Still remember that scary feeling when my instructor demonstrated actual IMC and we entered clouds for few minutes. Having done many IFR hours in PC simulators and being quite confident while flying simulated IMC in glasses, I was still startled by that "milk" outside the glass. My brain somehow went crazy. Don't underestimate that danger, and without artificial horizon I'd no way be any close to the clouds.
@@tomdavis3038The rates of VFR pilots and IFR rated pilots crashing in IMC are about equal. You heard that right. Yes, and I'm talking about pilots that have a current and valid IR (A) rating in the license printed. *Remember* having an IR-Rating and flying IFR flight plans on a daily basis is still NOT the same as flying in actual HARD IMC-IFR with - absolutely no ground sight - absolutely no visibility - thick Clouds and fog rolling in and moving giving you the impression the the horizon is tilting (while in reality it's not) Many Instrument rated pilots even fly IFR flightplans and ILS approachs on a regular intervals and still crash for the exact same reason as VFR pilots. The explanation is simple: On paper they fly IFR, while in reality they fly the IFR flight with - the ground being (at least partially) visible - the horizon being (at least partially) visible - the training is only done with goggles or the famous hood, with the horizon still being slightly visible in your peripheral vision left and right outside of the hood. So in reality on paper they all fly IFR and all of them boast *how much instrument experience they have*, while in reality basically *all of their instrument experience happens in VMC, extremely marginal VMC* or IMC with some visible cues being still visible. So when they suddenly hit the real hard IMC with - absolutely no outside cues - without any reference - without any ground sight and - with clouds, fog and rain moving in 1. They loose all bearings, stop trusting their instruments on start trusting their inner ear again 2. vertigo and somagraphic and spatial illusion sets in *--->The graveyard spiral starts* IR rating and IFR flight plans are totally useless you fly hard IMC including Go arounds in Hard IMC at regular intervals. Even Professional Airline Pilot's with the ATPL and their IR rating fall victim to it every now and then. Remember IR Rating IFR Flightplans and Hard IMC belong to one another, but they are not always the same thing ☝🏻 The more of your instrument time is done under hard IMC if possible also with go arounds done because the runway stayed completely hidden the better your REAL IFR flying skills will be. And the more ILS approaches you do with the airport being visible at 10 miles distance, the more useless that ILS approach is for you "Instrument" time
That first actual imc experience is a real eye opener after training for hours under the hood. The thought of going in without an AI, HI, or TC is terrifying.
Holy shit, this is scarry. I never flied airplane without attitude indicator but this video shows extremely realistic scenario for VFR into IMC. It feels like it can happen to me too.
Great video. For anyone interested in this, please checkout the AOPA case studies for IMCs. Its well worth the time to learn from the (sometimes deadly) mistake of others.
Hey Dan. If I had the money, I’d definitely buy the all of your courses, not to use them, but to support you. You spend so much time making, editing these professional videos for us to learn. I’m writing this comment to support you instead.
I don’t understand why some pilots can’t fly in clouds. That’s like saying that some drivers can’t drive on four-lane highways, or some drivers can’t drive in rain. Why would a pilot start out on a long trip knowing he’s handicapped and capable only of flying on days perfectly suited for a Sunday school picnic? Is there something lacking in their training?
Because that equipment is very expensive and not every private operator can afford it. A requirement for all that expensive equipment on every aircraft would crater aviation at the entry level and exacerbate the massive pilot shortage we are now experiencing.
Uff scary… Another very old trick in this situation is to use a necklace or string as a pendulum, gravity would pull it down and let you know if you are banking. Helpful, but almost useless in turbulence.
@@AndreiDorofeev without instruments or visual reference, you will not be very coordinated and can easily end up on a 90° turn towards the ground, I don’t know, I would try anything or keep me alive
If you can afford to fly an airplane, you can afford an iPad. If you are spending 5-6 figures on an airplane, you can afford a couple grand to install an artificial horizon. Why FAA won’t mandate safe practices in Part 91 is beyond me.
Still remember that scary feeling when my instructor demonstrated actual IMC and we entered clouds for few minutes. Having done many IFR hours in PC simulators and being quite confident while flying simulated IMC in glasses, I was still startled by that "milk" outside the glass. My brain somehow went crazy.
Don't underestimate that danger, and without artificial horizon I'd no way be any close to the clouds.
Agreed, something about clouds coming straight at your windows makes me feel like I'm hitting a brick wall lol.
My instructor did that as a joke. He's now revoked and unemployed for violating the regs.
Excellent video. Life expectency for private pilots who fly into IMC drops drastically. Content like this will save lives.
