STILL BEST HOME STUDIO MIXER?! | Yamaha MG12XU / MICROPHONE PREAMP TEST and Quality Build Revisit
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- 2 Years ago I voted the Yamaha MG12XU the best home studio mixer anyone could get. The Yamaha MG12XU delivered amazing sounding preamps on a variety of microphone tests and plenty of audio routing to fit anyone's needs. The only downside was that it did not offer independent 4 microphone inputs. So how is the Yamaha MG12XU holding up 2 years later, let's find out.
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What audio interface do you use? What do you think is better?
A viewer just sent me the Behringer X1204 USB. Only 2 days of learning to use it ^^
I don't think it has enough power to drive the SM7B, but it's damn near identical (functions) to your Yamaha !
@@asfodhell Yeah should be identical, mixer are mixers. Happy Mixing!!
What do you think of mackie fx Pro which comes in with a blender knob
Behringer UMC 1820 I’m never turning back
High!! I would like to ask if this mg12xu can record multi track?
I surprised my hubby with this one for his Voice work and for his D&D DM stuff. Naturally he's going nuts with the voice effects for his friends.... I can't stop smiling at hearing his inner kiddo come to the surface for all his character voices he does.
Nice video, I’ve had mine for 4 years. Easiest way to keep it dust free..... cover it with a microfiber cloth when not in use. It really is that simple.
You didn't mention anything about the USB!
I ordered a Yamaha MG10XU (so the smaller one) yesterday.
What a nice video to stumble upon! Thanks for your feedback.
Glad to help!
I also bought MG10XU YAMAHA.
too good. But i find the recording volume output too low.
Any advice please
@@jhavinayak07 return it and get a mackie profx v3
Two years passed and I still want this mixer, thanks to you, and the sm7b. Keep bringing up more videos, your content is great. Greetings from Portugal on the other side of the lake.
Thank you man, I will!!
@@LoKnows Would you consider trying out the Electrovoice Re320 with your MG12XU? And with a cloudlifter for a comparison? I'm really curious about that mic as well. Cheers
The newer 700 is literally famous now!!! I actually wanna try one.
Hahah, yeah it is. If you are not actually using. I think it became a $20 mic that most people just keep in the background now to compare to their upgrades mics. #humblebeginings
This device works as my audio interface por my PC, i feel like is complete overkill and i´ve considered replacing it, but i always back out at the end, is a beast of a machine
If your mixer is dusty, you need to cover your mixer when not in use. You can use a soft case or a towel or anything to prevent dust. When you have dust built up, use a soft painters brush to brush dust away from any holes it can get into the mixer. Then use a microfiber cloth to clean anything left over.
That’s why you get the Mackie vlz4 series. Built like a tank, works forever, highest quality, and no dust can get inside anywhere. This mixer he’s reviewing is probably a great mixer too but Mackie is the Rolls Royce of mixers. This is universally known.
It's also a great mixer for streaming. Connect your mics/instruments to the input channels. Your PC audio in/out to the dedicated digital USB channel. Set your busses and effects. Set OBS to recognize the builtin digital connection. And you're good to go with a great sounding quality mixer, and control all the levels with the faders. I like using my PC audio sources as a digital input into the mixer, mics and instruments into their channels, mix it all and send it back into the PC via analog connection (for a more natural warmer analog sound out to the stream audience).
I got an old MG 12/4, same with mine..preamps and circuitry are whisper quiet, surgical eq. i prefer them to the motu 828, 8pre and behringer fca1616, on some mics and instruments. I love the high pass button, just rolls off the mud of dynamic mics..even cheaper mics sound good..i especially love the pres on nylon string guitar and my voice. Have my monitors connected through the yamaha. Its indestructible, and buttons still all work. Like a swiss army knife, that i just could not do without. The only reason i would ever part with it is is to get a newer version with effects. Nice vid.
Thanks for good review. I own one and am still finding new aspects of use a d application.
I know right, so glad I got it.
...just bought this unit, new...here's hoping I get the same longevity! Tanks!
the SM7B does not use, nor require phantom power. its a Dynamic microphone. if you enable phantom power it literally will igonore its even on.
if you run a cloudlifter or fethead or other mic "activator" you would then enable Phantom power and it would add a certain amount of clean gain from the phantom power.
again.. the SM7b DOES NOT require phantom power. it is a gain hungry mic, and you may need a cloudlifter. but not all the time. if you can get about 60-70db of clean gain from your mixer/audio interface, to the sm7b, you shouldnt need a cloudlifter at all.
