The weird thing about Zhaban dying off screen is that they still didn't really go anywhere with Laris and Picard, and she was also dropped for the most part.
Just like Elizabeth Sladen in The Sarah Jane Adventures. Except that they decided to end SJA because Sladen played the main character and they decided not to re-cast.
I don't recall them ever establishing that Cutler had died. I thought she just stopped getting screen time (obviously due to Kellie Waymire passing away). According to Memory Alpha which doesn't list the character as deceased, there was some discussion about acknowledging Waymire passing away,, but I don't recall them ever saying anything in the show about Cutler's death.
Spock died 3 times, In Wrath of Khan, with the Romulan supernova (for the original Star Trek Timeline) and the saddest of all, off screen in the Kelvin Timeline when Leonard Nimoy died
Well, from a prime universe point of view, he went missing, presumably dead, with the Supernova. But he clearly did not die there, as he was sent to the past.
One of the off-screen deaths that gave me shivers was Sito Jaxa's. You could also say that "no body, no death" with this one... even if I think that it would undermine her death and the reaction of Picard and the Enterprise's crew...
Yes yes yes!!! I even wrote a story of her being liberated by Romulan forces at the end of the Dominion War and then held by them after till freed by the Federation wish I still had it ugggh
I am a fan of mirror universe stories and I enjoyed the first season of Discovery. However, my one major complaint is that the Lorca story was resolved too quickly. I hope the Section 31 story might bring it back around.
The mirror universe was full of off-screen deaths I tell you. Spock, Pike, Sisko, Jadzia, possibly Voq and Sarek though we don’t know for sure. So many There’s a few I kinda wanna bring back in my fanfics I’m planning via some good ol no body no death or intervention of the Prophets
Jem'Hadar are so anally retentive they cannot sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture... or nearby beings. As Weyoun 5 found out. (Fun reference from Ab Fab)
In the case of Prime Spock, its just using his birth and death according to the time in that universe, yet he was tossed back in time so his age would be misrepresented by that time stamp.
That "no relation" moment with Duncan Rillak took me all the way back to Babs and Buster Bunny's in unison "NO RELATION!" from the opening credits of "Tiny Toon Adventures" back in the early 90s. Ah, to be a kid again, growing up watching TNG and Tiny Toons.
Well the thing with Krajenski is, an ambassador is a rather high-priority target. We also saw one shpeshifter impersonate O'Brien during the Homefront-arc, to just tell him how much of a chaos fear can do. But O'Brien was not even in danger at that time. An ambassador is something far different. If someone found him, they'd quickly know that there is some other Krajensky somewhere. And while their means of exfiltration are obviously quite good, given that they managed to switch not only Julian Bashir (a lowly medical officer on some remote dingbat station), but also the General-in-Chief on the Klingon Empire (a highly militaristic nation) and the chief of the Obsidian Order of Cardassia (a super-secret service organisation), I think that this shapeshifter just went the safest route and vaporised Krajensky. I mean as far as we can tell, the shapeshifters clearly stated "No changeling ever kille another changeling". So solids were not part of that deal....
I was expecting Trip Tucker to be Number 1! We only saw him die in a holo deck story. If holodeck stories are as unreliable as Hollywood movies that are “based on a true story,” the No body, No Death. Trip survived!!!
We saw a shuttle explode but there's no proof Ro Laren was still on it when it did. (She is alive and well having used her Starfleet Advanced Tactical Training to get off the shuttle before it exploded!)
13:50 So any super Trekkies here understand the Star Date system used in this clip? I’m assuming he was older than 32.96 years old since Vulcans are very long lived compared to Humans. According to this clip Spock was born on Star 💫 date 2230.06 and died on SD 2263.02 a difference of 32.96 Star dates ?? There must be a Galactic version of Zulu/GMT Space time zone that keeps track of the passage of time relative to some reference point such as Earth 🌎. Your thoughts 💭 🤔?
Honestly I'm fine with Spock dying off screen. We've already seen him die in the wrath of Kahn. And I know Leonard nemoi passed away is also the reason why but still.
