R no doubt AWD wins anyday
all of this are options. virtual cockpit, manual handbreak, ect. You can have the exact same features into the gti and R, the door interiors led are identical just Red for GTI en Blue for R. Same for infotainement system, their is optional Pro version, ect. The only thing that will differentiate both cars are the Seats availables, exterior front bumper/headlights and the 4WD/FWD
handbrake*
@@NewEnglandPete yeah sorry, not native english speaker, can mess with writing sometime.
Really enjoying my 21 GTI .haha so glad I got the red accents and stitching .I love that we have a manual ebrake to cause I use that alot for sliding on the ice here
"I don't necessarily know...." That word "necessarily"? Not necessary! George Carlin has an entire bit on "extra" words. Just busting your balls. Great explanation of the differences between the 2 cars.
I can't wait for the mk8 to come to the US
Having trouble deciding if I should trade my civic hatch in for a mk8 R or just get a miata as a second car. However the reviews for the mk8 R do seem promising
Keep the Civic hatch and buy the R. If you buy a used Miata you will be spending extra money fixing it.
Cost dictated which one for me, R pricing used was ridiculous in 19'
As someone new to New England, of course AWD is better than FWD in the winter. But is it worth another ~11k over the GTI S with blizaks when it comes to driving in snow? Anyone’s input would be greatly appreciated. You can pretty much get a GTi S in Nashua for ~27k
Same thought here, waiting on the mk8
@@JR-od3gl imo MK8 is ugly as sin. I'd stick with 7.5 and get a deal on 2021 models.
Honestly 4wd is not a must for winter...i have been through some incredibly bad stroms on nearly bald all season tires in fwd cars and have done fine. if it's really bad where you live a set of snow tires on a fwd car will do exceedingly well.
I would rather save the money and add a few mods to the gti.....or happily leave it stock as it's already an amazing car.
It all depends on what kind of car you want though....
The GTI is lighter and more fun to drive.... It's the better driver's car of the two, and many automotive journalists will tell you that. The r is faster and more capable.... But heavier and less fun to drive. you will have a harder time approaching its limits on public roads and less fun in doing so...the all-wheel drive system in the r is also pretty passive until you get a lot of slip. This means that it just feels like a heavier GTI most of the time, until the system cuts in.
if you plan on modding for big power of course the all wheel drive R is going to be able to handle that better, once your past stage one power (300+ hp) fwd struggles putting it down.
If you're looking for a fun car with zero weaknesses I would just get the GTI.
The gti also looks much better than the R in my opinion, and between the two the gti is the icon people know and love. and it performs incredibly out of the box and with a few small mods like a rear sway bar and a stage 1 tune you have a lethal road weapon that would easily keep up with a stock R or blast past it.
**TLDR: If you can afford the R, its worth it, if you can't afford the R then you are in luck. the GTI on winters is great**. I am also in new england, winter tires are sufficient compared to awd when it comes to snow. AWD is great, and launch control is great, and torque vectoring is great and AWD with winter tires is crazy great... but winter tires and a brain is enough to handle snow. Disclaimer, I owned a stage 2+ golf R, currently drive a modded alltrack, and drove modified FWD VWs for 30 years of new england winters.
GTI with good winter tires is a good dollar choice. Save your money. AWD is overrated and won't make you stop sooner than FWD.
love gti design
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but like 4 wheel drive
yes the haldex will help!
Great video!
8:40 No sunroof on the Golf R because it's engineered to have a stiffer chassis, not "to keep costs down".
lol... no.... They have a sunroof option in Europe.... Not here in NA. Its not to keep costs down, and its not because its "engineered to have a stiffer chassis" - The reason no sunroof option exists here in NA on the R is that the Golf R is certified in the US with the same platform as the E Golf. Both the R and E have raised rear floors, the R for haldex and E for batteries.
Man, that R is sweet. How hard is it to get one when they are available? I heard they don’t make many and there are waiting lists. Is that true?
can't get them new anymore atm they stopped production in July 2019 - MK8 R is due to arrive here in North America late this year.