Also. running the SM7b from the mg12xu and 10xu's usb is when you need the cloudlifter. if you ran from one of the monitor outs to a line in on your pc and checked the mic level with that gain in this video.. it'd clip for sure.. and hurt if you have headphones on. the USB on these mixers arent the greatest at all.
Good demo. You have a nice dead room, but I'm hearing a lot of sssses on every mic. I would suggest taming the higher frequencies a bit on either pre or post. Just a suggestion.
I've had this Mixer for quite some years now, and it still works like brand new.
The only thing thats a -con is that it only have 1 live interface connected through the usb, so its not possible to assign it to each individual Mixer Track within a DAW.
I would however buy along the UR824 Audio Interface with its 8x8 connections, because the Pre-Amps are identical you won't experience any change of audio whenever you're doing a cross-over :-)
One could buy a cheaper Interface and get even more inputs & outputs, but if you already have this Yamaha Mixer, then you wouldn't have to worry about fluctuations on the sound.
Not that it's a perfect fix, but you can record two tracks at once. Left and right. Pan one instrument to left and the other to right and use mono, not stereo in the DAW.
Did you find that the compression worked as well on wireless mics as it did on wired ones?
Hi, I'm thinking of buying one of these machines, I need to know how it works with analog compressors (like a 1176 for example), reverbs, delays, eq's, blah blah blah. You know, getting a mix in my home studio in 2023, but the way it was done before. My other question is if it works well as an audio interface or if I need to connect it to a focusrite or a tascam (which are the interfaces I currently have). and last but not least is... ask yourself if when I move the faders, they move in the daw (whether it's reaper or pro tools that I currently use), I want to buy something of quality, that lasts, and that doesn't have to complain about anything, and from the facial expressions during the video, except for the dirt theme, I don't think you are disappointed with the yamaha at all. greetings from Argentina! new follower from today!
Good vid bro.
Much better without the backing track.
Keep them coming.
As I said on my last comments I ordered this from Amazon from your last vid.
Yamaha should be paying you
thanks for the tutorial .... and i appreciate if you made the feature some tutorial friendly with beginners
Only thing that kept me from picking this up is that it only has 2 usb channels out which is useless for recording a band into a DAW
Thank you for your video! I got the Shure SM7B and a dbx286s + goxlr, and I have a Avalon VT-737SP on the way, (because of you!) haha :)
Man, that is a serious collection your building up. What do you use it for?
@@LoKnows I really only play games, but I like to have a really good sound too! I think the avalon has a warmer sound than the dbx, so I thought to plug in the GoXLR and use it for the effects as well as the sliders, then I thought to use the expander / gate from the DBX, and then the preamp + EQ from the avalon
, I might get rid of the dbx, and use the expander / gate from the Goxlr
, but would you recommend a cloudlifter to the SM7B into the Avalon? :)
Mortal Steel 100% yes. But not to make you sound better but to protect your Avalon. I did a video on using the SM7b on the Avalon with and without a cloud lifter, and while I can’t guarantee it was the SM7b or the tubes dying in the Avalon, my Avalon has not been the same since then. I wouldn’t feel comfortable pushing the preamps situation hard on the Avalon for the SM7b.
U rock brother. Keep up the good word...u saved me money
Awesome vid Lo, you seriously deserve more eyeballs on your vids, been watching you with my other channel for good few years now i bought my Yamaha MG10XU cos of you haha and use it with my DGX 286s it's awesome have a good one and #StaySafe bro 😎👊
Thanks man! Glad you are enjoying the mixer. I think it’s funny how we are all moving to a multiple TH-cam account life. 😂
Thanks man! Glad you are enjoying the mixer. I think it’s funny how we are all moving to a multiple TH-cam account life. 😂
@@LoKnows Totally man :)
Thanks dude!
I am going for a bigger one.👌
I just love big stuff😉
I'm sold bro. I was gonna get the 10xuf but I've decided to get this for later use if I ever gonna get super into it. Plus I just ordered the at4040 =-). So happy =-)))))
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Thanks Buddy! very informative
I love it but I have to stick to what I have because of size.