And its not the worst thing to be able to imagine someone passing away in their sleep, surrounded by friends/family (even if, in Spock's case, it's a little odd- I mean, he'd likely be taken into Sarek's household on New Vulcan... which does present some interesting questions/situations)
Marla also got a sort of death scene in the trilogy of novels "The rise and fall of Khan Noonien Singh" (I and II) and "To Reign in Hell", all by Greg Cox.... OK, it's mainly the latter, but it's a good filler for both the Eugenics War (in the 1990s as originally told) and the gap on CETI ALPHA FIVE! between Space Seed and The Wrath of KHAAAAAAN! (Puns very much intended!)
Yes, because Sarek was married to Perrin in TNG. He was married twice that we know of and Spock confirmed in SNW that Sybok's birth was "out of wedlock".
BTW Prime Lorca was in STO and the Drastic Measures Novel....And he is a surprisingly good captain. It would have been cool if we had actually got Prime Lorca as captain.
Zhaban was a pointless "death" since they rather ignored Laris herself for s2 and forgot about her in s3. And s1 had brother-sister incest implied to be not uncommon is Romulan society, so Zhaban was killed just for the audience (not actual *fans*) who didn't want to think about Picard being in an MFM throuple.
Awesomeness. I think that if we (I) had seen another "Weyoun" in what ever form we would have gone nuts....I was kida tired of always seeing Weyoun there, backgound in front of or behind always there. I was so happy when Garik shot him , the female shapeshifter said "He was the last" I yelled Yes......
Knowing the Mirror Universe as well as we do by now, I definitely think it's most likely that Lorca killed his Prime counterpart and replaced him once he realized he had gotten stuck there. It still begs the question of what Prime Lorca must have been like and how similar they were to each other, since Mirror was apparantly able to play him convincingly for quite some time.
Was still alive. She returned in season 3 of Star Picard. Only to be killed in the same episode, she returned in. She died at the end to give Picard, Riker, and the crew of the U.S.S. Titan to get away from Changeling infiltraters that were on the Starfleet ship that brought her to them earlier in the episode. Picard was angry at first when seeing her again due to her joining the Maquis back in the Next Generation, but after talking to her and that she also knew Changeling had infiltrated Starfleet and she didn'twant to use the transporters but used a shuttle to get on the Titan, he became less angry with her and was willing to work with her again. Only to be sad when she sacrificed herself by crashing her shuttle into the other ship when her escorts turned out to be Changeling, who planted an explosive device on her shuttle before they beamed back to the Titan to try and capture Jack Crusher. Picard and Beverly Crusher' son. In the next episode, Picard and Riker are contacted by Worf due to a hidden comunicater in Ro's Bajoran earing that she handed to Picard before her death. She was working with Worf to find out who was planning an attack on the Federation.
Anyone notice that Spock life span is from 2230.6 - 2263.2???? He would have been just under 33 years old. Production should have noticed and made the date of birth 2030 at least he would have the average Vulcan lifespan
Thank you. Someone who actually feels the same way I do. I keep seeing all these people who are praising Ezri but in general I just found her to be a ditzy bimbo and not worthy of the Dax Symbian. By far her best episode was the one where she worked with Juran to Track down the Vulcan murderer
@@amandamatheny3675 Yes technically you see the final blow but even in that scene it doesn’t give off the feeling that she’s dead. It isn’t until you hear she died in transport that her death is confirmed and they had to transfer the Dax symbiote to a ditzy woman who they try and force her into everything in season 7! She’s the worst.
But they didn't really know about the wormhole in the Savage Universe. It only opened when Bashir and Kira arrived and then escaped. It's likely that the evil Kira and Bariel were looking to steal the orb from the Prime Universe in "Resurrection" in hopes of getting the Celestial Temple open on their side.
I'm still so, SO angry about Zhaban. I can understand that the actor had a better offer with Wednesday and good for him, I liked him there, too. But ... one doesn't have to kill of a character just because the actor can't be there for f's sake! And sorry, but Laris/Picard not only had no chemistry, they also completely underused her. (Only to, let's be honest, make Picard run back to Beverly, bc Laris was moving to a different planet in the beginning of S3 and clearly, Picard didn't go with her.) They should've kept the possibility open to them to one day make a Laris/Zhaban comedy-ish thing, bc those two were GOLD together.
