"Thorgal" is a very good serie, a wonderful saga for the europeans peoples since the 80's. We can make a super movies saga with it (sorry for my bad english write).
I only wish Blueberry would be reprinted over here in the states. English translations are so hard to come by. Got Blacksaad a few years back and I was blown away! Thanks for the great videos!
great video! nice that you included crepax, bilal & valerian (mezieres). These manara / pratt books look tempting; tryin' to find them in second hand condition... _Le grand pouvoir du Chninkel_ is one of my favorite comics ever. It has been translated into german: "_Die große Macht des kleinen Schninkel_" -- later on I discovered the Thorgal work of Rosinski. I have been following your videos for quite a while but haven't commented yet (well, since now...). Keep goin'!
Krouch, I'm glad to have you watching. Rosinski surely is a great artist, and the tale of the poor Chninkel is so imaginative, funny and dramatic. It's one of the very few comics my wife ever read, and if I'm unlucky for some reason I often just say to her "I'm Chninkel". Cheers!
Look what I found...! G, it’s been too long since I’ve seen and heard you on camera. These are some incredible recommendations...I’m happy to know that I actually knew a chunk of these. It also reminds me that I need to find more Bouncer. I have the first album (which I loved) but nothing else. Think I might spend the rest of the night digging through your videos.
A second time around was even better. Glad Valerian made the list. In the mail today El Gaucho arrived. The beginning reminded me of the film Little Big Man (I haven't read the novel it's based on). I didn't realize it would have such a sad conclusion. I agree that it would be a good place to begin with Manara. I'm glad you recommended it.
Thank you, GV. I took the chance to include on this new video some series or authors refered on comments to the deleted one, but I probably should have taken some more time on each... I always felt Manara shines brighter if submitted to some dominance ^^. Pratt is very good at the whip, and Jodorowski's not bad. Nevertheless, the solo "Golden Ass" (I just recently discovered the title's english translation at a book store, which called my attention as I was expecting something closer to the original "La Metamorphose de Lucius") shows Manara's art at its best, imo. About El Gaucho's conclusion: Pratt always seemed very interested and sucessful on showing how violent, unfair and ruthlessly motivated the common man's judgement may be, although often socially accepted or tolerated (I find it a common lingering subject in Corto Maltese too). Maybe that's the most interesting mark on his writting from my perspective, although point of views are always prone to change at every re-read.
Good evening, Gus. The violent, unfair, and ruthlessness weren't limited to the common man in the story, the officers and the upper class had a callous disregard for their fellow man and woman, treating them like animals, or worse. I think it mirrors human history, which is why I enjoyed the story, especially Pratt's writing. Did Pratt plan to continue the drummer boy's story in subsequent "El Gaucho" stories? I'm going to have to invest in the Corto Martese series (and The Golden Ass). I'm glad you mentioned Bilal. I discovered him in Heavy Metal Magazine. When a film was made, I was surprised. It wasn't bad, but comics, like I think Sleepyreader has said, rarely translate well to the screen.
When I wrote "common man" it was in oposition to super beings, or cosmic villains and such (eheh)... should have simply said men. I don't know anything about plans for a El Gaucho spinn off. As for Corto Maltese, if you can by any chance find b&w editions take those. Couldn't agree more about films based on comics.
Boas, mind the comics. Tenho algumas em inglês, mas a grande maioria de Franco-Belgas tenho adquirido em espanhol. Para quem não tenha muita dificuldade de ler em castelhano, também é uma boa dica,... e diga-se de passagem que as edições espanholas são bem bonitas e encontra-se , na sua grande maioria, em integral,... o que, pessoalmente, me agrada bastante.
I agree Franquin and Uderzo, as Jacobs, Morris, Martin and others were all great, but in the first minute of the video I briefly explain why I did not include them on the list. Thanks for leaving your comment.
