Crazy how narratives change, before the season people thought Bryce was going to the better situation and CJ was headed towards a not so good one. Before the season nobody knew the Texans WRs, a rookie play caller, a rookie head coach lol
Nobody thought that 😂😂😂😂💀 his one potential weapon who was only even a WR2 was traded away. Their whole roster is bad. EVERYBODY knows that. Nobody ever said Bryce was going to a better situation LMAO.
CJ Stroud is not what many rookies need or have to be so I'm not going to compare. But as for Bryce he is soft af, NFL requires focus on football and pushing yourself to the limit, he better find his inner beast and then think only in terms of win, focus on your job only, take no failure as an option, he is a scatter brain softy in terms of NFL
2 things can be true. 1. Stroud is a much better QB himself 2. His situation was special as well. Nico Collins is easiky a top 10 WR. The playcaller is beyond special and inflates stats of CJ. Cj is a good but not great starter. Bryce a solid backup QB
@@erikpuka2627cj stroud is great tf bro played like a veteran qb like he’s been there done that don’t ever cook again he is great he had almost the most passing yards barely any picks only 6 for a rookie too? Like stop it the hate is still on lmao Bryce young isn’t even solid he’s not good right now. He needs to sit behind someone and learn
I think he’s shown some flashes of talent, but the panthers have a history of incompetence so I don’t think they’ll make the moves necessary to really be that different of a team next year
A few things to note. The “Tepper overruled Reich” rumor was never confirmed and Reich denied it. Plus the GM is in charge of the draft anyways. On a separate note, winning the heisman does not mean you’re objectively the best player in football, it means you’re perceived as the best player by the people who give the award. The video was mostly well done, but try to watch out for logical fallacies in the future. Also, it’s fine to use rumors as evidence, but be sure to preface them as such.
Give him a o-line a receiver that can separate/ Wr 1 and a good head coach, he’ll probably be successful, he has one year down so he should be more comfortable year 2
Isn't it true that many #1 picks just become journeyman or end up decent but not great or they become pretty good but it takes a lot longer than expected? Goff, Baker, Winston, Bradford, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and David Carr. All selected #1 since 2000. This list does not include the total busts
We have no idea how good or bad Bryce is. With the leadership void he started his career with, he is a total question mark. I think the scouting reports are the most accurate info to look at. If the Panthers bring back Steve Wilks they will easily win the division next year.
The Panthers offense had so many issues, but the biggest had to be the scheme Reich made. He wanted a pure pocket passer, and the plays showed that. Bryce isnt a pure pocket passer, and he was stuck in a scheme he didn't fit, with insufficient support from his WRs, Run game or Oline. He needs a 2nd season with support and should improve. But, if he does improve, he does deserve a 3rd season and I think Carolina will be competitive by his 3rd year
So let me get this straight......coming out of college his arm strength, size and overall athleticism were all concerns with Bryce young. The upside was supposedly his timing and anticipation and his "field smarts". If he's not a pocket passer and let's be honest he hasn't successfully read a defense yet, how can you possibly believe he's going to be good? All the concerns are still there and he has yet to show any of the upside
He is a pure pocket passer, the issue is the line didn’t allow him the time to get through reads AND the receiving corp could not win on the line of scrimmage.
Oh think and hope he does better this year I’m sure he has talked to Stroud on the phone and that might make a difference this year Stroud probably encouraged him not to give up all he has to do is look at tapes of stroud and try to mimic him if his line will let him
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So where your off is that the panthers had a much better team than the Texans proven by the panthers having to trade UP, and the Texans actually deserved the #1 by how bad they were over the bears.
Panthers drafted Mingo, who was drafted before Dell. Thielen, Sanders, and Chark were all pro bowlers before they came to Carolina. The difference is Stroud can elevate a mediocre team while Bryce can’t.
@@jalan6270 It's only terrible if you're a Bryce lover. If you're a panther fan it's the truth. You gonna tell me Nico Collins is better than chark OR thielan? Gtfo
@@jalan6270Dell better than Mingo in college so that’s why Dell is playing better in the pros? Wasn’t Bryce “better” than CJ in college… yet. I don’t think Bryce look good in college because of the talent around him, I think he looked good because of the talent he played against. And if Carolina couldn’t build around him last year, where is the confidence that they will in the future.