I mean, at least Hoshi then got ... 110 or so years old? Sad that she died this way, and may Kodos rot in whatever fictional bad afterlife Trek might have, but ... She at least lived a long life.
I'm kinda glad they didn't kill Spock on-screen again. I don't think I could've gone through that another time. Still to this day I try not to watch Wrath of Khan at all. (Well, I also think the movie sucks and just didn't fit with the former characterisation of Khan that I actually enjoyed. But I know that's an unpopular opinion and I'm good with being pretty much alone in this.) Anyway, losing Spock a second time on-screen would've been just a bit too hard. 4/4
I had no issues with Capt. Gabriel Lorca. Mirror Universe counterpart or not, he was the sort of CO a Federation at war would need. Fans resent Capt. Jellico, but he, like Jim Kirk or even Lorca, Understood and Appreciated the need for Starfleet to have and retain a Military role, as proved during the Dominion War. Something those who naively think that diplomacy solves Everything would never appreciate, though in real life, such an attitude proved nearly fatal (ie: Brit Prime Minister Chamberlain naively thinking the Nazis can be reasoned with, and yakking on about 'Peace, peace in our time).'
Yes; in the Prime Timeline- but when he was universe hopped in 2387 while trying to stop the Hobus Event/Romulan Supernova, he went back to the TOS era in the Kelvin universe.
I'd never read Hoshi's death details. The idea that it was Kodos . . . well, at least he paid for it. By my rough estimates, Hoshi would have been in her 90s when it happened. In one of the Discovery novels, the Shenzhou and the Buran responded to the distress calls from Tarsus IV, and Prime Lorca hunted Kodos down to his hideout and apprehended him, though he was livid when Kodos was allowed to go into hiding under a new name. It was a good novel. And yeah, I always shed a tear for Sarek. Such a foundational character in Trek lore. And James Frain was a much better Sarek than Ben Cross. When Spock was acknowledged in Discovery's "Unifcation III", I couldn't keep a big smile and a tear off my face.
B4 is revealed to have not accepted the memory transfer from Data, which shut him down. In a way that means Data died twice, then Picard pulled the plug on him, and then he returned as a new Data…and Lore, and B4 and Dr. Soong’s son.
They killed off Zhaban to explore Picard's relationship with Laris to then not explore Picard's relationship with Laris at all.
The finale, and most of the last season, was like “Laris who?”
The weird thing about Zhaban dying off screen is that they still didn't really go anywhere with Laris and Picard, and she was also dropped for the most part.
Crewman Cutler's death off screen in Enterprise hurts when you find out the actress passed away during the shows run.
Just like Elizabeth Sladen in The Sarah Jane Adventures. Except that they decided to end SJA because Sladen played the main character and they decided not to re-cast.
I don't recall them ever establishing that Cutler had died. I thought she just stopped getting screen time (obviously due to Kellie Waymire passing away). According to Memory Alpha which doesn't list the character as deceased, there was some discussion about acknowledging Waymire passing away,, but I don't recall them ever saying anything in the show about Cutler's death.
@@vic5015there would be no replacing Sarah Jane Smith, Elisabeth sladen was her to the core, she was the bridge between the two greatest doctors
@rutgersplague4595 still, RTD has said he wished he did something different. Don't know if he ever elaborate in that.
Since Discovery takes place in the distant future - almost every Star Trek character has died off screen.
What a lovely thought
@@derrynfry - Blame the writers, not me. If I had my way we'd be watching Admiral Janeway on a viewscreen, but nope, they killed her.
@@JohnnyWednesday i sure hope that's not a spoiler for Prodigy. I haven't seen that series yet.
They died when Discovery first aired...
I'm mostly disappointed they went just a tiny bit too far to meet Dax
Most moving off-screen death: Ens. Sito, TNG S7 "Lower Decks" .
Another forgotten off-screen death: Robert Picard, ST:GEN.
Seriously, I was expecting Robert (and Rene) to be on this list.
I started crying as soon as Mariner mentioned her name.
@AlyssaNguyen so the theory that Mariner was one of the children on the Enterprise-D is confirmed then?
Imagine if on SNW they find Prime Lorca abandoned on a planet where evil Lorca put him so he couldn't contact anyone. idk just an idea
The Wrath of Lorca?