Comecei a colecionar HQs a pouco tempo e pelo que você mostrou saiu muita coisa boa em português! Uma pena que boa parte dessas coisas ou nunca saiu aqui no Brasil ou está fora de catálogo há muito tempo. Esse vídeo vai me ajudar como uma base para continuar a montar minha coleção.
I started collecting comics a short time ago and from what you showed, a lot of good things came out in Portuguese! regrettably many of the things you showed have never left here in Brazil or are out of print for a long time. This video will help me as a basis for continuing to build my collection
Quase todas as edições da "Meribérica" foram também lançadas no Brasil, acredito que algumas ainda se encontrarão em sebos. Além disso, o Brasil está a viver um momento com muitas editoras lançando excelentes HQ's (muito mais do que em Portugal). Recomendo vivamente que siga o canal da Pipoca&Nanquim. Obrigado pelo seu comentário.
@@mindthecomics comecei minha coleção pelas coisas do pipoca, editora figura vem fazendo um ótimo trabalho de resgatando mestres como toppi, dino Bataglia, Alberto breccia, a editora comixzone tbm vem trazendo títulos interessantes, inclusive lançaram Boucq com o título boca do diabo, com relação a sebos moro em uma cidade pequena então é difícil encontrar edições antigas, mas gosto de acreditar que todos esses mestres da nona arte ainda serão publicados ou republicados aqui!
Great video. I know that people worship Moebius/Giraud, and rightly so but for me I prefer the less "flashy" yet no less brilliant cartooning of Tardi. Also nice seeing Torpedo in your list! Do you like any of the French "alternative"/art/underground bande dessinee like the L'Association artists, David B, Killoffer, J.C Menu etc?
Thank you! I like Tardi vey much, just recently got his "Griffu" which was delighteful. I know David B and Killofer, but not really my cup of tea. I'm not even into Sfar, Zep and such. Cheers.
Oh, Griffu, I'll keep an eye out for that, thank you. I got into Tardi through old Fantagraphics anthologies and now they put out really gorgeous hardcover translations of his work so I've amassed most of his major comics in English, now. You Are There, his comic written by Jean-Claude Forest is probably my favourite although I enjoy Like A Sniper Lining Up His Shot and his WWI comics very much also. David B. is one of my favourite cartoonists of all time, I just think he's incredible, I have everything that's been translated to English and a couple original French volumes, I find his work fascinating and utterly beautiful. And 676 Apparitions of Killoffer is worth a look for anyone into comic art; along with Toth, Jaime Hernandez, Eisner and maybe Mike Mignola Killoffer is a master at using areas of black in his page compositions, he has an almost unparalleled sense of design....I quite like Sfar but know him mostly from the Donjon series (which I love!) and Rabbi's Cat. I've been trying to find more "Films Directed By French Cartoonists" recently, lmao...I take it you enjoy more "illustrator-y", "realistic" types of art by-and-large, then? Would that be a fair comment? Not that there's anything wrong with that at all, I can appreciate most styles of drawing but I fall on the side of preferring a more "cartoony" approach nowadays. I wonder if you remember the Manara comic Trip To Tulum? It was serialised in the (fairly) old British anthology Crisis (from the 2000ad stable) but the comic was shelved before they could print all of Tulum! so I never saw the end! It blew my mind as a kid though, that "film within a comic" structure (Manara seems fond of cameras in his stories, no?) with Fellini and all that...Manara is a gorgeous draftsman but his subject matter is a bit samey for me and slightly ropey (that Spider-Woman cover everyone memed where it looks like she has a broken back, though!...damn!!! Lmao!) but I would *love* to own a nice copy of Trip To Tulum! Thank you for the reply!
I believe western's popularity is mostly due to the spagetthi western movies by Sergio Leone. According to wikipedia, between 1960 and 1978 there were over 600 western movies produced in europe! Italian comics (fumetti) main genre still is the western, the main hero "Tex" featuring in 3 monthly titles (or two, one may be a not so regular special edition, i believe) and another title, "Zagor", focusing more on the indians.