No, the difference is simple, stroud actually had a line to protect him and Bryce doesn’t. He’s the most pressured and one of the most sacked QBs kn the league. Ask Joe burrow how it’s like trying to elevate a team with no offensive line, dude tore his ACL getting hit like Bryce.
Football is a team sport. There were many parts of that team that failed. Coaching and scheme were horrible, O-line is geared to be run first and was never used that way while also decimated by injuries, receivers even on best days had issues with getting open, and Bryce had issues as well. Give it a year with a scheme to his strengths and we can find out if he is Manziel 2.0 or not.
People need to hold off on criticism of rookie players who actually see the field, regardless of position. QBs, especially. CJ Stroud is a generational phenomenon; most don't even sniff his level of success until Year 3, at the earliest (if ever). Bryce is no exception. Forget the talent around him, he just wasn't ready. And that's OK -- and the organization's fault. Remember, Mahomes sat one year, A-Rod sat 3, Love sat 3. And look at the results..... Needs to be a consensus among NFL teams to sit their QBs at least a year UNLESS they definitively beat out a competent vet starter in training camp and preseason. I doubt Bryce did that to Dalton -- and it wound up costing CAR the #1 pick. Dalton prolly would have won a few games to get them to #4 or #5 pick in this year's Draft; if he started off 0-4, or something, THEN bring in Bryce. O Line is Trash; Thielen is your best receiver; former coach Reich works better with vets, and running game supported nothing. Bryce played great at ALA with great players; how many college QBs play for bad programs and still Show Out in NFL?
Dell was better than Mingo, Chark had one good season, Theilin is old and slow and that'd why Vikings let him go. Sanders suck and Chubba had more rushing yards. Panthers both starting Guards were hurt all season and the backups played horrible. To top it off, Frank Reich is a horrible head coach that didn't want Bryce and set him up to fail.
So he was suppose to overcome one of the worse offensive lines in football? It I watch any game film you’ll find terrible execution compounded with non factors at Wr
Dude you need to look at tape from Bryce’s college. I hear a lot how accurate he is , but he is only accurate when he has a clean pocket, which isn’t often in NFL even with the best line. He has to plant his foot to drive the ball with power, which Murray doesn’t have to do with his arm strength. We also cannot forget how much more athletic Murray is too. Bryce will at best only be a Backup
Its like the dog swallowed Momma's wedding ring. All we can do is wait for the thing to pass and polish the shit off the diamond. Check some stats on top QBs like Manning in thier first year. They are mostly terrible. Carolina just invented a new kind of terrible.
I heard Bryce Young was the black version of Drew Brees, complete with the number 9, same jersey as Breesus! Youngsus doesn't have the same ring though! Bryce is like Link and Tepper is like Ganon from Legend of Zelda, ie his evil father in law! LOL
On a side note, is David Tepper in need of a moustache? That bald head would go great with a moustache, ask Steve Harvey! Tepper is a billionaire rival of Donald Trump, and both are control freaks, but I think Tepper wins the Tepper mental award. Punsters, I am with you......
Bryce is small, weak armed, and not a good athlete that built his draft stock off of making plays out of structure vs college athletes. He was never good.
@@Externiitynah you don’t cj stroud the reason why he’s better it’s because he’s hungry he wants it all he wants to win. But Bryce young doesn’t look hungrier. And that’s why he’s not better. Cj stroud ask Tom Brady Patrick mahomes for tips and everything even cam newton
@@Externiity he is of course but he is not hungry enough I know his receivers are horrible and his line he has potential but he’s never going to reach it as long he’s on this team unless they get someone good and fix their oline to atleast mid but as of right now cj is the best and it’s not even close I see the potential on the throws but he’s probally going to be like an year 3 is when he breaks out or 4 and that’s fine but the hype was crazy
@@Externiity he should be asking for tips from the goat Patrick mahomes or even other qbs advice will boost his game and I don’t see any. He needs to up that leadership I don’t see any leadership from that team not event he QB.