Tasha Yar also had 2 deaths,one on screen and the second off, like Spock 🖖🇨🇦
Spock died 3 times, In Wrath of Khan, with the Romulan supernova (for the original Star Trek Timeline) and the saddest of all, off screen in the Kelvin Timeline when Leonard Nimoy died
Well, from a prime universe point of view, he went missing, presumably dead, with the Supernova. But he clearly did not die there, as he was sent to the past.
One of the off-screen deaths that gave me shivers was Sito Jaxa's. You could also say that "no body, no death" with this one... even if I think that it would undermine her death and the reaction of Picard and the Enterprise's crew...
Yes! She definitely should have been on this list.
And Mariner's character as well.
Yes yes yes!!! I even wrote a story of her being liberated by Romulan forces at the end of the Dominion War and then held by them after till freed by the Federation wish I still had it ugggh
@salkoke, I tear up EVERY TIME ST:TNG "Lower Decks" comes on & Capt. Picard announces Sito's death.
@@Sephiroth144
I cried as soon as Mariner mentioned her name.
I admit, I was very confused by the stardates of Spock's life in the thumbnail until I remembered he died in the past. 😅
I am a fan of mirror universe stories and I enjoyed the first season of Discovery. However, my one major complaint is that the Lorca story was resolved too quickly. I hope the Section 31 story might bring it back around.
The mirror universe was full of off-screen deaths I tell you. Spock, Pike, Sisko, Jadzia, possibly Voq and Sarek though we don’t know for sure. So many
There’s a few I kinda wanna bring back in my fanfics I’m planning via some good ol no body no death or intervention of the Prophets
Sito Jaxa should have been on your list!
I'm going to assume that Weyoun 5 was killed in a failed experiment to get a Jem'Hadar to sit down... :P
Jem'Hadar are so anally retentive they cannot sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture... or nearby beings. As Weyoun 5 found out.
(Fun reference from Ab Fab)
In the case of Prime Spock, its just using his birth and death according to the time in that universe, yet he was tossed back in time so his age would be misrepresented by that time stamp.
Yes, but it makes it funnier.
@@Elvisbackpack Good old 200 year old Spock died today after 23 years.
That "no relation" moment with Duncan Rillak took me all the way back to Babs and Buster Bunny's in unison "NO RELATION!" from the opening credits of "Tiny Toon Adventures" back in the early 90s. Ah, to be a kid again, growing up watching TNG and Tiny Toons.
The writers and actors handled the death of Leonard Nimoy, hence, Spock, extremely well. It was a brief but meaningful scene.
"Maybe you should go talk to Worf again " 😂😂😂
lmfao
One of Star Treks funniest moments.....🤣🤣🤣
rest in peace leonard nimoy 🖖
So how come Sito Jaxa showed up in the intro but not on the list itself? I think she deserved a spot.
Well the thing with Krajenski is, an ambassador is a rather high-priority target. We also saw one shpeshifter impersonate O'Brien during the Homefront-arc, to just tell him how much of a chaos fear can do. But O'Brien was not even in danger at that time.
An ambassador is something far different. If someone found him, they'd quickly know that there is some other Krajensky somewhere. And while their means of exfiltration are obviously quite good, given that they managed to switch not only Julian Bashir (a lowly medical officer on some remote dingbat station), but also the General-in-Chief on the Klingon Empire (a highly militaristic nation) and the chief of the Obsidian Order of Cardassia (a super-secret service organisation), I think that this shapeshifter just went the safest route and vaporised Krajensky. I mean as far as we can tell, the shapeshifters clearly stated "No changeling ever kille another changeling". So solids were not part of that deal....
I loved the Lorca character and the twist. Probably my favorite thing about that series.
In the episode, the graphic does not state Hoshi's death was due to Kodos. What you are referring is an alternate image that was not used on screen.
Totally unrelated to Star Trek in general or this video in particular, but sometimes Seán Ferrick’s affirmations are the best part of my day.
I was expecting Trip Tucker to be Number 1! We only saw him die in a holo deck story. If holodeck stories are as unreliable as Hollywood movies that are “based on a true story,” the No body, No Death. Trip survived!!!