VERY NICE VIDEO. YOU ARE A PRO THANK YOU VOOR THE VIDEO.
Many thanks!
Np
Ey man. Have you found out if you could really record the channels independently on a DAW?
Very good review! Can you please tell me a little more about that Arylic Bluetooth amp? How is it connected from the mixer to the amp itself? Does it serve any other purposes?
Helpful. Subscribed. Best of luck.
Why do you use a separate audio interface? Is the mixer's built-in one bad?
So when I originally got it that was the idea. But for some weird reason, the mixer would play at 48hz in protools the when I would go to windows it would play 44.1hz and cause a weird slow down effect. I would try to match it but it would always cause some kind of weird error. I’m guessing it’s protools. They are pretty finicky when it comes to hardware and their hardware. But in the end I’m happy with how it need you. It actually gives me more flexibility to have it separate.
@ToyKeeper the built in audio interface is compatible with Steinberg so there are no worries about whether the interface is kosher or not.
Brother, what do you think of the yamaha Mg10xu, is it good for home studio? Does it also reduce background noise?
Same preamps just missing a couple of channels and knobs compared to the 12xu
Great follow up review! I’ve been using the same mixer now for 4 years and it has held up wonderfully like you said. So do you use the built-in usb input at all? I didn’t think of connected it via a separate interface. What is the reason you do it that way?
How would you compare the sound quality of this vs an audient interface like the id14
weird comparison
Very good review sir!!
What is the M Box model are you using? Can you suggest for our Church nice M Box?
How many channels can you see in DAW? As an audio interface? My old Mackie 1220i has 12 ins and 2 outs
Just 2
@@LoKnows I’m going to get Mackie Onyx 16. It is basically the same unit , but upgraded
I purchaced the yamaha mg12xu . and i like the unit, there is one thing i am having troble with the usb cable is their a particular cable i need to buy for this unit. i had 2 printer cable and of them is a very nice an thik one , neither of them seem to work . happen to had purchced a beringer 404 just in case my linux operating system did not work with yamaha , but it did work fine only using the beringers usb cable , i dont wont to keep the beringer just for the cable , and the question is , did you have any issues with your usb cable and if you did , what was your solution , your before ans after , yamaha purchce where great , and because of the videos i got my yamaha keep up the good work
the Sennheiser seems to sound better on the Avalon. I hear some crackling in general coming from the Yamaha. Is some of that dust getting into the Yamaha? A dust cover might help when not in use. Thank you for the update.
Right. Wish they'd do a 4-out 4-in USB model.
I'm still wondering how to manage the cables of a live video studio. Just a spider web.
Hi, I just got MG12XU. I want to use it for Karaoke singing in Zoom. Before buying this, I was just using an audio interface Scarlett 2i2 for karaoke singing in zoom but that does not have delay or reverb. The voice was very flat. Now I got this MG12XU, how do I set up for Zoom with karaoke? Do you have written setup instructions or TH-cam link? I really appreciate if your guidance, please.
Absolutely sensational review I'll be upgrading to the MGX12 very soon because my new Lenovo ThinkPad doesn't have headphones Jack input. I also use the NW800 Neewer microphone I'm very impressed with audio quality especially when running my radio station. By the way you have a new subscriber very impressed with your professionalism.
Hi. Are you still using this mixer? If so, could you show me in a tutorial how to connect your audio interface with the mixer? To see the leads, so i know which ones to buy.
Also i was going to ask if this mixer can run two pairs/four monitors?
I preffered the Yamaha without the Avalon pre on the MKH416. Question, do you like the sound the MKH416 gives when you are off axis? Or was that an oversight?
Wow this neumann mic sound best. For me Its like skoda vs Porsche(neumann)
If I'm broadcasting a radio show frim my home using a shure SM58 mic with the preamp give me good clean vocals with little yo no hiss....?
I have had this mixer for about 6 months and very happy with the results. The only problem I have is that the mixer has no inserts so that I can connect an external compressor. Have you any ideas how you could connect an external compressor to a single (vocal) or stereo ( my IPad) channel.
