Hey Guys! I just uploaded a new lesson where I explain how Charlie Banacos would teach his student how to develop and command and mastery of rhythm and feel! Enjoy- Joe
It was Jeff Berlin's arguments for not using a metronome to help with timing that convinced me about this, not that I needed much convincing. It's great to hear that you Joe, a true teacher, shares similar views and provides good explanations and suggestions of what to do instead . . . and gadzooks this is difficult! . . . Thank you. and if I may, thank s to Jeff too.
Ugh, I remember frustration when tackling this lesson in your Bassment course... I took a while, but as you said, it feels great keeping some things in control afterwards, plus it immediately enabled me to come up with great sounding fills withing lines I play in a band. Polyrhytmic approach in conjunction with melodic filter yields awesome results!
Best lesson on rythm internalisation. I've practiced this stuff since the last 3 years and l'm not the same player l was before, it literally transformed my perception of rythm.
Great video and advise! As a guitarist I starting counting when practicing after seeing drummer Joel Rosenblatt demonstrate the same practice technique many years ago. The best way to develop the internal clock. .
This is a GREAT exercise JH! I can imagine combining this with extended arpeggios too would make it into a whole other challenge too. Charlie was a genius no doubt!
Hi Joe, I was fascinated by what you said about bass players playing to the drummer. That is me! So what can a bass player do when a drummer has bad time? I wish you could do a video on this topic.
If you understand where the pulse is, then your inner feeling will be unshakeable and you will be able to pull the guy along with you. These exercises are the key to that development.
I am in Joe's Basement course where he dives into this in poly rhythms course 1-6...it did and still is kicking my ass but I can actually do it! So if you are really wanting this I suggest taking the basement course as well...its intense but really fun and challenging.
I just wrote a hemiola (sic?) 4 bar A-7 16th line 3 days ago. I was able to do this because of learning from you & extrapolating...:-)) It's such a cool line, all chord tones sequenced against a different length rhythmic sequence, 3 against 4 etc...;-)) I've also written out lines over changes... I do count out loud & I do count different feels, triplet/16ths/8ths/dotted quarters etc etc. This video is so well timed for me, cheers!!! I've saved the Banacos video to watch later. Best wishes! [edit] counting that C-7 line in 16ths...correct lh hand shift essential to execute whilst counting. Until gotten it's much more difficult than an 8th/triplet feel...;-))
Hey, great video! I get the importance, and difficulty, of counting out beats while doing these exercises. Do you know how Charlie applied them to horn players? Or do you have a suggestion on how to do it? Thanks!
Wow ! that's interesting lesson for introduce the idea. But difficult to try with just the simple idea , we will need the kind of " lesson for dummies type " with a step by step explanation on how to practice at least one example that can be repeted to understand the basic idea on how to develop this timing skill. We will love more videos about this interesting explanation.
I'm not sure I understand your question because I'm playing these exercises over a Cmin7. You said I ended on Gmin? Point out where this is in the video. The main point is to continue to count throughout the exercise.
Hi Joe, thank you for the lesson and passing on some of Charlie’s teachings! I made a quick video on my channel of an Etude you’ve sent me and counted out loud. Is this okay with you? Thank You Sir!
A bit late here... How would you suggest one approach this if one plays a wind instrument? Count in my head is the only thing that comes up. Or maybe practice on a 2nd instrument, piano for instance?
Yes, counting in your head is one option. There are many jazz sax players who also play drums. Three come to mind instantly- Bob Mintzer, Dave Liebman and Michael Brecker. But, you don't have to even take it that far- the great jazz educator Lennie Tristano, required his students to invest in a pair of drum sticks and a ride cymbal to learn rhythm groupings to then apply to their own instrument.
Hi Joe, just wanna ask: during the time that you were working on these rhythmic/counting concepts, did you write down the various permutations? Would it help someone absorb the ideas faster or otherwise? Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of music and bass playing with us!
Working on it, twisting my brain. I guess a lot of people, including myself, give up because we think it's a major setback and it takes to much time out of a practice session. I don't doubt the benefits of learning this, and I'll work on it. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this lesson and the explanation! Nowadays, saying "you don't always have to practice using a metronome" is kinda like saying "the Earth is spheroidal" at a flat-earthers conference . It's so dangerous!