@@fast2ghl I called a dealer who had one, 500miles away from where I live, thar is the closest one, they want 10k over MSRP... told them to F0k off
@@mazpr2025 MK8 or MK7? The MK8 is gonna be near impossible to find at MSRP atm because we're all on wait lists. I ordered mine almost a year ago now when I first made that comment above lol - still waiting.
Great video!! liked and subbed 👍🏼
I just did the same comparison with a friend on my channel. The gti can be had for a damn good price. However, I think I'm still def edging towards the golf r being worth it, despite the big price difference , just a much better all around car.
Easy answer: R
Agreed
I’ve owned both, I think I prefer the GTI for an all around car for all purposes. If you just want speed and performance then get the R but a better daily driver I’d argue is the GTI
@@im2good4you98 wrong answer lol. R is basically an awd GTI. Daily driveability stays the same if not better since it can handle all types of weather.
@@ninjamonkey1 How can one's opinion be the wrong answer?
@@ninjamonkey1 but isnt fwd better for entering corners fast? I know u can shoot OUT of a
Corner with the R but isnt the fwd gti better and have more responsive steering on zigzags and swerving, my next car will be a gti or an R and im having a hard time deciding since i like to take corners in a fast manner but
At the same time floor it at every stoplight
I love both. But if you want a fast roll racing car power to weight I’d go with GTI I made 580 whp MK7 beating 700-800 whp cars. Ran a Golf R same gen as mine w same power to wheeels and I was beating by 3 car lengths. And the manual has better top end like 181 mph vs the DSG 173 mph.
Hey Pete I'm looking to get a 2018 or 2019 R soon,from your experience are dealers coming off the price a bit that they have posted online ? I found a couple that show "fair deal " I want a great deal
You won’t find many great deals, as I never did when I searched for my R. It’s sad, but these Golf R’s really hold their value.
@@NewEnglandPete yea that's what I'm noticing when browsing online. I think I'd have to go with a 2018 then as the 19s are way too close to 40k .
The MK7 R prices will drop once the MK8 hits US shores.
Have you got yours yet?
@@davidnguyen2410 no, prices are wayyyy too high right now.... I'm even considering a 2021 gti now..I'm not paying 40k for a golf R...anything under 40k has way too many miles ..I'm coming from a lexus , I can't pay that much for a car that is not going to be reliable.
black mirror caps on gti are NOT stock. just fyi. OEM is colour of vehicle, so this one should be white
Do any m7.5 GTI come with the digital cockpit?
R only until mk8
Does anyone here has a creaking noise on their 2021 gti se? I just got this car a month ago but it’s already making a creaking noise when I’m driving, it’s in the driver and passenger side. I actually uploaded a video
I am pretty sure The GTI performance has 245 hp, not 228 hp
In the USA, it is 228.
Really? So you don’t get the 245 version at all in the US?
They get 228 in Europe we have 245 on the performance and the r has 310 hp stock
@@downshiftfam2609 it says 228 but pretty much every one I’ve seen dynoed stock actually makes like 235-240 to the wheels. Idk why but VW notoriously sandbags their performance numbers
@@Chris-qe6qr is this a fact?
Can you confirm both the gti and R don't have the touch buttons on the steering wheels?
MK7.5 and older so not have capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. Just regular buttons.
Good video with the comparison to choose! If you allow me to get this clip and introduce on my channel with Korean subtitles for people here, that would be very useful to check both golfs! ❤ I really love golf too!
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The Pretoria wheels really make a difference in handling on the R, btw. I have both the etowns (all-seasons) and the Pretorias (summers) to use with my '19 R and the reduced weight of the Pretorias is noticeable.
Was that R a 2018? Mine has the frame less rear view mirror (auto-dim) like the Gti in this video. Not sure if the previous owner did that as a mod.
BTW, also bought my '19 R used before covid hit. Very glad I did so. The 18/19 model years for both the Gti and R have the long (6yr/72k) b2b vwoa warranty, btw
Placebo effect
@@davidalexhughes with the Pretorias being 4lbs per corner lighter it's definitely not placebo, lol. Oddly enough I remounted them yesterday and definitely noticed a difference.