This!👆
If someone is going to make another Kelvin timeline movie, I'm pretty sure that the Pavel Chekov of that timeline will be killed off-screen.
I really needed to be told today that I'm incredible. I hope to meet you someday, you have cheered me up so much.
I think You recorded this video some day ago because You reached already 301,000 subscribers! Congrats
The Spock thumbnail should have TWO sets of dates, shouldn't it?
Nah because the death date is for the time traveler Spock, not Spock as a whole entity.
We saw a shuttle explode but there's no proof Ro Laren was still on it when it did. (She is alive and well having used her Starfleet Advanced Tactical Training to get off the shuttle before it exploded!)
Next time you’re both on Irish Romulus, please ask Laris if she ended up with Picard.
Can we just admit that mirror universe Kira was Hot 🔥🔥🔥
Ro Laren is now part of the group "no Body no Death".
What of Sito Jaxa? If Cal Hudson and that ambassador were on this list, she too belongs on it.
The i in McGivers is long. Guess I'm one of the few TOS diehards on here.
I’m one of those few. 😏🖖🏼
Same
That was driving me crazy during the video. mih-GUY-verz. Spock will back me up on this.
Thank you for posting. I rarely watch Whatculture because of things like this. I've shattered enought of my teeth...
Came here to say the same thing 😂😂😂
13:50 So any super Trekkies here understand the Star Date system used in this clip? I’m assuming he was older than 32.96 years old since Vulcans are very long lived compared to Humans. According to this clip Spock was born on Star 💫 date 2230.06 and died on SD 2263.02 a difference of 32.96 Star dates ??
There must be a Galactic version of Zulu/GMT Space time zone that keeps track of the passage of time relative to some reference point such as Earth 🌎. Your thoughts 💭 🤔?
Do a list of space borne creatures
Honestly I'm fine with Spock dying off screen. We've already seen him die in the wrath of Kahn. And I know Leonard nemoi passed away is also the reason why but still.
And its not the worst thing to be able to imagine someone passing away in their sleep, surrounded by friends/family (even if, in Spock's case, it's a little odd- I mean, he'd likely be taken into Sarek's household on New Vulcan... which does present some interesting questions/situations)
@@Sephiroth144 - Who'd want their friends and family watch them die? how selfish to leave people with such a sad memory.
@@JohnnyWednesday Congratulations on your acceptance to the Jedi Academy- otherwise, your lack of attachment to family and friends makes no sense.
@@Sephiroth144 - I love my family and friends which is exactly why I'll die alone so they don't have to watch it.
@@JohnnyWednesday Which implies you also won't be there for your friends and family at the end
Tasha Yar (alternate) would have been a solid addition.
I always thought it was kinda crazy that Cal Hudson had such an important posting for a lieutenant commander.
one of the first characters i thought of was Sito Jaxa
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Potentially Prime Lorca could appear in SNW
Thank you, they are in the same time period even. Why does it have to be on Discovery or Section 31?
Are Doctor Spock's boot's made from vulcanized rubber?
No, they're made of books on baby care. 😅
Weyoun was a clone...does he really count as far as cheating death?
Marla also got a sort of death scene in the trilogy of novels "The rise and fall of Khan Noonien Singh" (I and II) and "To Reign in Hell", all by Greg Cox.... OK, it's mainly the latter, but it's a good filler for both the Eugenics War (in the 1990s as originally told) and the gap on CETI ALPHA FIVE! between Space Seed and The Wrath of KHAAAAAAN! (Puns very much intended!)
I think Amanda Grayson (the TOS one) died off screen and mentioned in TNG.....
Yes, because Sarek was married to Perrin in TNG. He was married twice that we know of and Spock confirmed in SNW that Sybok's birth was "out of wedlock".
I've seen Duncan Rillak in ads more than we've seen Pres Rillak this season 😮😅
Weyoun 5 was killed by Damar in an transporter "accident".
What about Chakotay?
BTW Prime Lorca was in STO and the Drastic Measures Novel....And he is a surprisingly good captain.
It would have been cool if we had actually got Prime Lorca as captain.