So true! People love to hang on to museum relics. The dirty secret is most of the teachers on the internet who insist that the metronome is the only way to develop good time, can't do these counting drills to save their life!
Metronomes are good to check your time, but they don't actively help you. Sure, if you have some problems and wanna sharpen your preciseness over a steady beat, they help you spot your shortcomings in that area, but becoming a better time keeper is entirely up to you. As it happens with most things, come to think of it ;-)
You'd be able to fix that lack of percisness quicker by NOT using a metronome and following this methodology. You'll find after employing this approach locking with any metronomic device will be easy!
Metronomes doesn't help you to keep time, they keep the time for you! You can Feel when practicing without metronome that it's a better way to develop a timefeel, rather than relying on the clicks!
Hey Joe! Your signature bass looks great... except for the JHB on the headstock. 😕 No other signature instrument I can think of features the artist's initials, and for good reason IMO. It just doesn't look right. Although now that I think about it... If you could somehow get Warwick to part with their logo, replacing the W with JHB would be pretty slick... Sorry if that came out harsh! Let me emphasize something: The importance of this minor critique I have of your bass is NOTHING compared to my immense gratitude for your world-class TH-cam videos!!! The best in the TH-cam bass biz for sure!
Hey Guys! I just uploaded a new lesson where I explain how Charlie Banacos would teach his student how to develop and command and mastery of rhythm and feel! Enjoy- Joe
Joe Hubbard Bass Really awesome video and topic! Maybe a video on some instances where the metronome is useful for practice?
Disregard, found it thanks.
Real teacher that teaches real music here. Thank you so much
You're welcome- thanks for the kind words!
It was Jeff Berlin's arguments for not using a metronome to help with timing that convinced me about this, not that I needed much convincing. It's great to hear that you Joe, a true teacher, shares similar views and provides good explanations and suggestions of what to do instead . . . and gadzooks this is difficult! . . . Thank you. and if I may, thank s to Jeff too.
Thanks- glad it helped!
Ugh, I remember frustration when tackling this lesson in your Bassment course... I took a while, but as you said, it feels great keeping some things in control afterwards, plus it immediately enabled me to come up with great sounding fills withing lines I play in a band. Polyrhytmic approach in conjunction with melodic filter yields awesome results!
Great testimony! Thanks for sharing!
Joe you'r a magnific educator! 🎶👏 congratulations
The best lesson on youtube on time development and explanation about metronomes!
Thanks Asan!
Great exercise, I learned some of this same type of counting out loud at Berklee in the mid 70's and really push it, invaluable! Awesome Joe!
Yeah Eddie- invaluable!
Joe your great man such a credit to the bass world
Thanks so much Lou!
I appreciate your ideology-free teaching style! Thanks for the information.
Cheers Jim!
Best lesson on rythm internalisation. I've practiced this stuff since the last 3 years and l'm not the same player l was before, it literally transformed my perception of rythm.
Great testimony Sebastien! Thanks for your support!
Great video and advise! As a guitarist I starting counting when practicing after seeing drummer Joel Rosenblatt demonstrate the same practice technique many years ago. The best way to develop the internal clock. .
You're very smart to listen to Joel- he's an amazing drummer. All drummers know how to count! That's the way they roll.
This is a GREAT exercise JH! I can imagine combining this with extended arpeggios too would make it into a whole other challenge too. Charlie was a genius no doubt!
Many thanks RP!
Hi Joe, I was fascinated by what you said about bass players playing to the drummer. That is me! So what can a bass player do when a drummer has bad time? I wish you could do a video on this topic.
If you understand where the pulse is, then your inner feeling will be unshakeable and you will be able to pull the guy along with you. These exercises are the key to that development.
As always , great, thanks so much
You're welcome- thanks for the support Kevin!
I am in Joe's Basement course where he dives into this in poly rhythms course 1-6...it did and still is kicking my ass but I can actually do it! So if you are really wanting this I suggest taking the basement course as well...its intense but really fun and challenging.
Cheers Dude! www.joehubbardbassvideos.com/
I just wrote a hemiola (sic?) 4 bar A-7 16th line 3 days ago. I was able to do this because of learning from you & extrapolating...:-)) It's such a cool line, all chord tones sequenced against a different length rhythmic sequence, 3 against 4 etc...;-)) I've also written out lines over changes... I do count out loud & I do count different feels, triplet/16ths/8ths/dotted quarters etc etc. This video is so well timed for me, cheers!!! I've saved the Banacos video to watch later. Best wishes! [edit] counting that C-7 line in 16ths...correct lh hand shift essential to execute whilst counting. Until gotten it's much more difficult than an 8th/triplet feel...;-))
Great!