Like I said on the video that god deleted, I'm not a big fan of "Airtight Garage". The story is very loose, no central plotting, and appears to be made under the influence of psychedelics. I do love "The Incal", though, as well as "Metabarons". Besides "Torpedo" (available from IDW) and "The Mercenary" (which is really beautiful indeed), other Spanish series I recommend are "Dieter Lumpen" (published last year by IDW as a soft cover omnibus) and "Frank Cappa". Both are somewhat influenced by Hugo Pratt's "Corto Maltese". In fact, Dieter Lumpen's artist, Ruben Pellejero, is the artist for the Corto Maltese revival.
Hi Spike! Yeah, we're few but we're all passionate. I was just at the comics festival in Beja (I have some interviews on my channel). Tony Sandoval's publisher launched a new (actually, old) Sandoval book, and will have a new one ready for later in the year. We had some Italians artists from Disney here as well.
I like most European comics (when they're translated into English, that's it).... but somehow I don't like Jodorowsky works at all... I guess I don't like the gratuitous violence.
What Jodorowsky's have you read? I can see the Metabarons being a bit on the bloody side, although not more than most american comics, but the Borgia series, the White Lama, or even the Incal, are not what I would call violent. Even when there's violence, it's usually not just for the sake of it, like in the western genre's Bouncer.
I read only two --- "Son of the Gun" and "Bouncer"; not Incal, Metabarons and the others....maybe that's why I don't like his work that much. I also read the Borgias series... and I like them; but I read on the internet that he's 'just' a contributor, so, this does not count, in my opinion...hehe.
I never read Son of the Gun. I have always been under the conviction the Borgia series was written by Jodo... can be wrong though. Get the "White Lama" if you have the chance. Cheers.
Great video. I'm always surprised that major European comics are set in various "historical" eras in the US... I think of all of these the one you're most likely to stumble across in American comic shops is Blacksaad. The other main thing that's most common is Jodorowsky books, Metabarrons and some others seem to show up a lot at shops with deep collections.
Thank you, Damian. It's still the magical appeal of the "new world", I guess. Just a few days ago I was looking at the Humanoids catalogue (after watching your latest vid) and they indeed have almost all Jodorowski gn's available. The Metabarons is well worth the investment, but the following spin-offs are not so good. Blacksad is gorgeous and well written, although waiting 1 or 2 years for a new 48 page album is a bit boring. Still, it's the currently most sucessfull series in the decaying european market.
I can't tell you how sad I am to hear the European market has decayed. To US comics aficionados it always been supposed to be some far off golden El Dorado where creators have total freedom and make lots of money and have cultural respect.
Western comics' popularity never waned in Europe. Italy has a gazillion monthly series, included three different Tex comics, plus Zagor. Most French cop series and political thrillers are also set in the US. I'm talking stuff like "I.R.S.", or "XIII", which was published in the USA in regular comic format, and "Largo Winch" (of which there's a Canadian TV series).
It's easy enough to find articles about it if you google search. You'll see the ship similar to the Millenium Falcon, Princess Leia's bikini, Han Solo's carbonite scene, etc...
"Thorgal" is a very good serie, a wonderful saga for the europeans peoples since the 80's. We can make a super movies saga with it (sorry for my bad english write).
Yes, Thorgal could make a great series on TV or cinema. Thank you for commenting.
I only wish Blueberry would be reprinted over here in the states. English translations are so hard to come by. Got Blacksaad a few years back and I was blown away! Thanks for the great videos!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was very informative!
Nice video, one of the rare ones on TH-cam about European comics. What a shame
This is great I've been a comic fan since I was a teen but never knew much about eurocomix
Thank you!
Excellent starting point for Bande Dessinee! Bravo!
great video! nice that you included crepax, bilal & valerian (mezieres). These manara / pratt books look tempting; tryin' to find them in second hand condition...
_Le grand pouvoir du Chninkel_ is one of my favorite comics ever. It has been translated into german: "_Die große Macht des kleinen Schninkel_" -- later on I discovered the Thorgal work of Rosinski. I have been following your videos for quite a while but haven't commented yet (well, since now...). Keep goin'!