Hey, so i bought this mixer a couple weeks ago and im impressed, its fantastic technically. BUT i have a lot of issues with the drivers, sometimes i have audio dropouts every couple seconds and sometimes it works perfectly. Its driving me crazy actually... So is you can please help me somehow, I would really appreciate it.
Did you download the updated drivers on the Yamaha website?
What I do notget is that the preamp is listed as 64db but with a SM7B it requires the knob to be all the way clockwise whereas my 60dB required the 4 O'clock position and the 55dB requires full clockwise. Makes me wonder if Yamaha fudged the numbers by 9db?
I have this and it's excellent but how to connect in taking external phone calls or is it better to by the rode caster pro for that?
Do you have a video showing your setup from a connection perspective? I'm trying to follow in the video but it is a little difficult. I have the Yamaha 12 also connecting to my Apollo Twin with the Twinfinity 710.
That burgundy foam you have in the booth what brand is that the color is clean as hell
Good video. You deserve more subs!
Question: I'm new to mixer world. You said 4 mic input shares one stereo output. How about the audio from computer (like skype or youtube in browser), are they sharing one stereo output as well with the mics?
only downside i see with the mixer thats a problem for some people is that it doesnt come with a power nor usb cable but luckily the power cable is like 10$ usb b cable is 9$
How many DB’s of gain does this mixer have?
Flat.
I get my Shure SM7B today or tomorrow.
Maybe i will get this Mixer becouse of your review.
Thank you for your thoughts !
Best regards,
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I still have a studiomaster 1208. Cannot find a mixer with better sound
So, Is it possible to play the playback coming from Ableton by USB, and at the same time during the same session, record on Ableton the master track of the mixer?
Wonderful video! Is it possible to overdub using this mixer? I have been using the Behringer Q502USB and in order for me to simultaneously hear myself and the tracks I've recorded, I have to loop rca cables with the Phones button engaged.
Cheers!
Hey is this a good live on stage mixer?
thank you for the video! So, I have a question, if I have my monitors connected, but also I want to do some pre listening of a channel, when I turn the knob of the monitor/phone, both volumes will change? there is a way to control separately the volume of the monitors and the volume of the phone (pre listening). Thank you!
I also have the Yamaha Mg12xu I bought it just about $300 but mine is made in Malaysia is it ok?.. how about yours?
I saw your original review back then, good to see that it holds long time. Can the MG12 to record voiceovers?? The thing is that I have budget for either an interface or mixer.., I do voiceovers, but I also have 2 Podcast going on, I recorded the Podcasts with the interface I had, but well, the experience is kind of difficult, cause I don't know how to do real time plug ins for live podcast, I was planning on buying a mixer and my interface thought it was a good time to break itself XD
Now I don't know what to buy, cause I make more income from voice overs and the Podcasts I have them to keep my voice out and for some clients I have.., I don't know much about sound engineering, and I was said that if I buy a mixer I still need an interface to go through before the computer...,
I was wondering if I buy the MG12 to keep the Podcasts on, and be able to do it live also.., and still be able to do voice overs, until I can buy additional equipment.
So this mixer does act like an interface. It does work with software like protools and Adobe Audition. You have that option, but in the future let’s say you want a dedicated audio interface because maybe it offers plugins that are exclusive to that interface, you can at least connect the mixer to the interface. Now, podcast, the mixer is perfect for podcast since you have the 4 mic inputs and compression for each mic Input
hey i got a question how i pllug in my condensor mic and then i plug in my dynamic mic on the same time in the mixer? because you know a condensor mic need a phantom power but others mic doesn't need a phantom power.. so how can i fix that??
If you are mixing condenser and dynamics, most dynamics will ignore the phantom power and work fine. I have use an AT2035 with a Sennheiser e835 and the cheap Behringer XM8500. No problems.
Is the DAW mic input now recognize all of the mixer inputs now?
what driver did you download for that mg12xu?
HI :) I dont know if you read these but if you do :) did you ever find a way to get 3- tracks out of the thing? Like adding a couple USB scarlets etc? I love mine for pre-recorded podcast but I need separate tracks LOL thanks for your videos
Podrías hacer un tutorial como conectas tus monitores y a su al pc..Saludos..