#1 picks in the last 20 years. Bryce Young, Travon Walker Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker, Myles Garret, Goff, Winston, Clowney, Eric Fisher, Luck, Cam Newton, Bradford, Jake Long, Stafford, Jamarcus Russel, Mario Williams, Eli Manning. All but 5 of them made the pro bowl and two of those are the most recent ones. Excluding them. 18/20 made the pro bowl or better. Which is 90%
@@arxchanfl I guess if that's the metric you are using. The Pro Bowl kind of a joke now days. The measure of success is generally tied to draft position (Whether right or wrong, doesn't matter). I count 4 out of the 20 I would consider a worthy pick at number 1. The rest were JAGs with a good season here or there.
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Crazy how narratives change, before the season people thought Bryce was going to the better situation and CJ was headed towards a not so good one. Before the season nobody knew the Texans WRs, a rookie play caller, a rookie head coach lol
Nobody thought that 😂😂😂😂💀 his one potential weapon who was only even a WR2 was traded away. Their whole roster is bad. EVERYBODY knows that. Nobody ever said Bryce was going to a better situation LMAO.
CJ Stroud is not what many rookies need or have to be so I'm not going to compare. But as for Bryce he is soft af, NFL requires focus on football and pushing yourself to the limit, he better find his inner beast and then think only in terms of win, focus on your job only, take no failure as an option, he is a scatter brain softy in terms of NFL
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2 things can be true.
1. Stroud is a much better QB himself
2. His situation was special as well. Nico Collins is easiky a top 10 WR. The playcaller is beyond special and inflates stats of CJ. Cj is a good but not great starter. Bryce a solid backup QB
@@erikpuka2627cj stroud is great tf bro played like a veteran qb like he’s been there done that don’t ever cook again he is great he had almost the most passing yards barely any picks only 6 for a rookie too? Like stop it the hate is still on lmao Bryce young isn’t even solid he’s not good right now. He needs to sit behind someone and learn
I think he’s shown some flashes of talent, but the panthers have a history of incompetence so I don’t think they’ll make the moves necessary to really be that different of a team next year
A few things to note. The “Tepper overruled Reich” rumor was never confirmed and Reich denied it. Plus the GM is in charge of the draft anyways. On a separate note, winning the heisman does not mean you’re objectively the best player in football, it means you’re perceived as the best player by the people who give the award. The video was mostly well done, but try to watch out for logical fallacies in the future. Also, it’s fine to use rumors as evidence, but be sure to preface them as such.
Thanks for the corrections. Also Tepper threw a drink on a jaguars fan not Panthers fan he was wrong about that as well
Give him a o-line a receiver that can separate/ Wr 1 and a good head coach, he’ll probably be successful, he has one year down so he should be more comfortable year 2
Saints 47, Panthers 10. Bust Young 2 picks.😊😂😅
Isn't it true that many #1 picks just become journeyman or end up decent but not great or they become pretty good but it takes a lot longer than expected? Goff, Baker, Winston, Bradford, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and David Carr. All selected #1 since 2000. This list does not include the total busts
Peyton Manning became legendary very much living up to the Number 1draft pick. Cam Newton also did that. Andrew Luck before he got injured.
We have no idea how good or bad Bryce is. With the leadership void he started his career with, he is a total question mark. I think the scouting reports are the most accurate info to look at. If the Panthers bring back Steve Wilks they will easily win the division next year.
I completely agree. He has not been given enough time or the tools needed to succeed.
The leadership void starts with him. He's a bust.
The Panthers offense had so many issues, but the biggest had to be the scheme Reich made. He wanted a pure pocket passer, and the plays showed that. Bryce isnt a pure pocket passer, and he was stuck in a scheme he didn't fit, with insufficient support from his WRs, Run game or Oline. He needs a 2nd season with support and should improve. But, if he does improve, he does deserve a 3rd season and I think Carolina will be competitive by his 3rd year
So let me get this straight......coming out of college his arm strength, size and overall athleticism were all concerns with Bryce young. The upside was supposedly his timing and anticipation and his "field smarts". If he's not a pocket passer and let's be honest he hasn't successfully read a defense yet, how can you possibly believe he's going to be good? All the concerns are still there and he has yet to show any of the upside
During the packers game Bryce showed flashes, didn’t lead to a win cause we challenged a catch and lost a time out.
Dude, I think they may go winless next season. Or 1-16 at best.