Krouch, I'm glad to have you watching. Rosinski surely is a great artist, and the tale of the poor Chninkel is so imaginative, funny and dramatic. It's one of the very few comics my wife ever read, and if I'm unlucky for some reason I often just say to her "I'm Chninkel".
Cheers!
Look what I found...! G, it’s been too long since I’ve seen and heard you on camera. These are some incredible recommendations...I’m happy to know that I actually knew a chunk of these. It also reminds me that I need to find more Bouncer. I have the first album (which I loved) but nothing else. Think I might spend the rest of the night digging through your videos.
You're indeed becoming quite versed on classic bande dessinée. I do owe a video or two...
A second time around was even better.
Glad Valerian made the list.
In the mail today El Gaucho arrived.
The beginning reminded me of the film Little Big Man (I haven't read the novel it's based on).
I didn't realize it would have such a sad conclusion.
I agree that it would be a good place to begin with Manara. I'm glad you recommended it.
Thank you, GV. I took the chance to include on this new video some series or authors refered on comments to the deleted one, but I probably should have taken some more time on each...
I always felt Manara shines brighter if submitted to some dominance ^^. Pratt is very good at the whip, and Jodorowski's not bad. Nevertheless, the solo "Golden Ass" (I just recently discovered the title's english translation at a book store, which called my attention as I was expecting something closer to the original "La Metamorphose de Lucius") shows Manara's art at its best, imo.
About El Gaucho's conclusion: Pratt always seemed very interested and sucessful on showing how violent, unfair and ruthlessly motivated the common man's judgement may be, although often socially accepted or tolerated (I find it a common lingering subject in Corto Maltese too). Maybe that's the most interesting mark on his writting from my perspective, although point of views are always prone to change at every re-read.
Good evening, Gus.
The violent, unfair, and ruthlessness weren't limited to the common man in the story, the officers and the upper class had a callous disregard for their fellow man and woman, treating them like animals, or worse. I think it mirrors human history, which is why I enjoyed the story, especially Pratt's writing. Did Pratt plan to continue the drummer boy's story in subsequent "El Gaucho" stories?
I'm going to have to invest in the Corto Martese series (and The Golden Ass).
I'm glad you mentioned Bilal. I discovered him in Heavy Metal Magazine.
When a film was made, I was surprised. It wasn't bad, but comics, like I think Sleepyreader has said, rarely translate well to the screen.
When I wrote "common man" it was in oposition to super beings, or cosmic villains and such (eheh)... should have simply said men.
I don't know anything about plans for a El Gaucho spinn off. As for Corto Maltese, if you can by any chance find b&w editions take those.
Couldn't agree more about films based on comics.
THank you for the video and information
Universal War One is an absolute masterpiece that isnt mentionned enough!!
Boas, mind the comics. Tenho algumas em inglês, mas a grande maioria de Franco-Belgas tenho adquirido em espanhol. Para quem não tenha muita dificuldade de ler em castelhano, também é uma boa dica,... e diga-se de passagem que as edições espanholas são bem bonitas e encontra-se , na sua grande maioria, em integral,... o que, pessoalmente, me agrada bastante.
I've always thought that Nikopol looks remarkabley like the German actor,Bruno Ganz.
Franquin and Uderzo need to be on this list. Both "Gaston" and "Asterix" are some of the best comics ever put to paper.
I agree Franquin and Uderzo, as Jacobs, Morris, Martin and others were all great, but in the first minute of the video I briefly explain why I did not include them on the list.
Thanks for leaving your comment.
Great video, thanks
Comecei a colecionar HQs a pouco tempo e pelo que você mostrou saiu muita coisa boa em português! Uma pena que boa parte dessas coisas ou nunca saiu aqui no Brasil ou está fora de catálogo há muito tempo. Esse vídeo vai me ajudar como uma base para continuar a montar minha coleção.