Just wish they had a two door option… killed it after the mk7 R and halfway through MK7 on GTI
A better comparison with the R is the Edition35/40 not the simple Gti
if u do alot of highway the r lot of town/city gti imo
hey man i just bought a 2016 golf r and I wanted to see if you have any recommendations for mods. i have the same apr intake that you bought, and other than that performance wise its stock. lmk if you have any ideas/tips. thanks!
I also have a mk7 R (if my pic didn't give it away) the first thing I would do if I were you is *tune it.* I have a JB4... I would get an actual tune (not a piggy back), like a cobb access port or a good one is Unitronic tune (TCU+ECU) or something like that. Then if you are looking to just gain performance get a *downpipe, and an intercooler then stage 2 it.* This is the rout I went and the car is doing a 0-60 in 4 (I live in Colorado though, so it might be less for you) If you are satisfied with the stage 1 tune, and it is a daily driver then work on getting like a *underbelly pan, rear sway bar, end-links, spare tire* if you don't have one, and maybe even think about like folding mirror if you live in the city etc... Just go on ECS tuning and browse for upgrades to the car, and start doing whatever it is that would fit you. Hope this helps.
pay it off...thats the best mod
@@susanstrong2221 thanks buddy will defo refer to your comment in the future. appreciate it!
Tires. People love to tune cars before bothering to buy tires but tires are the point at which power is applied to the road. If you don't have quality tires, throwing money at power is just paying for power you can't really use. Buy nice tires, feel the ride on nice tires with the current power so when you do tune it (which I highly recommend stage 1+ unitronic 93 octane and supporting mods, it's a beast and you won't need a downpipe until stage 2) you will actually appreciate and be able to apply that power to the road.
@@susanstrong2221 Hi, can you contact me, i have question about modding golf.
I find the lack of handbrake..... disturbing
Cheers mate, next time video it please
I never drive my R without smiling DSG all the way 😂
Do prefer them to be 3 door though looks more sporty compared to 5 door which looks more of a family style car
5 door
Yeah I need me a golf r in Dayton nv
right bro ?
What polish did you use on your car mate it gleems
CarPro ceramic coating. About 3 coats of it.
Basically the R does everything the gti does but better.
False
@@blam9346 guess you have a GTI?
There’s things on both cars I want on 1
The best for me is Golf R
The golf R has 306-310 hp not 288 hp 🤦♂️
Nice try. In the USA, we get 288hp for 2018-2019 models. Worth googling before commenting next time.
NOPE. It’s 288hp 🤦🏼♂️
@@ricanrolla85 idk where y’all are from but here in South Africa it’s 310 hp (228 kw) so y’all probs get the de tuned stuff 🤡
@@jzereviews5065 Ah. US only gets 288HP. We always get fucked over here.
@@ricanrolla85 🤣🤣🤣
But no spare tyre in the R, GTI better daily driver for this reason alone...
……. you can buy a spare tire and put it in the R.
Gti look good than r
My GTi is faster than most golf rs out there, 3dr manual stage 2 and it probably cost less than a r
My 2015 DSG TT 8s is faster than your GTI with just stage 2, and costed less than your GTI
@@VuBeClan that's a TT you moron.
zebedee147 yup. Looks better, faster, sexier interior.. countless of things. Oh and it was cheaper than a GTI and has even a virtual cockpit even though its from 2015. Same engine as GTI and AWD...
@@VuBeClan in your opinion it looks better. In my opinion you could look like a hairdresser driving a TT. Also come back when you've learnt how to drive manual fella 🤣
zebedee147 loool pussy, i can bang gears all day with my Miata ND manual. Not my opinion, insta + carspotters take pictures of my car everywhere i go. RS bodykit makes it look hella sexy
Golf r = slower top speed, heavier, powertrain loss and less fun
Nice
The gti
VW tiny i
GTI all the way. That look is way better than the R.