Zhaban was a pointless "death" since they rather ignored Laris herself for s2 and forgot about her in s3. And s1 had brother-sister incest implied to be not uncommon is Romulan society, so Zhaban was killed just for the audience (not actual *fans*) who didn't want to think about Picard being in an MFM throuple.
Awesomeness. I think that if we (I) had seen another "Weyoun" in what ever form we would have gone nuts....I was kida tired of always seeing Weyoun there, backgound in front of or behind always there. I was so happy when Garik shot him , the female shapeshifter said "He was the last" I yelled Yes......
No Trip? :)
Knowing the Mirror Universe as well as we do by now, I definitely think it's most likely that Lorca killed his Prime counterpart and replaced him once he realized he had gotten stuck there. It still begs the question of what Prime Lorca must have been like and how similar they were to each other, since Mirror was apparantly able to play him convincingly for quite some time.
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Hello fellow Canuck 🤘😎🖖
Uh, technically the consciousness of Sarek of Vulcan, the katra resides in picard and his son spock
FYI, they recorded this BEFORE they hit 300K subs.
So - Ro Laren’s still alive then?
Haha... no.
Was still alive. She returned in season 3 of Star Picard. Only to be killed in the same episode, she returned in. She died at the end to give Picard, Riker, and the crew of the U.S.S. Titan to get away from Changeling infiltraters that were on the Starfleet ship that brought her to them earlier in the episode.
Picard was angry at first when seeing her again due to her joining the Maquis back in the Next Generation, but after talking to her and that she also knew Changeling had infiltrated Starfleet and she didn'twant to use the transporters but used a shuttle to get on the Titan, he became less angry with her and was willing to work with her again. Only to be sad when she sacrificed herself by crashing her shuttle into the other ship when her escorts turned out to be Changeling, who planted an explosive device on her shuttle before they beamed back to the Titan to try and capture Jack Crusher. Picard and Beverly Crusher' son.
In the next episode, Picard and Riker are contacted by Worf due to a hidden comunicater in Ro's Bajoran earing that she handed to Picard before her death. She was working with Worf to find out who was planning an attack on the Federation.
Anyone notice that Spock life span is from 2230.6 - 2263.2???? He would have been just under 33 years old. Production should have noticed and made the date of birth 2030 at least he would have the average Vulcan lifespan
In the Prime universe, he was born in 2230, and reported killed in 2387. He re-appeared in 2258 in the Kelvin universe, and died in 2263.
Jadzia Dax is the most ridiculous one for me. And the replacement character is my least favourite Star Trek character in the whole franchise.
Thank you. Someone who actually feels the same way I do. I keep seeing all these people who are praising Ezri but in general I just found her to be a ditzy bimbo and not worthy of the Dax Symbian. By far her best episode was the one where she worked with Juran to Track down the Vulcan murderer
Although the video does say characters who died off screen and she died on screen
@@amandamatheny3675 Yes technically you see the final blow but even in that scene it doesn’t give off the feeling that she’s dead. It isn’t until you hear she died in transport that her death is confirmed and they had to transfer the Dax symbiote to a ditzy woman who they try and force her into everything in season 7! She’s the worst.
Good to know.
8:46-9:01...Was this Governor Kodos...or Thanos😂
Disappointed not to see Sito (spelling?) on this list.
Spock didn't die. He went home
Did Sean just do a ninja turtle.
If we assume Mirror Sisko was the Emissary in his universe as well, it’s possible the Prophets could have saved him
But they didn't really know about the wormhole in the Savage Universe. It only opened when Bashir and Kira arrived and then escaped. It's likely that the evil Kira and Bariel were looking to steal the orb from the Prime Universe in "Resurrection" in hopes of getting the Celestial Temple open on their side.
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My question is what about Weyoun 1 2 and 3 lol
The entire bridge crew of the ToS Enterprise except Kirk.
Sulu and Chekhov actors are still alive, too.
@@tlouiseallen9302the Shat-man: "Hey! I'm still here!"
The Dominion most likely had multiple internment camps, so the ambassador could've been kept at a different camp.
Her name is Marla McGivers (mic guy verse)
The absence of background music is tripping me up.
I’d have included enterprise c Tasha tar on the list.
I hope that Prime Lorca does reappear.