I started collecting comics a short time ago and from what you showed, a lot of good things came out in Portuguese! regrettably many of the things you showed have never left here in Brazil or are out of print for a long time. This video will help me as a basis for continuing to build my collection
Quase todas as edições da "Meribérica" foram também lançadas no Brasil, acredito que algumas ainda se encontrarão em sebos. Além disso, o Brasil está a viver um momento com muitas editoras lançando excelentes HQ's (muito mais do que em Portugal). Recomendo vivamente que siga o canal da Pipoca&Nanquim.
Obrigado pelo seu comentário.
@@mindthecomics comecei minha coleção pelas coisas do pipoca, editora figura vem fazendo um ótimo trabalho de resgatando mestres como toppi, dino Bataglia, Alberto breccia, a editora comixzone tbm vem trazendo títulos interessantes, inclusive lançaram Boucq com o título boca do diabo, com relação a sebos moro em uma cidade pequena então é difícil encontrar edições antigas, mas gosto de acreditar que todos esses mestres da nona arte ainda serão publicados ou republicados aqui!
Great video. I know that people worship Moebius/Giraud, and rightly so but for me I prefer the less "flashy" yet no less brilliant cartooning of Tardi. Also nice seeing Torpedo in your list! Do you like any of the French "alternative"/art/underground bande dessinee like the L'Association artists, David B, Killoffer, J.C Menu etc?
Thank you! I like Tardi vey much, just recently got his "Griffu" which was delighteful. I know David B and Killofer, but not really my cup of tea. I'm not even into Sfar, Zep and such. Cheers.
Oh, Griffu, I'll keep an eye out for that, thank you. I got into Tardi through old Fantagraphics anthologies and now they put out really gorgeous hardcover translations of his work so I've amassed most of his major comics in English, now. You Are There, his comic written by Jean-Claude Forest is probably my favourite although I enjoy Like A Sniper Lining Up His Shot and his WWI comics very much also. David B. is one of my favourite cartoonists of all time, I just think he's incredible, I have everything that's been translated to English and a couple original French volumes, I find his work fascinating and utterly beautiful. And 676 Apparitions of Killoffer is worth a look for anyone into comic art; along with Toth, Jaime Hernandez, Eisner and maybe Mike Mignola Killoffer is a master at using areas of black in his page compositions, he has an almost unparalleled sense of design....I quite like Sfar but know him mostly from the Donjon series (which I love!) and Rabbi's Cat. I've been trying to find more "Films Directed By French Cartoonists" recently, lmao...I take it you enjoy more "illustrator-y", "realistic" types of art by-and-large, then? Would that be a fair comment? Not that there's anything wrong with that at all, I can appreciate most styles of drawing but I fall on the side of preferring a more "cartoony" approach nowadays.
I wonder if you remember the Manara comic Trip To Tulum? It was serialised in the (fairly) old British anthology Crisis (from the 2000ad stable) but the comic was shelved before they could print all of Tulum! so I never saw the end! It blew my mind as a kid though, that "film within a comic" structure (Manara seems fond of cameras in his stories, no?) with Fellini and all that...Manara is a gorgeous draftsman but his subject matter is a bit samey for me and slightly ropey (that Spider-Woman cover everyone memed where it looks like she has a broken back, though!...damn!!! Lmao!) but I would *love* to own a nice copy of Trip To Tulum! Thank you for the reply!
Editions of Portugal? Brazil?
Tudo edições de Portugal, algumas também vendidas no Brasil pela Meribérica, durante os anos 90.
Lament of the lost moors by rozinksi is good as thorgal
Blueberry
Coro maltese is done and collected in English but black and white
Mercenary has been translated into English by nbm publishing
thank you!
I wonder why the western is so popular? I don't think it was even that popular in the US other than very early when comics costed 10 cents.
I believe western's popularity is mostly due to the spagetthi western movies by Sergio Leone. According to wikipedia, between 1960 and 1978 there were over 600 western movies produced in europe!