@@tromboneman4517ur stupid. They literally can't have a worse season then they did this season. You can come back to this commrnt next season too
He is a pure pocket passer, the issue is the line didn’t allow him the time to get through reads AND the receiving corp could not win on the line of scrimmage.
Oh think and hope he does better this year I’m sure he has talked to Stroud on the phone and that might make a difference this year Stroud probably encouraged him not to give up all he has to do is look at tapes of stroud and try to mimic him if his line will let him
lol
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So where your off is that the panthers had a much better team than the Texans proven by the panthers having to trade UP, and the Texans actually deserved the #1 by how bad they were over the bears.
Bust bust bust
casual casual casual
Panthers drafted Mingo, who was drafted before Dell. Thielen, Sanders, and Chark were all pro bowlers before they came to Carolina. The difference is Stroud can elevate a mediocre team while Bryce can’t.
Dell was better than Mingo in college. Theilen is old, Chark only has one good year and Miles had the best oline in football. This take is terrible.
@@jalan6270 It's only terrible if you're a Bryce lover. If you're a panther fan it's the truth. You gonna tell me Nico Collins is better than chark OR thielan? Gtfo
@@jalan6270Dell better than Mingo in college so that’s why Dell is playing better in the pros? Wasn’t Bryce “better” than CJ in college… yet. I don’t think Bryce look good in college because of the talent around him, I think he looked good because of the talent he played against. And if Carolina couldn’t build around him last year, where is the confidence that they will in the future.
Huff the copium buddy 😂 byce will forever live in cjs shadow @@jalan6270
No, the difference is simple, stroud actually had a line to protect him and Bryce doesn’t. He’s the most pressured and one of the most sacked QBs kn the league. Ask Joe burrow how it’s like trying to elevate a team with no offensive line, dude tore his ACL getting hit like Bryce.
Stroud had the #1 WR this draft. Marvin Harris JR.
He’s not only bad he’s horrible. CJ is a superstar!
horrible how?
Dude got sacked 62 times but he’s horrible. You sound like you bite walls dude
@@tokufire8989those sacks are on him
Football is a team sport. There were many parts of that team that failed. Coaching and scheme were horrible, O-line is geared to be run first and was never used that way while also decimated by injuries, receivers even on best days had issues with getting open, and Bryce had issues as well. Give it a year with a scheme to his strengths and we can find out if he is Manziel 2.0 or not.
Not a panthers fan but I'm hoping he turns it around,
People need to hold off on criticism of rookie players who actually see the field, regardless of position. QBs, especially. CJ Stroud is a generational phenomenon; most don't even sniff his level of success until Year 3, at the earliest (if ever). Bryce is no exception. Forget the talent around him, he just wasn't ready. And that's OK -- and the organization's fault. Remember, Mahomes sat one year, A-Rod sat 3, Love sat 3. And look at the results.....
Needs to be a consensus among NFL teams to sit their QBs at least a year UNLESS they definitively beat out a competent vet starter in training camp and preseason. I doubt Bryce did that to Dalton -- and it wound up costing CAR the #1 pick. Dalton prolly would have won a few games to get them to #4 or #5 pick in this year's Draft; if he started off 0-4, or something, THEN bring in Bryce. O Line is Trash; Thielen is your best receiver; former coach Reich works better with vets, and running game supported nothing. Bryce played great at ALA with great players; how many college QBs play for bad programs and still Show Out in NFL?
Agreed
Anyone who really watched him play last year knows he played well but his team was not even playing
Very few QBs start on a team with no O-line and no decent pass catchers. It just isnt fair
Hire Miami offensive coordinator get speedy receivers and a veteran o line. Build from there
Ryan Leaf was a Bust. However he was not drafted #1. Js. Nice video
Dell was better than Mingo, Chark had one good season, Theilin is old and slow and that'd why Vikings let him go. Sanders suck and Chubba had more rushing yards. Panthers both starting Guards were hurt all season and the backups played horrible. To top it off, Frank Reich is a horrible head coach that didn't want Bryce and set him up to fail.