Hi I am a mobile dj and my Yamaha MG12XU is connected to my controller. How do I connect a video recorder so that I get video snd audio? Thanks
Hi - Great video. I have owned the Yamaha MG10XU for about 4 years and used it both live with my solo act and everyday in my small home studio when locked down. I opted for the tilt bracket underneath that is fastened to a low level upright mic stand which allows for less clutter on my desk. I am considering purchasing the MG12XU just for my live work. I run a Sennheiser MKE600 (the best I could afford at the time) into input 1. I must admit to being a tad disappointed with the sensitivity of the mic after watching all the YT reviews. I now have an inline booster from fethead that has sure boosted the gain but some noise floor with it. Maybe I should save up for the Senn 416 but that's a lot of investment just for a hobby. Any suggestions?.....
Hi, do you have setup video or instructions for zoom with karaoke singing thru MG12XU?
Thank you
Great vid! I have a question. The mixer I'm currently using sends audio through my USB to my PC for capture. Unfortunately, it doesn't allow me to set levels on my monitors, separate of what's being captured. So if I wanted to hear one input through my speakers, but not send through for capture, it doesn't let me. Is this possible with this mixer? Can I have different levels for monitoring, and different levels "sent"?
Yes, it has independent volume controls for Line out, Monitor out and even headphones
Is yours the USB powered version or not? What would be the pros and cons for either or? I want to purchase this because I use two Macbook Pros but have one pair of monitors. Ideally, I'd want a mixer to bridge both laptops from both of their respective Focusrite Scarletts to communicate with the mixer that'll be connected to the monitor speakers. But I feel the USB powered version will fall dependent on whichever laptop it's connected to, yet I read somewhere the USB version has more features and is the preferred version to purchase. HELP WANTED PLEASE!!!
I have a guitar, midi keyboard, regular keyboard and a dynamic mic and I connect all of them except the midi through the line/xlr channels. But I am not able to get the regular input signals on my laptop ( reaper and bitwig). Can I use the MG12XU as separate audio interface, without using the Focusrite interface?
Hi, always go to your site to learn more - Thank you!!! - i plug my compressor mic to line 1(all good) - i plug my Acustic guitar to line 2 (i can hear clearly via headphones BUT when we go live on youtube via OBS to Acustic guitar sounds does not come through - you can hear it, but like if its not connected at all, super flat - im i doing something wrong? help.... keep up the great work!
Please help me bro which one is best Yamaha mg12 xu or soundcraft signature 12 mtk ? Thank you. Please respond.
My Sound raft Compact 4 still going after 12 years,never turn it off either,only a switch dodgy and right led metre half working,I think quality control is worse through the years.
HI,i have a question about the output of this mixer:i have the model MG10XUF,but i think they both have the same behaviour about this;If i have plugged at the same time the stereo out and the phones and if i want to listen to something only through the phones i cannot do it cause when i lower the volume of the master out (with the stereo fader), the volume of the phones is lowered too. Am i making some mistake or it is how the mixer works ? Thank you
That’s weird you don’t have a separate volume knob for the headphones and monitors?
Just took a look at the picture for your mixer. I would say try connecting your speakers to the stereo out instead of the monitors at the top. Then make sure you have the stereo button pushed in on the monitor/phones dial so it’s sharing the stereo out signal. Now you should be able to turn the monitor/phones dial up and the stereo dial down and only hear through the headphones. Hope that works, let me know if it does.
First of all,thank you for replying. Unfortunately I had already connected my speakers to the stereo out (that's where my issue comes from) and what you called stereo button on the monitor/phones dial is actually a stereo mute button (when pushed it doesn't route the stereo output into the monitor/phones output too). So it seems that i can listen to some music or whatever sound it is from the stereo out and not from the monitor/phones out but i cannot do the opposite (listening audio from phones and not from stereo out cause when i lower my stereo out fader also the phones output is lowered).
I'd love a MG08XUF version, the 10 is a bit to large for me and the MG06 is to small...
Are you able to output the aux sends in stereo?
Could you connect a transmitter to the MG12XU?
hello, I have problem with my mg12xu when I do the vocals recording by using this mixer, the problem is the wave signal of my voice in the DAW is too low. but I already boost all the gain and fader until it reach the peak. but still, wave for my vocals is still low. can you please help me to overcome this problem? tell me how you setup your mixer, daw etc.
Done
What do you recommend for doing animation voice over videos?
why do you use m audio box to computer does the xu not go into daw
Would you recommend this mixer for mobile djs?