Italian comics (fumetti) main genre still is the western, the main hero "Tex" featuring in 3 monthly titles (or two, one may be a not so regular special edition, i believe) and another title, "Zagor", focusing more on the indians.
That is a lot of knowledge I would have never come across on my own, thank you.
Same hahaha, i thought the popular genre in europena comics is sci-fi, i was wrong. Maybe i read too much sci fi BD comics 🤣
Like I said on the video that god deleted, I'm not a big fan of "Airtight Garage". The story is very loose, no central plotting, and appears to be made under the influence of psychedelics. I do love "The Incal", though, as well as "Metabarons".
Besides "Torpedo" (available from IDW) and "The Mercenary" (which is really beautiful indeed), other Spanish series I recommend are "Dieter Lumpen" (published last year by IDW as a soft cover omnibus) and "Frank Cappa". Both are somewhat influenced by Hugo Pratt's "Corto Maltese". In fact, Dieter Lumpen's artist, Ruben Pellejero, is the artist for the Corto Maltese revival.
Have you read Pellejero's Corto? I'm looking forward to it actually.
Not yet. Saw the previews. Pellejero copies the style, but keeps his page construction. Which is what I like about him.
I had no clue Portugal had such a strong comic book fandom! Glad to find it does!
Yeah, glad to have you watching Spike.
Hi Spike! Yeah, we're few but we're all passionate. I was just at the comics festival in Beja (I have some interviews on my channel). Tony Sandoval's publisher launched a new (actually, old) Sandoval book, and will have a new one ready for later in the year. We had some Italians artists from Disney here as well.
Speaking of european comics, Are you european too? You sound like european no offense.
I'm portuguese.
I like most European comics (when they're translated into English, that's it).... but somehow I don't like Jodorowsky works at all... I guess I don't like the gratuitous violence.
What Jodorowsky's have you read? I can see the Metabarons being a bit on the bloody side, although not more than most american comics, but the Borgia series, the White Lama, or even the Incal, are not what I would call violent. Even when there's violence, it's usually not just for the sake of it, like in the western genre's Bouncer.
I read only two --- "Son of the Gun" and "Bouncer"; not Incal, Metabarons and the others....maybe that's why I don't like his work that much. I also read the Borgias series... and I like them; but I read on the internet that he's 'just' a contributor, so, this does not count, in my opinion...hehe.
I never read Son of the Gun.
I have always been under the conviction the Borgia series was written by Jodo... can be wrong though. Get the "White Lama" if you have the chance.
Cheers.
Great video. I'm always surprised that major European comics are set in various "historical" eras in the US...
I think of all of these the one you're most likely to stumble across in American comic shops is Blacksaad. The other main thing that's most common is Jodorowsky books, Metabarrons and some others seem to show up a lot at shops with deep collections.
Thank you, Damian. It's still the magical appeal of the "new world", I guess.
Just a few days ago I was looking at the Humanoids catalogue (after watching your latest vid) and they indeed have almost all Jodorowski gn's available. The Metabarons is well worth the investment, but the following spin-offs are not so good.
Blacksad is gorgeous and well written, although waiting 1 or 2 years for a new 48 page album is a bit boring. Still, it's the currently most sucessfull series in the decaying european market.
I can't tell you how sad I am to hear the European market has decayed. To US comics aficionados it always been supposed to be some far off golden El Dorado where creators have total freedom and make lots of money and have cultural respect.
Western comics' popularity never waned in Europe. Italy has a gazillion monthly series, included three different Tex comics, plus Zagor.
Most French cop series and political thrillers are also set in the US. I'm talking stuff like "I.R.S.", or "XIII", which was published in the USA in regular comic format, and "Largo Winch" (of which there's a Canadian TV series).
I find that very weird. I suppose it's a side effect of Hollywood's popularity.
What is the evidence that Valerian is influential on George Lucas?
It's easy enough to find articles about it if you google search. You'll see the ship similar to the Millenium Falcon, Princess Leia's bikini, Han Solo's carbonite scene, etc...
Sillage/WAKE.
Aldabaraan.