Only if non rated pilots stop flying into IMC. Knowing and doing are two different scenarios
Cheers
@@tomdavis3038The rates of VFR pilots and IFR rated pilots crashing in IMC are about equal. You heard that right.
Yes, and I'm talking about pilots that have a current and valid IR (A) rating in the license printed.
*Remember* having an IR-Rating and flying IFR flight plans on a daily basis is still NOT the same as flying in actual HARD IMC-IFR with
- absolutely no ground sight
- absolutely no visibility
- thick Clouds and fog rolling in and moving giving you the impression the the horizon is tilting (while in reality it's not)
Many Instrument rated pilots even fly IFR flightplans and ILS approachs on a regular intervals and still crash for the exact same reason as VFR pilots.
The explanation is simple:
On paper they fly IFR, while in reality they fly the IFR flight with
- the ground being (at least partially) visible
- the horizon being (at least partially) visible
- the training is only done with goggles or the famous hood, with the horizon still being slightly visible in your peripheral vision left and right outside of the hood.
So in reality on paper they all fly IFR and all of them boast *how much instrument experience they have*, while in reality basically *all of their instrument experience happens in VMC, extremely marginal VMC* or IMC with some visible cues being still visible.
So when they suddenly hit the real hard IMC with
- absolutely no outside cues
- without any reference
- without any ground sight
and
- with clouds, fog and rain moving in
1. They loose all bearings, stop trusting their instruments on start trusting their inner ear again
2. vertigo and somagraphic and spatial illusion sets in
*--->The graveyard spiral starts*
IR rating and IFR flight plans are totally useless you fly hard IMC including Go arounds in Hard IMC at regular intervals.
Even Professional Airline Pilot's with the ATPL and their IR rating fall victim to it every now and then.
Remember
IR Rating
IFR Flightplans and
Hard IMC belong to one another, but they are not always the same thing ☝🏻
The more of your instrument time is done under hard IMC if possible also with go arounds done because the runway stayed completely hidden the better your REAL IFR flying skills will be. And the more ILS approaches you do with the airport being visible at 10 miles distance, the more useless that ILS approach is for you "Instrument" time
That first actual imc experience is a real eye opener after training for hours under the hood. The thought of going in without an AI, HI, or TC is terrifying.
Holy shit, this is scarry. I never flied airplane without attitude indicator but this video shows extremely realistic scenario for VFR into IMC. It feels like it can happen to me too.
"R for raise" (and presumably "L for lower") - why have I never heard that before?!?
Great video. For anyone interested in this, please checkout the AOPA case studies for IMCs. Its well worth the time to learn from the (sometimes deadly) mistake of others.
Dog when you gonna have a commercial ground school? Your content is top tier.
We’ve been working hard on it. Should be out in a few months!
Thank you for this video.
Love these videos! keep up the good work! :)
2:20 plenty of visibility to visually execute a 180deg turn, still time to turn around at that point.
Hey Dan. If I had the money, I’d definitely buy the all of your courses, not to use them, but to support you. You spend so much time making, editing these professional videos for us to learn. I’m writing this comment to support you instead.
Your kind words are more than enough support to help keep us going. Thanks!
Awesome vid/visual..great advice.
Thank you !
Can you please, explain PBN and Complex PBN?
I don’t understand why some pilots can’t fly in clouds. That’s like saying that some drivers can’t drive on four-lane highways, or some drivers can’t drive in rain. Why would a pilot start out on a long trip knowing he’s handicapped and capable only of flying on days perfectly suited for a Sunday school picnic? Is there something lacking in their training?
So cool, just because I fly out of Winchester!
That was scary event watching it…
I fly IFR...I Follow Roads!
Would you consider Flight Simulator 2020 a reputable sim for studying? When I'm not flying?
Why not just mandate that ALL aircraft have all the instrumentation necessary to make a safe flight?
Because that equipment is very expensive and not every private operator can afford it. A requirement for all that expensive equipment on every aircraft would crater aviation at the entry level and exacerbate the massive pilot shortage we are now experiencing.
Uff scary…
Another very old trick in this situation is to use a necklace or string as a pendulum, gravity would pull it down and let you know if you are banking. Helpful, but almost useless in turbulence.
That doesn't work if you coordinate turns
@@AndreiDorofeev without instruments or visual reference, you will not be very coordinated and can easily end up on a 90° turn towards the ground, I don’t know, I would try anything or keep me alive
@@thevene fact
Don’t all aircraft need to have artificial horizons?
No, not required for VFR flight
If you can afford to fly an airplane, you can afford an iPad. If you are spending 5-6 figures on an airplane, you can afford a couple grand to install an artificial horizon. Why FAA won’t mandate safe practices in Part 91 is beyond me.