Yeah man. I’ve seen some pretty badly mixers when doing video work at gigs. Even though I don’t use it for dj’ng even I could see they could benefit from the beater they have. But the final decision is yours
Yeah man. I’ve seen some pretty badly mixers when doing video work at gigs. Even though I don’t use it for dj’ng even I could see they could benefit from the beater they have. But the final decision is yours
@@LoKnows whats a beater?
Basicly, most djs have separate dj gear like 2 cd/mp3 players & a dj mixer.
The yamaha mixer could be used for extra gear or plugin a couple of mics for a singing band.
Thats what i was wondering.
@@djchakir Hahah, sorry, a beater, is something you have used FOREVER!!! It's gone through everything with you and has been beat up over the years of use. That's what I meant. I've seen a lot of DJs using mixers in their set up but every time I see them using them its been OLD beat up mixers that sound rough, especially on the mic, if they use it. But, if never dj'd before, so the whether you really need it is purely up to you, but if you do decide you need one its totally up to you. Yeah, I several devices connected to it as you suggested. It definitely would be helpful with extra gear and mics.
@@storytimevillage8214 Alright. Thank you. Will definitly check the Yamaha out 👊🏼
Hello there, please help me, does "Yamaha MG12" an USB in...??
Do I need a stabilizer for this mixer to setup for a home studio buddy?
Stabilizer?
@@LoKnows yes buddy...from electric fluctuation in order to protect the mixer or electronic equipments! So for a mixer do I need it for a big time
@@jjmusicals3985 well I’ve had the mixer for over 3 yrs and never had the need for a stabilizer. But if it protects your investment I don’t see why not.
@@LoKnows thank you buddy..😊
Multi track recoding possible in yamaha mg 16 xu
effect works on monitor output?
how do i stop direct monitoring with this mixer? im so confused. :D i keep hearing myself when i talk in my mic
You didn't test the FX, which is very important..
I dont hear much, if any, difference between your onboard preamp and your better one!
there's a USB model of the same mixer so people don't need to connect it to an audio interface.
Hmmm I should’ve been more clearer. This mixer is usb. I just like routing everything through it. Almost like an entertainment center receiver for the man cabe.
@@LoKnows more clearer? nah, I like it dirty and sexy too ;)
@@zezesilver Hahahahah!!
Wow, those mics all sounded the same good quality thanks to the mixer... Which is exactly it's Mission, give the best HQ on every audio channel
I too love the big ones like GREATEST SaWes
. Going for MGP32X and MG10XUF at the same time. MG10XUF is for listening music in bed; while MGP32X for studio. I have already bought MG16XU.
I love MG series mixers for normal use; but hate it for recording job. So, MGP32X is coming in. I call MG series mixers DUCKER. This mixers ducks the signals, so I hate them; you don't need DUCKER that you see in MGP32X mixers to Duck signal. Sparkling sounds are cut off in this MG series mixers, which I hate.
Further, compressor has limited performance. You have to literally turn 300+ degree to get some effect of compression.
SPX DSP are not upto its claim. I like Power Dynamics DSP which are very sweet and sparkling like firecrackers. So, not planning to sell Power Dynamics any more. I'll send FX from Power Dynamics and return it to MG or MGP. Because this mixers have resolution of 192 kHz.
Q/ how do i get the Yamaha MG12XU mixer to play audio to DAW like fl studio i already download the update driver for it and my mic is Audio-Technica at2020...i can see the meter level on the mixer is working..msg back asap tnx
i cant see my mic input to the mixer like it suppose to show
Any advice fro recording two separate tracks in OBS?
Go analog and don't use the USB
@@nevoyu wish I could ~~ thanks
I was hoping you will show how the usb connection works. Most of all these reveiws never talk about small things. Just sounds only . sorry i dont like your video.
So what are the small things?
@@LoKnows First thanks for a great video. I would like to know if the yamaha mixer can be used as an audio interface through USB. Also you mentioned ch, 5 and 6 sending to the interface. How? and Why? I am very grateful for what you presented here. Many thanks.
Lo Knows Tech I was hoping you would highlight about usb interface. Would have been better a good demonstration. You want to talk about mixer not a sound tutorial. Anyway thanks