I'm still so, SO angry about Zhaban. I can understand that the actor had a better offer with Wednesday and good for him, I liked him there, too. But ... one doesn't have to kill of a character just because the actor can't be there for f's sake! And sorry, but Laris/Picard not only had no chemistry, they also completely underused her. (Only to, let's be honest, make Picard run back to Beverly, bc Laris was moving to a different planet in the beginning of S3 and clearly, Picard didn't go with her.) They should've kept the possibility open to them to one day make a Laris/Zhaban comedy-ish thing, bc those two were GOLD together.
Strange New Worlds could also deal with Lorca. And I hope they do, I'd like to see how Prime!Lorca is in comparison. /2
I mean, at least Hoshi then got ... 110 or so years old? Sad that she died this way, and may Kodos rot in whatever fictional bad afterlife Trek might have, but ... She at least lived a long life.
I'm kinda glad they didn't kill Spock on-screen again. I don't think I could've gone through that another time. Still to this day I try not to watch Wrath of Khan at all. (Well, I also think the movie sucks and just didn't fit with the former characterisation of Khan that I actually enjoyed. But I know that's an unpopular opinion and I'm good with being pretty much alone in this.)
Anyway, losing Spock a second time on-screen would've been just a bit too hard. 4/4
Zhaban didn't have to die because it doesn't change the story of Picard and Laris. Even if he were in the castle
L. Nimoy was great in Fringe.
so sato was killed by startreks version of thanos ?
I had no issues with Capt. Gabriel Lorca. Mirror Universe counterpart or not, he was the sort of CO a Federation at war would need. Fans resent Capt. Jellico, but he, like Jim Kirk or even Lorca, Understood and Appreciated the need for Starfleet to have and retain a Military role, as proved during the Dominion War. Something those who naively think that diplomacy solves Everything would never appreciate, though in real life, such an attitude proved nearly fatal (ie: Brit Prime Minister Chamberlain naively thinking the Nazis can be reasoned with, and yakking on about 'Peace, peace in our time).'
Spock was still alive in the 2370s wasn't he?
He was, but this Spock went back in time in the JJ Abrams movie and stayed in that time line. Which is why he dies in a paradoxal number.
Yes; in the Prime Timeline- but when he was universe hopped in 2387 while trying to stop the Hobus Event/Romulan Supernova, he went back to the TOS era in the Kelvin universe.
I'd never read Hoshi's death details. The idea that it was Kodos . . . well, at least he paid for it. By my rough estimates, Hoshi would have been in her 90s when it happened.
In one of the Discovery novels, the Shenzhou and the Buran responded to the distress calls from Tarsus IV, and Prime Lorca hunted Kodos down to his hideout and apprehended him, though he was livid when Kodos was allowed to go into hiding under a new name. It was a good novel.
And yeah, I always shed a tear for Sarek. Such a foundational character in Trek lore. And James Frain was a much better Sarek than Ben Cross.
When Spock was acknowledged in Discovery's "Unifcation III", I couldn't keep a big smile and a tear off my face.
B4 is revealed to have not accepted the memory transfer from Data, which shut him down. In a way that means Data died twice, then Picard pulled the plug on him, and then he returned as a new Data…and Lore, and B4 and Dr. Soong’s son.
PORTHOS! He dies 😢 in a transporter accident carried out by Scotty -Simon Pegg, according to the 2009 movie.
Weyoun 5 is in sector 31!!!!
McGEYEvers not McGivers
I just realized: Kodos is an early version of Thanos! Both mad men sought to remove half a population to conserve resources.
I really liked Lorca! Lost interest in Disco after he was gone
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Ummmmmm….SITO JAXA?
RIP 🖖😔🖖🍁
So sad Spock was only in his 30s when he passed. He did NOT age well.
I love your content, but right after Spock, do that sponsor stuff in the beginning. Very bad taste. I know money and all but damn.
Lieutenant Ma-guy-vers 😉
2# waynne continues in star trek online, go beyond the tv show
I got to stop watching halfway through too many spoilers I haven't caught up on some of the series yet
Pour one out for William Boimler. 🫗
I didn't really like picard series he was old and they should have left him dead like kirk
I do not like your advertising …. Really, please stop it this way.
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DISCOVERY was shite....