We drafted Mingo higher than tank Dale that was Steve Smith's pick
Another blogger blaming everyone and everything thing but th qb
Exactly
So he was suppose to overcome one of the worse offensive lines in football? It I watch any game film you’ll find terrible execution compounded with non factors at Wr
Dude you need to look at tape from Bryce’s college. I hear a lot how accurate he is , but he is only accurate when he has a clean pocket, which isn’t often in NFL even with the best line. He has to plant his foot to drive the ball with power, which Murray doesn’t have to do with his arm strength. We also cannot forget how much more athletic Murray is too. Bryce will at best only be a Backup
It's not Bryce fault it's David tepper he was supposed to get weapons not to depend on a rookie your gonna get that a rookie and no weapons=2-15😕🙁
Hes a good qb, hes definitely not a bust. CAR fkd up everything around him, he done well considering how shitty his team is around him
It doesn't help that the Panthers have nobody else to help on offense
That man didn’t have an offensive line……. So how could he get the ball off?……..
Its like the dog swallowed Momma's wedding ring. All we can do is wait for the thing to pass and polish the shit off the diamond. Check some stats on top QBs like Manning in thier first year. They are mostly terrible. Carolina just invented a new kind of terrible.
He’s like Johnny Manziel/Tebow
No he is nalgas bad draft. A Heisman does not mean anything. With that logic Tebow should be a 3 time superbowl champion
Frank Riech made Matt Ryan look terrible. Bryce young is bound to look terrible with him.
Could be a Steve young on buccaneers scenario
or like brees on the chargers...
I heard Bryce Young was the black version of Drew Brees, complete with the number 9, same jersey as Breesus! Youngsus doesn't have the same ring though! Bryce is like Link and Tepper is like Ganon from Legend of Zelda, ie his evil father in law! LOL
On a side note, is David Tepper in need of a moustache? That bald head would go great with a moustache, ask Steve Harvey! Tepper is a billionaire rival of Donald Trump, and both are control freaks, but I think Tepper wins the Tepper mental award. Punsters, I am with you......
He will be fine. I'm hoping it doesn't happen but it looks like CJ's offensive coordinator will be with Bryce next season.
And he’ll last only one season.
The Carolina Panthers are managed worse than a key west Hooters
Tepper didn't overrule reich. Where does this lie come from??
Bryce is small, weak armed, and not a good athlete that built his draft stock off of making plays out of structure vs college athletes. He was never good.
So by your logic you need a ridiculously strong arm, big body, and top tier athleticism to be considered a good qb? please
@@Externiitynah you don’t cj stroud the reason why he’s better it’s because he’s hungry he wants it all he wants to win. But Bryce young doesn’t look hungrier. And that’s why he’s not better. Cj stroud ask Tom Brady Patrick mahomes for tips and everything even cam newton
@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk yeah this is a stupid comment. How does Bryce not look hungry?
@@Externiity he is of course but he is not hungry enough I know his receivers are horrible and his line he has potential but he’s never going to reach it as long he’s on this team unless they get someone good and fix their oline to atleast mid but as of right now cj is the best and it’s not even close I see the potential on the throws but he’s probally going to be like an year 3 is when he breaks out or 4 and that’s fine but the hype was crazy
@@Externiity he should be asking for tips from the goat Patrick mahomes or even other qbs advice will boost his game and I don’t see any. He needs to up that leadership I don’t see any leadership from that team not event he QB.
Kyler Murray isn’t the best at his position
90 percent are successful? No. More like 50 percent. Do you even watch football?
#1 picks in the last 20 years. Bryce Young, Travon Walker Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker, Myles Garret, Goff, Winston, Clowney, Eric Fisher, Luck, Cam Newton, Bradford, Jake Long, Stafford, Jamarcus Russel, Mario Williams, Eli Manning. All but 5 of them made the pro bowl and two of those are the most recent ones. Excluding them. 18/20 made the pro bowl or better. Which is 90%
@@arxchanfl I guess if that's the metric you are using. The Pro Bowl kind of a joke now days. The measure of success is generally tied to draft position (Whether right or wrong, doesn't matter). I count 4 out of the 20 I would consider a worthy pick at number 1. The rest were JAGs with a good season here or there.
@@arxchanfl I can see your point though.
Bust😢
⚫️🐈⬛🔵
Bust Young
Riech had terrible plays and a terrible play caller. If you don't put your players in a position to win none will have a stellar season.
All of those qb's U named had badass receivers...and rb's
Get off the bullshit man
My bold predictions for 2024:
Bryce will have a better season than Stroud
Levis will have a better season than Richardson