Hey, great video! I get the importance, and difficulty, of counting out beats while doing these exercises. Do you know how Charlie applied them to horn players? Or do you have a suggestion on how to do it? Thanks!
No, I don't.
Wow ! that's interesting lesson for introduce the idea.
But difficult to try with just the simple idea , we will need the kind of " lesson for dummies type " with a
step by step explanation on how to practice at least one example that can be repeted to understand the basic idea on how to develop this timing skill.
We will love more videos about this interesting explanation.
That's what you'll get in my Bass Foundation Course. www.joehubbardbass.com/bass-foundation-course-pre-enrolment-opt-in/
Hi Joe, coming late to the party. In this lesson, when you end on Gm is it the idea to return to Cm and keep counting?
I'm not sure I understand your question because I'm playing these exercises over a Cmin7. You said I ended on Gmin? Point out where this is in the video. The main point is to continue to count throughout the exercise.
@@JoeHubbardBass sorry, this is my misunderstanding. But you answered my question. Thanks.
@@ctodd122 Great!
Hi Joe, thank you for the lesson and passing on some of Charlie’s teachings! I made a quick video on my channel of an Etude you’ve sent me and counted out loud. Is this okay with you?
Thank You Sir!
Yes, absolutely. Well done Dude!
@@JoeHubbardBass 🤘Thank You Joe!
A bit late here... How would you suggest one approach this if one plays a wind instrument? Count in my head is the only thing that comes up. Or maybe practice on a 2nd instrument, piano for instance?
Yes, counting in your head is one option. There are many jazz sax players who also play drums. Three come to mind instantly- Bob Mintzer, Dave Liebman and Michael Brecker. But, you don't have to even take it that far- the great jazz educator Lennie Tristano, required his students to invest in a pair of drum sticks and a ride cymbal to learn rhythm groupings to then apply to their own instrument.
@@JoeHubbardBass Thank you! 🙏
Do horn players count in their heads to do the exercise?
Yes, they would have no choice.
Hi Joe, just wanna ask: during the time that you were working on these rhythmic/counting concepts, did you write down the various permutations? Would it help someone absorb the ideas faster or otherwise?
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of music and bass playing with us!
Yes, I did. I also wrote everything down in all the different positions. It helped me to memorize everything a lot faster.
I'm really struggling with this, triplets is fine but as soon as I try counting 8ths and 16ths I fail!
Slow it down and go through the struggle! That's what it takes.
Working on it, twisting my brain. I guess a lot of people, including myself, give up because we think it's a major setback and it takes to much time out of a practice session. I don't doubt the benefits of learning this, and I'll work on it. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this lesson and the explanation! Nowadays, saying "you don't always have to practice using a metronome" is kinda like saying "the Earth is spheroidal" at a flat-earthers conference . It's so dangerous!
So true! People love to hang on to museum relics. The dirty secret is most of the teachers on the internet who insist that the metronome is the only way to develop good time, can't do these counting drills to save their life!
Metronomes are good to check your time, but they don't actively help you. Sure, if you have some problems and wanna sharpen your preciseness over a steady beat, they help you spot your shortcomings in that area, but becoming a better time keeper is entirely up to you. As it happens with most things, come to think of it ;-)
You'd be able to fix that lack of percisness quicker by NOT using a metronome and following this methodology. You'll find after employing this approach locking with any metronomic device will be easy!
Metronomes doesn't help you to keep time, they keep the time for you! You can Feel when practicing without metronome that it's a better way to develop a timefeel, rather than relying on the clicks!
Great observation!
Hey Joe! Your signature bass looks great... except for the JHB on the headstock. 😕 No other signature instrument I can think of features the artist's initials, and for good reason IMO. It just doesn't look right. Although now that I think about it... If you could somehow get Warwick to part with their logo, replacing the W with JHB would be pretty slick...
Sorry if that came out harsh!
Let me emphasize something: The importance of this minor critique I have of your bass is NOTHING compared to my immense gratitude for your world-class TH-cam videos!!! The best in the TH-cam bass biz for sure!